From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #249 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, August 16 2001 Volume 04 : Number 249 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Where is Derek Forbes now ? [Woerner Frank ] [idealcopy] sex symbols... ["ian jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] sex symbols... [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire ["Heather] [idealcopy] poll.... [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... [eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang)] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire [CHRISWIR] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire ["dan bai] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] my poor dog.... ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] poll.... ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] my poor dog.... ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] [idealcopy] last night i mostly listened to: [kevin eden ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:35:02 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: [idealcopy] Where is Derek Forbes now ? >> Where's Derek Forbes now? > >Yes, where is he now !! > >mileta He was involved in the second Propaganda album and there was some talk about a third one last year. FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:04:12 +0100 From: timrobinson@cwcom.net Subject: RE: [idealcopy] new aphex twin track I must say I'm a little underwhelmed by it. Aphex stuff usually sounds pretty peerless but this one sounds very similar to the cut-up breakbeat stuff that Squarepusher did on his last LP. Still there are 30 tracks on that new LP so theres bound to be some more interesting stuff on there. Persevere with Tri Repetae though. I couldn't make sense of it when I first heard it I thought it was rather cold and incoherent. But like all Ae stuff it rewards regular return visits, preferably through headphones, and two or three years later I decided it was an excellent record. >Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:52:32 -0400 >From: "Eric Klaver" > > >Wow! Much better than the Autechre CD I bought a week ago (tri repetae). I >am going to listen to it three more times in the car and then pass >judgement. > >Eric in Toronto ///////////////////////// >hello ideal copyists...if anyone is interested here is the address for a 5 >minute snippet of one of the new Aphex Twin tracks from the new double >album: >Drukqs...due on October 22nd... >http://easylink.playstream.com/warpstream/01.rm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:38:34 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my poor dog.... In a message dated 8/14/01 3:39:20 PM Central Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << my condolences. dan >> I would like to thank all of you for the kind words...i really appreciate it...to some it would seem silly for me be upset over a dog, but that little guy was a part of the family......thanks again for the kindness...... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:42:58 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] new aphex twin track In a message dated 8/15/01 5:04:58 AM Central Daylight Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: << I must say I'm a little underwhelmed by it. Aphex stuff usually sounds pretty peerless but this one sounds very similar to the cut-up breakbeat stuff that Squarepusher did on his last LP.>>> yes it does sound similiar...and not all that great..... <<> yes, but that also worries me....quality control is lacking at times with a lot of electronic artists.....remember selected ambient works 2?...that could have easily been pruned down to a single disc and would have worked quite nicely.....as a matter of fact the lp was so long that EVEN with a double cd we still got screwed out of the best track...which surfaced on Excursions in Ambience (Astralwerks) #3 or 4 i believe...... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:51:19 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night i mostly listened to: In a message dated 8/15/01 2:26:08 AM Central Daylight Time, wmouk@yahoo.com writes: << I Roy - Musical Shark Attack Gregory Isaacs - Soon Forward Tapper Zukie - MPLA Johnny Clarke - Authorised Version >> what a coincidence...i was listening to a little reggae myself this morning : Ras Michael and the Sons of Negus - "Love Thy Neighbor" (they do a version of London Bridge is Falling Down..lol) Susan Cadogan - "Hurt So Good" (what a sexy voice! top notch production by Lee Perry ..and a rendition of "In the Ghetto"..pretty strange but cool.... Jah Lion - Columbia Colly Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:50:19 EDT From: Hatsephsut@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my poor dog.... >i just recieved the unfortunate news that my dog Dee Dee just passed >away.. >> > >Robert >> very sorry to hear that. my youngest dog (who's blind) turned 13 last month, & my oldest (who's deaf, & who had surgery last month, though luckily he was able to get by with a local anesthetic) will turn 15 next month, so i'm even aware of their impending fates than i might otherwise be. my condolences. dan>> My condolences too - so sorry - don't feel silly for feeling so badly - I know when I split with my ex my dog was already 13 or so and not doing so well - I used to think "THIS will kill me - don't