From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #221 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, July 20 2001 Volume 04 : Number 221 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] OT: Orbital [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] RE: Another Shit Shot to Theory ["wiremailorder.com" ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: Another Shit Shot to Theory [HeySean@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] RE: Another Shit Shot to Theory ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Orbital [BillyD ] Re: [idealcopy] jap ebay [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Pointless Potato & Cabbage [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?=] Re: [idealcopy] Non/Music To grow up by/Travis album (Publicly bought my girlfriend a...) ["Ian B" ] [idealcopy] Wire, Corruption and Lies. [Tim ] [idealcopy] Jim O'Rourke & The Death of Cool ["Dr.volume" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Orbital Chris wrote: "That was an excellent choice Graeme.Orbital's version on their new album is a cracker" Orbital need to be shot for their latest album. Biggest disappoinment of the year, music-wise, although I should have known what to expect from the previous one, I guess... C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:56:52 -0500 From: "wiremailorder.com" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Another Shit Shot to Theory >I listen to whatever I like, not what your theory tells me I can listen to. >I didn't grow up listening to Pierre Henry or Can or Steve Reich or Albert Ayler or >> Last Exit but have listened to them quite frequently over the last 5 years. Of course you'll take the pedantic, won't you!! Much easier to shot holes than find the commonality! and of course you can't see that because you're thinking only of yourself. But if you look at buying public, music listeners in general, it holds true... Most everyone on this list is an exception, because, to paraphrase one of your idols, we emphatically love music. That said, I think you could make a short list of bands that had there heydays in the late 70s/80s and that would cover most of the list. >>Why? Why Not! >There are so many exceptions that this theory is probably worthless. Completely throwaway statement. Read something other than the Wire. In General it holds true. If not, we wouldn't have a Mega-crap Record industry. >>>2. Most innovation in "rock/pop" music occurred in the sixties and seventies. >Depends how you define "rock/pop". Perhaps, but the hole here - you missed one Graeme - is technology. However, appropriation is one of the greatest strengths of "rock/pop" >How do you presume to know why anyone on Ideal Copy listens to what they listen to >> >unless they specifically state the reason? This is the height of arrogance. I think >> we all listen to music that we like or we'd be a bunch of morons. If you can find > >any solid proof otherwise feel free to quote it! Honey, I've been selling records people have been buying only to put on their shelf and never listen to again for a few years now. Remember the Needle? Use it. >>>Why I re-evaluate crap stadium dinosaur plod rock? Drum roll, it's what I like. And >Well, certainly not if you listen to only things you grew up with! But you don't, ?>> > unless the Thousand label was a hallucination! The theme to Dr Who (first single >I bought) still sounds good to me though. 'Re-evaluate' away! Is evaluation cool or > >uncool? Of course I listen to a variety of musics, I'm a well-rounded member of this list. However, I personally enjoy researching musics that are roughly progressive. Doesn't mean I don't like Can, Reich et al... but mainly in the context or rather contrast of the former. For me, and >I've never considered myself to be 'cool' either, for what it's worth. What is >'cool' anyway? It's such a subjective & variable & nebulous concept. Breakthrough! We agree!!! >Some people think it's cool to wear baseball caps reversed! Some people don't! Are there many more like you? charles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:14:22 +0100 From: "Jerry @ Vane Recordings" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ab Ovo & In Esse & ELpH Good call Graeme, I, for one, wear my insecurity on my sleeve but my only problem with others' sexual identity is when they use it as their "raison d'etre" and insist on using it to contaminate all those around them. Maybe you're right to remain wilfully obscure in all respects! j > Can it be that there is really no such thing as > 'sexual identity' but only sexual acts and thoughts? > If so no wonder those who strive continually to > maintain such an identity are insecure ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:36:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] trojan horse > The thing is that EMI never did own the Roxy tracks. > I forget how it worked > but they were owned by a guy named Andrew with an > unpronounceable surname (I > forget his exact connections but I think ended up > owning the Fridge club in > Brixton). How they now reside with Trojan is > anyone's guess. > > j That would be Andy Cz.... who owned the Roxy (or was it the Vortex?) and was Chelsea's manager (not in a line with Hoddle, Gullit and Vialli but the Step Forward signed punk rock band). John Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:08:05 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Another Shit Shot to Theory well now that my paint has dried...I'll suppose I'll watch this string for bit. The excitement! The vocabulary! The lack of any humor whatsoever! