From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #227 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, July 26 2001 Volume 04 : Number 227 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] listening lately... ["ian jackson" ] [idealcopy] Re: Cure/New Order/Wire [Howard Spencer ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Cure/New Order/Wire [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Cure/New Order/Wire ["Jerry @ Vane Recordings" ] [idealcopy] On Every List a Numanoid ["Dr.volume" Subject: [idealcopy] listening lately... past 3 or 4 days includes... Wire - Kidney Bingos 7" UK Subs - Stranglehold 7"(i enjoy dumbass punk now & again...) Television - Marquee Moon Half Man Half Biscuit - Back In The D.H.S.S./Back Again In The D.H.S.S./McIntyre, Treadmore & Davitt/Editors Recommendation/ Foo Fighters - There Is Nothing Left To Lose Dick Gaughan - Handful Of Earth Richard & Linda Thompson - I Want To See The Bright Lights Tonight At The Drive-In - Relationship Of Command Bonnie Prince Billy - Ease Down The Road Michael O'Shea - s/t Jim O'Rourke - Eureka Brian Eno - Another Green World _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:04:13 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Cure/New Order/Wire The Cure/New Order similarity I first noticed was A Forest /This time of night - same chord progression. Bob Smith was defensive about In Between Days at the time, strongly implying that any `influence' had beem mutual - I always assumed that A Forest was what he was on about, and if he was, he has a point. Apparently Peter Hook's mum heard In Between Days on the radio and rang him up in a lather telling him to sue! New Order were themselves sued by John Denver for Run - does anyone know the John Denver track in question? The Wire song I've always thought of as the most generically New Orderish is Madman's Honey, with its plinking (musicologists ought to recognise this term) synth sequence and the guitar break. - the latter of which is close-ish in sound to the one in Age of Consent. That said, there are certain things about Madman's honey which could only be Wire, like to the `distant' guitar strum after the line 'When you reach the living end', and the vocals set back in the mix. And also, students, compare and contrast: `Master cut the stone out/ my name is Lubert Das' with `To buy a drink there is so much more reasonable/I think I'll go there when it gets seasonable'. Last night I listened to: Isan - Lucky Cat (some gems on there if melodic electronica is your thing) Morr music compilation (same, but a greater quantity of chaff) Steve Reich - Music for 18 musicians (love it) Finally, my theory of why Colin is twitchy about Elastica and Bruce has no problem - Bruce fancies Justine, Colin dosen't. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:22:51 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Cure/New Order/Wire the john denver track is the classic "i'm leaving on a jet plane". hard to dispute the melody is much the same as a chunk of "run". my girlfriend posseses a stormingly bad JD lp (john denver that is , not joy division) with a cover of "mother natures son" that is truely gruesome. i've hidden it and she hasn't noticed. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:29:30 +0100 From: "Jerry @ Vane Recordings" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Cure/New Order/Wire That would be "Leaving On a Jetplane" > New Order were themselves sued > by John Denver for Run - does anyone know the John Denver track in > question? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:31:50 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Cure/New Order/Wire Howard, << The Cure/New Order similarity I first noticed was A Forest /This time of night - same chord progression. Bob Smith was defensive about In Between Days at the time, strongly implying that any `influence' had beem mutual - I always assumed that A Forest was what he was on about, and if he was, he has a point.<< Of course the synth intro to NO's Sunrise is a ringer for A Forest as well.... >>Apparently Peter Hook's mum heard In Between Days on the radio and rang him up in a lather telling him to sue! New Order were themselves sued by John Denver for Run - does anyone know the John Denver track in question?<< Leaving on a Jet Plane >> The Wire song I've always thought of as the most generically New Orderish is Madman's Honey, with its plinking (musicologists ought to recognise this term) synth sequence and the guitar break. - the latter of which is close-ish in sound to the one in Age of Consent. << Never noticed that one! >> That said, there are certain things about Madman's honey which could only be Wire, like to the `distant' guitar strum after the line 'When you reach the living end', and the vocals set back in the mix. And also, students, compare and contrast: `Master cut the stone out/ my name is Lubert Das' with `To buy a drink there is so much more reasonable/I think I'll go there when it gets seasonable'.<< Ouch! Top 10 dreadful New Order couplets anyone? >>Finally, my theory of why Colin is twitchy about Elastica and Bruce has no problem - Bruce fancies Justine, Colin dosen't. >> More likely that Bruce hadn't a clue who Elastica were! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:33:05 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] listening lately... ahh, what a great time you must be having....lots of good stuff in there...last night i listened to: Tetsu Inoue - Slow and Low (FAX) ..if you haven't checked out any of Inoue's stuff please do yourself a favor and do so... Iggy Pop - The Idiot David Bowie - Lodger Cluster - Zuckerzeit Mogwai - ep + 2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:48:31 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Re: In Between Fatal Dreams --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Graeme, > > << >>>>In Between Days is Dreams Never End, of > course. > Dreams Never End is > Femme Fatale.... > Do you mean you think these songs sound the same? > >> > > No,of course they don't sound "the same" - they're > different songs. But the > riff/structure is basically the same. Whether > subliminally or consciously, > the composer borowed one of the major building > blocks - and then created a > new piece of music. I guess I was reading too fast... Which blocks are used from Femme Fatale & Dreams Never End? I just don't hear it! > > Mark ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:15:47 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Sneaky Pete Sean listened to... >>>Wire: And Here It Is...Again (with the scathing liner notes) wasn't something along the lines of the solo stuff was a joke? I remember being a bit confused when I read that as I wasn't even aware of the solo stuff. But it does seem odd to me that anyone who liked the first 3 Wire albums wouldn't like A-Z & Not To at least... Killing Joke: What's This For...! I'm now listening to Pssyche!!!! Jesus wouldn't like it! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:19:33 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Sneaky Pete Sean listened to... >>>Wire: And Here It Is...Again (with the scathing liner notes) wasn't something along the lines of the solo stuff was a joke? I remember being a bit confused when I read that as I wasn't even aware of the solo stuff. But it does seem odd to me that anyone who liked the first 3 Wire albums wouldn't like A-Z & Not To at least... Killing Joke: What's This For...! I'm now listening to Pssyche!!!! Jesus wouldn't like it! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:20:52 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: In Between Fatal Dreams Graeme, << I guess I was reading too fast... Which blocks are used from Femme Fatale & Dreams Never End? I just don't hear it! >> Play the main riff from Dreams Never End (the 6-string bass part that comes straight after the intro, with the ringing high note). Then play the intro to the 'Live 69' version of Femme Fatale.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:19:13 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Cure/New Order/Wire MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: Mark, > Of course the synth intro to NO's Sunrise is a ringer for A Forest as well.... Not sure about this - if so it is about `feel' rather than actual notes. A forest is A/C/F/D, Sunrise is A/F/D/F. Yawn. Musos, don'tcha love'em? Speaking of which, it has always amused me that Bernard Sumner, (among others) is invariably portrayed as a musical ingenue in the punkish tradition (ie not understanding or using traditional musical structures, notation etc) Well, I read an interview with him in a fanzine YEARS ago in which he referred to the `descending arpeggio sequence' that opens `Sub-culture'. Aha! Are you Rick Wakeman in disguise, Barney? Eno's another one who flies the flag of being a non-musician, when these days, having been immersed in diminshed jazz chords and all the rest of it for nigh on 30 years, he is anything but. What he does do, which inspires derision from some and admiration from others, is devise strategies for stopping his musicianship becoming a barrier to creativity. I like most of what he's done, btw. > New Order were themselves sued > by John Denver for Run - does anyone know the John Denver track in > question?<< > > Leaving on a Jet Plane I can't hear this either - but I can only think of the rotten Kumbaya-my-lord chorus to this modern cllllassic - maybe the similarity is in the verse. > `To buy a drink there is so much more reasonable/I think I'll go there > when it gets seasonable'.