From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #252 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, August 17 2001 Volume 04 : Number 252 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] poll.... [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] age ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Poll ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... [Felton Frog-Mon ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [idealcopy] last night i mostly listened to: [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: AW: [idealcopy] poll.... [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Poll [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] [idealcopy] OT - Novelty act [John Roberts ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... [eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang)] [idealcopy] Moris Tepper &... ["ian jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["ian jackson" ] [idealcopy] OT - Bill Nelson [Felton Frog-Mon ] Re: [idealcopy] The water in Leeds ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bill Nelson [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Ants [Joseph S ] Re: [idealcopy] Ants ["Heather ." ] [idealcopy] First 3 LPs part 234: Seefeel! [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["Heather ." ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["Heather ." ] Re: [idealcopy] Ants [Joseph S ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... [HeySean@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Ants [HeySean@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bill Nelson [HeySean@aol.com] [idealcopy] last night i mostly listened to: [kevin eden ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] Re: (idealcopy) Poll... [eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang)] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["Heather ." ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["Heather ." ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... [HeySean@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... [HeySean@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:21:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, dan bailey wrote: > as for the leeds connection, i've noted before that that city (rlyl, > mekons, chumba, gang of 4, 3 johns, sisters of mercy, don't forget Boyracer! that is all. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:21:58 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... In a message dated 8/16/01 11:09:18 AM Central Daylight Time, jerry@vane-recordings.com writes: << Currently I'm planning releases by Shriekback, Fashion, SPK & Gina X Performance. Do you have any albums you'd really like to see released on CD? jerry >> oh yes...i would like to see: Bruce Gilbert - This Way with all tracks included and artwork The Shivering Man with all tracks included and artwork Liaisons Dangereuses - s/t cd with artwork from around 1981 on Road Runner label (ex-daf member) Pseudo Echo - s/t cd (a strong Ultravox influence) Marc and the Mambas - Sleaze 12", Torment 12", and Black Heart 12" all on one cd OR better yet, separate cd singles with artwork i'm sure i'll think of more....lol Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:34:53 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] age >Oh you see that's very clever, since American Bandstand didn't go > >off the air till the late 80's ;D > >One episode I always wanted to see of AB was the one with Pil. same here. for years i couldn't figure out why i'd missed it, till george gimarc's postpunk diary gave the date, & it turned out i was busy getting ready for my first wedding that day (which means ian curtis was in the process of getting ready for his suicide, too). The one > >with Adam and the Ants was pretty good (I'm a sucker for Burundi > >drumming). didn't see that one, alas, though i remember seeing the specials, i think, & maybe the jam. dan > >truly, > >Heather > > > >> >>me mum watched American Bandstand with Dick Clark when I was a toddler > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:36:36 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... >> Care to tell us which list that was Mileta? Killing Joke are just the most >> underrated band. They were massively influential (cited by many much more >> successful bands as a major influence) and have always followed their own >> path. >> j > >yes.. >that was Comsat Angels list.. >thankfully to that list i am on Wire list.. >some people demand to talk MUST just be about Comsats.. >and they are disbanded so much time ago.. >so Mark gaves such ahonour about Wire list, that i decide to join.. >i enjoy sometime trip down the memory lane on Comsat list, but this >one is really best one.. > >i am also on Modern Eon list, which reminds me that i *must* finally get around to listening to their lp, which i got off ebay last year if not earlier ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:39:50 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Poll >In a message dated 8/16/01 6:25:15 AM Central Daylight Time, >wireviews@yahoo.com writes: > ><< "i'd like everyone to give a few examples of > bands/solo acts that gave us their best work with > their first two or three albums..." > > Human League: First album: great in an odd sort of > way. Everything else: a bit poo.