From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #212 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, July 12 2001 Volume 04 : Number 212 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... ["Jerry @ Vane Recordings" ] RE: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] Associates [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot [RLynn9@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot ["Eric Klaver" ] [idealcopy] Re: Squarepusher [dr.volume@btinternet.com] Re: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot ["dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... Don't have "Ralf & Florian" but, in hindsight, I guess side 2 of "Autobahn" could be labelled Krautrock. Dunno bout TEE though - ----- Original Message ----- From: stephen graziano To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... > Kraftwerk is a little hard to label. I personally would include "Ralf and > Florian", and "Autobahn" (surely an epitome of the genre?), and I lean > toward "Trans Europe Express" also - if only for the Eno/Bowie/Berlin > influence and the (critically neat) crossover of cosmiche/psyche/prog into > art/punk/post. DAF? definately not - they are squarely in the > punk/postpunk/Rough Trade scene. > > >From: "Jerry @ Vane Recordings" > >Reply-To: "Jerry @ Vane Recordings" > >CC: > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... > >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:39:20 +0100 > > > > > D.A.F.'s 'Der Musslolini' 'Kebab Traume' and a few others, > > > plus all Kraftwerk up to and including Computer World... > > > does Trio's 'DaDaDa' count as Krautrock? ;-) > > > >Does Kraftwerk post-"Kraftwerk 2" or D.A.F.'s entire output count as > >Krautrock, surely that's the question? The fact that they were (mostly) > >German doesn't automatically place them in the Krautrock bracket... > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:06:57 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] eh? >Howard is maybe a little off his trolley? why, cos I haven't been to These yet or because I praised rough trade? I don't understand. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:06:42 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... as i've already admitted on the list i've not heard Neu!(remedied soon) or Cluster... /////////////////////////// Neu! is one of the few bands that I have been able to download from Napster still I highly recommend any of the Cluster/Eno projects. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:16:06 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Associates John, << Btw, does anyone know if that album was ever reissued on CD? I spent a good 2-3 hours a few weeks ago transferring and "restoring" (i.e., de-clicking/EQ'ing) my vinyl copy to CD, thinking it had never been reissued, and recently someone insisted that they'd seen it in a shop somewhere. I suppose I could've easily missed it... >> The Affectionate Punch exists in two distinct forms. The one with the b&w picture of Billy Mac and Alan R on the front, dressed as sprinters, is the original and is far superior to the heavily remixed/re-recorded version (with the red & black cover). This had lots of 80s-style synths loaded on to it (by the band, who thought the original sounded like a demo). May have sounded more "now" in '82 but the simple guitar/bass/drums sound of the original has aged far better. Funny how that always happens....The red & black version was reissued on CD in the mid-90s, but the original never has. Until last year the Associates' legacy was very badly treated - however the reissues of Sulk, Fourth Drawer Down and the Double Hipness rarities compilation was most welcome. The remastering was handled by ex-Associates/Cure bassist Michael Dempsey who is promising more stuff from the vaults, so this might include TAP. While remembered as a glossy pop act, the Associates were a phenomenal live band (for the few months in 1980-81 that they acually toured). To get an idea of how powerful they sounded, try and track down the original peel session ep (the five-track first session with A Matter of Gender/Nude Spoons etc, not the Radio 1 sessions CD album, which is mainly later fizzy pop Billy Mac solo stuff). Michael D has live mixing desk tapes (there is one track from the ICA 1980 on Double Hipness) - so a live album is a possibility. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:23:23 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot i agree,,,that early stuff was a lot of fun... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:17:05 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot i have some great memories of a club here in saint louis called 1227....from 1987-1992 it hosted some great electronic nights...i had the pleasure of witnessing live acts such as Severed Heads, /////////////////// Saw Severed Heads on the Rotund for Success tour. That were phenomenal. Ellard came out with a strap on mini keyboard that I thought was incredibly cheesy until he did a Pete Townsend on it at the end of the set. I still get teased by my wife for having a key from the instrument as a memento. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:16:59 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] for my pleasure...and beyond! Felton Frog-Mon: On the Krautrock subject, I used to own an EP/LP by Jah Wobble/Holger Czukay/The Edge (Irish Krautrock?) called "Snake Charmer" and have been unable to find it on CD, has anyone seen it in digital format? //////////////////////// I forgot about that 10" gem (out of context that could be quite damning). I don't ever recall it being on CD> I believe it was released at the time that CDs were just hitting the market and it was such an oddball that I bet no one ever bothered. Pity. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:28:31 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OMD live Howard, << Never saw OMD live but thought they always had a drummer - Dave Hughes in the early days and Malcolm Holmes later on. Of course they may have just bashed syndrums roughly in time to the drum machine, I don't know. >> Saw OMD in late 1980 and they played as a full four-piece - McCluskey on bass and vocals, Humphreys on keyboards, plus another keyboard player and a drummer. Very little (if anything) was sequenced, as sequencers were a very new-fangled thing indeed in 1980. While OMD may be a soft target in hindsight there was a time when they were a hip band...single on Factory, very much part of the Echo/Teardrops 1979 Liverpool scene. Obtuse lyrics about solar power, phone boxes and the nuking of Hiroshima etc. At that time they played as a two-piece, backed by a reel-to-reel. Early copies of the second album came with a free EP of the backing tape from the reel-to-reel. Sold the album ages ago, but kept the ep! I'd say the Peel sessions CD is worth owning, and the B-sides compilation looks interesting. Contains OMD's tribute to Neu! - which from the reviews seems to be a ambient Rother-style piece rather than a motorik wig-out... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:39:23 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] it's hot.../when i was 6 Ian, Whew! from what I remember of the 60s I loved the Beatles (early mopotop stuff particularly - still own a Beatles EP I got for Xmas one year!) but didn't like the Rolling Stones and thought the Kinks were whiney! I had a penchant for grandiose pop - Good Vibrations, Downtown, even Tom Jones records! Really I was more interested in football. Or cars. Or aircraft. Or Scalextric. The revelation didn't come until I was 10, with T Rex, Bowie, Slade etc. The flood gates have been open for the subsequent 30 years. Mark << when i was 6, i was most probably listening to all the Beatles lp's up to and including 'Sgt. Pepper's...' and The Monkees 'Headquarters', as well as my dad's Sinatra/Bennett/Como/Bassey/ (there was no getting away from Cilla Black either...) plus the wider family's 7" singles like, Bobby Vee 'Rubber Ball' Jimi Hendrix 'Hey Joe' Little Eva 'The Locomotion' Bill Haley & The Comets 'Skinnie Minnie' (at 78 rpm) The Shadows 'Apache/FBI/Wonderful Land/' Cliff Richard & The Shadows 'Move It' (still one of the best rock & roll singles ever made!) Swinging Blue Jeans 'Hippie Hippie Shake' Gerry & The Pacemakers 'I Like It' all that '60's Merseybeat' stuff... as well as the odd 'Irish Rebel Songs' lp i seem to remember... >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:41:57 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Symptoms of "Well, er..." Graeme, << Marc Riley & The Creepers - Four A's from Maida Vale (including Lard's tribute to Weller: "Who loves the queen & who votes tory, come on joker tell us a story, dimwit well, er") >> I remember Mark E Smith delivering a similar rap (when Lard was still in the Fall) at the Hammersmith Palais, about 1982. Something like "....now I don't like Maggie....all the money I made from mod has made me feel guilty...town called crappy...."etc) Much of Lard's career was based on dissing other bands - eg "I listen to the Cure by choice" Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:36:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Swim CDs Rob wrote: >do any of you know where i can get the best prices >on these swim cds: Don't know about the "best" prices, but Swim run a mail order service from their Web site @ http://www.swimhq.com, so why not try there first (although the first Lobe album is OOP, so they will do a CDR of that one)? >opinions on these cds? If you've seen Wireviews, you'll already know my opinions, but briefly: >Immersion - Oscillating Organic, interesting, somewhat ambient, but with an occassional kick. >Immersion - Low Impact 2xcd Mostly beatless, rhythmic and fractured "soundscapes". Sits well with the video, but works in isolation. Probably the best C+M release to date. The second CD is kind of throwaway in comparison, but is still worth a listen and is comprised of C+M's "Dance" experiments. >Lobe - Lobe Probably remains the best release Swim~ has put out. Get it at all costs. >Lobe - Hibernation Not quite as good as the first album for some reason, but still essential. >Symptoms - Apathy I've only listened to this once all the way through. Initial impressions are that it's more ambient and introspective than the first Symptoms CD, lacking a bit of bite, but is more contemplative. C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:10:35 00100 From: dr.volume@btinternet.