<< > > Ouch! Top 10 dreadful New Order couplets anyone? > Well having though about this further I can only come up with ones that I like, so in the sprit of Martyn Lewis, the good-news newsreader, here goes: `Ever since I've seen your face/this life of mine has gone to waste' `Pretending not to see his gun/I said let's go out and have some fun' (slightly dodgy but at least memorable) `Parasites and literasites/they'll burn me if they can' (does the word literasite exist? Does now, I guess) `One of these days when you sit by yourself/You'll realise you can't shaft without someone else' (how true) and of course `Every second counts, when I am with you/I think you are a pig, you should be in a zoo' Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:01:15 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Something for the Eno & Phil & PiL Fans! http://www.furious.com/perfect/keithlevene3.html for part 3 of that Keith Levene interview "When my brother was at school he sat next to a chap called Billy Ellis. Whereas I was incapable of passing maths, Master Ellis took things a stage further: he was unable to comprehend the very reason for its existence. He was once asked one of those questions that go "John goes to the shop. He has a pound. He buys three oranges a banana and a box of matches (etc) how much is a box of matches?" Billy Ellis wrote down "6p", which was self-evidently nowhere near the answer. Asked how he arrived at this, he replied "I bought a box of matches yesterday, and they cost 6p". I put it to you that this is true enlightenment." http://www.clicks-and-klangs.com/archive/welshpsycho/006rockschool.htm "SCENE: front room. Dad Eno, knackered from his job as a postman (which, interestingly, concerns communication), is resting. Mam Eno is in the kitchen cooking (in some ways cooking from a recipe resembles the oblique strategy composition process used by Brian, interestingly). Roger is sat there making a model aeroplane. Enter Brian, hanging up his ostrich costume. DAD: Oh hello Brian what a surprise, what have you been up to? Hows Roxy Music? BRIAN: I have left them and been doing Ambient music, it is really interesting. DAD: Whats that then? BRIAN: It is a new form of music I invented where not much happens and you ignore it. ROGER (looking up from his model aeroplane) Do you have to dress up and do gigs and that? BRIAN: No, you just play about five notes, put it on repeat whack some echo on and call it something off an ordnance survey map. ROGER: Oh, that sounds interesting, can you show me?" http://www.clicks-and-klangs.com/archive/welshpsycho/brainemo.htm Colin B. Morton ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:05:47 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Musical dreams anyone? I've had quite a few, including Wire gigs! The first time I remember hearing music in a dream I dreamt I was at a Killing Joke gig in 85 (Night Time was the album, aptly enough). Turning out the sun! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:09:41 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Sneaky Pete In a message dated 25/07/01 17:32:00 GMT Daylight Time, crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk writes: > wasn't something along the lines of the solo stuff was > a joke? > I remember being a bit confused when I read that as I > wasn't even aware of the solo stuff. > > But it does seem odd to me that anyone who liked the > first 3 Wire albums wouldn't like A-Z & Not To at > least... //// i think the writer makes the observation that it was just as well wire split up when they did if D&E was all we had to look forward to. well , that's one viewpoint. it does have some great pix on the inner sleeve though and a classic cover. i think on balance carrying on with solo careers was an OK decision. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:13:57 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Musical dreams anyone? In a message dated 25/07/01 19:10:31 GMT Daylight Time, crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk writes: > The first time I remember hearing music in a dream I > dreamt I was at a Killing Joke gig in 85 (Night Time > was the album, aptly enough). /////// having seen KJ in 85 i think "nightmare" might be a better description than "dream". although geordie did appear to be asleep. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:43:01 -0700 (PDT) From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Musical dreams anyone? <> After listening to their new live album which was recorded in '85, nightmare IS a better description. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:45:27 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Musical dreams anyone? i've had some pretty horrible nightmares with music from Current 93 as the soundtrack.... (early stuff, not the wanky fairie stumming mandolin and sprinkling fairie dust everywhere..).......i actually had a nightmare of watching the apocalypse and the world ending by fire...and all i could hear was the song Great Black Time getting louder and louder....... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:46:07 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Musical dreams anyone? i remember a guy i knew (worked in a record shop) telling me about a dream where he was at an AC/DC gig and someone was trying to tell him something while the band were playing, he turned round to him, put his finger to his lips and went 'Sshhhuuuussshh'... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:48:11 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Musical dreams anyone? early Killing Joke did in fact, rule..