From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #251 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, August 16 2001 Volume 04 : Number 251 Today's Subjects: ----------------- AW: [idealcopy] poll.... [Woerner Frank ] Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire ["Heather] Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire [John Rob] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["Jerry Butson" ] AW: [idealcopy] poll.... [Woerner Frank ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["Jerry Butson" ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] [idealcopy] OT: Poll [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] peaked in the third season ["David McKenzie" ["David McKenzie" ] Re: [idealcopy] age ["Heather ." ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Poll ["Heather ." ] Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire ["Heather] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["Jerry Butson" ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire ["Mileta ] AW: [idealcopy] poll.... [Woerner Frank ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Poll [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] age [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] age ["ray\)\(o\)\(mac" ] [idealcopy] OT: Poll [Wireviews ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Poll [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] PJ Harvey & Moris Tepper [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= <] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["Jerry Butson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:57:27 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] poll.... >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: nsi4670000-Short [mailto:mshort@lucent.com] >Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. August 2001 09:42 >An: idealcopy@smoe.org >Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... > > >(Peaking early does seem to be an occupational hazard of a career in >"electronica".) Not only in "electronica" ... >Peaked early, troughed, then peaked late - XTC - first 2/3 >albums real good, >then they tailed off, but the last two Apple Venus outings are >worthwhile. I disagree here. IMHO their best was around album 4,5,6 The album where they pose in deep sea diving gear ( don't know the name at the moment ) and english settlement were the best ones. An example for a fantastic album #1 and #2 would be Roxy Music. All albums that came later were weaker and it ended as masscompatible charts-pop. FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 04:13:01 -0500 From: "Heather ." Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire Let me rephrase that, most Southern women don't traditionally listen to heavy metal (the glam/hair band off shoots don't count for obvious reasons) ;) Of course that's generalizing, which is always very dangerous. Most of the women I've known do not listen to heavy metal, excluding my Mom and one of my best friends (and myself on occasion). Actually that's an interesting point John. I can understand a lot of women being at a Saxon show, but I am a little surprised about the Motorhead one. I really can't speak for all women, I can only speak for myself. Personally, I love Wire. Truly, Heather >From: John Roberts >To: "Heather ." , CHRISWIRE@aol.com, >idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:29:20 -0700 (PDT) > >--- "Heather ." wrote: >What I was > > trying to point out is that music is more of > > individual thing than a > > gender thing, since traditionally, most women don't > > listen to heavy > > metal. > >You've got to be joking! There's my sister for >starters. For my sins I've seen a few HM bands e.g. >Motorhead, Sabbath. Plenty of women at these gigs. >The best/worst example would be seeing Saxon at the De >Mont in Leicester where there was a constant stream of >young ladies running up to kiss singer Biff Byford. >Imagine that at a Wire gig? > >John >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:31:27 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire Heather Not a problem...I'm still trying to get over admitting that I saw Saxon on the Wire list. 8-) Seriously tho, there are loads of women into HM in the UK. Is this a South/North thing over there? Mind you my sister was always a bit more of a Jethro Tull/Hawkwind kind of 'rock chick'. She did have a huge motorbike (don't ask me what sort - cars and bikes interest me not a jot) and used to frequent this annual festival in the midlands called The Bulldog Bash. These days you get the likes of the Stranglers and the Fall playing it but if you click here you'll get a taste of what HM culture can be like here: http://www.bulldog-bash.co.uk/ Cheers John - --- "Heather ." wrote: > Let me rephrase that, most Southern women don't > traditionally listen > > to heavy metal (the glam/hair band off shoots don't > count for