From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #258 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, August 23 2001 Volume 04 : Number 258 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] A funny thing happened, various stuff and a rant! [MarkBu] Re: [idealcopy] records onto CD ["Frank Jürgen Wörner" ] Re: [idealcopy] Ari Up's Mum ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] records onto CD ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] last night i mostly listened to: ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["Jerry Butson" ] [idealcopy] swim tean 2 ["giluz" ] Re: [idealcopy] records onto CD ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] Re: [idealcopy] records onto CD [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [idealcopy] Hicks from Gaza [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] records onto CD [John Roberts ] Re: [idealcopy] records onto CD ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 05:49:50 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A funny thing happened, various stuff and a rant! Rick, << I feel kind of silly now, but I had been despairing about the lack of a Wire-related section in my favorite record store. Then I realized that they had been filed in the Punk/Indie section! I also found that Dome had their own section! Sheesh, I always assume they will be in the Wire section! Suffice to say, I picked up the copy of "Yclept" and noticed two copies of Dome 1/2. No 3/4, though, which I am currently hunting for!<< Two words. Alphabetical Order. You know it makes sense ;-) >> On a related note: there was a used copy of a green-colored album by "He Said Omala" called 'Matching Crosses'. Can anyone give me a thumbs up/down take on that album? It's kind of pricey and Wire-related solo works have been pretty uneven in my book! >> It's the remix album of Catch Supposes. Is "kind of pricey" more than $10? Secondhand copies are usually less than that - or failing that buy it from WMO. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:55:43 +0200 From: "Frank Jürgen Wörner" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] records onto CD ... a few further wishes ... Young Marble Giants The Deep Freeze Mice The Normil Hawaiians Eyeless in Gaza and most important: "Dootdoot" from Freur. FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 07:40:34 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ari Up's Mum >> Mileta got it wrong! >>>>>> Ari is wife of John Lydon >> >> Actually John married Ari Up's mum. > >=========================== > >No no no... it seems that Ari's mum married John Lydon's son wich, of course >he had with Ari... ;-) > >Bart hey, keep bill wyman out of this! dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 07:54:48 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] records onto CD >... a few further wishes ... > >Young Marble Giants alreday been done, though probably long out of print. (oddly enough, this cd got name-dropped last night on a wb show called gilmore girls [oh, the perils of having no job *&* no cable tv], along with kraftwerk, yoko ono & a couple of other acts i can't recall, as being among the new used-store finds by a music-geek girl [who would probably know wire ... are fictional characters allowed to subscribe to this list?] ... & then the next show, dead last, featured such songs as the ny dolls' trash & the heartbreakers' born to lose for an nyc-situated episode.) >The Deep Freeze Mice the 2 lp's i've got are certainly among my more, ah, offbeat finds at the store near my house. >The Normil Hawaiians >Eyeless in Gaza atmosheric, ambient stuff isn't my cup of tea ... did they ever do anything else along the lines of "the feeling's mutual"? great song. can't say the rest of kodak ghosts run amok, which was tacked onto the end of some commercial cassette (rust red september?), made an immediate impression on me, but perhaps it needs a more attentive listen. ("mutual" i first encountered on some comp a couple of decades ago, either heat from the street or hicks from the sticks, i believe, which must've been pretty good collections, as i recall they must be russians' where have i seen you before, i'm so hollow's you're without sound & esp. section 25's after image [much rawer than the post-ep factory releases while being better-realized, imho, than girls don't count] from one or both.) >and most important: "Dootdoot" from Freur. surprising that it hasn't been, if that is indeed the case, considering underworld's relative success. more record-company intransigence, presumably. dan >FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:14:32 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night i mostly listened to: new math -- they walk among you ep & gardens lp (sort of a less studiedly portentous [is that even a word? i'm awake waaaaaay too early] death in june ...) a bunch of mainstream '70s hits for a mix tape to appease my girlfriend (who was a child when this stuff came out) over my egregious sin of having insulted jackson browne the other night (talk about your sitting targets!) -- that selfsame wonderful st's running on empty, george harrison's crackerbox palace, hurricane smith's oh babe what would you say, the bells' stay awhile (i *said* it's for my girlfriend), sweet's ballroom blitz, kantner slick & frieberg's sketches of china, marshall tucker band's heard it in a love song, chicory tip's son of my father (not that it ever got near the charts over here), climax blues band's couldn't get it right &, of course, elp's lucky man & elo's turn to stone (think i'll give the october show's $35-plus tickets a miss, somehow). *sigh* sometimes my record collection frightens me to death. dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:21:07 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] records onto CD Frank, << Young Marble Giants<< This has certainly been out on CD as I have a copy, with all the singles added too. >> The Deep Freeze Mice The Normil Hawaiians Eyeless in Gaza and most important: "Dootdoot" from Freur. >> I think Karl Hyde is doing his best to suppress that one! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:22:07 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] PostEverything Don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, since I've been off-list in the last weeks, but the www.posteverything.com site is finally active. Check it out. cheers, giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:29:51 +0100 From: "Jerry Butson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... Even more bizarrely Big Cat got bought out by Richard Bransons's V2 label (the one that's been doing th Associates reissues) and Abbo now works at V2 New York doing A&R. Don't know who he's signed... j > > i didn' t know that !!?? about big cat records , i think . . - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 16/08/2001 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:29:45 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] swim tean 2 From same posteverything site, I found the following: swim team #2 swimpromo 23:55 17 Aug Just to let everyone know that swim team #2 has just been mastered and is in production. Release date is not until October/ November but we'll have copies for Posteverything customers in September. TRACK LISTING 1. SILO - Root 2. TOUCAEN ? Lecci on the Grande Jatte 3. HOST - In Suspension 4. BUMPY - Bumpy on the Beach 5. COLIN NEWMAN - Tsunami (edit) 6. SILO remixed by COLIN NEWMAN - Prime Movers (boss remix) 7. IMMERSION/ FLYING SAUCER ATTACK - Even Further 8. LOBE ? November (edit) 9. DICTAPHONE- esc. meetings 10. SYMPTOMS - Stale Air on a City Morning (edit) 11. MALKA SPIGEL ? Antimatter 12. BEATKITTEN - Bored? 13. COLIN NEWMAN - Time Will Allow 14. SILO - Prime Movers (edit) 15. BUMPY ? Blokey 16. IMMERSION - 2MStens 17. FREDERIK AMMITB?LL - Copy 18. SYMPTOMS ? Rose 19. IMMERSION - Outro Does anyone know anything about those tracks? Has any of them been released before? Is colin's Silo remix the one that was released as a 7" single a few months ago? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:25:50 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] records onto CD > Eyeless in Gaza Friend of mine is absolutely bigest fan of Eyeless In Gaza, he don' t ask for price when find something he haven' t already.. Many things from Gaza or Bates are on CD, but i think with limited edition series. Frank, was you familiar with work of german band Kowalski from mid-eighties or even earlier i guess... If i am not again wrong album name had something like Overboard or similar.. they use similar " equipment" like Einsturzende but mad pop music compared to Blixa & cohorts.. > FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:11:05 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... > Even more bizarrely Big Cat got bought out by Richard Bransons's V2 label > (the one that's been doing th Associates reissues) and Abbo now works at V2 > New York doing A&R. Don't know who he's signed... > j //// ha ha that's great. V2 sure could do with some decent bands. or any decent bands actually. maybe he could sneak that furyo lp out using some of the funds generated by those crappy stereophonics. wouldn't sound any less fashionable now than it might have done in 84. the operatic goth revival starts here! er , maybe not then. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:18:38 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] swim tean 2 > TRACK LISTING > > 1. SILO - Root > 2. TOUCAEN ? Lecci on the Grande Jatte > 3. HOST - In Suspension > 4. BUMPY - Bumpy on the Beach > 5. COLIN NEWMAN - Tsunami (edit) > 6. SILO remixed by COLIN NEWMAN - Prime Movers (boss remix) > 7. IMMERSION/ FLYING SAUCER ATTACK - Even Further > 8. LOBE ? November (edit) > 9. DICTAPHONE- esc. meetings > 10. SYMPTOMS - Stale Air on a City Morning (edit) > 11. MALKA SPIGEL ? Antimatter > 12. BEATKITTEN - Bored? > 13. COLIN NEWMAN - Time Will Allow > 14. SILO - Prime Movers (edit) > 15. BUMPY ? Blokey > 16. IMMERSION - 2MStens > 17. FREDERIK AMMITB?LL - Copy > 18. SYMPTOMS ? Rose > 19. IMMERSION - Outro > > Does anyone know anything about those tracks? Has any of them been released > before? Is colin's Silo remix the one that was released as a 7" single a few > months ago? ///"time will allow" was on that totally radio show of a few months ago ; excellent track. the silo "boss remix" was the b-side of the last swim 7" but i still havn't got that. the other stuff all looks new ; looks well worth having. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:26:21 +0100 From: "Jerry Butson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... I just thought it was funny Abbo taking the Man's money and going corporate... - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... > > Even more bizarrely Big Cat got bought out by Richard Bransons's V2 label > > (the one that's been doing th Associates reissues) and Abbo now works at V2 > > New York doing A&R. Don't know who he's signed... > > j > > //// ha ha that's great. V2 sure could do with some decent bands. or any decent bands actually. maybe he could sneak that furyo lp out using some of the funds generated by those crappy stereophonics. wouldn't sound any less fashionable now than it might have done in 84. the operatic goth revival starts here! er , maybe not then. p - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.273 / Virus Database: 143 - Release Date: 16/08/2001 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:00:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] records onto CD On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Frank J|rgen Wvrner wrote: > Young Marble Giants Colossal Youth and a disc of demos/early stuff are both still in print, as far as I know. The latter ("Salad Days") is on Vinyl Japan and maybe the Colossal Youth reissue was too. Let me check... hey, they've reissued A Scandal In Bohemia and done a compilation of other Glass Records-era Jazz Butcher! Neat. > The Deep Freeze Mice Go to http://www.interlog.com/~costan/mgccat.html http://homepages.stayfree.co.uk/cordelia/Pages/Home page.html to find the first six DFM albums reissued on CD with bonus tracks. Sadly no "War, Famine, Death, Pestilence and Miss Timberlake" yet, which is the only one I've got that really lives up to the first Ruth's Refrigerator album (my favorite Alan Jenkins record by far). a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:14:58 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hicks from Gaza Dan, <<>Eyeless in Gaza atmosheric, ambient stuff isn't my cup of tea ... did they ever do anything else along the lines of "the feeling's mutual"? great song. can't say the rest of kodak ghosts run amok, which was tacked onto the end of some commercial cassette (rust red september?), made an immediate impression on me, but perhaps it needs a more attentive listen. << What you really need is the first (?) single, Invisibility. About the same vintage as KGRA, but a fantastic, intense pop song. As for albums, try Caught in Flux (the second one) which is a bit less ambient and more song-based than KGRA. Great live band - two dour looking blokes playing about 10 instruments each at once... regulars on the Birmingham pub circuit of the early 80s (along with the Nightingales and the Cravats)... >>("mutual" i first encountered on some comp a couple of decades ago, either heat from the street or hicks from the sticks, i believe, << That'd be on the inferior Heat.... >>which must've been pretty good collections, as i recall they must be russians' where have i seen you before, i'm so hollow's you're without sound << or even Clock DVA's You're without sound ;-) ISH's contribution is I don't know. >>& esp. section 25's after image [much rawer than the post-ep factory releases while being better-realized, imho, than girls don't count] from one or both.) >> That's because of superior production by M Hannett, rather than Ian Curtis and Rob Gretton (who did GDC). Always preferred the Knew Noise/Up to you sie of the first SXXV single. You're right though, HFTS was a cracking compilation. Also contained Wah! Heat's mighty Hey Disco Joe. It was repackaged under a differnet title a couple of years later (by which time most of the bands had changed/split etc) though the (cheesy) new title escapes me. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:18:49 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] records onto CD Frank > Young Marble Giants Colossal Youth was released by Rough Trade years ago circa 1990. You should be able to pick it up somewhere. > The Deep Freeze Mice Lots of DFM is on CD: go to their website at http://homepages.stayfree.co.uk/cordelia/ My favourite: Hang on Constance Let Me Hear The News... John Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:19:28 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night i mostly listened to: Dan, >>a bunch of mainstream '70s hits for a mix tape to appease my girlfriend (who was a child when this stuff came out) over my egregious sin of having insulted jackson browne the other night (talk about your sitting targets!)<< Deeply unpleasant. Far, far worse than the Eagles! << chicory tip's son of my father (not that it ever got near the charts over here),<< Produced by Giorgio Moroder, of course, at the dawn of synth-pop. The chorus' melody is still in evidence as a football terrace chant here.... >>climax blues band's couldn't get it right &, of course, elp's lucky man & elo's turn to stone (think i'll give the october show's $35-plus tickets a miss, somehow).<< I'd personally give it a miss if they were offering me $35 to go!!!! ;-) >> *sigh* sometimes my record collection frightens me to death.<< It's scaring me right now! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:25:13 +0200 From: "Frank Jürgen Wörner" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] records onto CD - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mileta Okiljevic" To: "Frank J|rgen Wvrner" ; Cc: "Mileta Okiljevic" Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] records onto CD > > Frank, was you familiar with work of german band > Kowalski from mid-eighties or even earlier i guess... Hi Mileta ( BTW, is this a "male" or "female" name ? ). I somehow remember having heard of Kowalski ... But I wouldn't sort them in under Neubauten sound-alikes. More like a simplistic guitar,bass,drums rock'n'roll with "politic lyrics" group ... but maybe my memory is absolutely wrong here ... anyway ... they're long gone. List members may have noticed that I listen to a lot of music from the late seventies/early eighties. This is because my budget for music buying is limited nowadays and so I am very deep into my vinyl collection during the last weeks and discover a lot of almost forgotten stuff ... even some wire records I didn't remember ... playing at the moment is Who's next ( really great: "Bargain", "Baba O'Reilly" ). Next will be Jim Jiminee, Julian Cope and Josef K. regards, FrankfromBavaria PS. thanx to all for the info about YMG, will check ebay for it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:32:13 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] records onto CD > Hi Mileta ( BTW, is this a "male" or "female" name ? ). male, male dear friend.. but i have tons of anecdotes about it.. very, very funny.. still received from Wire Fox Terriers Clubs letters with Mrs. ha, ha... > > I somehow remember having heard of Kowalski ... > But I wouldn't sort them in under Neubauten > sound-alikes. > More like a simplistic guitar,bass,drums rock'n'roll > with "politic lyrics" group ... but maybe my memory is > absolutely wrong here ... anyway ... they're long gone. No, you are right,,they were more basic rock band.. but like to show on stage some " instrumentarium " similar like neubauten, and use it sporadically.. music was conventional..some compared them with KJ first because of theri energy on stage.. > > List members may have noticed that I listen to a lot > of music from the late seventies/early eighties. This is > because my budget for music buying is limited > nowadays and so I am very deep into my vinyl > collection during the last weeks and discover a lot > of almost forgotten stuff ... even some wire records > I didn't remember ... playing at the moment is > Who's next ( really great: "Bargain", "Baba O'Reilly" ). > > Next will be Jim Jiminee, Julian Cope and Josef K. I like very much Josef K. more than Orange Juice even i am fond of them.. i always liked scottish bands, i like their melodies.. funnu thing is that i search my old collections of video tapes two days ago ( of course, i haven' t list what is on them ) and when i play one of many first clip was Jim Jiminee,,, and you mentioned it...spooky..!! Julian Cope is one of my heroes.. i praise him because he was so enthusiastic about promoting kraut-rock ( Faust, Can...) btw, does anyone has any link about