From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #230 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, July 29 2001 Volume 04 : Number 230 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: this just in... ["David McKenzie" ] [idealcopy] What's THIS For...! [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 07:51:21 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: this just in... > Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 02:06:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: kevin eden > Subject: [idealcopy] last night i was..... reponse blablabla > Well folks it is far from deliberate. My postings are > made at about 8.30 am GMT. At first I was unaware that > the deadline must be around 9.00 am GMT. So I just get > past the post on this except tonite actually this was obvious, your posts frequently have a shortly after midnight timestamp (pacific time (where I assume the listserver is hosted)) 01:13:31 -0700 (PDT) 00:28:10 -0700 (PDT) 00:29:22 -0700 (PDT) 00:48:01 -0700 (PDT) 00:47:25 -0700 (PDT) and of course THIS one was posted some 2 hours later (a deliberate attempt to be FIRST?) so the cutoff is likely 02:00:00 -0700 (PDT) thanks for blowing yet another conspiracy theory out the door I *am* deliberatly trying to infect the list with a japanese virus, but y'all seem to be immune david (who thinks nobekazu takemura's chilDisc label has reset the bar for obscure electronic recording) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 18:42:33 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] What's THIS For...! Eric asked >>>>Is this the same Psyche fronted by Darren Huss? No Pssyche by Killing Joke. One of their best songs. I know nothing of the band Psyche... do you think they would appeal to a fellow Neubauten & Wire fan? Paul spoke of Jaz Coleman sounding like a Tory cabinet minister which is unfair. If you read some of the many interviews archived at http://www.the-last-laugh.com you'll find at least one where Jaz wishes death upon the addled bitch Thatcher. But come to think of it, many Tory ministers probably often felt the same way... Jaz now regards KJ as a release for all his anger & hate, an exorcism if you will. He came to this realisation of what KJ was for after the nadir of Outside the Gate - and if you listen to Age of Greed from the following Extremeties you'll see that the vapid piffle of Tory politics is anathema to Jaz. Then there's the song 'Another Bloody Election' from Democracy which isn't exactly politician friendly. Just in case the continual occurence of Killing Joke here (yes they have their own list somewhere) has piqued the interest of anyone who ain't heard much of them I'd say go for these albums in this order... 1. Killing Joke 2. What's THIS For...! 3. Laugh? I Nearly Bought One! (compilation assembled by guitarist Geordie which bafflingly omits The Wait) 4. Ha! (intense live 10") 5. Revelations (there was a time that wasn't a time) 6. Night Time (performance of title track on The Tube was what got me into the band) Not so great but if you want more... 7. Extremeties, Dirt & Various Repressed Emotions (haven't heard this one for years though) 8. Fire Dances (much derided but really just Revelations little brother) 9. Pandemonium (pay it all back all thou metal plagiarists!) Then there are 3 pretty duff albums 10. Brighter Than 1000 Suns (Adorations & Wintergardens are good catchy songs but this is terribly 80s stadium rawk cliche ridden) 11. Outside The Gate (kind of Cabbalah Comedy hour but side 2 is actually quite catchy in a Satanic Abba kind of way... but you'd have to be losing the plot to sack Big Paul Ferguson then rope in the drummer from Go West! The video for America is hilarious!) 12. Democracy (so boring I only gave it one listen maybe I need to try harder? Anyone heard this & liked it? Maybe I'm being unfair now) Apparently they've been recording tracks for a new album which will hopefully be a bit better than Democracy. Who told you how? Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 18:46:42 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Double Acid Mother Eno & Melting Koner UFO New Listening since Monday... ...LIVE... aLECTRO_eCOUSTIC at Bar Centro Manchester with The Double Life of Veronique (2 beautiful drone guitars & violin) Pharmakon Documentary (silliness from Lord Mongo) A 3 Letter film w/music by Jo Clark Graham Clark (solo violin from ex Gong maestro) Gomorrah (Weaver cello & Mild Man Jan mutations) And a bit of spoken bollocks from me. ...CD's... The Double Life of Veronique - avec un pessimisme lucide (http://www.nameless-records.com) Philip Jeck - Vinyl Coda IV Scala - Compass Heart Kristin Hersh - Sunny Border Blue Acid Mothers Temple & the Melting Paraiso UFO - La Novia Acid Mothers Temple & the Melting Paraiso UFO - New Geocentric World (!) (Kosmische? Japan x 1000!!! Freakout & Zap!!!) Thomas Koner - Permafrost Thomas Koner - Teimo Thomas Koner - Nunatak Gongamur (!) Thomas Koner - Nuuk (The true test of any speakers: can they handle the low end of a Koner CD?) Monolake - Interstate Floating Point (R. Henke of Monolake) Eno & Wobble - Spinner (best thing I've heard from Eno so far) Eno - Neroli Eno - Shutov Assembly Eno - Instrumental Music Vol 1-3 ...TAPES... (with thanks to Paul Dolliner) Circle X - Prehistory + 3 singles (!) Dry Lungs