obvious > > reasons) ;) Of course that's generalizing, which is > always very > > dangerous. Most of the women I've known do not > listen to heavy > > metal, excluding my Mom and one of my best friends > (and myself on > > occasion). > > Actually that's an interesting point John. I can > understand a lot > > of women being at a Saxon show, but I am a little > surprised about the > > Motorhead one. I really can't speak for all women, I > can only speak > > for myself. Personally, I love Wire. > > Truly, > Heather > > > >From: John Roberts > >To: "Heather ." , > CHRISWIRE@aol.com, > >idealcopy@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who > Like Boys Who Like Wire > >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:29:20 -0700 (PDT) > > > >--- "Heather ." wrote: > >What I was > > > trying to point out is that music is more of > > > individual thing than a > > > gender thing, since traditionally, most women > don't > > > listen to heavy > > > metal. > > > >You've got to be joking! There's my sister for > >starters. For my sins I've seen a few HM bands > e.g. > >Motorhead, Sabbath. Plenty of women at these gigs. > >The best/worst example would be seeing Saxon at the > De > >Mont in Leicester where there was a constant stream > of > >young ladies running up to kiss singer Biff Byford. > >Imagine that at a Wire gig? > > > >John > >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:21:13 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... > >Peaked early, troughed, then peaked late - XTC - first 2/3 > >albums real good, > >then they tailed off, but the last two Apple Venus outings are > >worthwhile. > > I disagree here. > IMHO their best was around album 4,5,6 > > The album where they pose in deep sea diving gear ( don't know > the name at the moment ) and english settlement were the best ones. Black Sea, Black Sea .... > > An example for a fantastic album #1 and #2 would be Roxy Music. > All albums that came later were weaker and it ended as masscompatible > charts-pop. Well, that is very well-known thing, but i must admit that i like almost all Roxy albums.. nice to listen.. Flesh & Blood in that segment best one.. But, what with bands with only one album and they dissapeared.. SCARS for example.. Author, Author is masterpiece and never heard about them.. i only know that singer has affait with Nico..and nothing more does is anyone more informed about Scars.. mileta ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:36:08 +0100 From: "Jerry Butson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... That's three of us, though I also rate Victorialand very highly and, bizarrely, Heaven or Las vegas. Have listened to it several times lately and it's SOO good. So I'm afraid I disgaree. They've been a little patchy but pretty consistent j - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mileta Okiljevic" To: Cc: "Mileta Okiljevic" Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... > > >I would say the Cocteau Twins in the first category. Their first few > > >albums and ep's were excellent. They went downhill after '84. > > > > i've always felt their strongest work to be from treasure through all the > > ep's that followed, up until love's easy tears and crushed (from lonely is > an > > eyesore). also, victorialand is an outstanding album. then they tapered > off a > > bit (heaven or las vegas there weakest, imo) until milk & kisses and all > the > > ep's around that time through the end (violane?). the absolute peak, for > me, > > is tiny dynamine/echoes in a shallow bay ep's and victorialand lp. > > there are two of us.. > i always thought that two EP's in same day ( Echoes/Tiny ) was their best.. > shame that i borrowed to some who wasn' t return tape from their gig after > Garlands.. > sound was fantastic ( direct from mix-pult ) and they were inspired.. > > > > swans-i think it's all good, but the peak is children of god. > > and those skin albums - shame humility revenge & blood women roses.. > > mileta ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:35:43 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] poll.... >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Mileta Okiljevic [mailto:baltazar@panet.bits.net] >Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. August 2001 12:21 >An: idealcopy@smoe.org >Cc: Mileta Okiljevic >Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... > > >But, what with bands with only one album and they dissapeared.. >SCARS for example.. >Author, Author is masterpiece and never heard about them.. >i only know that singer has affait with Nico..and nothing more >does is anyone more informed about Scars.. Yeah, sadly I don't own this album but I saw them live in Hamburg in the early eighties and all I do remember now is that is was a good concert ... Another example for a one album wonder would be the Cuban Heels or World at a glance ... never heard anything of them after the first