From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #211 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, July 12 2001 Volume 04 : Number 211 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] On The Book Front... [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: OT TG OMD OMG ["david mack" ] [idealcopy] RS(v)P Live ["wiremailorder.com" ] Re: [idealcopy] On The Book Front... ["ian jackson" ] [idealcopy] last nights wonderful listening [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... ["ian jackson" ] [idealcopy] more for my pleasure ["ian jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot ["dan bailey" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:55:27 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] On The Book Front... << paul wrote :- >so what did MES have to say about the beatles then? the introduction to the book deals with the 1960's as the fulcrum of post-war social upheaval and therefore sets the Beatles music within that context. the paragraph leading to Smith's quote is :- '...Pop music too, has played a role in reinforcing the manifest relaxation of goals and standards since the Sixties. Aside from the inescapable fact that this relaxation was to various degrees willed by the majority, pop and it's shatteringly sensationalistic cousins, rock, disco, and 'rave' music have been as much colonised by technology as any other area of modern life. It's once flexible human rhythms replaced by the mass-production regularity of the drum-machine, its structures corporatised by the factory ethic of the sequencer, its vitality digitised to death and buried in multi-layered syntheticism, pop is now little more than a soundtrack for physical jerks.' ///// that argument starts quite well , but i presume he's working around to an argument where modern music is rubbish compared to the wonders of the 60's? i'd quite fancied that book but i'm not so sure now. Interviewed about his reading habits, a leading pop dissident of the Eighties, Mark.E.Smith, castigated the illiterate shallowness of much of his audience : 'Kids' brains nowadays are like sludge. It's the machines. I've seen it change in ten years. They're not thinking or listening anymore. Obsessed with technology. Video games? It's just an elaborate fruit machine.' (Independent, 6th May 1993.) ////that's a relief. i feared there might be a quote along the lines of "the best book i've read all year....buy it!". mind you , they did cover "a day in the life" so maybe MES has a closet liking for the moptops on the sly. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:04:48 -0500 From: "david mack" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: OT TG OMD OMG i recall 'the second annual report' as being the unholy grail at one time at it's reissue on cd i was (quite expectedly) dissappointed not much could have lived up to the build up we gave it in our early 80's little attic subculture any comments on the newly issued 'first annual report'? anyone questioning gen's sincerity needs to look at the booklet that came with the sorride sentimental ptv cd it's not easy being genuinly provocative all your life ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:11:01 -0500 From: "wiremailorder.com" Subject: [idealcopy] RS(v)P Live Two (2) members of this list will be performing live saturday night,... it may not be 80s hip cool brit punk new wave, but it sure ain't prog rock either! Reliable Sound Products at the Nervous Center - Saturday July 14 - 9 PM The Nervous Center is an all-ages juice and coffee venue located at 4612 N. Lincoln Ave. in Chicago's historic Lincoln Square. Hope to see you there charles shop@wiremailorder.com http://www.wiremailorder.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:29:45 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] On The Book Front... >///// that argument starts quite well , but i presume he's working around >to an argument where modern music is rubbish compared to the wonders of the >60's? kind of, i don't think he's saying ALL modern music is rubbish. the paragraph is taken slightly out of context, but the fact that he uses a quote from MES, at the very least says he's aware of the fringes of pop. then again, it depends on how you define pop... if you take the line about 'physical jerks' and think of Geri Halliwells 'wonderful' cover/video of 'It's Raining Men', he's spot on really, isn't he? in the short period since the books revision (1997), i personally think the corporate strangehold on 'pop' music has tightened to such an extent that the entry of The Strokes single into the UK charts must be viewed as a minor miracle (despite the mountains of press that their 'people' have managed to acquire). >////that's a relief. i feared there might be a quote along the lines of >"the best book i've read all year....buy