excerpts (Jarboe, Merzbow, etc) Faust Concerts Vol II (London 92) ...Bargain LP's... Albert Ayler - Live at Slug's Saloon (not 'a drag' at all, but a little warped) Boredoms - Soul Discharge (I already have the Earthnoise CD but Shimmy Disc US vinyl is top quality & this sounds about 100x better even if it has less tracks) The Ex - Too Many Cowboys (Forgive me my ignorance!) Fad Gadget - Incontinent (Robert Gotobed's track is the best as expected but a couple of others are quite good) ...RADIO... White Stripes (live), King Tubby, Rechenzentrum, Birthday Party on the John Peel wingding. Evan Parker, Eddie Prevost, Caroline Kraabel & lots of other improvisers recorded live on Jazz on 3 in a pretty damn gobsmacking performance. Tomorrow I'm off to Off Peak at the Contact for a free Morr music showcase featuring Isan & Remote Viewer DJ's... Lost in music... As Tu Ton Ticket? Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:39:59 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] What's THIS For...! >12. Democracy (so boring I only gave it one listen >maybe I need to try harder? Anyone heard this & liked >it? Maybe I'm being unfair now) haven't played it (or any kj beyond the first 2 albums) in some while, but it definitely made a better impression on me than pandemonium or extremities. at least one song sounded like it could've been an outtake from leatherface's mush cd -- a very good thing where i come from. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:41:28 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Double Acid Mother Eno & Melting Koner UFO >...RADIO... > >White Stripes (live who are these guys? a friend of mine in l.a. has been touting them to me mightily & promises to send me a cd (only right of her since i just mailed her the kleenex/liliput 2cd, i suppose). dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 18:33:01 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Double Acid Mother Eno & Melting Koner UFO don't know if anyone is interested but the Edsel label (a division of Demon Music) is reissuing all four of John Foxx's Virgin label albums on cds....the corresponding b-sides are included on each cd and a 12 page booklet.....FINALLY somebody reissues them correctly! and FINALLY a cd issue of The Golden Section....i feel sorry for all those ebayers that spent over $100 for the Japanese only issue of that cd......Metamatic and the Garden are due out Monday July 30th....The Golden Section and In Mysterious Ways come out on August 28th......I'm pretty excited, i'm a BIG John Foxx fan....still need the first Ultravox album on cd as well as Ha!Ha!Ha! on cd too........today's listening: Ultravox - Systems of Romance John Foxx- Metamatic Chris and Cosey - CTI Library of Sound vol. 4 Throbbing Gristle - Industrial Muzac/Pastimes Paul Haigh - Valentine Out of Season (hard to believe this guy became a middle aged junglist) Nurse With Wound - Automating Vol. 1 Locust - The Truth is Born of Arguments have a good day all! Robert (in St.Louis) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 10:16:48 +1000 From: "Phillip Blakeney" Subject: [idealcopy] sleeve notes for And Here It Is...Again... There has been posts about the 'scathing' liner notes for this LP recently, so for those who who don't have here are those very words... "HERE THEY COME lalalalalala lalalalalala the art time punks. The original pogoists gone artists. From sweaty drunken nights down the Roxy to a 'completely new approach to presenting music' and anti-rockism only took three small steps for mankind - the set of WIRE LPs (who ever really listened to that RT double live affair?). They started from scratch, learned to master their incompetence, and finally faded away because their version of the ultimate pop single flopped as badly as everything else they did. "But to the original punk rockers and pogo kids they were as vital as, say, the Buzzcocks, Clash or the Boys. They persuaded many a fanzine editor to change the look of his mag, they created two real classics in 12XU and I am the fly, and they showed to a few people that there's more to Pink Floyd than the dark side of the animals. (But did they know wherre Syd really lived?) "So we here at Sneaky Pete say a big FANX to WIRE for all they did (and some of what they did not, just imagine the horrors of a fourth LP turning out like the freebie EP that went with 154!) and bollocks to those who don't appreciate that. JANIE J. JONES" There is also a blurb in German about the songs. The front cover is a rather minimalist effort with the title in bold red caps at the top, over a blue sky above 4 blurry red combine harvesters harvesting an orange wheatfield. What that means I have no idea! The back cover a classic Wire photo over a blue background. The inner sleeve has on one side a black and white collage of photos and 7' and album picture covers and a ad for Sneaky Pete album releases on the other side. Tracks included are a fair selection off the first three albums, plus the two Roxy tracks. Just thought you'd like to know. Phillip - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:39:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Felton Frog-Mon Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Ultravox, Foxx, Neu!, and a playlist Hey ICers- Must be something in the air (or marketplace!) going on. I was in