mind losing the ex so much, but not the dog PLEASE" - she lasted another 2 years, for which I'm very grateful, but in the end it was the same as your dog - tumors and not being able to take the surgery - my kids still cry about losing her, but they've recovered very nicely from the divorce - and I have to say, as much as I worry about my good friend Dan here, and all the things that he goes through, it's the thought that we're so far apart if anything happens to his dogs that I worry about most - unbelievable isn't it how we feel about them? - suppose it has something to do with the unconditional love and loyalty - they take so little and give so much - and they're always there, just waiting and accepting love - anyway, I've gone off on a ramble and all I meant to say was sorry to hear it, it's so sad, we understand and we're with you on this one Laurel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:15:05 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Jim Kerr Sectioned under Throbbing Gristle Act > Peek-a-boo? ////you know i thought at least with that single they were trying to get away from the goth/fx pedal template. i'd put that as one of the better later releases > I'd say you could probably compile a good 45 minutes from Elastica's output. ////i'd agree there. still say it was nice to see wire riffs in the top 10 eventually..... > Which is more than can be said for many other Britpop also-rans. Sleeper's > greatest hits anyone? ////i'm still amazed her solo career never took off , she seemed such a great talent :-( > > >>Didn't Siouxsie invent goth though?<< > > The usual suspects - Siouxsie (big hair, songs in 3/4 time eg Staircase). > Dave Vanian (looked like Dracula). Bauhaus (songs about Dracula). Fat Bob > (big hair, make-up. General air of misery) Birthday Party, Cramps, Dave > Bowie, Screamin' Jay Hawkins etc... //// funny that siouxsie was incredibly influential fashion-wise but i'm struggling to think of many bands who actually tried to sound like the banshees. the 4 bands who influenced all the mid-80's goths were bauhaus/killing joke/theatre of hate/uk decay. all of whom would have died before admitting any respect for big label turns like siouxsie and fat bob. > I don't think anyone invented Goth. It was just a mutant strain of punk, that > harked back to glam. ////and iggy > One of the problems with the Cure is that they achieved megastardom, so one > tends to overlook the artistic merit of their early work. ////a lot of the class of 78/79 ended up putting out a pretty samey album every year to the same fanbase (siouxsie/pil/cure/stranglers etc) and gradually watering down their cred. what you need to do of course is release 3 classic albums then retreat.... p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:54:48 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] tv eye this weeks TOTP2 has the associates doing club country. but stand by with the off button cos they follow it with our ol' mate phil's "another day in tax exile". p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:18:35 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Mark Bursa you dirty rat! hahahhaha how silly of me to think that i could snare that Cupol 12" on ebay uncontested!...concratulations you sly dog....outbid me with seconds left... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:44:07 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mark Bursa you dirty rat! oops...congratulations....i hate when i type too fast and make silly mistakes auch as that ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 11:58:57 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire "Colin always said he thought it sad Wire didn't have more female fans. " Funny topic this... I remember Wire being one of the main common interests on the first "date" I had with my girlfriend, some 7 years ago... "You're male, educated, clean, and you're a completist." Damn! Caught in the act! Cheers [missing] Bart van Damme bartvandamme@home.nl www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 10:31:05 +0200 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: [idealcopy] Corbijn & Pink Flag concert "I adore Corbijn when he was working with NME decades ago. Stefan De Batselier is also good one, and take a photos of Wire if i can recall..." Some time ago Anton Corbijn had a great exhibition in his birth-town [and my hometown] Groningen at the Groninger Museum www.groninger-museum.nl in the northern part of the Netherlands... The opening by his good friend Bono caused quit a stirr in our little city... "Here the announcement of an ideal Pink Flag copy evening in Vera, Groningen, Netherlands. Should be there the 8th of august. 