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:49:01 EDT From: MrSodium@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] I bought "Catch Supposes" today. along with: KD lang ~constant craving (live in AUS) banco de gaia ~baby cheesy cd ep St Etienne ~Sound of Water Sunna ~One Minute Science Cabaret Voltaire ~Colors ep Swirl 360 ~ask anybody cd (my daughter likes them) Spacehog ~4 Future trax (just because of one of the b-sides: "at least I got laid") Way Out West cds Renegade Soundwave ~Howyoudoin Doubting Thomas ~Father don't cry Madonna ~Frozen cds Sheep on Drugs ~From A to H and back again Todd Terry ~Keep on Jumpin cds Rave till dawn ~mix cd Olu Dara ~Neighborhoods Commonbond ~elastic plastic club series 4 ~mix cd Jeanne Newhall ~Soul of my own Piss Factory ~s/t (...with a band name like Piss Factory, who needs an album title) Suckdog ~Drugs are nice Total cost for the above cds: usd$21.26. Now that's a good record store. Got a lot of listening to do. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:57:50 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Musical dreams anyone? first one i can recall involved the sex pistols (who i think were assaulting me in a dentist's office), back in the late '70s. next was the stranglers. can't recall the details of many of the others i've had, though there've been a decent amount, mostly involving bands i've seen live (unlike the first 2 groups ... well, unless you include the '96 "filthy lucre" pistols) -- mekons, cure (actually robert smith solo, i believe), a couple of much-loved local phoenix bands (the nervous & international language), etc. no wire, fall or joy division that i recall, though -- my 3 favorite bands ever, probably (mekons would probably come in fourth). damn. dan most recent listening -- the cd reissue of easterhouse's contenders ... wonder if they ever played with the redskins (& if their tenures on london records coincided). >I've had quite a few, including Wire gigs! > >The first time I remember hearing music in a dream I >dreamt I was at a Killing Joke gig in 85 (Night Time >was the album, aptly enough). > >Turning out the sun! >Graeme > >===== >Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine >http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine > >"What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert >Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk >or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:25:52 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Musical dreams anyone? sorry - all my musical dreams involve Enya, some where she's singing and some where she's just making those lovely sounds.... :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:18:30 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Cure/New Order/Wire Howard, << Not sure about this - if so it is about `feel' rather than actual notes. A forest is A/C/F/D, Sunrise is A/F/D/F. Yawn. Musos, don'tcha love'em? << Given the collective fan base I think someone might have noticed if they'd used the same notes (in the same order!) >>Speaking of which, it has always amused me that Bernard Sumner, (among others) is invariably portrayed as a musical ingenue in the punkish tradition (ie not understanding or using traditional musical structures, notation etc) Well, I read an interview with him in a fanzine YEARS ago in which he referred to the `descending arpeggio sequence' that opens `Sub-culture'. Aha! Are you Rick Wakeman in disguise, Barney?<< I think Barney would know what an Arpeggio was because it's one of the knobs on a synth. Either that or Martin Hannett told him when both of them were straight. I don't think you can accuse eithere Barney or Hooky of being musos. Barney has one basic trick (He knows how to invert chords). Other than that it's still as basic as it comes. You can accuse him of extreme techno-geekdom though. In 1978 he built JD's first synth from a kit (it was used right up to - and including - Blue Monday). Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:43:03 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Musical dreams anyone? Dan, << no wire, fall or joy division that i recall, though -- my 3 favorite bands ever, probably (mekons would probably come in fourth). damn. >> I wouldn't disagee with you on the top 3 :-) In a dream, The Fall once played a complete, new, unreleased song. Woke up and couln't remember the tune. Probably couldn't hear the lyrics. Pretty good though. Would have fitted well on Wonderful and Frightening World. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:42:57 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Cure/New Order/Wire sans cure & wire In a message dated 7/25/01 9:40:51 AM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > `To buy a drink there is so much more reasonable/I think I'll go there > when it gets seasonable'.<< > >Ouch! Top 10 dreadful New Order couplets anyone? aw c'mon. this is sheer brilliance! my all time fave line, though, has to be "our love is like the earth, the sun the trees and the birth"...at least i think that's how it goes. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:47:36 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Musical dreams anyone? or maybe Sheila Chandra? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:46:06 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] And here it is again... Paul, << //// i think the writer makes the observation that it was just as well wire split up when they did if D&E was all we had to look forward to. well , that's one viewpoint. << Not one I share! >>it does have some great pix on the inner sleeve though and a classic cover. >> That's a German compilation isn't it. I think it was compiled by Peter Hein and Xao Seffcheque, two old German punkers who, if their records are to go by, drew the line at Pink Flag. But probably quite liked Sand in my joints, and only bought 154 for Two people in a room..... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:51:01 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] By Hook Or By Crook.... .....Kevin Eden will always be last in the Digest with 'Last Night I was listening to..." Is this deliberate? Its kind of like 'Thought for the Day' that used to be on the old style BBC before it all went 24 hour digital whatsit, but instead of an old bishop relating a tale about walking in Edale you get the erstwhile Wire biographizer telling us what cool jazz/minimalist records he listened to last night. So come on, own up...how come this always comes at the end of the digest _________________________ The Kids Are Alright http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:24:04 +0100 From: "Dr.volume" Subject: [idealcopy] On Every List a Numanoid Rlynn and HeySean expressed a liking for spooky electro-droid/stunt pilot Mr Gary Numan I have subscribed to various mailing lists, this one, Beach Boys, Autechre, MBV and there is always a few Numan fans! He gets everywhere! He used to be a bit of a laughing stock in his home country, although these days he seems to be worshipped by the Nu-Metal/Korn/Manson fraternity. He's also oft-sampled by dance music producers, and had second hand hits via Armand Van Helden (sample of Cars) and soon to be hit from disco wunderkids Basement Jaxx (with Wheres Your Head at which samples a track called 'The Wreckage'). Fair play to him! I'm not a fan (although only a cloth-eared music snob would dislike Cars and Are Friends Electric) but whenever I see Numan interviewed these days I can't help liking the guy. He seems genuinely choked that people still like him! He got a lot of bad press in the UK for voting Conservative (like Phil Collins/Paul Weller/Clapton/Pete Townshend et al), pretending to retire, dressing as a robot, marrying his biggest fan and crashing aeroplanes. But you guys buy compilations of his B-Sides and everything! I don't understand! Is Numan-Scepticism a purely a UK thing?! Explain please! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:43:48 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] On Every List a Numanoid explanation re: Gary Numan is as follows - back in '79 I bought his record and liked it. I still do. LOL how's that for musicology? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:11:56 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] On Every List a Numanoid in my case, replicas was the first record to clue me in to the fact that synths weren't necessarily evil per se, as punk doctrine would have it. (i bought a used copy of the reissue cd a month or so ago for the bonus tracks.) perhaps even more importantly, for psychological reasons, the day I bought it as a 20-year-old, circa i think 10/79, was also marked arkansas' first football victory over texas since i was 12. >Rlynn and HeySean expressed a liking for spooky electro-droid/stunt pilot >Mr Gary Numan > >I have subscribed to various mailing lists, this one, Beach Boys, Autechre, >MBV and there is always a few Numan fans! He gets everywhere! > >He used to be a bit of a laughing stock in his home country, although these >days he seems to be worshipped by the Nu-Metal/Korn/Manson fraternity. >He's also oft-sampled by dance music producers, and had second hand hits >via Armand Van Helden (sample of Cars) and soon to be hit from disco >wunderkids Basement Jaxx (with Wheres Your Head at which samples a track >called 'The Wreckage'). Fair play to him! > >I'm not a fan (although only a cloth-eared music snob would dislike Cars >and Are Friends Electric) but whenever I see Numan interviewed these days I >can't help liking the guy. He seems genuinely choked that people still like >him! >He got a lot of bad press in the UK for voting Conservative (like Phil >Collins/Paul Weller/Clapton/Pete Townshend et al), pretending to retire, >dressing as a robot, marrying his biggest fan and crashing aeroplanes. > >But you guys buy compilations of his B-Sides and everything! I don't >understand! Is Numan-Scepticism a purely a UK thing?! Explain please! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:39:12 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] On Every List a Numanoid i second that ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:40:37 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] On Every List a Numanoid because Numan like a lot of other groups like him, were/are just plain fun.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:29:09 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] last night i mostly listened to: Leon Thomas - Spirits Known and Unknown Harold Budd - The Pavilion of Dreams ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #227 *******************************