From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #256 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, August 21 2001 Volume 04 : Number 256 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: CD Wishlist ["David McKenzie" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: CD Wishlist [Mark Short ] Re: [idealcopy] Voluminous Digest [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] this weekend i have mostly listened to: [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Phillip Jeck [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Voluminous Digest [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: CD Wishlist ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] Re: [idealcopy] Corbijn & Pink Flag concert ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] Seefeel/Mark Clifford [Mark McQuitty ] Re: [idealcopy] Corbijn & Pink Flag concert [Bart ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: CD Wishlist ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] Re: [idealcopy] Corbijn & Pink Flag concert ["dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: CD Wishlist fingetprintz - 'beat noir' (someone already mentioned 'the very dab) ran blake - film noir (sticking with the noir theme - but a really nice album of vignettes for noir films) haroumi hosono - cochin moon (sadly way too long out of pring - analogue primitivism) roger kellaway cello quartet - come to the meadow (they keep playing a snippet on NPR and my vinyl is very clicky) mathematics moderns - s/t (a stunningly rickety synthpop gem) shriekback - jam science (much of which has been digitized heither and yond, it would be nice to have the album restored) urszula dudziak - urszula (oft sampled - this release would surprize a few) and the remainder of the obscure catalog to date we have seen eno - discreet music , the penguin cage orchestra and and gavin bryars' sinking of the titantic (one more?) oh yeas and another vote for 'songs to remember' for those who don't have one and the original affectionate punch Sulk would have headed this list last year as would the Planets and New Musik reissues which appeared last year ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:55:50 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: CD Wishlist David McKenzie wrote: > and the remainder of the obscure catalog > to date we have seen > eno - discreet music , the penguin cage orchestra and and gavin bryars' > sinking of the titantic > (one more?) Two more... Harold Budd - Pavillion Of Dreams David Toop and Max Eastley - New and Rediscovered Instruments Bring on "Irma" Mark Short ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:19:03 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Voluminous Digest In a message dated 8/20/01 2:07:57 AM Central Daylight Time, baltazar@panet.bits.net writes: << >I cannot believe that members of RHCP joined Moby & New Order in rendition > >of > >New Dawn Fades few days ago in USA... > > I know! What a bloody disgrace! > I suppose as I get older I will have to deal with my childhood heroes > making complete c***s of themselves....my Dad was horrified when Jagger & > Bowie did that 'Dancin in the streets' thing and this atrocity reminds me > of that. >>>>>> Well, Bowie has made a c**t of himself again....i was watching MTV 2 the other night (trying to catch the new Plaid video but was surprised by Autechre's Second Bad Vilbel!) and during a news segment it was revealed that Bowie was actually in the studio working with P-Diddy aka Shawn "Puff Daddy" Combs instead of just being sampled by him...it sickened me to see Bowie hanging out in the studio and kissing Puffy's ass and telling him how much of a talent he thinks he is....UUUURRRGGGGHHH! Why would Bowie feel the need to lower himself in such a manner? He looks horrible by the way..... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:29:07 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] this weekend i have mostly listened to: for me it was: Fennesz - Endless Summer Sorrow - The Final Solstice (guests include: David Tibet of Current 93 and Jon Balance of Coil...includes a stunning cover of The Normal's "Warm Leatherette" Rapoon - Errant Angels Disobey - double cd compilation ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:30:22 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Phillip Jeck i have become curious about the two cds on the Touch label by Phillip Jeck...does anybody know where i could possibly find them for a decent price? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:17:30 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Voluminous Digest In a message dated Mon, 20 Aug 2001 9:31:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 8/20/01 2:07:57 AM Central Daylight Time, > baltazar@panet.bits.net writes: > > << >I cannot believe that members of RHCP joined Moby & New Order in > rendition > > >of > > >New Dawn Fades few days ago in USA... > > > > I know! What a bloody disgrace! > > I suppose as I get older I will have to deal with my childhood heroes > > making complete c***s of themselves....my Dad was horrified when Jagger & > > Bowie did that 'Dancin in the streets' thing and this atrocity reminds me > > of that. >>>>>> > > Well, Bowie has made a c**t of himself again....during a news segment it was revealed that > Bowie was actually in the studio working with P-Diddy aka Shawn "Puff Daddy" > Combs instead of just being sampled by him...it sickened me to see Bowie > hanging out in the studio and kissing Puffy's ass and telling him how much of > a talent he thinks he is....UUUURRRGGGGHHH! Why would Bowie feel the need to > lower himself in such a manner? /////i must disagree strongly with the above. when one is at the bottom of the barrel it is not possible to lower oneself any further.p ps wonder what happened to that "new" ziggy movie. i was so looking forward to it. pps that album of bowie instrumentals looks a real "must have". and definitely not a desperate barrel scraping. no way. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:52:57 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: CD Wishlist > the original affectionate punch > Sulk would have headed this list last year as would the Planets and New > Musik reissues which appeared last year well, i wasn' t sure for Sulk & Fourth Drawer Down to be re-issued in original schedule with bonuses . i wasn' t check it out.. but friend of mine made for me original affectionate punch on cd-r so i can enjoy in complete.. does anyone know for band called Leissure Proces. I was very fond of their 12' Anxiety... about in same time with fast version of Shriekback-Mercy Dash.. very similar sounding ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:37:28 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] recent listens & Re: CD Wishlist In a message dated 8/20/01 7:56:47 AM, mshort@lucent.com writes: > >Harold Budd - Pavillion Of Dreams a friend of mine could probably ask mr. budd about this one. i'll see what i can find out. recently, i've been listening to: assorted bauhaus, tones on tail, david j, and 2 love & rockets songs (one being a cover tune!) assorted stereolab quando quango-pigs & battleships white glove test-look new fast automatic daffodils-pigeonhole, big ep flip phillips memorial broadcast on wkcr - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:55:17 +0100 From: "Garry Phillipson" Subject: [idealcopy] Things We Want on CD The thing I'd really like to see re-issued is 'Immanent' by H.A.L.O. - I haven't been able to track a copy down anywhere. Also it would be nice to see material from the early 80's electronic band 'Part Form' released, but I may be biassed here since I was in that most curious of groups. Garry P astrozero@btinternet.com www.astrozero.btinternet.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:33:18 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corbijn & Pink Flag concert : bartvandamme@home > Some time ago Anton Corbijn had a great exhibition in his birth-town [and my > hometown] Groningen at the Groninger Museum www.groninger-museum.nl in the > northern part of the Netherlands... The opening by his good friend Bono > caused quit a stirr in our little city... it is very funny story that Corbijn when work for NME in 80' s and he received offer to work for U2 at first refuse.. He told that they was " heavy - metal band ", ha, ha ..... i absolute adore Corbijn's work, few months ago find on google.com about 1000 links.. still remember his photos of Slits in NME ( w/Budgie ), Billy MacKenzie and many, many others. do you know that some people called him Mr.Depeche Mode himself.. well, i suppose that you know that he gave name to Joshua Tree album, and had a great impact and influence on many artists.. when i was watching Factory special so many times ago on MTV 120 minutes i was so angry when Tony Wilson said that Atmosphere was "not good " and apologetic.. i think video.. well, Anton came to Britain fascinated with JD work and i think that he done that video with heart, why Tony Wilson wasn' t said no !? he was head of Factory.. that video indeed suits in his statement that IC death was good commercial move ..!! he denied that later, but.. in fact after that video i don' t notice that AC work with New Order or similar.. and still work with U2 and DM... they gave him all honour he deserve.. do you know him personally, i think Anton...? mileta ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:06:36 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] mostly been listening to... as a result of recent posts... Section 25 - Always Now lp/ Girls Dont Count 12"/Charnel Ground 7"/ Slade - Slade In Flame The Beatles - Please Please Me The Kinks - Face To Face D12 - Purple Pills Bonny Billy - More Revery Bonnie Prince Billy - Ease Down The Road irk the purists, it could well be an Olympic Sport... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:59:09 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... all of which, i see, appear in studio form on their 2nd (afaik, & afaik also their last) lp, in evil hour. dan >I've got a five track 12" by The Room called Jackpot >Jack. Four tracks are Janice Long Sessions with the >title track from a Radio One Saturday Live session: J >Jack/The Friendly Enemy/Naive/A Shirt of Fire/Crying >Red. > >John > >> >> room -- the 4 7"s, 2 12"s & 2 lp's i know of >> > >> >is this the band that did "things have learnt to >> walk that ought to >> >crawl"? liked that song, never wondered what else >> they'd done. >> >> that was their 3rd 7" (after motion/waiting room, in >> sickness & health bated >> breath, & before one hundred days/the whole world >> sings), & i'm pretty the >> a-side is on their first lp, indoor fireworks. some >> of the early single >> sides were on the cassette-only bitter reaction, >> too. >> >> dan >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:05:11 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corbijn & Pink Flag concert wilson doesn't like that video? it's one of the most utterly haunting things i've ever seen, even though i caught only part of it on 120 minutes about 11 years ago & another snippet a couple of years ago on a website. dan >when i was watching Factory special so many times ago on MTV 120 minutes i >was >so angry when Tony Wilson said that Atmosphere was "not good " and >apologetic.. >i think video.. >well, Anton came to Britain fascinated with JD work and i think that he done >that video >with heart, why Tony Wilson wasn' t said no !? he was head of Factory.. >that video indeed suits in his statement that IC death was good commercial >move ..!! >he denied that later, but.. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:30:33 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corbijn & Pink Flag concert From: dan bailey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corbijn & Pink Flag concert > wilson doesn't like that video? it's one of the most utterly haunting things > i've ever seen, even though i caught only part of it on 120 minutes about 11 > years ago & another snippet a couple of years ago on a website. > > dan typical for him, i cannot recall where he said,statement was that it was "iconoclastic", etc, etc.. but, it doesn' t stop him to re-issue song and made video.. did you see new New Order video, some said that Stakka Bo directed video, i cannot believe it..did you hear some of hias song ( if is to believed, maybe it was wrong information..) for me " atmosphere " is one of most special song ever written, and i was affraid that video will ruined song, but Corbijn gave another dimension to that song.. i like his way of working that he doesn't listen words of song.. and gave new dimension to song.. btw, New Order put Atmsophere in their setlist in recent gigs.. mileta ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:53:44 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corbijn & Pink Flag concert Mileta, << when i was watching Factory special so many times ago on MTV 120 minutes i was so angry when Tony Wilson said that Atmosphere was "not good " and apologetic.. i think video.. well, Anton came to Britain fascinated with JD work and i think that he done that video with heart, why Tony Wilson wasn' t said no !? he was head of Factory..<< Such was the joy of Factory. They hired an artist (Corbijn) to make his art. It wouldn't be killed just because the boss didn't like it. >> that video indeed suits in his statement that IC death was good commercial move ..!! >> That statement is a very dry factory joke. personally I'm not too keen on the Atmosphere video. Too cliched. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:56:40 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corbijn & Pink Flag concert Mileta, << btw, New Order put Atmsophere in their setlist in recent gigs.. >> They opened with it at Liverpool last month. Complete with Barney's whooping! eg... "Waaaaalk......WHOOO!!! .. in siiiiiilence..." etc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:14:32 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Things We Want on CD Try www.netsounds.com or www.gemm.com Mark << The thing I'd really like to see re-issued is 'Immanent' by H.A.L.O. - I haven't been able to track a copy down anywhere. >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:34:04 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: CD Wishlist Mileta, It was Ross Middleton's band after he left Glaswegian Joy Division/Magazine copyists Positive Noise.... Mark << does anyone know for band called Leissure Proces. I was very fond of their 12' Anxiety... about in same time with fast version of Shriekback-Mercy Dash.. very similar sounding >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:35:38 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Voluminous Digest Paul, << /////i must disagree strongly with the above. when one is at the bottom of the barrel it is not possible to lower oneself any further.p ps wonder what happened to that "new" ziggy movie. i was so looking forward to it. pps that album of bowie instrumentals looks a real "must have". and definitely not a desperate barrel scraping. no way. >> Actually it might be reasonably interesting, recorded as it was at the same time as Low etc, in the Dame's berlin pomp..... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 03:48:34 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: CD Wishlist > It was Ross Middleton's band after he left Glaswegian Joy Division/Magazine > copyists Positive Noise.... > > Mark > > << does anyone know for band called Leissure Proces. I was very fond of > their 12' Anxiety... > about in same time with fast version of Shriekback-Mercy Dash.. > very similar sounding >> i know Positive Noise.. what was their album called.. Anxiety has a catchy chorus.. thanx anyway.. mileta ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 03:57:17 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corbijn & Pink Flag concert > Such was the joy of Factory. They hired an artist (Corbijn) to make his art. > It wouldn't be killed just because the boss didn't like it. > > personally I'm not too keen on the Atmosphere video. Too cliched. > > Mark In fact i never heard that Wilson complain about Peter Saville.. he was part of Factory team, as i know.. i like his art, does he have web adress, i will checkt it out opinion about video are welcomed, but Wilson one is..not with taste. after all, he hired Corbijn, at least i hope so.. Corbij photo of JD in underground became almost mythical, and that was also part of Factory aestetics... but few more Corbijn videos are very interesting.. i think that many of you saw Front 242 Headhunter.. or Propaganda Dr. Mabuse with not so high budget, but nice idea.. i like his stage design for Devotional tour for DM, and that Trabant idea for U2 One video and stage design.. What was with Malcolm Garret and Assorted Images from 80's.. they made covers for Magazine nad many, many others.. Cabaret Voltaire, tec, etc... mileta ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 04:20:23 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corbijn & Pink Flag concert > << btw, New Order put Atmsophere in their setlist in recent gigs.. >> > They opened with it at Liverpool last month. Complete with Barney's whooping! > eg... "Waaaaalk......WHOOO!!! .. in siiiiiilence..." did you hear his announcement in Germany after Atmosphere.. Did you all have good time !? Did you like dance music..!? Nah, you like marching music..!! ... people wasn' t notice at all, they expected some megastars.. and Blue Monday he announced as song about porno-channel did he excahnege joke or two with Red Hot Chilli Peppers.. i dunno does he talk about his penis size on stage !? but, album is good.. i like it and slowly grown on me.. lost album after Brotherhood 80' s feel in all.. and some musical schemes they used in JD and early New Order.. nothing spectacular, but.. we made unjustice to poor Billy Corgan, but real spoiler is Bobby Gillespie with Rock The Shack.. i like it, but it can be suit on Primals album 6-7 yeras ago.. Rocks, etc... why they invite Bobby.. pumped full of drugs, i s'posse.. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:26:41 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: CD Wishlist >> It was Ross Middleton's band after he left Glaswegian Joy >Division/Magazine >> copyists Positive Noise.... >> >> Mark >> >> << does anyone know for band called Leissure Proces. I was very fond of >> their 12' Anxiety... >> about in same time with fast version of Shriekback-Mercy Dash.. >> very similar sounding >> > >i know Positive Noise.. >what was their album called.. >Anxiety has a catchy chorus.. >thanx anyway.. > >mileta i know of at least 2 -- heart of darkness & change of heart dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:59:35 +0100 From: Mark McQuitty Subject: [idealcopy] Seefeel/Mark Clifford A few on the list have mentioned the mighty Seefeel. I agree, all their output is top notch. Live stuff was awesome too. I don't agree so much with the praise for Scala. They're ok I suppose. Much better IMHO is Mark Cliffords post-Seefeel work. Check the two Warp CD's he did as Disjecta. Really top stuff. He's also done some stuff as Sneakster on Bella Union which is also worth a listen. MarkM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:22:07 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] last night i mostly listened to: Ronu Majumdar - Hollow Bamboo Jah Wobble - Deep Space ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:43:11 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] SET SALE - DAY 2 Day 2 of the set sale. Some items still availble, but going fast. Send e-mail to request list. ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:56:35 +0200 From: Bart Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corbijn & Pink Flag concert "do you know him personally, i think Anton...? mileta" No, Mileta, I don't know him personally... SPOKE to him though! A few years ago he gave a lecture about his work in the Oosterpoort Cultural Centre. He told quit a few anecdotes about working with U2, Cobain, REM, Bowie, DM, Miles Davis and his personal fav. Cpt. Beefheart! Being somewhat of a photographer myself I asked him about his sepiatone prints - just how that works. Turned out he had them printed in Japan but he didn't want give the trick away. Bloody nice guy our Corbie! The pride of Groningen and the Netherlands. ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:58:06 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: CD Wishlist > >> It was Ross Middleton's band after he left Glaswegian Joy > >Division/Magazine > >> copyists Positive Noise.... > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> << does anyone know for band called Leissure Proces. I was very fond of > >> their 12' Anxiety... > >> about in same time with fast version of Shriekback-Mercy Dash.. > >> very similar sounding >> > > > >i know Positive Noise.. > >what was their album called.. > >Anxiety has a catchy chorus.. > >thanx anyway.. > > > >mileta > > i know of at least 2 -- heart of darkness & change of heart yes ..heart of darkness i have that album for a while in my home.. cannot remember properly music, now remember cover.. thanx a lot, mate.. mileta > > dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:09:50 +0200 From: Bart Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corbijn & Pink Flag concert "still remember his [Corbijn's] photos of Slits in NME" What ever happened to the Slits btw? I got their "Man next door" single in 1980 visiting London. Also a single wich they shared with the Popgroup! [forgot the titles and I'm not at home to check] Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:26:40 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corbijn & Pink Flag concert >"still remember his [Corbijn's] photos of Slits in NME" > >What ever happened to the Slits btw? I got their "Man next door" single in >1980 visiting London. Also a single wich they shared with the Popgroup! >[forgot the titles and I'm not at home to check] was going through my split 7"s just last night, as it happens -- in the beginning there was rhythm (slits) & where there's a will (pop group). dan > >Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:21:03 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corbijn & Pink Flag concert > "do you know him personally, i think Anton...? > > mileta" > > > No, Mileta, I don't know him personally... SPOKE to him though! > A few years ago he gave a lecture about his work in the > Oosterpoort Cultural Centre. He told quit a few anecdotes about working with > U2, Cobain, REM, Bowie, DM, Miles Davis and his personal fav. Cpt. > Beefheart! > Being somewhat of a photographer myself I asked him about his sepiatone > prints - just how that works. Turned out he had them printed in Japan but he > didn't want give the trick away. Bloody nice guy our Corbie! The pride of > Groningen and the Netherlands. ;-) > > Bart i watched one french documentary about Depeche Mode in Violator time, and Anton was told something about way he works, 8mm camera, etc, etc.. not much, but i was very happy to see him.. there are few tribute sites, i will find adress, but if you have NME's from 80's it will be nice .. recently he was with DM in States, dunno yet does will he directed two videos for next singles..rumours are that maybe there will be live album & video. personally i don' t believ because Mute still wasn' t re-issue Devotional on DVD. last video i saw from him was Mercury Rev - Opus 40.. what will David Gahan said - always weird, always Anton.. btw, do you know name of that Lou Reed video he directed.. you cannot find it on official site list.. Pride Of Groningen, yes..ha, ha.. incidentally i watched here on our television Groningen-PSV 2:2.. audience was in delight, even Groningen should win.. sorry for this.. rgds, mileta ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:26:46 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corbijn & Pink Flag concert > "still remember his [Corbijn's] photos of Slits in NME" > > What ever happened to the Slits btw? I got their "Man next door" single in > 1980 visiting London. Also a single wich they shared with the Popgroup! > [forgot the titles and I'm not at home to check] As i know Budgie, became Mr.Siouxsie,then with her move to Creatures. Anton made cover of Boomerang, and some Banshees photos.. Ari is wife of John Lydon ( aka Rotten )and owned empire of beaty cosmetics , someone will knew name, very, very famous..very, very rich... as you can see, it' s easy for Mr.Lydon to re-unite Sex Pistols and make himself a fool at press conference, etc.. he marry himself very nice.. shame, i once rating PIL as very, very inovative band.. Metal Box, Flowers Of Romance.. and also like Sex Pistols... but, in same time i am happy because of him.. he played his role with perfection > > Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #256 *******************************