record .. ;-(( FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:39:55 +0100 From: "Jerry Butson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... s'funny, you guys talk about Killing Joke more than the Killing Joke list I'm on. Most people on that list seem to have gotten into KJ with Night Time (which includes me) with some older jokers in there too. They haven't done a duff album though (unless you count Outside the Gate as a band release) j - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Strang" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... > I would say the Cocteau Twins in the first category. Their first few > albums and ep's were excellent. They went downhill after '84. > > I'm going to buck a trend here myself in the later category and say > Killing Joke. I thought Night Time and Brighter Than a Thousand Suns > were better than their first few. And yes, I do like their 90's albums. > > Eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:11:37 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... > s'funny, you guys talk about Killing Joke more than the Killing Joke list > I'm on. Most people on that list seem to have gotten into KJ with Night Time > (which includes me) with some older jokers in there too. They haven't done a > duff album though (unless you count Outside the Gate as a band release) > j funny thing is that i am some other lists, and on one one guy compared KJ with hevay metal band.. i answered on few words - what' s wrong with KJ !? and avalanche started.. then was funny situstion that people start " defend " ( like if there's need !!? ) KJ and it seems than people like KJ more than band about list was.. also, i am on Lycia mailing list ( anyone into Lycia - they' re best kept secret in 90's i adored them..) and when we talk about 80's influences Tara from band named KJ, JD, Wire as Mike's ( Lycia alpha & omega ) main influence with some ambiental and atmospheric things, people start talk about KJ.. personally, i was into KJ since beginning. Favourite one - What's This For !!! Brighter than a 1000 suns was so-so when i first heard, after some time became one of my favourite ones... mileta ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:16:45 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... > >But, what with bands with only one album and they dissapeared.. > >SCARS for example.. > >Author, Author is masterpiece and never heard about them.. > >i only know that singer has affait with Nico..and nothing more > >does is anyone more informed about Scars.. > > Yeah, sadly I don't own this album but I saw them live in > Hamburg in the early eighties and all I do remember now is > that is was a good concert ... Oooooh, you lucky guy... i have had flexi from ID-magazine with Yr.Attention Please live.. you must hear album.. masterpiece !! > > Another example for a one album wonder would be the Cuban Heels > or World at a glance ... never heard anything of them after the first > record .. ;-(( I remember in 80's owned one single from Cuban Heels , i cannot remember but had Liberty in name as i remember.. lookin' for album, but.. Well, you are from Germany..did you like Cure labelmates The Passions... I'm In Love With German Filmstar was perfect single, those guitars, that voice !! I expected that Fiction will became bigger label ( Cure, Passions, Associates ).. but it seems that Chris Parry decide to push Cure... It seeems to be good idea mileta > > > FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:22:21 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... > That's three of us, though I also rate Victorialand very highly and, > bizarrely, Heaven or Las vegas. Have listened to it several times lately and > it's SOO good. So I'm afraid I disgaree. They've been a little patchy but > pretty consistent > j It's so funny that musicians adore that Heaven Or Las Vegas album.. i read in MM Terry Hall from Coulour Field, Fun Boy 3 and Specials, and also Mark Kozelelek out of Red House Painters that HOLV was amongst their favourite 10 albums.. there was also few other mention about HOLV.. i like that one, as all of Cocteaus.. but must admit that phase when they were involved in This Mortal Coil stage of 4AD is mine favourite one.. from last one i like that Otherness & Twinlights EP's.. and BBC sessions, versions of songs from Milk & Kisses etc, etc are far better on BBC sesssions.. Did you hear Violet Indiana, i haven' t yet... I like solo of Simon Raymonde, nice tunes.. i like him since Drowning Craze band.. mileta ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 04:23:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Poll "i'd like everyone to give a few examples of bands/solo acts that gave us their best work with their first two or three albums..." Human League: First album: great in an odd sort of way. Everything else: a bit poo. Seefeel. (Well, kind of. I think the later albums aren't as good as the older stuff.) Dome: Well, in my opinion anyway. 