>>>>>>>>>>> i would have to say that the >first two; Travelogue and Reproduction were both great!...the other stuff was >so-so.... i concur on the first 2, though i prefer repro ... i also have to come out of the closet & admit that i like dare, though the big hit, don't you want me baby, isn't among the highlights for me -- that status goes to seconds, sound of the crowd, i am the law & a couple of others instead. dan > TheThe: Good single with B+G. Shite thereafter!>>>>>>NO WAY! i >disagree....have you ever listened to Soul Mining?....it is amazing... the 10-minute 12" version of uncertain smile is enough by itself to disprove the "shite" judgment, i'd say. dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:47:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Felton Frog-Mon Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... Interesting topic- - --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > i'd like everyone to give a few examples of > bands/solo acts that gave us > their best work with their first two or three > albums...as well as a list of > others who didn't peak til much later..... I would add to the poll the following: Love and Rockets - First three are the best by far. Talking Heads - '77 - Remain in Light. Pretty flat after those albums. Aerosmith - first 3-4 albums are amazing rock. They really became kind of a one trick pony after that. On the other side of the coin: Peter Gabriel - didn't really hit his stride until his 3rd album. Although he started a bit of a slide after 'So' Bauhaus - kind of slow at first, but really hit their stride after "The Sky's Gone Out" Hasta RJH ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "May all your ups and downs be between the sheets." - -Tom Waits - ----------------------------------------------------------- Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:06:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Jerry Butson wrote: > You seem to have a taste for music much like my own. I'm currently > setting up a label to re-release some hard to find music from the > 1980s. Currently I'm planning releases by Shriekback, Fashion, SPK & > Gina X Performance. Do you have any albums you'd really like to see > released on CD? Shriekback's Jam Science (with b-sides, even?) would be at the top of my list, but good luck -- i was under the impression that license problems were keeping them from reissuing much of anything on their own. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:42:05 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night i mostly listened to: and all this morning i have been listening to: Sergius Golowin - Lord Krishna Von Goloka Klaus Schulze - Picture Music Edgar Froese - Aqua Tangerine Dream - Phaedra Cluster - Zuckerzeit ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:44:33 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] poll.... In a message dated 16/08/01 09:58:39 GMT Daylight Time, Frank.Woerner@nbg.sbs.de writes: > The album where they pose in deep sea diving gear ( don't know > the name at the moment ) and english settlement were the best ones. > > That would be Black Sea. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:59:44 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Poll In a message dated 16/08/01 15:38:54 GMT Daylight Time, wireviews@yahoo.com writes: > > Obsidian still gives me the shivers. Great stuff. > > >>>>>>>>>>>Obsidian by Psychick Warriors Ov > > Gaia???? > > Er, as in 'Obsidian' by Banco de Gaia == second track > on Igizeh... > > > That was my fault in hitting a q instead of a g. Yours mistakenly Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:37:42 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Novelty act Heather wrote something about Husker Du Now there's a band that took a little while to get into their stride. LSR is too fast for me, whilst Zen Arcade, New Day Rising and Flip Your Wig are all quality. and also said > ...One thing that's slightly peaked my > curiousity, what qualifies > as a "novelty act"? This would be where a band or act appears on the bill that looks rather out of place. The idea is either the promoters, the support act or the headlining act; never the audience's. The intention is that the audience will find such a juxtaposition amusing and tolerate it. The result is usually a hail of bottles filled with piss or a very packed bar. Examples would be Vera Lynn at the Crystal Palace Bowl on the same bill as Spear of Destiny and Hawkwind, or Showaddywaddy supporting Einsterzende Neubauten, or Bad News (spoof HM band similar to Spinal Tap) on the Monsters of Rock Festival at Castle Donnington (supporting the likes of David Lee Roth, Ozzy Osbourne and Guns and Roses I think that year), or the Swinging Laurels supporting the Clash, or any gig where John Otway turns up, or Los Paralyticos supporting Alternative TV the other week. All of these sadly took place - unfortunately I missed only one of them. John Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:06:34 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... I'm