it!". mind you , they did cover "a >day in the life" so maybe MES has a closet liking for the moptops on the >sly. remember this is just the introduction to the book (33 pages), the rest of it details each recording session chronologically, which i'm looking forward to reading. the front and back inside covers are full of 'those' types of quotes from people like Nick Hornby, Charles Shaar Murray, Tony Parsons, Robert Sandall, Adam Sweeting, Stuart Maconie, and as you'd expect Noel Gallagher. the reason why this book has been so venerated as THE Beatles book, is it's no bullshit outlook, he's obviously not afraid to pick fault in the characters or songwriting where he sees it, which is refreshing. as far as Smith's quote goes, i don't think the author would need permission to use it, as long as it's credited. ian.s.j. (off work with a trapped nerve). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:20:49 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] whatever happend to: Just enjoying music?....After contemplating some of the silliness of some of my comments and some of the bickering over the validity of some groups and time periods in music, i realize it is utterly pointless to even debate such matters...We all have opinions (and strong ones at that) and they are all valid...I happen to enjoy jazz (mainly from the 50's/60's), techno (mostly Detroit flavor from mid 80's thru early 90's), house, ambient, industrial, tothic, drum and bass, electronica, krautrock, punk, 70's breeze rock, classic rock, some prog rock, new wave/new romantic etc. etc...but so what?! I realize there are many people who hate some of these genres and like entirely different ones...ones that i may have not even explored yet...and that is the point! Music is an exploration to me...and along the way i find things i love, things i despise, things i can at least respect, things i am indifferent to but the important thing is the discovery and enjoyment and most of all learning..We can all learn about music, genres, bands, individuals, time periods, changes etc. from each other...i have only participated in this exchange of e-mails for a short time and i appreciate each and every one of you...i have already been turned on to several things i didn't even know existed or that i had ignored before...some of you piqued my curiosity.....Thanks for everything, and i hope to continue discovering... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:28:08 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... listening delights for the last few days... MC Hellshit & DJ Carhouse - Live @ Disobey, Manchester (serious shit, thanks Graeme, my ears, my ears...) Arab Strap - The Weekend Never Starts Round Here Dinosaur Jr - Bug The Strokes - Live, London, Feb 01 Prince Far I - Message From The King Half Man Half Biscuit - Editors Recommendation Michael O'Shea - s/t Aphex Twin - Windowlicker ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:35:15 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] last nights wonderful listening last night after playing two soccer matches in a row in my indoor rec league...i was exhausted but could not sleep because of the soreness in my legs..(gettin' old), SO i relaxed with a nice stack of cds....PLEASE share your opinions on any of the following: 1. chrystal belle scrodd - "beastings" 2/3. coil- "musick to play in the dark" 1 & 2 4. autechre - "confield" (for the umpteenth time!) 5. klaus schulze - "picture music" 6. moebius, plank, neumeier - "zero set" 7. waldeck - 'the night garden" 8. plaid - "restproof clockwork" 9. miles davis- "in a silent way" ( i am proud to say that Miles was from right here in saint louis!..uh but then again so is Nelly....and Sheryl Crow....yikes! 10. herbie hancock -"crossings" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:40:01 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... I love the Michael O'Shea cd....it is a joy to the ears...very soothing....What does Arab Strap sound like?...I can only recall a remix they did of a Dot Allison song ( the beautiful chanteuse formerly of the wonderful Weatherall produced band: One Dove!)...more lists please! those of you into "krautrock" please list a top 5 or 10 of your favorite krautrock albums ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:53:57 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... >Robert wrote :- >What does Arab Strap sound like?... actually, on reflection this is a tough one... Serge Gainsbourg (with a very thick Glasgow/Falkirk accent) backed by members of Codeine/Mogwai/early New Order might be close... >more lists please! those of you into >"krautrock" please list a top 5 or 10 of your favorite krautrock albums as i've already admitted on the list i've not heard Neu!