1+2 beats 3+4 and Yclept, although I still like the others... TheThe: Good single with B+G. Shite thereafter! (Wow, nearly on-topic there for a bit...) In my opinion, Finitribe also bucked the trend, and got better with every album, but I seem to be the only person in the world that thinks that... From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com > Banco de Qaia - Iqizeh Obsidian still gives me the shivers. Great stuff. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:38:19 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: [idealcopy] peaked in the third season tho, i'm certain there are those on this list who dissagree, my fascination with the fall really picked up with 'this nation's saving grace' i can go back further now , but at the time of 'live at the witch trials' i was unconvinced, no matter how hard my roomate pressed the case. actually 'no bulbs' made the case, an' i went on backwards and forwards from there ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:40:08 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: [idealcopy] age >> My mother listened to heavy metal AND crappy AOR rock, >> like Toto when I was growing up >Heather you make me feel old.(I am old I suppose at 41) > The point being my mother listened to Jim Reeves & Frank Ifield me mum watched American Bandstand with Dick Clark when I was a toddler ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:49:00 -0500 From: "Heather ." Subject: Re: [idealcopy] age Oh you see that's very clever, since American Bandstand didn't go off the air till the late 80's ;D One episode I always wanted to see of AB was the one with Pil. The one with Adam and the Ants was pretty good (I'm a sucker for Burundi drumming). truly, Heather > >me mum watched American Bandstand with Dick Clark when I was a toddler _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:56:08 -0500 From: "Heather ." Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Poll I'd have to say the Bolshoi's first ep "Giants" and the next two lp's "Friends" and "Lindy's Party". There was supposed to be a brand new Bolshoi album coming out last year, but I haven't heard anything since , so who knows. Very underrated band though. - -Heather >From: Wireviews >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Poll >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 04:23:00 -0700 (PDT) > >"i'd like everyone to give a few examples of >bands/solo acts that gave us their best work with >their first two or three albums..." > >Human League: First album: great in an odd sort of >way. Everything else: a bit poo. > >Seefeel. (Well, kind of. I think the later albums >aren't as good as the older stuff.) > >Dome: Well, in my opinion anyway. 1+2 beats 3+4 and >Yclept, although I still like the others... > >TheThe: Good single with B+G. Shite thereafter! > >(Wow, nearly on-topic there for a bit...) > >In my opinion, Finitribe also bucked the trend, and >got better with every album, but I seem to be the only >person in the world that thinks that... > >From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com > > Banco de Qaia - Iqizeh > >Obsidian still gives me the shivers. Great stuff. > > > >===== >------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- >http://welcome.to/wireviews >News, reviews and dugga. > >VMU: http://listen.to/veer >SVA: http://welcome.to/snub >-------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:00:39 -0500 From: "Heather ." Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire That is incredibly weird that the Fall are going to play right on the same gig with the Wildhearts. Perhaps the US equivalent would be Husker Du playing on the same bill with Black Crowes (though both are good bands...I haven't actually heard the Wildheart, just heard of them)...One thing that's slightly peaked my curiousity, what qualifies as a "novelty act"? heather >From: John Roberts >To: "Heather ." >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 03:24:05 -0700 (PDT) > >Heather > >Yes, I can't really imagine Wire playing at the >Bulldog Bash can you? What surprises me is that the >Fall are playing there this year! > >Cheers > >John > >--- "Heather ." wrote: > > Wow, you really do learn something new every day. It > > seems like a lot > > > > of the women over here in the States are more into > > the hair bands like > > > > Poison or Motley Crue. Thanks for the incredible > > link. Not only does > > > > one get to see live bands but they can also get a > > topless bike/car > > > > wash. I guess they want to make sure that patrons > > really get there > > > > money's worth ;) > > > > -Heather > > > > > > >From: John Roberts > > >To: "Heather ." , > > idealcopy@smoe.org > > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who > > Like Boys Who Like Wire > > >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:31:27 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Heather > > > > > >Not a problem...I'm still trying to get over > > admitting > > >that I saw Saxon on the Wire list. 8-) > > > > > >Seriously tho, there are loads of women into HM in > > the > > >UK. Is this a South/North thing over there? Mind > > you > > >my sister was always a bit more of a Jethro > > >Tull/Hawkwind kind of 'rock chick'. She did have a > > >huge motorbike (don't ask me what sort - cars and > > >bikes interest me not a jot) and used to frequent > > this > > >annual festival in the midlands called The Bulldog > > >Bash. These days you get the likes of the > > Stranglers > > >and the Fall playing it but if you click here > > you'll > > >get a taste of what HM culture can be like here: > > > > > >http://www.bulldog-bash.co.uk/ > > > > > >Cheers > > > > > >John > > > > > > > > >--- "Heather ." wrote: > > > > Let me rephrase that, most Southern women don't > > > > traditionally listen > > > > > > > > to heavy metal (the glam/hair band off shoots > > don't > > > > count for obvious > > > > > > > > reasons) ;) Of course that's generalizing, which > > is > > > > always very > > > > > > > > dangerous. Most of the women I've known do not > > > > listen to heavy > > > > > > > > metal, excluding my Mom and one of my best > > friends > > > > (and myself on > > > > > > > > occasion). > > > > > > > > Actually that's an interesting point John. I can > > > > understand a lot > > > > > > > > of women being at a Saxon show, but I am a > > little > > > > surprised about the > > > > > > > > Motorhead one. I really can't speak for all > > women, I > > > > can only speak > > > > > > > > for myself. Personally, I love Wire. > > > > > > > > Truly, > > > > Heather > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: John Roberts > > > > > > >To: "Heather ." , > > > > CHRISWIRE@aol.com, > > > > >idealcopy@smoe.org > > > > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire > > Who > > > > Like Boys Who Like Wire > > > > >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:29:20 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > >--- "Heather ." wrote: > > > > >What I was > > > > > > trying to point out is that music is more of > > > > > > individual thing than a > > > > > > gender thing, since traditionally, most > > women > > > > don't > > > > > > listen to heavy > > > > > > metal. > > > > > > > > > >You've got to be joking! There's my sister for > > > > >starters. For my sins I've seen a few HM bands > > > > e.g. > > > > >Motorhead, Sabbath. Plenty of women at these > > gigs. > > > > >The best/worst example would be seeing Saxon at > > the > > > > De > > > > >Mont in Leicester where there was a constant > > stream > > > > of > > > > >young ladies running up to kiss singer Biff > > Byford. > > > > >Imagine that at a Wire gig? > > > > > > > > > >John > > > > >Make international calls for as low as > > $.04/minute > > > > with Yahoo! Messenger > > > > >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > > with Yahoo! Messenger > > >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:25:03 +0100 From: "Jerry Butson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... Care to tell us which list that was Mileta? Killing Joke are just the most underrated band. They were massively influential (cited by many much more successful bands as a major influence) and have always followed their own path. j > funny thing is that i am some other lists, and on one one guy compared KJ > with > hevay metal band.. > i answered on few words - what' s wrong with KJ !? and avalanche started.. > then was funny situstion that people start " defend " ( like if there's need > !!? ) KJ > and it seems than people like KJ more than band about list was.. > > also, i am on Lycia mailing list ( anyone into Lycia - they' re best kept > secret in > 90's i adored them..) and when we talk about 80's influences Tara from band > named KJ, JD, Wire as Mike's ( Lycia alpha & omega ) main influence with > some > ambiental and atmospheric things, people start talk about KJ.. > > personally, i was into KJ since beginning. Favourite one - What's This For > !!! > Brighter than a 1000 suns was so-so when i first heard, after some time > became > one of my favourite ones... > > mileta ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:45:09 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... > Care to tell us which list that was Mileta? Killing Joke are just the most > underrated band. They were massively influential (cited by many much more > successful bands as a major influence) and have always followed their own > path. > j yes.. that was Comsat Angels list.. thankfully to that list i am on Wire list.. some people demand to talk MUST just be about Comsats.. and they are disbanded so much time ago.. so Mark gaves such ahonour about Wire list, that i decide to join.. i enjoy sometime trip down the memory lane on Comsat list, but this one is really best one.. i am also on