Popol Vuh ? not to mention his music... from any stage of career.. still think that Kilimanjaro was one of greatest british pop album ever.. > PS. thanx to all for the info about YMG, will check ebay for it. Did you like Weekend !? cheers mileta ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:38:30 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] records onto CD In a message dated 8/22/01 3:47:48 PM Central Daylight Time, baltazar@panet.bits.net writes: << Julian Cope is one of my heroes.. i praise him because he was so enthusiastic about promoting kraut-rock ( Faust, Can...) btw, does anyone has any link about Popol Vuh ? >> I really enjoy "Affenstunde and "In Den Gaerten Pharoahs" by Popol Vuh after that, they became a little weak....though Hosianna Mantra is pretty decent....I really liked Fricke's work on the Tangerine Dream lp "Zeit"........ Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:22:56 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] records onto CD > I really enjoy "Affenstunde and "In Den Gaerten Pharoahs" by Popol Vuh after > that, they became a little weak....though Hosianna Mantra is pretty > decent....I really liked Fricke's work on the Tangerine Dream lp > "Zeit"........ It's shame that TD wasn' t more praised for what they done in early 70's.. Zeit for example, or Atem.. did you know that Atem was championed by John Peel as best album of the year wahnsinn !!!! It is funny that Sam Rosenthal put on one of Projekt samplers two songs from Popol Vuh from 1976 and it sound like they made it day before.. veru fresh, very.. and i fisrt time thought that Cocteau Twins maybe listened that songs.. just thought.. thanx for responding about this, i like that stage in german music.. must told you that i forgot TD after Force Majeure... was very dissapointed with way they go.. is there anything decent after Force Majeure.. that one was mainstream , but like it somehow.. rgds, mileta > > Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:23:06 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night i mostly listened to: > << chicory tip's son of my father (not that it ever got near the charts over > here),<< speaking about chicory tip reminded me of mighty SILICON TEENS.. i've enjoyed them a lot...but sold album many, many years ago.. it is strange that i missed that album a lot lately, and for some reason thought about it very much.. mark, you know almost everything.. does ST are re-issued on CD or there are some plans.. mileta ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:53:33 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Martyn Bates/Kowalski/Nightblooms - --- Mileta Okiljevic wrote: > > Eyeless in Gaza > > Friend of mine is absolutely bigest fan of Eyeless > In > Gaza, he don' t ask for price when find something he > haven' t already.. > Many things from Gaza or Bates are on CD, but i > think > with limited edition series. There was also that Hungry I band he was in for a while. Did any of that ever make it onto CD? > > Frank, was you familiar with work of german band > Kowalski from mid-eighties or even earlier i > guess... Blast from the past. I saw them support Spear Of Destiny at Leicester University (when I was still at school!). This would be their first tour for the Grapes of Wrath LP. Kowalski had a metal grinder on stage with them and shot sparks all over the place. > If i am not again wrong album name had something > like Overboard or similar.. > they use similar " equipment" like Einsturzende but > mad pop music compared to Blixa & cohorts.. > Sounds about right. I always wondered what happened to them as they went down well. > Re: Nightblooms. I remember a single coming out via Fast Forward/Cartel and then didn't Fierce Records (Pooh Sticks and various novelty releases) release an album of theirs? John Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 03:59:17 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... > I just thought it was funny Abbo taking the Man's money and going > corporate... > //////hey , this is the guy who managed EMF to a US number one hit with "unbelievable" all those years ago. he also managed carter usm ; hope that mannequin cover wasn't his idea. p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:00:46 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Records onto cd The first two Flying Lizards albums "The Flying Lizards" and "Fourth Wall". I think they were issued on CD in Japan, but I've never seen them. I think David Cunningham disapproved of these reissues; I don't know why. Apparently he's now working on a reissue of "Fourth Wall", but this is taking a very long time. Mark Short ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #258 *******************************