(remedied soon) or Cluster... but i'm very keen on Can's 'Ege Bamyasi' and 'Tago Mago', D.A.F.'s 'Der Musslolini' 'Kebab Traume' and a few others, plus all Kraftwerk up to and including Computer World... does Trio's 'DaDaDa' count as Krautrock? ;-) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:59:31 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... ...also Holger Czukay's 'Persian Love' is one of my all time favourite tunes, keen on his lp 'Der Osten Ist Rot' too... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:04:53 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... you simply must listen to/own: Neu 1,2, 75 Cluster-Cluster II, Sowiesoso, Zuckerzeit, Cluster & Eno - s/t, After the Heat, Harmonia (cluster/member of Neu) -Musik von Harmonia , Deluxe, Tracks and Traces (w/Eno) all i can say is that Cluster are one of the great joys that i have ever discovered for myself....it's so simple, yet beautiful....and of course Neu are wonderful...Have you ever checked out any Conrad Schnitzler? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:20:15 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... Robert wrote :- >you simply must listen to/own: >Neu 1,2, 75 >Cluster-Cluster II, Sowiesoso, Zuckerzeit, >Cluster & Eno - s/t, After the Heat, >Harmonia (cluster/member of Neu) -Musik von Harmonia, Deluxe, Tracks and Traces (w/Eno) thanks for the tips, i know there are a few others on the list who are keen on this stuff...i'll definitely be getting copies of the Neu! lp's soon, one way or another... >all i can say is that Cluster are one of the great joys that i have ever >discovered for myself....it's so simple, yet beautiful....and of course Neu >are wonderful...Have you ever checked out any Conrad Schnitzler? no, but i'll try. into Amon Duul? any top tips there? again, only heard the odd track here and there... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:39:20 +0100 From: "Jerry @ Vane Recordings" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... > D.A.F.'s 'Der Musslolini' 'Kebab Traume' and a few others, > plus all Kraftwerk up to and including Computer World... > does Trio's 'DaDaDa' count as Krautrock? ;-) Does Kraftwerk post-"Kraftwerk 2" or D.A.F.'s entire output count as Krautrock, surely that's the question? The fact that they were (mostly) German doesn't automatically place them in the Krautrock bracket... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:03:29 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... yes, i suppose you would be correct about that....i suppose i consider the krautrock era to be from late 60's through 1974 or 75...after that things were pretty screwed up and a brilliant period of abandon and experimentation over....i mean look at the first 4 Tangerine Dream lps as opposed to everything after that (well I still love Phaedra in 1974/75 but i consider that the turning point/transitional lp)....The only thing of any worth (imo) after 75 was a few Klaus Schulze and Cluster related lps.....but Ash Ra Tempel was over and Gottsching was basically solo and wanking....Tangerine Dream were a farce and lapsed into the easy listening new age synthesizer sound....Neu produced 3 wonderous albums and were gone...Kraftwerk had went futuristic robotic new wave (which i loved but it was definately not krautrock or very experimental)... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:22:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Felton Frog-Mon Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure...and beyond! Greetings- I've been kind of inactive on the IC list due to various life traumas, but have been checking in now and again... Listening list for the past couple days: Type O Negative - Bloody Kisses Wire - ABIAC Wire - It's all in the Brochure Ohgr - Welt Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Live Seeds Lords of Acid - Farstucker Garbage - Version 2.0 Prodigy - Fat of the Land Dead Can Dance - Within the Realm of a Dying Sun Radiohead - OK Computer On the Krautrock subject, I used to own an EP/LP by Jah Wobble/Holger Czukay/The Edge (Irish Krautrock?) called "Snake Charmer" and have been unable to find it on CD, has anyone seen it in digital format? Any Faust fans with favorites to recommend? Another LP I have not found since going digital was called "Dream Theory in Malaya" by John Hassel. Has that been released on CD?? Anyone? Anyone?....Bueller???? > German doesn't automatically place them in the > Krautrock bracket... Agreed! I would say it is much more of a music style than a geographic one. Stay Ideal and keep Copying!! RJH ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "May all your ups and downs be between the sheets." - -Tom Waits - ----------------------------------------------------------- Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:23:56 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT TG OMD OMG first annual report is as expected...a crummy recording of early material....i have a cd-r of the Pastimes/Industrial Muzac cassette original released on their Industrial records label and it sounds much the same....I must admit that i am contemplating purchasing Kreeme Horn-In Praise of the Grotesque...it seems to have a better sound quality to it ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:35:47 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... does anybody out there like Chris and Cosey at all?.....I just picked up 'skimble skamble" by chris and cosey "small moon" by chris carter for $3.00 a piece in a bargain bin....YES!!!! i love a bargain especially on good music such as this... opinions??? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:45:53 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure...and beyond! you can purchase Dream Theory in Malaya on cd from Tower Records for $13.99 us dollars....that is a great cd !! and even better is fourth world: possible musics by hassell/eno which is also available for the same price ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:51:22 -0400 From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... >From: "ian jackson" >into Amon Duul? any top tips there? again, only heard the >odd track here and there... > Amon Duul II - Phallus Dei, Yeti, Dance of the Lemmings - essential Krautrock _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:56:22 -0400 From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... Kraftwerk is a little hard to label. I personally would include "Ralf and Florian", and "Autobahn" (surely an epitome of the genre?), and I lean toward "Trans Europe Express" also - if only for the Eno/Bowie/Berlin influence and the (critically neat) crossover of cosmiche/psyche/prog into art/punk/post. DAF? definately not - they are squarely in the punk/postpunk/Rough Trade scene. >From: "Jerry @ Vane Recordings" >Reply-To: "Jerry @ Vane Recordings" >CC: >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:39:20 +0100 > > > D.A.F.'s 'Der Musslolini' 'Kebab Traume' and a few others, > > plus all Kraftwerk up to and including Computer World... > > does Trio's 'DaDaDa' count as Krautrock? ;-) > >Does Kraftwerk post-"Kraftwerk 2" or D.A.F.'s entire output count as >Krautrock, surely that's the question? The fact that they were (mostly) >German doesn't automatically place them in the Krautrock bracket... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:58:54 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... i am still giving Amon Duul a chance....i just don't seem to ike them as much as Ash Ra or my favorites k/cluster...neu..harmonia..kraftwerk.....i like the krautrock stuff that is more electronic....but which amon duul would you reccomend for someone that is just starting to listen to them? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:01:36 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] squarepusher... has anyone heard the new squarepusher cd "go plastic" ???? what is it like? drill and bass? jazzy? both? electronica? acid? .....let me know! is it out in the u.s. yet? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:03:30 -0400 From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... Yeti >From: RLynn9@aol.com >To: sjgraziano@hotmail.com, iansjackson@hotmail.com >CC: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure... >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:58:54 EDT > >i am still giving Amon Duul a chance....i just don't seem to ike them as >much >as Ash Ra or my favorites k/cluster...neu..harmonia..kraftwerk.....i like >the >krautrock stuff that is more electronic....but which amon duul would you >reccomend for someone that is just starting to listen to them? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:42:15 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Three of the Best (Record Shops) ~These records 112 brook drive london se11 4tq tel: +44 (0)207 587 5349 fax: +44 (0)207 582 5278 Free Dome posters can't be sniffed at! A floor covered in CD's, Marclayesque. They stock every available solo Gilbert. Cheap for Mego & Touch & Empreintes Digitales. A deleted Jim O'Rourke 2CD for seven quid because it was the last one. Howard is maybe a little off his trolley? Present & incorrect for Brochure bash & Disobeys. Sun Ra & Evan Parker aplenty but curiously no Gnemesis & Radiodread. ~Pelicanneck http://www.pelicanneck.com Third Floor, Afflecks Palace, Manchester Low Impact for 2 quid new!!!!!!!!!!!! Last week Whore was lurking in the bargain box for a fiver. They stock WMO & Thousand & Swim & Hox. Easy to listen before you buy. Shlom says 'man' too much on the phone to Berlin. Organ Transplants by Stock, Hausen & Walkman spins a lot. Always curious to find out what they're playing. Bigging up so called 'micro