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:29:26 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Another Shit Shot to Theory >>I listen to whatever I like, not what your theory tells me I can listen to. >>I didn't grow up listening to Pierre Henry or Can or Steve Reich or Albert >Ayler or >> Last Exit but have listened to them quite frequently over the >last 5 years. > >Of course you'll take the pedantic, won't you!! Much easier to shot holes >than find the commonality! and of course you can't see that because you're >thinking only of yourself. But if you look at buying public, music listeners >in general, it holds true... Most everyone on this list is an exception, >because, to paraphrase one of your idols, we emphatically love music. precisely what i was thinking while swimming yesterday evening, for some reason. i can't speak for england, but look at the popularity of oldies & "classic rock" (read: mostly '80s stuff, i think) over here. of course, they're preferable to the fake "alternative" stations. speaking of which, i'd better head downturn early, since parking is likely to be in short supply with the vans warped tour (with the business rank as the leading light, i'd say -- 311 as the headliner? shoot me now) in town beginning right ... about ... now. dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:05:25 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Orbital In a message dated 19/07/01 11:02:34 GMT Daylight Time, wireviews@yahoo.com writes: > Orbital need to be shot for their latest album. > Biggest disappoinment of the year, music-wise, > although I should have known what to expect from the > previous one, I guess... > > > C > ///i recall reading they were using a crass sample on one track. how did that work?p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:16:27 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] jap ebay somebody has got a stack of japanese wire stuff up on ebay , including a still-sealed 3cd "insiding" set. sadly they want a load of dosh for it ($60 for the 3cd set , $25 for most of the single cd's) and want paying in japanese money orders (????). tempting , but not THAT tempting. surprisingly nobody has bid on any of it...........p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:36:28 -0700 (PDT) From: BillyD Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Orbital Actually, Crass and Tool in the same track. I think it works very well. I like about half the cd. Far more than the last one. But then again, what do we Yanks know about good music? Cheers, Billy - --- PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 19/07/01 11:02:34 GMT Daylight > Time, wireviews@yahoo.com > writes: > > > > Orbital need to be shot for their latest album. > > Biggest disappoinment of the year, music-wise, > > although I should have known what to expect from > the > > previous one, I guess... > > > > > > C > > > > ///i recall reading they were using a crass sample > on one track. how did that > work?p ===== . ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:36:40 -0700 (PDT) From: BillyD Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Orbital Actually, Crass and Tool in the same track. I think it works very well. I like about half the cd. Far more than the last one. But then again, what do we Yanks know about good music? Cheers, Billy - --- PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 19/07/01 11:02:34 GMT Daylight > Time, wireviews@yahoo.com > writes: > > > > Orbital need to be shot for their latest album. > > Biggest disappoinment of the year, music-wise, > > although I should have known what to expect from > the > > previous one, I guess... > > > > > > C > > > > ///i recall reading they were using a crass sample > on one track. how did that > work?p ===== . ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:25:56 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] jap ebay i actually found the japanese 3 cd set for Insiding/This Way/Shivering Man (mispelled Shiverling Man..ahahaha) for $10.00 used at a local record/cd shop.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:49:11 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Pointless Potato & Cabbage At Craig's art school >>>>not one person could_ever_ accurately say what is 'art' and what isn't. Some things cannot be said! Isn't that why people do art? >>>>I personally found the 'everything is art' argument both tedious and irritating. I find everything tedious and irritating! No seriously, I never said everything was art. What I meant was that all this pop music stuff is. A lot of its crap art. I find the 'pop is not art' stance a bit old hat! >>>>I think the closest anyone got was that things that are more 'artistic' are often more 'with concept'. (And before anyone talks of totally non-conceptual art, that in itself is a concept. Or something.) I guess there's a level of awareness of concept, ie. some art is made without a premeditated concept but must still have some kind of concept. >>>>No wonder I got so disillusioned with the bullshit. And to think it only took me one year of genetic science to get disillusioned with the bullshit! But I see your point - thinking about this stuff is pointless. Just do it. This is even