Modern Eon list, similar like this one, and we also mentioned them (KJ ) there.. As influence KJ are one of the best.. Metallica for example, ha, ha ... but many bands use that guitar sound to build their own sound.. Did you hear Lycia !? Mike in one interview in Alternative Press pointed finger in Killing Joke as one of his main influence near JD, and in some other occasion Tara said that they cannot stop humming " that Wire song " !! And some band take a name from their song..Love Like Blood, etc.. rgds, mileta ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:52:19 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire > That is incredibly weird that the Fall are going to play right > > on the same gig with the Wildhearts. Perhaps the US equivalent would > > be Husker Du playing on the same bill with Black Crowes (though both > > are good bands...I haven't actually heard the Wildheart, just heard of > > them)...One thing that's slightly peaked my curiousity, what qualifies > > as a "novelty act"? > > heather in fact i think in " real life " Wildheart heard more Husker Du records than Fall are willing to listen Husker Du.. Husker Du..such a band !! Btw, i am not surprised that Fall playing there.. i like Fall (Dragnet, Live At..,and that trilogy are my favourite ), but after all i think that cousin Mark ( as Robert Smith will say..) enjoy his manipulator role !! will he take his megaphone with him.. what will John Peel said.. I cannot remember where it was, but i saw one of his interviews, i think on MTV 120 minutes with title below.. unless, not any person outside UK cannot understans what he said brilliant, ha, ha.. mileta > > > >From: John Roberts > >To: "Heather ." > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire > >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 03:24:05 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Heather > > > >Yes, I can't really imagine Wire playing at the > >Bulldog Bash can you? What surprises me is that the > >Fall are playing there this year! > > > >Cheers > > > >John > > > >--- "Heather ." wrote: > > > Wow, you really do learn something new every day. It > > > seems like a lot > > > > > > of the women over here in the States are more into > > > the hair bands like > > > > > > Poison or Motley Crue. Thanks for the incredible > > > link. Not only does > > > > > > one get to see live bands but they can also get a > > > topless bike/car > > > > > > wash. I guess they want to make sure that patrons > > > really get there > > > > > > money's worth ;) > > > > > > -Heather > > > > > > > > > >From: John Roberts > > > >To: "Heather ." , > > > idealcopy@smoe.org > > > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who > > > Like Boys Who Like Wire > > > >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:31:27 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > >Heather > > > > > > > >Not a problem...I'm still trying to get over > > > admitting > > > >that I saw Saxon on the Wire list. 8-) > > > > > > > >Seriously tho, there are loads of women into HM in > > > the > > > >UK. Is this a South/North thing over there? Mind > > > you > > > >my sister was always a bit more of a Jethro > > > >Tull/Hawkwind kind of 'rock chick'. She did have a > > > >huge motorbike (don't ask me what sort - cars and > > > >bikes interest me not a jot) and used to frequent > > > this > > > >annual festival in the midlands called The Bulldog > > > >Bash. These days you get the likes of the > > > Stranglers > > > >and the Fall playing it but if you click here > > > you'll > > > >get a taste of what HM culture can be like here: > > > > > > > >http://www.bulldog-bash.co.uk/ > > > > > > > >Cheers > > > > > > > >John > > > > > > > > > > > >--- "Heather ." wrote: > > > > > Let me rephrase that, most Southern women don't > > > > > traditionally listen > > > > > > > > > > to heavy metal (the glam/hair band off shoots > > > don't > > > > > count for obvious > > > > > > > > > > reasons) ;) Of course that's generalizing, which > > > is > > > > > always very > > > > > > > > > > dangerous. Most of the women I've known do not > > > > > listen to heavy > > > > > > > > > > metal, excluding my Mom and one of my best > > > friends > > > > > (and myself on > > > > > > > > > > occasion). > > > > > > > > > > Actually that's an interesting point John. I can > > > > > understand a lot > > > > > > > > > > of women being at a Saxon show, but I am a > > > little > > > > > surprised about the > > > > > > > > > > Motorhead one. I really can't speak for all > > > women, I > > > > > can only speak > > > > > > > > > > for myself. Personally, I love Wire. > > > > > > > > > > Truly, > > > > > Heather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: John Roberts > > > > > > > > >To: "Heather ." , > > > > > CHRISWIRE@aol.com, > > > > > >idealcopy@smoe.org > > > > > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire > > > Who > > > > > Like Boys Who Like