house' the last I heard. Their 'Off Peak' nights are often worth an earful. Neighbouring shops aren't too keen on Florian Hecker. ~Vinyl Exchange Everyone in Manchester knows this hive of bargains where unwanted promos rejuvenate. Last week In Esse & Hibernation by Lobe were a bargain @ 3 an 50 yeh! Silo was happily fetching twice that. There is usually at least one Wire CD in 'Experimental' section. Unfortunately you might have to listen to Go West or cheese metal if Ray or Gav aren't in charge, so a walkman is a good precaution. If they're in you might hear Stooges, Can, Yo La Tengo, David Grubbs... I once emptied the shop with an Einheit/Brotzmann CD! To his credit Ray was quite amused, however he hasn't let me near the CD player since. All the above do mail order. His atoms were excited! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:50:41 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] swim cds do any of you know where i can get the best prices on these swim cds: Immersion - Oscillating Immersion - Low Impact 2xcd Lobe - Lobe Lobe - Hibernation Symptoms - Apathy opinions on these cds? thanks for the help, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:05:38 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot I'm just getting around to Monday's Idealcopy-- As I recall, in the late 70s/early 80s using a rhythm box or drum machine was an accepted way for a band to play with their limitations and the mechanical aesthetic. It didn't stop performances from being exciting and innovative. I saw Young Marble Giants open for Cabaret Voltaire in Berkeley in 1990 and a lot of the charm of the performance was the beatbox rhythm accompaniment coming from a little hissing cassette player sitting on a stool at the front of the stage. By the time I saw OMD around '85 they had a drummer . . . . and a bass player and a horn section--but that's another story. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:41:17 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot i have some great memories of a club here in saint louis called 1227....from 1987-1992 it hosted some great electronic nights...i had the pleasure of witnessing live acts such as Severed Heads, Meat Beat Manifesto, Renegade Soundwave, MC 900 foot Jesus, Thrill Kill Kult, Ministry (before they started to suck), Chris and Cosey, Skinny Puppy, A Split Second, Neon Judgement, The Legendary Pink Dots, Manufacture, Boyd Rice, Xymox, and not a drummer in sight...funny...i never noticed or cared...i was too busy having fun...... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:53:44 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot Wasn't Bill Reiflin in Ministry? > ---------- > From: RLynn9@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 2:41 PM > To: Robert.Cambra@harpercollins.com; idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot > > i have some great memories of a club here in saint louis called > 1227....from > 1987-1992 it hosted some great electronic nights...i had the pleasure of > witnessing live acts such as Severed Heads, Meat Beat Manifesto, Renegade > Soundwave, MC 900 foot Jesus, Thrill Kill Kult, Ministry (before they > started > to suck), Chris and Cosey, Skinny Puppy, A Split Second, Neon Judgement, > The > Legendary Pink Dots, Manufacture, Boyd Rice, Xymox, and not a drummer in > sight...funny...i never noticed or cared...i was too busy having fun...... > > Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:11:48 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot &/or the thrill kill kult, i believe. >Wasn't Bill Reiflin in Ministry? > >> ---------- >> From: RLynn9@aol.com >> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 2:41 PM >> To: Robert.Cambra@harpercollins.com; idealcopy@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot >> >> i have some great memories of a club here in saint louis called >> 1227....from >> 1987-1992 it hosted some great electronic nights...i had the pleasure of >> witnessing live acts such as Severed Heads, Meat Beat Manifesto, Renegade >> Soundwave, MC 900 foot Jesus, Thrill Kill Kult, Ministry (before they >> started >> to suck), Chris and Cosey, Skinny Puppy, A Split Second, Neon Judgement, >> The >> Legendary Pink Dots, Manufacture, Boyd Rice, Xymox, and not a drummer in >> sight...funny...i never noticed or cared...i was too busy having fun...... >> >> Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:15:38 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot i'd just about (but not quite, being unemployed at the moment & everything) bet money that the tkk had a drummer when i saw them in memphis in, i believe, the summer of '91 (shortly after sexplosion came out, at any rate ... might've been a year later). maybe earlier incarnations didn't, though. at any rate, one of the most entertaining shows