more pointless: >>>>Strokes definitely sound very Fall, although maybe in the same way Elastica sound very Wire. So are you implying that Strokes have two songs that blatantly lift riffs from Fall songs? If so which Fall songs? Pavement lifted the drum part to Hip Priest and really only had 2 other songs that sounded like the Fall, yet got comparisons all the time, so it's possible I've heard all the wrong Strokes songs. Whatever, I find them bland in the sense that they are fairly inoffensive and easy on my ears and their songs are fairly forgettable, except for one with really cringeworthy lyrics about NY City cops which I've heard enough times for it to stick. Is that one a single? It's still a pretty crap tune compared to all the influences Ian mentioned... >>>>Bland? Maybe, but not Hear'Say bland. What do you mean by Hear'Say bland? >>>>To be honest, I'm not afraid to admit that I like some mainstream(ish) pop stuff, which seems to be the opposite stance to a lot of people on this list -- yes, I own records by Depeche Mode, Bowie, New Order, Undertones, Moby, Human League (well, one record) and I don't care -- wahahahahahaha! Erm. I own records by New Order, Nirvana, Neil Young, the Stranglers, Undertones, XTC, Abba, the Beatles, OMD, Pink Floyd, the Doors (well one record), Su Pollard (well one record), Kim Wilde (well one record), Hazel O'Connor (well one record), Gary Numan, Skids (remember that good ol' top 10 hit Into the Valley wahey! wahey! Come & play circus games was the best though!), Ultravox, Elvis Costello, Blondie, even Mike Oldfield & Klaus Wunderlich... the list could go on & on... it's just that I don't listen to a lot of this stuff (except the first 4) all that often (unless I'm using some of it to make loops) because I've discovered much more interesting stuff since. There is nothing to be afraid of its only mouldy old dough! Neil Young & New Order & maybe Elvis Costello are artists whose new records I'd be curious enough about to get them out of the library. Almost got that Blondie reunion album out several times but always thought I'd really rather not, for some reason. Maybe I was just so worried about blowing my cool in front of middle aged laibrarians who wouldn't know Blondie from Bleach. >>>>Are you trawling IC back issues or something? No, I have a memory of my own! >>>>However, I still say 'Sexy and Rich' is in some ways reminiscent of Robert Palmer. I've had three other people (only one of whom knew Wire) say _exactly_ the same thing. People do have odd perceptions of Wire sometimes. I did a compilation tape for one friend who quite liked the Dome and solo Gilbert stuff but said that he thought Wire sounded like the Pet Shop Boys! He was slightly more impressed by He Said TITLE & Advantage In Height when he heard them in passing from the brochure though. >>>>It's some of the general sound of the whole thing (voice, drums, bass, but not guitar or atmospherics) The thing that really makes that song for me is the guitar that sounds like a drill. Or is it a sample of a drill? The rhythm is pure Wire! It couldn't be anyone else! >>>>Either way, the version on 'Catch Supposes' is a hell of a lot better than 'Vien' I like them both! But I am not a Robert Palmer fan, or indeed a Pet Shop Boys fan. >>>>By the way: anyone else notice how 'In Esse' is basically the same as Hear'Say's new single? Uncanny... :) What is Hear'Say? Something that sounds almost but not entirely completely unlike In Esse? I did go to a gig with the punk band Heresy but they split up. Talking of pointlessness... ======================================== "Personally I have absolutely no problems with Justine or the Elastica project and I like the music." Bruce Gilbert (NME.COM) Craig new a crap joke when he heard it >>>Yeah, whatever. Anyone else think that he was taking the piss with this? I agree with Graeme on this: their '12XU' is bloody awful, as is their 'Three Girl Rhumba'. I also remember a Select interview where a certain Mr. Newman said (with tongue firmly in cheek) that there is "no such thing as credible pop"... =============================== I think Tim might have been playing devils advocate with that quote! Craig & I might enjoy a lot of Bruce's music but it doesn't mean we have to bow down to his every word and agree with everything he says like mindless sheep! The sad thing is that eNMEy.com probably only quote the least interesting words from Bruce that have ever ended up in print! Elastica is a minor irritation. I suspect that Bruce also would rather scotch the eNMEy bitching game... I'm also reminded of something Bob Bert of Chrome Cranks said to me about the cover of Neubauten's 'Yu Gung' which one of his previous bands Pussy Galore recorded. They met Blixa Bargeld and asked him if he minded them covering it. Blixa's reply was something along the lines of: of course not, more money for me! Wire did see a little bit of dosh from all those Elastica covers didn't they? There was also a bit of Wire politics going on here behind the scenes here which I'm not going to go into. Whatever Bruce's opinion, I doubt he goes home and relaxes to the ever so fun & groovey dated sound of Elastica albums! I think Colin was quite right to get pissed off with that band considering that they were going round telling the press he was their best mate when he'd never met them... They are not even fleas that nibble away! Graeme np Thermal & Seofon - A Monument of Chance ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:57:05 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Non/Music To grow up by/Travis album (Publicly bought my girlfriend a...) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Graeme Rowland > Would it be 'in poor taste' to mention the (fairly > crap) Non album 'Might' (Mute) on which a tape of a > woman being raped is supposedly used on one track? It > doesn't exactly diminish the effect, but it certainly > makes the track a more uncomfortable listen when you > know that. In fact my copy ended up in a secondhand > shop some time ago, but mostly because I found it > quite boring & depressing. It's not in poor taste to mention it. Very poor taste to have used the tape however - unless it was with consent of the victim. On a different thread, I still listen to a fair bit of music that I grew up with. This includes Wire, which I first encountered as a 14 year old. And way elsewhere, on the subject of 'cool', I bought my girlfriend a Travis album in Tesco the other day. That was an uncomfortable experience - even despite getting served by an old dear, and throwing it in amongst the weetabix and mushrooms. I've never considered myself 'cool' but I have to admit I've felt more than a little self conscious purchasing certain records as gifts in certain places. The temptation to mention to the complete stranger at the checkout that the Stereophonics / Erasure / Robbie Williams album is not for myself, but simply a present for somebody else is always lurking there. Why should I care? I don't know, but I do. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:04:09 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Non/Music To grow up by/Travis album (Publicly bought my girl... HEY! what's wrong with (Vince Clarke) Erasure?...Erasure is a good solid Pop group who write good solid pop songs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:09:02 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] More Bruce >From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= >Subject: [idealcopy] Ab Ovo & In Esse & ELpH When I spoke to him in Edinburgh he said he'd >been exploring beautiful sounds but didn't know yet if >he had anything for the third in the trilogy. Perhaps >the definition of a 'beautiful sound' is one that >isn't exactly concrete (excuse the pun) but if his DJ >spots at the Labradford festival of drifting were >anything to go by, then In Esse part 2 isn't round the >corner, but I wouldn't try to second guess the >Beekeeper! As I've said here before, my bet is the next installment will be as different from the 2nd as the 2nd was from the 1st. Having pushed noise beyond where he's gone before w/ In Esse, that the next album may go in the other extreme would make sense (i.e. beautiful rather than harsh). >Craig on In Esse >>>>>If I want static, I'll detune my radio. > >Afterwards try tuning it to a station that plays >Robert Palmer. Then you won't need your Vien CD >either! Yes, there are worse things than static (to my ears). Still, Craig's explanations of why he dislikes In Esse make perfect sense to me, except that I don't buy the "writer's block" thing. I have believe that Bruce is sincere in believing that it was worth putting out--and I agree with him. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:00:30 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Wire, Corruption and Lies. http://www.nme.com/NME/External/News/News_Story/0,1004,36784,00.html Click above for interesting set list by IC favourites New Order's recent Liverpool Gig. Opened with Atmosphere, thats an interesting way to start a show! I can't believe they played Love Vigilantes and Your Silent Face, almost wish I'd gone now! But surely Blue Monday encore is not necessary unless playing to a....er....Festival Crowd? (c) SpinalTap I believe at least one of us was there, any reports from the front line? On the subject of NO, I'm interested in the Wire connection. First time I heard mention of Wire was I think in a New Order biog in my teens Presumably Wire Mk#1 played with Joy Division? Did Ian dig Wire and Vice Versa? They certainly had a lot in common musically and in terms of graphics and presentation. Was there much crosstalk, or did they not want to play with the boys from the rough estate?! To my ears some of the 80s Wire-Pop singles have a real New Order feel to them especially Ahead and In Vivo. Yer man E.G.Lewis often uses that twangy/chorused bass sound beloved of Mr Hook (as does Mr Newman on his solo outings)...was there a mutual appreciation? Now Playing: The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour-Ah ________________________ Power, Corruption and Flies http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:15:40 +0100 From: "Dr.volume" Subject: [idealcopy] Jim O'Rourke & The Death of Cool Graeme wrote: >np KK Null & Jim O'Rourke - New Kind of Water >(Charnel) Jim O'Rourke! Theres a fella! Take note readers. Be you Avant Garde or Poptastic or somewhere in between, you will all like at least *some* of this man's music. He traverses mine and Graemes musical oceans with ease. He calls into Port Robinson to make fantastic acoustic pop albums/Burt Baccarach covers/collaborations with Stereolab and High Llamas. Then he boards the ferry to Rowlands Island for all kinds of electroacoustic shenanigans with Thurston Moore and gawd knows who else. I like some his abstract stuff too! Whats