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Squarepusher RLynn9 (11 posts in one digest, is that a record?)wrote: >has anyone heard the new squarepusher cd "go plastic" ???? what is it like? >drill and bass? jazzy? both? electronica? acid? .....let me know! is it out >in the u.s. yet? Its breakneck cut-up drum & bass, with the emphasis on bass. Its not as melodic/jazzy as the first couple of LPs but much more listenable than 'Music is rotted one note' which I thought was dire. First track 'My Red Hot Car' is an amusing take on Craig David style british R&B. He doesn't play any electric bass on it (a shame) and it has a more programmed sound than his recent 'organic' stuff, theres loads of little twists and turns but it rattles through so fast I probably missed half of it. Its not a bad record but I must say Drum & Bass was old hat two years ago, and theres lots of beats, samples & DJ tricks on this record that have been done to death. I'd like to have heard him do more Squarepusher takes on 2-Step or whatever, like the opening track. As for the US release date i've no idea. try www.warprecords.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:16:20 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot >dan, who's just started reading "profession of violence" & assumes it'll >shed some light on renegade soundwave's kray twins (never saw the '90s movie >with the spandau ballet guys -- ? -- playing the pair) > >////// they made a really duff video for that track , as the lyrics mention the blind beggar pub , the film cuts to a shot of one of the band pretending to be......a blind beggar. oh dear. great track though. haven't gotten far enough into the book to find out the blind beggar pub's significance, but i remember that scene from the video -- which for years marked my only encounter with the song, until i found the 2cd retrospective used in the college town up the highway from here. purely off the top of my head, i'd say that kray twins & biting my nails are my 2 favorite rsw tracks. >RSW were way ahead of their time , the albums were an infuriating mix of real classics and some horrible throwaway numbers (like a cover of "can't get used to losing you" , pathetic. not to mention "pocket porn" , which i won't). "can't" *was* remarkably poor, wasn't it? >>maybe "RSW in dub" is the one that's aged best , the holger hiller tracks are great. you could make a great compilation tape up from the 4 albums. > >i always think rema rema must have been a fabulous meeting of minds. wonder what chance a reunion gig with a set taken from all their subsequent bands? i'd pay to see that.p has that 12" ever come out on cd? i'm lucky as hell to have picked up a used copy of the vinyl back in the early '80s. dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:22:58 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Squarepusher From that description it sounds dreadful! Mark << Its breakneck cut-up drum & bass, with the emphasis on bass. Its not as melodic/jazzy as the first couple of LPs but much more listenable than 'Music is rotted one note' which I thought was dire. First track 'My Red Hot Car' is an amusing take on Craig David style british R&B. He doesn't play any electric bass on it (a shame) and it has a more programmed sound than his recent 'organic' stuff, theres loads of little twists and turns but it rattles through so fast I probably missed half of it. Its not a bad record but I must say Drum & Bass was old hat two years ago, and theres lots of beats, samples & DJ tricks on this record that have been done to death. I'd like to have heard him do more Squarepusher takes on 2-Step or whatever, like the opening track. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:27:42 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] squarepusher/arab strap/ strokes that swim, and some listening the new squarepusher is indeed out in the us. i see it in the shops here for $12 even. arab strap are (mostly) like spoken word diatribes backed by quiet Low-ish noodling or loud wall-of-sound stuff with some technoish flourishes. from what i've heard. btw, if colin want some more promotions for swim, he should talk to the father of the guy from the strokes. man, did he set up that band good. now you cant go anywhere without people dropping their name into reviews and converstatoin while hearing idiotic nme quotes like "a band like the strokes comes along once in a lifetime, you should be glad they came along in yours". oh, please. listening for today : king crimson - in the court of.. gorky's zygotic mynci - spanish dance troupe autechre - tri repatae neu! -neu! 75 the fall - live at the witch trials television - adventure mansun - little kix sparklehorse - good morning spider ~swim team 1 ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:44:51 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] squarepusher/arab strap/ strokes that swim, and some listening funny you should remind of my playlist for the entire day...between walkman, office stereo, car stereo, and home listening tonight...here is my plan: Cluster - Sowiesoso Klaus Schulze - Blackdance Nev - 3 different e.p.s