i've ever seen. dan, who's just started reading "profession of violence" & assumes it'll shed some light on renegade soundwave's kray twins (never saw the '90s movie with the spandau ballet guys -- ? -- playing the pair) >i have some great memories of a club here in saint louis called 1227....from >1987-1992 it hosted some great electronic nights...i had the pleasure of >witnessing live acts such as Severed Heads, Meat Beat Manifesto, Renegade >Soundwave, MC 900 foot Jesus, Thrill Kill Kult, Ministry (before they started >to suck), Chris and Cosey, Skinny Puppy, A Split Second, Neon Judgement, The >Legendary Pink Dots, Manufacture, Boyd Rice, Xymox, and not a drummer in >sight...funny...i never noticed or cared...i was too busy having fun...... > >Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:19:45 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for my pleasure...and beyond! unheard of ... a list composed of discs i not only mostly own (except for welt & dead can dance) but have been known to listen to (except for ok computer & fat of the land, which didn't do a whole lot for me). i esp. can't imagine the list includes too many type o fans (world coming down might actually be better than bloody kisses, but either way it's a close call). dan >Listening list for the past couple days: > >Type O Negative - Bloody Kisses >Wire - ABIAC >Wire - It's all in the Brochure >Ohgr - Welt >Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Live Seeds >Lords of Acid - Farstucker >Garbage - Version 2.0 >Prodigy - Fat of the Land >Dead Can Dance - Within the Realm of a Dying Sun >Radiohead - OK Computer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:23:26 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] squarepusher... Robert wrote :- >has anyone heard the new squarepusher cd "go plastic" ???? what is it like? the bits i've heard have been pretty much 'drill & Bass' as you term it. don't know if it's out in the US yet, sorry... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:52:19 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] more for my pleasure more i'd forgotten about... or played since... Robert Pete Williams - Louisiana Blues (now playing) Capn.Beefheart - selected tracks, Owed T'Alex/Her Eyes Are A Blue Million Miles/My Head Is My Only House.../Big Eyed Beans From Venus/Yellow Brick Road/Electricity/Sure Nuff n Yes I Do/ Lightnin' Hopkins - The Very Best Of...(one of several, most likely) Mouse On Mars - Cache Coeur Naif EP The Modern Lovers - Don't Let Our Youth Go To Waste/Walk Down The Street/I Wanna Sleep In Your Arms/Dance With Me/ Iggy & The Stooges - I Gotta Right Guided By Voices - Surgical Focus (demo)/Exit Flagger/Motor Away/My Valuable Hunting Knife/Tractor Rape Chain/Now To War/ Daniel Johnston - Walking The Cow Status Quo - Piledriver (yes, really, now there's honesty...) Nectarine No.9 - South Of An Imaginary Line Eric Bachmann - A Little Bleeding (live) Yo La Tengo - The Lie And How We Told It/Tom Courtaney/ Sebadoh - Flame/Cuban/ Archers Of Loaf - Audiowhore/The Lowest Part Is Free/ Grandaddy - Taster Holger Czukay - Ode To Perfume/Persian Love 7" The Fall - Joker Hysterical Face/Marquis Cha Cha/ enough, enough is enough, as Nick Cave once said...! ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:38:24 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot yeah but i saw them on the tour for the first album....on later tours they did indeed have a drummer and an entire band/entourage..and then of course that led to suckdom.......that first album and the first few singles were great then they just went to crap.......... "everybody thinks i'm high..and i am" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:51:44 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mechano Pop and I wish it were hot true enough ... sex on wheelz is a good one, but for me they peaked with the devil does drugs & esp. a daisy chain 4 satan. shame. dan >yeah but i saw them on the tour for the first album....on later tours they >did indeed have a drummer and an entire band/entourage..and then of course >that led to suckdom.......that first album and the first few singles were >great then they just went to crap.......... > > >"everybody thinks i'm high..and i am" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:24:11 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] last night i mostly listened to... Bill Evans - Waltz For Debby Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages John McLaughlin - Extrapolation ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:34:53 +0200 From: Bart Subject: [idealcopy] CUPOL on eBay there's the Cupol 12" up on eBay, search for RARE WIRE. charles I bought it when it was released... Nice 1... ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #211 *******************************