currently setting >up a label to re-release some hard to find music from the 1980s. Currently >I'm planning releases by Shriekback, Fashion, SPK & Gina X Performance. Do >you have any albums you'd really like to see released on CD? > >jerry purely on a wish-list basis ... units -- digital stimulation plus 7" b-sides (sort of the u.s. answer to human league, though with more sense of humor ... in an ideal world, the 2 follow-up albums they recorded with bill nelson producing but that were never released could be exhumed, but that isn't likely to happen) minimal man -- shroud of & safari lp's (throbbing gristle, san francisco-style, sort of ... no connection, afaik, to the recent-ish techno act of the same name) cowboys international -- original sin lp & 7" non-lp sides (actually a product of '79, but would fit right in ... a much sprightlier early human league, in some ways) dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:43:35 -0700 (PDT) From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... <> I really liked their singles that appeared on the Projekt sampler cds. I'm going to have to check out their compilation albums that are coming out this year. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:53:21 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Moris Tepper &... >Presumably support on the upcoming PJH tour is from >guitarist of the Magic Band from Bat Chain Puller thru >to Ice Cream For Crow (3 of the best albums ever >made)... Moris Tepper and Gary Lucas playing together would have been even nicer though... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:20:21 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... In a message dated 8/16/01 2:09:55 PM Central Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << units -- digital stimulation plus 7" b-sides (sort of the u.s. answer to human league, though with more sense of humor ... in an ideal world, the 2 follow-up albums they recorded with bill nelson producing but that were never released could be exhumed, but that isn't likely to happen) >> i thought the League had a fine sense of humor on the first two albums...Empire State Human reminds me of my boyhood pretending i was a heavyweight contender in rank with Giant Robot, Ultraman, and Godzilla...many cities and platic army men were smashed .....sigh....memories....AND speaking of Bill Nelson....what do most ideal copyists think of his work?...do you prefer his vocal records or do you like the instrumentals?.....My favorite Nelson records are Vistamix and On a Blue Wing...but i do like a lot of those Cocteau records...they are just annoying because the tracks are like little sketches....just about the time you are starting to groove with them..POOF!..they are gone....most tracks lasting less than 2 minutes....i wish that on just one of those records he fleshed out 8 distinct songs instead of 24 tiny ones....great song and album titles though...seems a waste Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:38:06 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... >i also liked Pale Saints not to mention Ian Masters' following band Spoonfed Hybrid... 'Boys In Zine' still sounds amazing to this day, great stuff. ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:39:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Felton Frog-Mon Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Bill Nelson Hey all~ I think that is spot on regarding Bill Nelson's instrumental/ambient work. I recently purchased "Simplex" and found that I wanted the songs to last much longer. I think that is why I prefer his vocal-oriented albums. Favorites of mine are: 'Sound on Sound' (as Red Noise) 'Love that Whirls...' 'Quit Dreaming and...' 'Chimera/Savage Gestures...' And on a related note, can any IC-types recommend (or warn about) Channel Light Vessel. Sounds like their stuff is being rereleased. RJH > AND speaking > of Bill Nelson....what do most ideal copyists think > of his work?...do you > prefer his vocal records or do you like the > instrumentals?.....My favorite > Nelson records are Vistamix and On a Blue Wing...but > i do like a lot of those > Cocteau records...they are just annoying because the > tracks are like little > sketches....just about the time you are starting to > groove with > them..POOF!..they are gone....most tracks lasting > less than 2 minutes....i > wish that on just one of those records he fleshed > out 8 distinct songs > instead of 24 tiny ones....great song and album > titles though...seems a waste > > Robert ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "May all your ups and downs be between the sheets." - -Tom Waits - ----------------------------------------------------------- Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:20:10 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The water in Leeds > as for the leeds connection, i've noted before that that city (rlyl, mekons, > chumba, gang of 4, 3 johns, sisters of mercy, undoubtedly others) seems to > have accounted for a disproportionate number of some of my enduring > favorites, along with manchester (joy division, buzzcocks, fall, magazine, > etc). something in the water? > > dan > Although a Leeds boy, none of the above made much of an impact on me. Nonetheless, just about everybody I knew in Leeds, particularly in the early to mid eighties was in a (at least one) band, starting a band, between bands or considering some kind of musical 'project'. There was a healthy independant cassette and fanzine scene, gigging scene a bit iffy - but in the main, exciting times (at least for those of us involved). I don't think there was anything that was ever desribed as a Leeds 'scene' though, in the same way as Liverpool, Manchester, Sheffield etc. The city itself at the time seemed a pretty nasty place, quite depressed and unpleasant. These days it's a boom town, and much more relaxed and cosmopolitan. Come to Leeds! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:50:24 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... > But, what with bands with only one album and they dissapeared.. > SCARS for example.. > mileta Punishment of Luxury - Laughing Academy. Although they didn't quite disappear, the release of that debut album was followed by years of legal wrangles etc; despite the odd release a few years after, tracks from the initial follow up didn't surface for another 17 years or so. Cruel and unjust! Ian np 154 (the shift from Map Ref to Indirect Enquiries is chilling) Also, just noticed, the booklet in my CD version doesn't contain the lyrics to Indirect Enquiries. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:48:17 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bill Nelson In a message dated 8/16/01 3:40:09 PM Central Daylight Time, r_j_h@yahoo.com writes: > Hey all~ > > I think that is spot on regarding Bill Nelson's > instrumental/ambient work. I recently purchased > "Simplex" and found that I wanted the songs to last > much longer. I think that is why I prefer his > vocal-oriented albums. Favorites of mine are: > > 'Sound on Sound' (as Red Noise) > 'Love that Whirls...' > 'Quit Dreaming and...' > 'Chimera/Savage Gestures...' > i have never heard Love that Whirls...is that a vocal album??? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:40:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph S Subject: [idealcopy] Ants Strip was not a bad album - I'm an antperson from fairly way back (saw them at the Greek in Hollywood in '81 (I was 14). And at Irvine Meadows on the Strip tour in '84. (I remember this teenybopper asking me to focus her binoculars, 'cause if she didn't "see Adam strip, [she'd] die.") Recently I noted to this list that Manners & Physique had been on that week's playlist and a couple people wondered what the merit was of stuff that late in the game. Dunno, but it still gets played every few months. ~Joseph - - - - - - - - - To feed men and not to love them is to treat them as if they were barnyard cattle. To love them and not respect them is to treat them as if they were household pets. -Mencius, philosopher (c. 380-289 BCE) _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:21:38 -0500 From: "Heather ." Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ants I haven't listened to Strip in awhile. Its sort of in the middle, not the best but it has some good moments on it. Though its no "Prince Charming" (how can anyone resist "Pablo Picasso visits the Planet of the Apes"). The only Adam Ant record I can't handle is "Wonderful". Just thinking of the title song, makes me wonder what went wrong. But it has its fans, so perhaps its just me :) Truly, Heather >From: Joseph S >Reply-To: >To: RLynn9@aol.com >CC: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org >Subject: [idealcopy] Ants >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:40:21 -0700 (PDT) > >Strip was not a bad album - I'm an antperson from fairly way back (saw them >at the Greek in Hollywood in '81 (I was 14). And at Irvine Meadows on the >Strip tour in '84. (I remember this teenybopper asking me to focus her >binoculars, 'cause if she didn't "see Adam strip, [she'd] die.") > >Recently I noted to this list that Manners & Physique had been on that >week's playlist and a couple people wondered what the merit was of stuff >that late in the game. Dunno, but it still gets played every few months. > >~Joseph > > >- - - - - - - - >To feed men and not to love them is to treat them as if they were barnyard >cattle. To love them and not respect them is to treat them as if they were >household pets. -Mencius, philosopher (c. 380-289 BCE) > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Send a cool gift with your E-Card >http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:53:54 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] First 3 LPs part 234: Seefeel! Craig wrote: >Seefeel. (Well, kind of. I think the later albums >aren't as good as the older stuff.) Er...they only did three LPs! And the last 'Seefeel' LP 'Ch-Vox' sounds suspiciously like a solo project by Mark Clifford although other members are given songwriting credits. In fact having listened to it again it sounds like its just leftovers/alternate versions from the 'Succour' LP. Anyone know? Actually its not a bad record and sounds like a less melodic take on the sort of thing Colin & Malka did on 'Low Impact'. It was a shame when Seefeel signed to Warp and seemed