from the old GPR label Current 93 - I have a special plan for this world David Sylvian - Secrets of the Beehive Thelonius Monk - Blue Monk This Mortal Coil - Filigree and Shadow Robert Gorl - Night Full of Tension ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:57:07 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: [idealcopy] OT RFH Gig Did we know about this? C The Pretty Things & The Soft Boys Royal Festival Hall Fri 19 Oct 2001 8:00pm #17.50 (bcdefgp) #15 (hjlru) #12.50 (kmno) The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:55:04 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Daft Basement Sickens Punk! Robert was sickened by Tim's dodgy summer listening habits >>>>the fact that you put Basement Jaxx or Daft Punk in the same sentence as Autechre or Squarepusher..or even in the same paragraph as Wire sickens me....both groups are pathetic and cheesy Both BJ & DP are such fluff to my ears that they make absolutely no impression on me at all. I know I've heard them, but like *every* other recent chart muzak cut I've had foisted on me by the continual hard sell soft noise installation that is the modern British city centre, I can't remember it beyond the fact that it didn't make an impression. Well, there was a an interesting noise on a Wu Tang Clan track actually & I had to ask who it was. There's always the odd exception. But great pop should hook you with one listen: Day Tripper, Money Money Money, I Am The Fly, Disorder, The Flowers of Romance, Senses Working Overtime, You Trip Me Up, Makes No Sense At All, You Made Me Realise, Smells Like Teen Spirit... it shouldn't leave no mark at all! By definition one should not have to make any effort at all to get into pop! It's an instant and addictive fix. And they say 'kids' today make no effort... little wonder record sales are falling... where's me pipe'n'slippers? Super Furry Animals are a different kettle of fish, even though I've heard plenty of their songs and can't recall the tune to a single one. They set my teeth on edge in the same way that Oasis do. Hearing their music actually makes me feel physically ill! Genesis has a similar effect, whereas Radiohead just send the blandometer off the scale. Squarepusher certainly defied expectations on the couple of occasions I've seen him live, unlike Autechre. Tom Jenkinson is a consumate musician, but he also descends to cheese sometimes. Luke Vibert makes nice polite foot tappin' poptones but I'd much rather listen to Autechre albums at home. They are *never* cheesy. Being from the Planet Vega I have a big problem with digesting cheese. To me, the only thing Tim was listening to that warrants sensible comparison to Wire is Autechre. But who am I to demand sensibility? As for hardcore punk being noisy, sweaty, nasty - these words could also be used to describe the recent Autechre gig at Manchester Rockworld. To my ears though, Super Furry Animals are infinitely nastier than Minor Threat or Black Flag! They are not noisier perhaps, and I have no idea how much they sweat. Michael commented sensibly >>>>But to place a value on something based on time--because it's new OR old, doesn't make much sense to me. I agree with your point & I could be mistaken but I think what Tim was getting at was not that he implicitly valued the music of *now* above music from prehistoric eras, but rather that for him there usually has to be a perceived contemporary relevance to his listening. He does like the Beach Boys... In the context of Wire just because the Wire gig at Edinburgh was the best one I've seen and the tape I have (thanks Uri!) confirms it as their most vital and hard hitting performance, that doesn't stop me from bunging the old Hull 79 gig in the walkman every now & then or taking my Come Back in Two Halves LP to the turntable for a spin every now & then! The fact that 12 Times You makes 12XU sound very slow doesn't stop me enjoying the Pink Flag album. Despite the fact that Tim listens to things that I wouldn't touch with a bargepole, I have to say his contribution to the 'What were you listening to?' thing is a breath of fresh air in comparison to all the obvious seventies eighties nostalgia that keeps recurring. Of course time is a derangement, he said as he slipped a compilation of obscure Japanese pop recorded by Fred Frith in 1984 onto the turntable. The mark of great music is that it kills time, shuts it down! What have you been listening to recently Michael? As for the serious / frivolous debate, Colin touches on something relevant to this discussion in the interview with Jimmy Possession which Craig put up on Wireviews recently. Towards the end Colin makes the rather obvious point that Wire do not exist to compete with the likes of 'Britney' but consider themselves a part of the art world, whatever that is. I say 'obvious' because the idea of a Colin Newman plasticised baby dribble proof poster on sale at the local corner shop is a pretty absurd one in this strand of reality. Uri's video was never going to outsell Buffy the Vampire slayer was it? Colin's comments on Robbie Williams also hold true for Wham! who Tim was trying to draw a light hearted Wire comparison to a few months ago. It perhaps comes down to high art versus