Wire > > > > > >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:29:20 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > > >--- "Heather ." wrote: > > > > > >What I was > > > > > > > trying to point out is that music is more of > > > > > > > individual thing than a > > > > > > > gender thing, since traditionally, most > > > women > > > > > don't > > > > > > > listen to heavy > > > > > > > metal. > > > > > > > > > > > >You've got to be joking! There's my sister for > > > > > >starters. For my sins I've seen a few HM bands > > > > > e.g. > > > > > >Motorhead, Sabbath. Plenty of women at these > > > gigs. > > > > > >The best/worst example would be seeing Saxon at > > > the > > > > > De > > > > > >Mont in Leicester where there was a constant > > > stream > > > > > of > > > > > >young ladies running up to kiss singer Biff > > > Byford. > > > > > >Imagine that at a Wire gig? > > > > > > > > > > > >John > > > > > >Make international calls for as low as > > > $.04/minute > > > > > with Yahoo! Messenger > > > > > >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > > > with Yahoo! Messenger > > > >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:14:41 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] poll.... >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Mileta Okiljevic [mailto:baltazar@panet.bits.net] >Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. August 2001 13:17 >An: idealcopy@smoe.org >Cc: Mileta Okiljevic >Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... >> >> Another example for a one album wonder would be the Cuban Heels >> or World at a glance ... never heard anything of them after the first >> record .. ;-(( > >I remember in 80's owned one single from Cuban Heels , i >cannot remember >but had Liberty in name as i remember.. >lookin' for album, but.. Yes, "liberty" is on the album ... and if I remember it right they had a somewhat scottish appeal ... >Well, you are from Germany..did you like Cure labelmates The >Passions... >I'm In Love With German Filmstar was perfect single, those >guitars, that >voice !! I own the album with this song on it. I've heard it on a john Peel show on BFBS which was the only possibility to hear about "new" and "strange" music in Germany in the early eighties. I always recorded his show and went buying all music that sounded interesting. Bands that come to mind are: Girls at our best, oxy & the morons, fire engines, pale fountains, and so on ... FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:28:34 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Poll In a message dated 8/16/01 6:25:15 AM Central Daylight Time, wireviews@yahoo.com writes: << "i'd like everyone to give a few examples of bands/solo acts that gave us their best work with their first two or three albums..." Human League: First album: great in an odd sort of way. Everything else: a bit poo.>>>>>>>>>>> i would have to say that the first two; Travelogue and Reproduction were both great!...the other stuff was so-so.... Seefeel. (Well, kind of. I think the later albums aren't as good as the older stuff.)>>>>>>actually i just listened to the last Seefeel album (CH-Vox on Rephlex label) and i think all their material is great because it varies so much.....the middle album sounds like Tri Repetae era Autechre...great stuff Dome: Well, in my opinion anyway. 1+2 beats 3+4 and Yclept, although I still like the others...>>>>>>>>i like ALL the Gilbert & Lewis projects...Dome...Duet Emmo...MZUI..P'O...etc...I think they are are weirdly wonderful TheThe: Good single with B+G. Shite thereafter!>>>>>>NO WAY! i disagree....have you ever listened to Soul Mining?....it is amazing...Matt Johnson is quite a talent..i wish they would finally release the first lp The Pornography of Despair...as promised (Wow, nearly on-topic there for a bit...) In my opinion, Finitribe also bucked the trend, and got better with every album, but I seem to be the only person in the world that thinks that......>>>>>>yes, i think you are the only person who believes that (lol) although the 808 state mix of Forevergreen was a corker ... From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com > Banco de Qaia - Iqizeh Obsidian still gives me the shivers. Great stuff. >>>>>>>>>>>Obsidian by Psychick Warriors Ov Gaia???? The full length by them called Ov Biospheres and Sacred Grooves is a magnificent album...as are the off shoot albums by Exquisite Corpse ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:30:00 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] age ya know....i hate to admit it but i actually like the Strip album by Adam and the Ants.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:35:02 -0500 From: "ray\)\(o\)\(mac" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] age i make no such admissions ;) > ya know....i hate to admit it but i actually like the Strip album by Adam and > the Ants.