to be trying far too hard to fit into the mould of Aphex or Autechre when in fact their real strength was the way they combined the rythmn and dynamics of electronica within a guitar/bass/drums/sampler lineup. The EP they did for Warp (Starethrough) was wonderful though. Seefeel were godlike when they first emerged though, they used to be a brilliant live band and had this bassplayer that used to swing his bass all over the place like Peter Hook on Steroids, but only during the more ambient bits when he wasn't playing anything! I've heard a couple of tracks by Scala which featured a few ex-Seefeel members which were OK, and I belive they have done a couple of LPs on Touch. Anyone heard em? _________________________ The Kids Are Alright http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:06:19 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... In a message dated 8/16/01 12:49:45 PM, r_j_h@yahoo.com writes: > >Bauhaus - kind of slow at first, but really hit their >stride after "The Sky's Gone Out" hehe. you mean, they each hit their stride walking out the door! burning from the inside was all that followed, and the band was practically broken up by the time the record hit the stores. i think most of their best stuff was on singles and ep's throughout their 4 years. also, someone mentioned the first 3 love & rockets albums. i was/am a big fan of most everything bauhaus related, but i tried listening to the first 2 l&r albums recently, and after putting them away i thought to myself that i may never listen to them again. they really haven't held up well for me at all. paul c.d. p.s. virgin prunes-early work, up to and including "if i die, i die" is much better than what came after. doesn't hurt that it's produced by a certain colin newman either :o) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:52:40 -0500 From: "Heather ." Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... Actually I love all of the Bauhaus albums. You can really hear them evolve when you go from "Mask" to "Burning from the Inside", though for a long time "Sky's Gone Out" was my absolute favorite, particularly the songs "Spirit" and "Exquisite Corpse". Haven't had the oppurtunity yet to hear "Gotham" yet..For some reason, even though I like a lot of the L&R songs, I've always swayed more towards Peter Murphy's solo work. Truly, Heather >From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:06:19 EDT > >In a message dated 8/16/01 12:49:45 PM, r_j_h@yahoo.com writes: > > > > >Bauhaus - kind of slow at first, but really hit their > >stride after "The Sky's Gone Out" > >hehe. you mean, they each hit their stride walking out the door! burning >from >the inside was all that followed, and the band was practically broken up by >the time the record hit the stores. i think most of their best stuff was on >singles and ep's throughout their 4 years. > >also, someone mentioned the first 3 love & rockets albums. i was/am a big >fan >of most everything bauhaus related, but i tried listening to the first 2 >l&r >albums recently, and after putting them away i thought to myself that i may >never listen to them again. they really haven't held up well for me at all. > >paul c.d. > >p.s. virgin prunes-early work, up to and including "if i die, i die" is >much >better than what came after. doesn't hurt that it's produced by a certain >colin newman either :o) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:32:35 -0500 From: "Heather ." Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... Sort of, I think they put the single version of "Spirit" on the Crackle compilation, I love both versions. I'm still kicking myself for missing the Resurrection tour.. Btw..Has anyone seen the documentary "Urgh!A Music War"? Truly, Heather >From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com >To: ultratwist@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:22:27 EDT > > >In a message dated 8/16/01 11:52:51 PM, ultratwist@hotmail.com writes: > > > > >a long time "Sky's Gone Out" was my absolute favorite, particularly > > > >the songs "Spirit" > >do you have the single version of spirit? great stuff > >cheers, > >paul _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:23:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph S Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ants Good Evening! Pablo Picasso is indeed irresistable, ditto for Mohawk and 5 Guns West. Wonderful also had a merit or two, though the title track wasn't one of them. Angel, Vampires and, 1969 Again, however, I'm still quite fond of. (Too many commas in that sentence.) Adding to the continuing dialogue regarding artists whose best work came out first, there's still nothing like Dirk Wears White Sox (the original vinyl version, not the reissue that lacked Catholic Day). ~Joseph This evening's listening has included: Tabla Beat Science: Tala Matrix (a recent collaboration that includes Bill Laswell, Talvin Singh, and Zakir Hussain among others - too bleeping much!) Air: Moon Safari Radiohead: live at pinkpop 2001 (an excellent 90 minute MP3 - can anyone suggest some software that I could use to edit that into two parts for easy burning?) On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:21:38 -0500, Heather . wrote: | I haven't listened to Strip in awhile. Its sort of in the middle, not | the best but it has some good moments on it. Though its no "Prince | Charming" (how can anyone resist "Pablo Picasso visits the Planet of the | Apes"). The only Adam Ant record I can't handle is "Wonderful". Just | thinking of the title song, makes me wonder what went wrong. But it has | its fans, so perhaps its just me :) | | Truly, | Heather | - - - - - - - - - To feed men and not to love them is to treat them as if they were barnyard cattle. To love them and not respect them is to treat them as if they were household pets. -Mencius, philosopher (c. 380-289 BCE) _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:38:52 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... Heather asks btw has anyone seen Urgh! A Music War? Heather, not only have I seen it but...ahem...I'm in it! :) If anyone has seen it recently (it shows up on Ebay every now and then), I'm the guy up at the front of the pit at several of the shows. I think it shows me at about 6 or 7 shows. I'm the guy with the glasses (and I think I have a beard...it was many years and many substance abuses ago) at the front of the stage sorta milling about, bumping into folks and whatnot. My friends and I used to call it "swimming the human channel". When Urgh! came out it played at Filmex (used to be a really cool film exposition in LA back in the day - we'd go see the Sex Pistols Rock N Roll Swindle, Secret Policeman's Other Ball, Dance Craze, Rock N Roll High School, Decline Of Western Civilization, etc) and we all went to see it. Well that night I was the minorest of minor celebrities, but it was great fun being "recognized" by other people who went to see the film. I wore jeans, t-shirts, and tennis shoes before punk, during punk, and even now as I type this. I never "looked" the part and the angst of "mall punk" just cost too much money! To me it has always been about the music. Ok, enough of that before I start waxing poetic and sound like an old fart. Oops! Too late! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:41:29 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ants Yeah Dirk Wears White Sox, Whip in my Valise, and, of course, Young Parisians: "....young parisians are so french...they love patti smith..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:48:11 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bill Nelson I have this rather old Bill Nelson album called Northern Dream...has a real bluesy-folksy feel to it. Hard to reconcile it with Be-Bop Deluxe and Drastic Plastic... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:22:39 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] last night i mostly listened to: second run through for: Gregory Isaacs - Soon Forward Tapper Zukie - MPLA Antibalas Afrobeat Orch - Vol 1 ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 02:40:21 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... hmmm ... i'll have to dig up my copy (taped off the movie channel back in '87 or so) & give it another look-see. i saw the flick twice at the cinema in phoenix -- the first time must've been a preview showing to gauge audience response, as i recall that we were given questionnaires to fill out & that several of the acts included that day (invisible sex, maybe chelsea & joolz holland, almost certainly john cooper clarke, & maybe 4 or 5 others) weren't in the version that i saw several months later. all were restored in the movie channel version, though. some excellent performances, i thought, with the cramps, wall of voodoo, magazine & au pairs really sticking out in my memory. dan >Heather asks btw has anyone seen Urgh! A Music War? Heather, not only have >I seen it but...ahem...I'm in it! :) If anyone has seen it recently (it >shows up on Ebay every now and then), I'm the guy up at the front of the pit >at several of the shows. I think it shows me at about 6 or 7 shows. I'm the >guy with the glasses (and I think I have a beard...it was many years and many >substance abuses ago) at the front of the stage sorta milling about, bumping >into folks and whatnot. My friends and I used to call it "swimming the human >channel". When Urgh! came out it played at Filmex (used to be a really cool >film exposition in LA back in the day - we'd go see the Sex Pistols Rock N >Roll Swindle, Secret Policeman's Other Ball, Dance Craze, Rock N Roll High >School, Decline Of Western Civilization, etc) and we all went to see it. >Well that night I was the minorest of minor celebrities, but it was great fun >being "recognized" by other people who went to see the film. I wore jeans, >t-shirts, and tennis shoes before punk, during punk, and even now as I type >this. I never "looked" the part and the angst of "mall punk" just cost too >much money! To me it has always been about the music. Ok, enough of that >before I start waxing poetic and sound like an old fart. Oops! Too late! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 02:43:04 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... think how much worse you'd feel if you'd bought 2 tickets for the dallas show, 340 miles away, then had car trouble the afternoon before scuttle those plans. (the same damned thing tried to happen with the cure's 5/00 show in the same city, but this time i limped to a car rental place & took off without a moment to spare. four months later i had a new[er] car ... funny how that works.) dan >Sort of, I think they put the single version of "Spirit" on the Crackle > >compilation, I love both versions. I'm still kicking myself for missing > >the Resurrection tour.. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:46:14 -0700 (PDT) From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: [idealcopy] Re: (idealcopy) Poll... <> I was just watching Gotham on DVD. It's worth getting. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 03:06:30 -0500 From: "Heather ." Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... Well Dan, that does make me feel slightly better ;) Though I am sorry to hear about all that hassle you went through. Notice that your car will always act up in a situation like that, its not when you're just going out to get some milk and bread... - -Heather >From: "dan bailey" >To: "idealcopy" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 02:43:04 -0500 > >think how much worse you'd feel if you'd bought 2 tickets for the dallas >show, 340 miles away, then had car trouble the afternoon before scuttle >those plans. (the same damned thing tried to happen with the cure's 5/00 >show in the same city, but this time i limped to a car rental place & took >off without a moment to spare. four months later i had a new[er] car ... >funny how that works.) > >dan > > > >Sort of, I think they put the single version of "Spirit" on the Crackle > > > >compilation, I love both versions. I'm still kicking myself for missing > > > >the Resurrection tour.. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 03:16:34 -0500 From: "Heather ." Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... By far, my personal favorites from "Urgh!" are The Cramps, Wall of Voodoo, Au Pairs, John Otway, and Skafish. Though almost all of the bands shown are uniformly good. I'm hoping that maybe it will get a Dvd re-release, since a lot of previously out of print/unreleased films are getting distributed thanks partially to the excitement of the new format. Heather >From: "dan bailey" >To: "idealcopy" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 02:40:21 -0500 > >hmmm ... i'll have to dig up my copy (taped off the movie channel back in >'87 or so) & give it another look-see. i saw the flick twice at the cinema >in phoenix -- the first time must've been a preview showing to gauge >audience response, as i recall that we were given questionnaires to fill >out >& that several of the acts included that day (invisible sex, maybe chelsea >& >joolz holland, almost certainly john cooper clarke, & maybe 4 or 5 others) >weren't in the version that i saw several months later. all were restored >in >the movie channel version, though. > >some excellent performances, i thought, with the cramps, wall of voodoo, >magazine & au pairs really sticking out in my memory. > >dan > > > > >Heather asks btw has anyone seen Urgh! A Music War? Heather, not only >have > >I seen it but...ahem...I'm in it! :) If anyone has seen it recently (it > >shows up on Ebay every now and then), I'm the guy up at the front of the >pit > >at several of the shows. I think it shows me at about 6 or 7 shows. I'm >the > >guy with the glasses (and I think I have a beard...it was many years and >many > >substance abuses ago) at the front of the stage sorta milling about, >bumping > >into folks and whatnot. My friends and I used to call it "swimming the >human > >channel". When Urgh! came out it played at Filmex (used to be a really >cool > >film exposition in LA back in the day - we'd go see the Sex Pistols Rock >N > >Roll Swindle, Secret Policeman's Other Ball, Dance Craze, Rock N Roll >High > >School, Decline Of Western Civilization, etc) and we all went to see it. > >Well that night I was the minorest of minor celebrities, but it was great >fun > >being "recognized" by other people who went to see the film. I wore >jeans, > >t-shirts, and tennis shoes before punk, during punk, and even now as I >type > >this. I never "looked" the part and the angst of "mall punk" just cost >too > >much money! To me it has always been about the music. Ok, enough of >that > >before I start waxing poetic and sound like an old fart. Oops! Too >late! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 04:19:12 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... 1979 Santa Monica Civic Auditorium (later the site for some of the Urgh! concerts) my friend loses his 999 ticket IN HIS CAR! who the hell loses a ticket in their own car in the parking lot?? has to buy another ticket (and so there's a segue for a band that peaked early and flamed out..) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 04:21:22 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... this is one of the things I remember: we wanted Magazine so badly that we booed Wall Of Voodoo - Stan Ridgway, one of the all-time great voices in music...but then again...so is Howard Devoto... ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #252 *******************************