5 men are trying to bring back the Pink Flag-emotions. They are playing the complete album on their way." Yesterday I went to the basement of the Vera club [also in Groningen] where some Wire-loving old-timers covered the whole of the PINK FLAG album.........."wich-was-nice" Thnx for the tip, Jan J. Noorda... Where you also there? At Ex Lion Tamer one of their amps broke down and after some 20 min. they started the set all over again. The sound was actually quite good. The only thing I really missed was a high-pitched shreeking Colin... This singer's testicles obviously descended WAY too much for this job. Of course the "crowd" were waiting for their punk-anthems to pogo to... oh well... Though packed like sardines in a sauna I had a pretty good time. This is your correspondent running out of ehm... Bart van Damme bartvandamme@home.nl www.bartvandamme.com [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of kiedis2.jpg"; x-mac-creator="3842494D"; x-mac-type="4A504547] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:43:29 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] Durutti Column RLynn>>could anyone give their suggestions on the essential Durutti Column cds to own?...... The one called 'Vini Reilly' is very nice... (very, very nice) A ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:33:02 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] analog v digital DaveMack>>when lp's roamed the earth haha nice one dmack... my favourite so far has got to be 'Johnny Hodges & his Orchestra - In a Tender Mood' p.s. the way my posts are bouncing these days by the time you read this everyone will have forgotten what I'm on about where is Wire group? later A ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:26:21 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] re:Academy PaulR>> is it much of a venue?) Paul it's a fine venue in the traditional style... in size comparable with the Astoria or the Forum but better than either IMhO Standing downstairs, with a decent rake so views are pretty good all round... seated balcony upstairs, which is where I usually head these days... Unusually in these times, smoking's allowed and you can take your drinks in from the bar Saw Nick Cave there recently and thought it's nice to experience a 'big' gig once in awhile what with the light/sound spectacle... mind you the Bad Seeds have always done it live, for me.. aren't gigs getting pricey these days though? I expect PJH will be at least 20 of your english pounds When are wire boys coming out to play? ah well... later A ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:11:27 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] tv eye >this weeks TOTP2 has the associates doing club country missed that one...but...after dear old Phil, i was immediately transported back to a caravan site in Polperro, Cornwall, this time, 24 years ago. saw my first 'proper punk' and found 'Go Buddy Go/Peaches' on the club juke-box. drove the staff round the bend by constantly playing 'G.B.G.' at full blast interspersed with odd play of 'Peaches'. they stopped me altogether in the end, despite me pumping a small fortune into the 'jukey'..aaahhhhh, halcyon days...*sniff*... 'Boooggieeeee'...ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:17:17 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] sex symbols... >Susan Cadogan - "Hurt So Good" (what a sexy voice! sexy voice?!?! sexy full stop, mate. have you seen any pictures of her from that time? rrrrraaaawwwwwrrrrrr... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:38:04 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] sex symbols... oh yes mate....she's on the back and front cover....mmmmmmm Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:49:34 -0500 From: "Heather ." Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire I originally posted to this topic a week ago, but either hotmail was acting dodgy or I didn't notice it go up. Sorry either way. Personally as a female, I can't say way there aren't a lot of obvious females that are Wire fans. I've never viewed music as gender specific, with few small exceptions, such as Holly Near, Cris Williamson or on the oppisote end of the spectrum, 2 live Crew. But there are exceptions to every rule. My mother listened to heavy metal AND crappy AOR rock, like Toto when I was growing up. I don't think gender has ever played a part in my tastes in any sort of art form ever. Just my two cents fellows... Truly, Heather >From: "bartvandamme@home" >To: >Subject: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire >Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 11:58:57 +0200 > >"Colin always said he thought it sad Wire >didn't have more female fans. " > >Funny topic this... >I remember Wire being one of the main common interests on the first "date" >I >had with my girlfriend, some 7 years ago... > >"You're male, educated, >clean, and you're a completist." > >Damn! Caught in the act! > >Cheers [missing] > > >Bart van Damme > >bartvandamme@home.nl >www.bartvandamme.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:51:05 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] poll.... i'd like everyone to give a few examples of bands/solo acts that gave us their best work with their first two or three albums...as well as a list of others who didn't peak til much later.....to get things rolling just off the top of my head a couple of examples in my opinion would be: OMD - first three albums were by far the best...then they went a bit to poppishly mainstream (though i like that stuff too) Fad Gadget - definately true especially the first two albums Depeche Mode - buck the trend....in my opinion their best didn't come until around the fourth or fifth album...Black Celebration/Music For the Masses/Violator..... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:13:50 -0700 (PDT) From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... I would say the Cocteau Twins in the first category. Their first few albums and ep's were excellent. They went downhill after '84. I'm going to buck a trend here myself in the later category and say Killing Joke. I thought Night Time and Brighter Than a Thousand Suns were better than their first few. And yes, I do like their 90's albums. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:22:58 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... YES! i agree (about Killing Joke)...i get attacked all the time because i love Brighter Than a Thousand Suns....... i like all the Cocteau Twins stuff though...like the first album; Garlands, the least though Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:28:41 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... In a message dated 15/08/01 21:52:37 GMT Daylight Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > i'd like everyone to give a few examples of bands/solo acts that gave us > their best work with their first two or three albums...as well as a list of > others who didn't peak til much later.. Well Robert I would imagine that the vast majority would have their best work viewed in the first 3 albums.It's those albums after all that get the band or solo artist on the map so to speak & fans will always have fond memories of the early years & be biased towards that period,rather than later taking an objective view at the overall work through the years. Surely the ultimate artists who peaked later were the Beatles ? I haven't posted a list recently - (do you care ?).I hope so cos in my face has been; Mogwai - 7" of Black Sabbaths -Sweet Leaf ( primeval grunge great grate) Dinosaur Jr 10" - Start Choppin -Way underated band IMHO Squarepusher- Music Is Rotted One Note -First try & I Like It Team Doyobi -8 track CD Great titles eg Pushchairs for grown ups & Kittendevelopment - will get more plays Banco de Qaia - Iqizeh Bill Nelson - a catalogue of obsessions - 1984 Bill in Cocteau mode Boards Of Canada - Music Has The Right To Children -Best CD I've heard this year. Michael O'Shea - I don't know whether praise has been mentioned about the packaging of this CD but it's a fine tribute to the man. Mouse On Mars -Cache Coeur Naif Plaid - Undoneson & NP Plaid - Double Figure -this is just out & ICers this is mighty !! Do yourself justice & purchase or steal or get it somehow. I also bought a promo copy of Outdoor Miner on e-bay for 3 quid.It's exactly the same as another black vinyl copy I have except it has "Demo Record Not For Sale" on it.Why did I buy it ? Are you like me & want everything by them ? Oh & yes where are the Wiremen. Cheers Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:30:22 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire In a message dated 15/08/01 21:51:31 GMT Daylight Time, ultratwist@hotmail.com writes: > My mother listened to heavy metal AND crappy AOR rock, > > like Toto when I was growing up Heather you make me feel old.(I am old I suppose at 41) The point being my mother listened to Jim Reeves & Frank Ifield ! Lordy Cheers Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:36:05 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... In a message dated 8/15/01 4:28:41 PM Central Daylight Time, CHRIS WIRE writes: << Squarepusher- Music Is Rotted One Note -First try & I Like It >> i was supposed to see squarepusher live (with Mira Calix and Plaid) this coming friday night in Chicago...but alas, he is ill and will not make the trip...maybe i will go see Plaid anyway....They are wonderful..i have enjoyed their stuff all the way back to their days as part of Black Dog Productions Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:51:29 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... i'd probably change my mind if i really sat & thought about it (but where's the fun in that?), but offhand, i can think of only a handful of bands who even equaled, much less surpassed, their first or 2nd lp -- wire, of course the fall (whose best albums range, for me, from witch trials to grotesque to wonderful & frightening, this nation's, bend sinister, frenz, selflish, infotainment, light user & unutterable, thereby covering the late '70s to whenever unutterable came out ... 2000?) the cure (porn being even better than 17 secs) red lorry yellow lorry, of all people (talk about the weather & paint your wagon each featured some great tracks, but for me only blow hangs together as an album) naked raygun (jettison & understand work better for me than throb throb or all rise) prince (peaked with his 5th & 6th albums, 1999 & purple rain, though their immediate predecessors, dirty mind & controversy, certainly pointed the way) pulp -- after a few personnel overhauls (something the fall's mark e smith undertakes every few months, it seems, which may explain the above listing), jarvis cocker hit paydirt after about 10 years with his'n'hers & common people (though separations is not without its merits). the '60s were different times in more ways than one, which may explain why virtually all the big names -- dylan, beatles, stones, etc -- made quantum leaps in the course of no more than 3 or 4 years ... possibly because, back then, during that period they'd have released 5 or 6 lp's. & then, of course, we have the special cases -- bands that completely overhauled their sound after a few years, with exceptional (to my ears, at least) results. the mekons fall into that boat (they now seem to have gotten into a pattern of overhauling their sound every *album*), as do chumbawamba. ditto for frank tovey. oh, yeah ... wire, too. atv, even (i vastly prefer the poppish strange kicks to anything other than their