vapid cabaret? Of course Wire, like Duchamps, are not bound by a high art rulebook, but it makes more sense in terms of what they have achieved than the pop context, which is where they have their roots (Colin & Graham at least). Michael makes a brilliant comment! >>>>Depends on how serious you think Marcel Duchamps was. This excludes Robert (by his own request) of course. I think Marcel had a sense of humor, but was pretty serious overall. I think that's true of Wire's front-line as well. In the context in which he operated, Duchamps was a genius. The effect of his work was untouchable and unrepeatable and was about the idea rather than the object in itself. Of course others were influenced by him, but the getting up the nose factor was necessarily diminished unless context shifted, ie. skinhead entomologists witnessing document had little knowledge of high art shenanigans. Like Colin, Bruce & Graham perhaps, Duchamps was never entirely happy with being accepted as an artist at face value. He set out to destroy art, but only recontextualised it. Another Wire (well certainly Lewis & Gilbert) influence was Joseph Beuys. I think it is appropriate to state the following quote from him at this point: "Art is the only truly revolutionary force in the world." "Art is the only truly revolutionary force in the world." "Art is the only truly revolutionary force in the world." "Art is the only truly revolutionary force in the world." He transfered his soul to his imagination! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:15:12 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last nights wonderful listening Robert Lynn wrote ....PLEASE share > your opinions on any of the following: > 2/3. coil- "musick to play in the dark" 1 & 2 I know it should be the music we discuss, but I knew a guy at University who knew Coil (or had met them) in the mid-late eighties. He claimed they were real extreme misogynists. Also, Stephen Thrower who did a stint with them used to be in an outfit called Possession (whose album "The Thin White Arms..." I own), which also boasted membership of one Anna Vagina War, who was actually a man, who openly flaunted his paedophiliac tendencies/preferences. Maybe he was trying to 'provoke a reaction.' Anyway, since the vogue at the moment is to post playlists, here's what I've been listening to in recent days (usually whilst ploughing through my email) David Thomas - Monster Walks The Winter Lake David Thomas - Blame The Messenger Tricky - Blowback (a reasonable opening ten minutes fades away) Sparklehorse - It's a Wonderful Life Lambchop - What Another Man Spills Chrome - Alien Soundtracks He Said Omala - Catch Supposes Misia - Misia Gilbert and Lewis - 3R4 Massive Attack - Mezzanine Arab Strap - Elephant Shoe (Robert, imagine a very drunk Scotsman talking to you in a cramped bedsit at about 4am whilst his mate plays guitar against a drum machine and you're only part way there; I rate them actually, so don't let the lazy description put you off if you've not heard them) On the subject of Conrad Schnitzler, I've only heard one track (called 'Et Hop' on a cassette compilation series called Rising From the Red Sand) and I'd have to say I hope it wasn't representative of his oeuvre. It was awful; weedy eurosynthpop music for kids type stuff. Chris and Cosey - I've only heard a few bits and pieces from the eighties, reasonably interesting stuff at the time - no idea how things progressed though ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:58:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Felton Frog-Mon Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure...and beyond! ICers... No music listening yesterday, but Radiohead did a rather silly cameo on South Park last night... On the way to work...listened to: He Said - Take Care > unheard of ... a list composed of discs i not only > mostly own (except for > welt & dead can dance) but have been known to listen OOPS.... I apologize and will be sure to make my future lists much more obscure! The Welt album is Ogre's first "official" solo album and is quite good. It's actually kind of pop-oriented and has a lot less vocal treatments than Skinny Puppy! > to (except for ok > computer & fat of the land, which didn't do a whole > lot for me). i esp. > can't imagine the list includes too many type o fans > (world coming down > might actually be better than bloody kisses, but > either way it's a close > call). I'd side with Bloody Kisses on the Type O' front. I'm definitely an 'album' person and that strikes me as the best one overall. World Coming Down doesn't really click with me...although I prefer it over October Rust. And lately, they seem to be a very uneven live band. Hasta Luego Todos, RJH Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:05:30 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure...and beyond! In a message dated 7/11/01 12:41:41 PM, r_j_h@yahoo.com writes: > >Any Faust fans with favorites to recommend? i'm surprised nobody has listed them yet. tough to choose a favorite cuz there's so much diversity. i would say they're stronger now than 25 years ago. i don't have a tremendous amount of their stuff, but of the older work, i love the album "so far" for the music and the package with all the illustrations. it's very songlike most of the way through, with nice touches of quirky weirdness. i also love "ravvivando", a much more recent release, very jammy, krautrocky, noisy stuff, and in a nice gatefold sleeve. the bonus 10" is great too, one track with lyrics by max ernst. lastly, for fans of the noise, i recommend picking up the two live cds on table of the elements, "the faust concerts" volumes 1 & 2. they are not so easy to come by anymore, but the packaging (by independent project press) is beautiful. as far as can, my pick is tago mago, but i don't own a tremendous amount of their stuff either. there is a nice collection called "unlimited edition" which compiles material from 68-75. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:34:23 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot haven't gotten far enough into the book to find out the blind beggar pub's significance, but i remember that scene from the video -- which for years marked my only encounter with the song, //////one of the regulars in the pub dissed ronnie kray and he went round to sort him out......start of the end for the poor ol' psychopath until i found the 2cd retrospective > used in the college town up the highway from here. purely off the top of my > head, i'd say that kray twins & biting my nails are my 2 favorite rsw > tracks. > /////some of the later , slicker stuff is pretty good too. try "positive i.d" or the title track off the "howyoudoin" cd > > "can't" *was* remarkably poor, wasn't it? > /////taking on andy williams and losing is no mean feat > > >i always think rema rema must have been a fabulous meeting of minds. wonder > what chance a reunion gig with a set taken from all their subsequent bands? > i'd pay to see that.p > > has that 12" ever come out on cd? i'm lucky as hell to have picked up a used > copy of the vinyl back in the early '80s. > /////don't think so. "feedback song" is on the 4ad "natures mortes" compilation (with extra intro not on the 12") but i don't think anything else is available now. also i think the mass album is one of the few 4ad releases never on cd (strangely , its pretty good) p > dan > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-xc02.mx.aol.com (rly-xc02.mail.aol.com > [172.20.105.135]) by air-xc05.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id > MAILINXC51-0712102821; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:28:21 -0400 > Received: from smoe.org (78.64/28.201.89.66.in-addr.arpa [66.89.201.78]) > by rly-xc02.mx.aol.com (v79.20) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXC27-0712102803; > Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:28:03 -0400 > Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id KAA03073; > Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:18:10 -0400 (EDT) > Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:18:07 -0400 > Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id KAA03026 > for idealcopy-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:17:11 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net > [204.127.131.49]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with > ESMTP id KAA03014 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:17:05 > -0400 (EDT) > Received: from default ([12.93.227.2]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net > (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id > <20010712141812.LENF3707.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@default>; Thu, 12 > Jul 2001 14:18:12 +0000 > From: "dan bailey" > To: > Cc: > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:16:20 -0500 > Message-ID: <01c10add$390a21a0$02e35d0c@default> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 > Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org > Precedence: bulk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:41:14 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Faust Favourites >>Any Faust fans with favorites to recommend? *Ravvivando (how will they ever top this one?) *Faust Wakes Nosferatu *Edinburgh 97 (first of 4 Faust gigs I've been to) Live at Mini-Meltdown tape (I was at the gig, so were Bruce & Colin) *Faust IV (for 'Krautrock') Untitled (for 'Krautrock' remixed by Irmler) *Faust (best seventies album overall) *71 Minutes of Faust *You Know Faust (Peron's tweeness lets the side down a bit in parts but 'Hurricane' is amazing!) *Rien (listen to the fish!) BBC Sessions+ Concerts I - Live in Hamburg (sloppy but the first track's a corker with the drill) Faust Tapes (a bit over-rated IMO but still very good) Faust So Far (definitely their poppiest album though) *essential I played 2 versions of 'Krautrock' at the same time, out of sync, when DJing & it was hard to tell it's such a wonderfully dense & chaotic track. Now I really must get on to Klangbad for a tape of their tribal armageddon gig at the Garage where Zappi filled the entire venue with choking green gas & 2 fire engines were called out. I met him after the gig and he doesn't speak much English so I summed up my impression of it by saying, "Apocalypse Now!" to him and he laughed, "Es was gut" or something (excuse pidgin German). Lo & behold Ravvivando turns up on sale at the Meltdown gig with a track called... 