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:36:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Poll - --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > In my opinion, Finitribe also bucked the trend, and > got better with every album, but I seem to be the > only > person in the world that thinks > that...... >>>>>>yes, i think you are the > only person who believes that (lol) Can't stand the really early stuff. Kind of like 'Unexpected', but thought the last two albums were great. Go figure :) > From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com > > Banco de Qaia - Iqizeh > > Obsidian still gives me the shivers. Great stuff. > >>>>>>>>>>>Obsidian by Psychick Warriors Ov > Gaia???? Er, as in 'Obsidian' by Banco de Gaia == second track on Igizeh... C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:41:28 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Poll In a message dated 8/16/01 9:38:54 AM Central Daylight Time, wireviews@yahoo.com writes: << Er, as in 'Obsidian' by Banco de Gaia == second track on Igizeh... >> oh ok...sorry....that's funny..because i was just thinking of selling or trading all my Banco DeGaia...i have a lot of the early stuff...cds and cd singles.... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:47:53 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] PJ Harvey & Moris Tepper Presumably support on the upcoming PJH tour is from guitarist of the Magic Band from Bat Chain Puller thru to Ice Cream For Crow (3 of the best albums ever made). This is reason enough for me to go to the gig so could you post me the details about the Manchester gig off list Paul? Thanks, Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:05:02 +0100 From: "Jerry Butson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... Ah ha! Comsat Angels get talked about occasionally on the KJ list too. Haven't heard of Lycia, any idea where I can hear MP3s etc? Other bands influenced by KJ that spring to mind: Nirvana/Foo Fighters, 1919, Course of Empire, Faith No More... Before I piss you all off further I would take this off list but my e-mails to Mileta just bounce so please bear with me as I send this, mainly for Mileta but please all take note of the final sentence and, if interested, reply to me off list: "Thought I'd reply off list as there's absolutely no Wire in this thread! I didn't know that Jim Kerr liked Genesis. I do too but don't usually tell anyone for fear of reprisals. The cat's out of the bag! You're right about "The Thorn" E.P. They must have been the first 'punk'/'new wave' band to use strings (apart, maybe, from Marc & the Mambas). The first version of "Overground" I heard was from The Thorn and the original was a disappointment after that. I played some early Simple Minds to someone at work who had only heard their later stuff ("Don't You Forget About Me" and after) but it still failed to convince her (even though she's into Can, Kraftwerk etc.) The last I heard of Derek Forbes was briefly rejoining Simple Minds (I think maybe on the "Neopolis" album) and before that on Propaganda's second album. I remember how exciting was the prospect of Propaganda with Derek Forbes, then I was pretty disappointed. I'll have to check some SM web sites for news. You seem to have a taste for music much like my own. I'm currently setting up a label to re-release some hard to find music from the 1980s. Currently I'm planning releases by Shriekback, Fashion, SPK & Gina X Performance. Do you have any albums you'd really like to see released on CD? jerry - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mileta Okiljevic" To: Cc: "Mileta Okiljevic" Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... > > Care to tell us which list that was Mileta? Killing Joke are just the most > > underrated band. They were massively influential (cited by many much more > > successful bands as a major influence) and have always followed their own > > path. > > j > > yes.. > that was Comsat Angels list.. > thankfully to that list i am on Wire list.. > some people demand to talk MUST just be about Comsats.. > and they are disbanded so much time ago.. > so Mark gaves such ahonour about Wire list, that i decide to join.. > i enjoy sometime trip down the memory lane on Comsat list, but this > one is really best one.. > > i am also on Modern Eon list, similar like this one, and we also mentioned > them (KJ ) there.. > > > As influence KJ are one of the best.. > Metallica for example, ha, ha ... > but many bands use that guitar sound to build their own sound.. > > Did you hear Lycia !? > Mike in one interview in Alternative Press pointed finger in Killing Joke as > one > of his main influence near JD, and in some other occasion Tara said that > they > cannot stop humming " that Wire song " !! > > And some band take a name from their song..Love Like Blood, etc.. > > rgds, > mileta - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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