early singles). dan >i'd like everyone to give a few examples of bands/solo acts that gave us >their best work with their first two or three albums...as well as a list of >others who didn't peak til much later.....to get things rolling just off the >top of my head a couple of examples in my opinion would be: > >OMD - first three albums were by far the best...then they went a bit to >poppishly mainstream (though i like that stuff too) > >Fad Gadget - definately true especially the first two albums > >Depeche Mode - buck the trend....in my opinion their best didn't come until >around the fourth or fifth album...Black Celebration/Music For the >Masses/Violator..... > >Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:01:47 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire didn't someone else refer to being 41 a few days ago (perhaps i'm thinking of another list, though this is the only one i pay any attention to anymore)? mind you, i'll be graduating to 42 in a month. talk about feeling old -- while talking with my shrink today about the remarkably liberating effect that discovering punk in general & the pistols in particular had on me at 18, she noted that her son is heavily into punk but regards the original bands as historical artifacts. he's a mere 26, after all. *sigh* with only a couple of exceptions, i don't really remember anything in particular that my mother listened to, other than lawrence fucking welk every saturday evening on tv. but i was a bit taken aback while lifting weights at the y the other day to hear the oldies station play a track she *did* dote on -- the new christy minstrels' winchester cathedral. save me, please ... now, if they play the only single i remember her ever buying, the anita kerr quartet's waiting for the evening training, i'll jump out of my skin. she also recounted fond memories of songs like pistol packin' mama & flat flat floogie with the floy floy from her adolescent days ... i haven't heard those, but i daresay they weren't exactly toto (surely a finalist for worst band ever, right down there with the eagles, little rhythm band, ad nauseum). dan >In a message dated 15/08/01 21:51:31 GMT Daylight Time, >ultratwist@hotmail.com writes: > > >> My mother listened to heavy metal AND crappy AOR rock, >> >> like Toto when I was growing up > >Heather you make me feel old.(I am old I suppose at 41) > The point being my mother listened to Jim Reeves & Frank Ifield ! > Lordy > Cheers Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:09:58 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... In a message dated 15/08/01 22:55:23 GMT Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > red lorry yellow lorry, of all people (talk about the weather & paint your > wagon each featured some great tracks, but for me only blow hangs together > as an album) > > Respect Dan respect. Great band & great live too.Again way underatted.Like Kitchens Of Distinction & from the same town of Leeds I believe. Paint Your Wagon is just a terrific LP.Turned up really loud it has the power to frighten. Cheers Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:11:00 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my poor dog.... >>i just recieved the unfortunate news that my dog Dee Dee just passed > >away.. >> > >> >>Robert > >>> very sorry to hear that. my youngest dog (who's blind) turned 13 last >month, > & my oldest (who's deaf, & who had surgery last month, though luckily he was > able to get by with a local anesthetic) will turn 15 next month, so i'm even > aware of their impending fates than i might otherwise be. my condolences. > > dan>> > >My condolences too - so sorry - don't feel silly for feeling so badly - I >know when I split with my ex my dog was already 13 or so and not doing so >well - I used to think "THIS will kill me - don't mind losing the ex so much, >but not the dog PLEASE" - she lasted another 2 years, for which I'm very >grateful, but in the end it was the same as your dog - tumors and not being >able to take the surgery - my kids still cry about losing her, but they've >recovered very nicely from the divorce - and I have to say, as much as I >worry about my good friend Dan here, and all the things that he goes through, >it's the thought that we're so far apart if anything happens to his dogs that >I worry about most - unbelievable isn't it how we feel about them? - suppose >it has something to do with the unconditional love and loyalty - they take so >little and give so much - and they're always there, just waiting and >accepting love - god, it's the truth, isn't it? these guys pretty much *are* my family & have been for years. of course, i'm starting to think that tag went deaf just to protect himself from the ravages of my stereo ... & that casey's eyesight went just so he wouldn't have to see me compete with him in the wild-hair department (though given my job[less] situations of the last half-year, i've stayed revoltingly shorn -- latest haircut came just last week, in fact). dan anyway, I've gone off on a ramble and all I meant to say was >sorry to hear it, it's so sad, we understand and we're with you on this one > >Laurel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:14:11 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... In a message dated 15/08/01 23:11:02 GMT Daylight Time, CHRISWIRE@aol.com writes: > Again way underatted.Like Kitchens Of > Distinction & Sorry it's late.and no spellcheck.That ol' UB40 number "There's a rat in the kitchen " rears it's ugly head methinks. chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:21:44 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... i remember being absolutely thrilled back in '95 or thereabouts when i finally managed to track down (such things were way more difficult in the days before i had the internet) a copy of their singles collection from a canadian seller ... songs like monkeys on juice, hollow eyes, generation, chance, walking on your hands, etc are downright *staggering.