'Apocalypse' (vocals added since the Garage gig). Kevin & I both went to see the Nosferatu soundtrack thing in Manchester. Kevin didn't like 'You Know Faust' much but was very enthusiastic about the gig & bought 'Ravvivando'... What did you make of it Kevin? Faust are one of very few acts on the planet right now that it might be tough for Wire to follow... Wire play a metaphoric drill, but Faust use the real things (roadbreaker size). They like to smash TV's and set off fireworks too. If you get the chance to see them perform do not pass it up under any circumstances!!! The word is that a European tour should be happening in the Autumn. They also have an email list which at least 2 members of IC are subscribed to. I've heard one really good Amon Duul album but don't know which one it was. Some of their albums are utter shite though. I enjoyed Cluster II the few times I heard it. Can were great until Czukay took a back seat (most of Flow Motion and subsequent efforts rate a little too high on the blandometer) and I love the first 2 Neu! albums. The Nazgul 12" that came out on Day Release a couple of years back was a dark masterpiece. Guru Guru have their moments but are often a little too Hendrix / rawk freakout for my liking. Their records have dated considerably. Surely 'Radioactivity' by Kraftwerk can be considered experimental though? Predates quite a few synth pop groups... all Kraftwerk up to Computer World ist gut and the Orbital mix of Expo 2000 was quite nice. >>does anybody out there like Chris and Cosey at all? Yes. But Carter was a bit of a damp squib after GilbertPossStenger at Disobey!!! I like the CTI stuff best from the little I've heard, and Cosey's recently reissued solo album sounded good from the MP3 excerpts I downloaded. Chris & Cosey track is a highlight on 'Dugga - various artists play Drill' (WMO) Best of the post TG groups is Coil, hands down! I always think TG were so much more than just the music that the noises they left behind often paint quite a pale shadow. I regard Crass in a similar light. Can anyone recommend the Best TG live recordings? Anyone want to share Coil favourites? He glowed in the dark! Graeme np Ground Zero - Revolutionary Pekinese Opera ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:52:36 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] anyone care to help me out? any of you anywhere in the world care to help a record/cd collector out?...If anyone has and would like to sell/trade or knows where i could hunt down any of the following (new or used)i would greatly appreciate it..... 1. Liaisons Dangereuses -s/t album on cd or vinyl (ex DAF member) 2. John Foxx - Golden Section cd (japanese import only as far as i can tell) 3. Roedelius (of Cluster) - Selbsportrait 1,2,3,or 4 cds (i think 1 & 2 are on same cd) 4. Moebius (of Cluster)-Rastakrautpasta cd ( i think this is on one cd with Material) 5. Coil/Elph - pHILM 1 cd single 6. Coil -mail-order only bonus cd called Timemachines that came with Musick to Play in the Dark 2) 7.Herbie Hancock - Mwandishi cd 8.Herbie Hancock - Crossings cd 9. Cluster - Curiosum cd 10. Soundclash Republic "Birth of Shiva Shanti" (might be double cd, not sure) any help would be greatly appreciated!!!! thanks !! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:59:32 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Faust Favourites I like the cd by Tony Conrad and a couple members of Faust called "Outside the Dream Syndicate"...very mesmerising indeed....it's on the table of elements label ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:06:09 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Blind Beggar The pub's still there, in Whitechapel, and still as rough as ever. Went in for a (very) brief drink once in the 80s..... Mark << haven't gotten far enough into the book to find out the blind beggar pub's significance, but i remember that scene from the video -- which for years marked my only encounter with the song, //////one of the regulars in the pub dissed ronnie kray and he went round to sort him out......start of the end for the poor ol' psychopath >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:17:45 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Faust Favourites Graeme, <> I enjoyed Cluster II the few times I heard it. Can were great until Czukay took a back seat (most of Flow Motion and subsequent efforts rate a little too high on the blandometer)<< The first four are the ones - when they had vocalists. (Monster Movie, Tago Mago, Soundtracks, Ege Bamyasi). Cannibalism 1 is a good 'best of' drawn from the four and the best place to start. >> and I love the first 2 Neu! albums. >> Only the first two? Neu 75 is awesome, especially side 2, which is total punk rock. >>Can anyone recommend the Best TG live recordings?<< Manchester Rafters, Derby Ajanta and Mission of Dead Souls (San Francisco) are all excellent. Also worth tracking down is Journey through the body, an Italian radio project/session. >>Best of the post TG groups is Coil, hands down!<< Which is the one essential Coil album? Mark ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #212 *******************************