Streetlight records, one of the coolest stores in the SF bay area BTW, and saw that the first three Neu! albums have been rereleased and are VERY inexpensive! They had a great blurb, penned by one of the employees mentioning how important this band is! Pretty cool! > don't know if anyone is interested but the Edsel > label (a division of Demon > Music) is reissuing all four of John Foxx's Virgin > label albums on cds....the > corresponding b-sides are included on each cd and a > 12 page > booklet.....FINALLY somebody reissues them > correctly! and FINALLY a cd issue > of The Golden Section That is great! I've only heard two of his albums but "There's No One Driving" refused to get off my turntable for months!! Also, whether it is the 'Eno effect' or not, the first Ultravox! album sounds awesome on CD. Currently listening to: Dead Can Dance - Within the Realm of a Dying Sun Wire - It's all in the Brochure Soft Boys - Underwater Moonlight Faust - Ravvivando Radiohead - Amnesiac Skinny Puppy - VIVIsectVI Delerium - Karma Poe - Haunted Depeche Mode - Exciter (Girlfriend's....honest!!) Garbage - s/t Stay Ideal and keep Copying! RJH ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "May all your ups and downs be between the sheets." - -Tom Waits - ----------------------------------------------------------- Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 01:18:39 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Ultravox, Foxx, Neu!, and a playlist In a message dated 7/28/01 9:50:20 PM Central Daylight Time, r_j_h@yahoo.com writes: > Currently listening to: > > Dead Can Dance - Within the Realm of a Dying Sun<<<<< This is a great > record...i am fond of The Serpents Egg as well...i was at a club that has > gothic/industrial retro night a few Mondays ago and they actually played > The Ubiquitous Mr. Lovegrove.....that was the highlight of the evening... > Wire - It's all in the Brochure > Soft Boys - Underwater Moonlight > Faust - Ravvivando > Radiohead - Amnesiac > Skinny Puppy - VIVIsectVI<<<<< been playing Cleanse Fold and Manipulate a lot lately > Delerium - Karma > Poe - Haunted > Depeche Mode - Exciter (Girlfriend's....honest!!)<<<<< embarrassed of the Mode's new lp? the ONLY song i dislike (sort of) is Dead > of Night....but i for one, am glad Dave cleaned his act up and got the hell > out of that cesspool called Los Angeles.....i think this new lp is really > good.... > Garbage - s/t > > Stay Ideal and keep Copying! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 23:41:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Felton Frog-Mon Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Ultravox, Foxx, Neu!, and a playlist Hmmm... > > Currently listening to: > > > > Dead Can Dance - Within the Realm of a Dying > Sun<<<<< This is a great > > record...i am fond of The Serpents Egg as well...i > was at a club that has > > gothic/industrial retro night a few Mondays ago > and they actually played > > The Ubiquitous Mr. Lovegrove.....that was the > highlight of the evening... I agree! Lisa Gerrard's voice gives me goosebumps at times! I would say that my DCD favorites are: Aion Within the Realm of a Dying Sun Serpents Egg Toward the Within Into the Labyrinth I actually haven't heard the 1st album or Spirit Chaser. And does anyone know where their song 'Rakim' that opens the live album originate? > > Wire - It's all in the Brochure > > Soft Boys - Underwater Moonlight > > Faust - Ravvivando > > Radiohead - Amnesiac > > Skinny Puppy - VIVIsectVI<<<<< first 4 Puppy albums...I've > > been playing Cleanse Fold and Manipulate a lot > lately YES! I got a chance to see Ogre on his recent solo tour at the Fillmore in SF and was quite impressed! He had Kevin Cey on drums, Tim Skold on bass... no puppy tunes, though. They should be releasing 'Back and Forth series 5' within a month or so. I was looking at the setlist for the Dresden show and that should be a really great album! > > Delerium - Karma > > Poe - Haunted > > Depeche Mode - Exciter > (Girlfriend's....honest!!)<<<<< > > embarrassed of the Mode's new lp? the ONLY song i > dislike (sort of) is Dead > > of Night....but i for one, am glad Dave cleaned > his act up and got the hell > > out of that cesspool called Los Angeles.....i > think this new lp is really Well, I don't know who Dave is, but I have to say that DM is a guilty pleasure of mine. I think my being reticent comes from also being a KMFDM fan! hee hee! Actually, my first encounter with their new material was on acidplanet.com where they were the subject of a recent remix contest. I am hoping to see them (and Poe!) at the Shoreline Amphitheater in a few days. And for those who are interested...I was looking on Pollstar.com and it looks like Laurie Anderson is touring this year and into 2002! She may not be everyone's cup of tea, but she is an amazing artist. Check it out! Happy travails, all!! RJH ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "May all your ups and downs be between the sheets." - -Tom Waits - ----------------------------------------------------------- Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 09:17:53 +0200 From: "Frank Jürgen Wörner" Subject: [idealcopy] Get ready ! Hi, NO's "Get ready" is on the net ... I'm downloading it right now. FfB ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #230 *******************************