* sort of like a (somewhat) nimble killing joke in their prime. great picture sleeves, even. really must make a point of acquiring blow on disc ... all i've got is an old cassette. & must also step up my efforts to acquire all their post-red rhino b-sides, too ... i've got maybe half. as for the leeds connection, i've noted before that that city (rlyl, mekons, chumba, gang of 4, 3 johns, sisters of mercy, undoubtedly others) seems to have accounted for a disproportionate number of some of my enduring favorites, along with manchester (joy division, buzzcocks, fall, magazine, etc). something in the water? dan >In a message dated 15/08/01 22:55:23 GMT Daylight Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > > >> red lorry yellow lorry, of all people (talk about the weather & paint your >> wagon each featured some great tracks, but for me only blow hangs together >> as an album) >> >> > >Respect Dan respect. > Great band & great live too.Again way underatted.Like Kitchens Of >Distinction & from the same town of Leeds I believe. >Paint Your Wagon is just a terrific LP.Turned up really loud it has the power >to frighten. > Cheers Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:25:45 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... oh, i can live with that (though the only kj i think really highly of is the first 2 lp's ... the 2nd more than the first, even). of course, a columnist at my former paper once ranked the pixies' 3rd album (bossa nova? i found it so humdrum i'm not even sure about the name) above doolittle -- do *that* & we'll have to step outside. dan >YES! i agree (about Killing Joke)...i get attacked all the time because i >love Brighter Than a Thousand Suns....... > >i like all the Cocteau Twins stuff though...like the first album; Garlands, >the least though > >Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:11:37 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my poor dog.... > i just recieved the unfortunate news that my dog Dee Dee just passed > away...the family pet of 13 years.....quite a little character....been > through a lot together....and he had great taste in music...he would sit for > hours in my room and wag his tail enthusiastically to Wire, He Said, Joy > Division/New Order, Autechre, etc. and hide under the bed as soon as my > brothers would start practicing with their heavy metal band....i will miss > him dearly...he was getting old and didn't make it through an operation to > remove a tumour, he had a heart-attack.....i am leaving for the day to > console other family members....If any of you have ever lost a dear pet you > probably know how bad i feel right now...sometimes i have preferred the > company of my dog over most humans....i can't believe he's gone...he truly > was a part of the family....sorry for rambling...take care of yourselves > idealcopyists...i'll be back to post later..... > > Robert sorry to hear that, i alwayg get very disturbing about thnigs like this one of my family members is Wire Fox Terrier Baltazar, he will be 8 years old in Sunday..!! similar taste like your DeeDee.. i cannot imagine my life without him.. 9 kg's of pure joy and honesty.. i can understand you Robert.. be brave ! mileta ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:29:44 -0500 From: "Heather ." Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire Sorry Chris, didn't mean to make you feel old. And you're not old. Age is strictly in the mind, since I've known both teens and people in their late thirties that had the same maturity level. What I was trying to point out is that music is more of individual thing than a gender thing, since traditionally, most women don't listen to heavy metal. Sorry again for any bad feelings... Truly, Heather >From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com >To: ultratwist@hotmail.com, idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Girls Who Like Wire Who Like Boys Who Like Wire >Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:30:22 EDT > >In a message dated 15/08/01 21:51:31 GMT Daylight Time, >ultratwist@hotmail.com writes: > > > > My mother listened to heavy metal AND crappy AOR rock, > > > > like Toto when I was growing up > >Heather you make me feel old.