New Kind of Water like? >Mark asked > >>>>Are there any decent new German bands? Mouse on Mars are f**king brilliant. Can/Neu fans will find the spirit of those bands very much alive with an added electronic kick in their consistently splendid LPs. Think Krautrock, Brian Wilson and Autechre. Start with their latest cut, "Idiology" and work backwards. Expect lengthy retrospective magazine articles/loads of current bands namechecking MOM in twenty years time. But I always say that don't I? Question for German listees....Are MOM recognised in their homeland? After Charles wrote Graeme Wrote: > >>>3. Many people listen to music because they think >its cool not because >they like it. Want proof? Read this digest. > >How do you presume to know why anyone on Ideal Copy >listens to what they listen to unless they >specifically state the reason? This is the height of >arrogance. I think we all listen to music that we like >or we'd be a bunch of morons. You're right there. If anything this digest proves that listees music tastes are guided by individual, personal taste. Most listees are keen to discuss their listening habits because there is such a range of tastes on this list and it all helps us understand different perceptions of Wire, and of course promotes lots of crosstalk amongst people from different musical worlds. I don't think anyone on this list is trying to be "Cool"! We are all pretty clued up here anyway! Most of my friends and family are baffled by the obscurity of my record collection, but here on Idealcopy I am Mr Mainstream! I find that funny as f**k! Graeme's listening picks are chosen with as much conviction and sincerity as all listees whether they like listening to Genesis or my beloved Super Furry Animals! I fall out with GR when he disses things because they are popular and relatively lightweight compared to his diet of far-left sonic intensity. He falls out with me when I have a dig at things I haven't really listened to...like Merzbow. I've refrained from dismissing Coil recently because I know them only by some rather un-inspiring remixes I've heard As far as I'm concerned if you subscribe to this list, you are cool as f**k. - ---------------- Are You Hot? Are You Hot? Are You Hot? I Feel Ambishussssss. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:00:55 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Jim O'Rourke & The Death of Cool nice one! cheers to you my friend! couldn't have said it better myself.....i appreciate all of you and i appreciate having a forum to exchange ideas, information, and a some hearty laughs....i have been turned on to a lot of really good music because of a lot of posts here....i just hope that i may have done the same for someone out there......take care everyone, good night...oh, and of course i had a great day of listening between my walkman and home stereo..a real jumble of stuff : Transonic - Downstream Illusion (FAX label)..a solid ambient dub effort by NY based producer Robert Musso..... New Order - Lowlife....couldn't resist popping this out for a spin after all the talk of New Order lately....i hope the new album will be good Colin Newman - Commercial Suicide...lot of talk about this one recently too...I am quite fond of this one....i think it is his best..orchestral ambience.... Wolfgang Press - Standing Up Straight (4AD)...brings back fond memories just as Commercial Suicide does....i love the quirkiness of their stuff...it grooves along nicely..... The The - Soul Mining....yes, i know...i popped on a lot of classics today!...it was a domino effect i guess...but Matt Johnson has always been criminally underated in my book....a talent indeed...i wish somebody would finally issue The Pornography of Despair and Spirit (as was promised years ago...these were early lps that never saw the light of day) Meat Beat Manifesto - 99% .....punky techno/industrial in the vein of Renegade Soundwave...bouncing along with some serious beats and bass....great to fire me up this afternoon when i was feeling a little lazy at work.... Metamatics - Dope for the Robot....a group that names themselves after a John Foxx album can't be half bad.....i was expecting more though...this was a recent purchase that wasn't as good as i had hoped...might have worked better as a 4 track ep....runs out of steam as a full length.....a bit like a watered down Mouse On Mars (who i am starting to like more and more)... Chris Clark - Clarence Park (Warp)...another new purchase that i am quite happy with....obvious comparisons will no doubt crop up with Aphex Twin and U-ziq. especially those two in their more noisy/playful moments..but there are also hidden gems of beauty which are unique.....a broad pallette of electronic music...harsh, pretty, floating,thumping,....a lot of my friends are split down the middle..those that hate it REALLY hate it...those that love it REALLY love it...check it out! it seems to be a fairly inexpensive release as well...... more of course tommorrow....opinions/memories/further critiques of any of the above? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:29:22 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] last night i was msotly listening to... Bill Laswell - Lo.Def Pressure Remember Shakti - Disc 2 of "Remember Shakti" (awesome tabla and mridrangan solos from Zakir Hussain and Vinu Vinakarum) ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #221 *******************************