(I am old I suppose at 41) > The point being my mother listened to Jim Reeves & Frank Ifield ! > Lordy > Cheers Chris _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:44:27 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... In a message dated 8/15/01 5:15:37 PM, eric719@webtv.net writes: >I would say the Cocteau Twins in the first category. Their first few >albums and ep's were excellent. They went downhill after '84. i've always felt their strongest work to be from treasure through all the ep's that followed, up until love's easy tears and crushed (from lonely is an eyesore). also, victorialand is an outstanding album. then they tapered off a bit (heaven or las vegas there weakest, imo) until milk & kisses and all the ep's around that time through the end (violane?). the absolute peak, for me, is tiny dynamine/echoes in a shallow bay ep's and victorialand lp. In a message dated 8/15/01 6:29:19 PM, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: >a columnist >at my former paper once ranked the pixies' 3rd album (bossa nova? i found >it >so humdrum i'm not even sure about the name) above doolittle -- do *that* >& >we'll have to step outside. i know what you mean, however there is something so magnetic about bossanova. i just can't stay away from it. velouria may be my fave song by them. i also think the pixies were consistently good all the way through, only slightly slacking off on trompe le monde, although again, alec eiffel may be my other fave song! In a message dated 8/15/01 5:31:10 PM, CHRISWIRE@aol.com writes: >Well Robert I would imagine that the vast majority would have their best >work >viewed in the first 3 albums.It's those albums after all that get the band >or >solo artist on the map so to speak & fans will always have fond memories >of >the early years & be biased towards that period i think most bands' appeal fades after the first two albums, and chris has summed that idea up quite well. stereolab-i think they got better starting with transient random noise bursts, yet most people will agree they have slacked off a bit with the last two releases. cabaret voltaire-my personal fave period is the middle, from crackdown thru to code. early work was very different though. einsturzende neubauten-i think they get better and better, even though i love the early stuff. swans-i think it's all good, but the peak is children of god. sonic youth-the peak, for me, is bad moon rising and evol. psychedelic furs-peaked with the second album, then towards the end released 2 good albums that went largely unnoticed. fyi-they are back. i like the new material played live this year. i hear they're shopping record labels. kinks-any fans here? do you agree that their career was filled with peaks and valleys? happy mondays-peaked early on for me, although the general public seem to prefer step on. jesus & mary chain-i love those first coule of singles. lost interest from darklands on. gang of 4-i'm sure most agree that the first 2 are the best, yet they weren't quite ehem paralyzed after solid gold. can i get a cheeseburger to go? wire-curiously, my fave stuff to listen to...154 and snakedrill, b.d.e. and a.d.e., heh cheers, paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:49:54 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] question for the audiophiles dear paul p (or whoever else may be able to answer), i'm looking for advice regarding a curious situation. i bought new speakers (and speaker wire) this year. i started noticing everything (cd or vinyl) has a slight distorted sound to it. any reason why this should happen? if you send a personal reply, i can supply you with any of the particulars you'd need to know about my set-up. i'd like to get some idea of what may be going on before i contact the store about it. thanks in advance, to anyone who can help. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:44:27 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] poll.... >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: RLynn9@aol.com [mailto:RLynn9@aol.com] >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. August 2001 22:51 >An: iansjackson@hotmail.com; idealcopy@smoe.org >Betreff: [idealcopy] poll.... > > >i'd like everyone to give a few examples of bands/solo acts >that gave us >their best work with their first two or three albums... That'd be Prefab Sprout and the Church .... There are lots of groups who were very innovative and refreshing with their first output and somehow burned out fast or split. Some great albums were from the Jazzateers, Revolver and Close Lobsters ... and the they split after their first or second album. FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:01:57 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] last night i mostly listened to: dj Cheb i Sabbah - Shri Durga Nils Petter Molvaer - Khmer ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:08:32 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] poll.... > >I would say the Cocteau Twins in the first category. Their first few > >albums and ep's were excellent. They went downhill after '84. > > i've always felt their strongest work to be from treasure through all the > ep's that followed, up until love's easy tears and crushed (from lonely is an > eyesore). also, victorialand is an outstanding album. then they tapered off a > bit (heaven or las vegas there weakest, imo) until milk & kisses and all the > ep's around that time through the end (violane?). the absolute peak, for me, > is tiny dynamine/echoes in a shallow bay ep's and victorialand lp. there are two of us.. i always thought that two EP's in same day ( Echoes/Tiny ) was their best.. shame that i borrowed to some who wasn' t return tape from their gig after Garlands.. sound was fantastic ( direct from mix-pult ) and they were inspired.. > swans-i think it's all good, but the peak is children of god. and those skin albums - shame humility revenge & blood women roses.. mileta ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #249 *******************************