From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #210 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, July 11 2001 Volume 04 : Number 210 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] My Favourite Shop... [Mark Short ] [idealcopy] last night i mostly listened to.... [kevin eden ] Re: [idealcopy] On The Book Front... [Mark Short ] Re: [idealcopy] On The Book Front... [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] On The Book Front... ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] On The Book Front... ["ian jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] All Crap Music [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] A Serious of Wires [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= ] Re: [idealcopy] Associates ["ian jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] A Serious of Wires [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Meridians 1 (NOT) Vera [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OMD and holidays [BillyD ] [idealcopy] re: The Frivolity Inherent [Michael Flaherty ] [idealcopy] last night i was mostly listening to: [kevin eden Subject: Re: [idealcopy] My Favourite Shop... Tim wrote: > > My all-time favorite record shop is X-Records in Bolton, Lancashire. > > So whats yr favourite shop folks? > I'll nominate Driftin of Cheltenham. It closed about 15 years ago, but had an excellent selection of stuff form the margins of music. Lots of jazz/improv, also a lot of Ralph Records product. And the owner used to give me a discount cos I took weird stuff off his hands. The only place I've seen that compares is Rhythm Records in Camden. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:40:27 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] last night i mostly listened to.... La Dusseldorf - 1st album Guru Guru - UFO Various Artists - Dub to Dub (Errol Brown High Note dub mixes) ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:05:24 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OMD and holidays i mean come now, is it easier to believe in the positive songs (of hope) of say, Midge Ure (see Dear God) OR the songs of someone who is keeping someone's panties in a little bisquit tin? /////now that is a question you don't get asked too often. pretty easy call i'd say , but then this may just be me...... btw , if you havn't read the TG book "wreckers of civilization" then you really should , great read. even though the manics used it in their recent tragic video , don't hold that against it :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:34:55 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] My Favourite Shop... In a message dated 10/07/01 02:19:00 GMT Daylight Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: > It is a provincial, poorly managed treasure trove that has survived the > arrival of HMV, caused the nearby Virgin megastore to 'downsize' and I > love it! > > Wow. Could my home town do with that shop.It sounds the place to lose yourself in. And the staff sound like great entertainment ! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:33:54 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: favourite record shop There used to be a great record shop in crouch end that I used to go to in 88/89, can't remember the name of it, but it was where I purchased Eardrum Buzz, New Order's Technique and more unusual stuff - anyone remember Soul on Ice? Bloke who ran it knew everything, but sadly rebranded the place as a specialist 60s shop and it folded in the early 90s. The only shop I go in now that makes me in any way excited is Rough trade in cov garden, though I've been meaning to get along to These. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:43:18 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] fave record shop must admit i've always liked going to camden ; rock on (RIP) , record and tape exchange , the market , even the pretty dodgy resurrection. my dad used to work at the firm that got bulldozed to make way for tv-am and i did some holiday work there in my teens , coming from a small suburban town i was really blown away with what was available so easily. nowadays i suppose i shop mostly in brum , the best place there is the plastic factory by aston uni. not cheap , but they do have a stack of rare stuff. sadly i have no suggestions for good cheap places , b'ham has never had a place where you can get cheap promo copies of things. but it has plenty of really poor shops with very little of any interest. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:31:56 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: [idealcopy] Wire On Offer If anyone needs extra copies: 267214 WIRE - 154 CD #5.99 274082 WIRE - A BELL IS A CUP CD #6.99 267215 WIRE - CHAIRS MISSING CD #5.99 264203 WIRE - ON RETURNING 77 - 79 CD #6.99 267220 WIRE - ON RETURNING CD #5.99 267213 WIRE - PINK FLAG CD #5.99 274080 WIRE - THE IDEAL COPY CD #6.99 http://www.action-records.co.uk The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:26:26 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OMD and holidays yes, i have a copy of "Wreckers of Civilzation"...It is a fantastic read! Have you read the Cabaret Voltaire book "Art of the Sixth Sense"......or Tape Delay? Tape Delay is great, it covers Einsturzende, Nick Cave, Current 93, New Order/Joy Division, Marc Almond, Lydia Lunch, etc....... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:31:02 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OMD and holidays << yes, i have a copy of "Wreckers of Civilzation"...It is a fantastic read! Have you read the Cabaret Voltaire book "Art of the Sixth Sense"......or Tape Delay? Tape Delay is great, it covers Einsturzende, Nick Cave, Current 93, New Order/Joy Division, Marc Almond, Lydia Lunch, etc....... Robert >> //// never read the cabs book , but i've got tape delay and its really good. these are all by the same publisher as kevin's wire book i think , there was a can one as well if i remember correctly. on the book front , i saw "englands dreaming" has been re-printed in an updated version. best punk rock book ever i reckon. anyone got this new version? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:57:11 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] On The Book Front... paul wrote :- >on the book front , i saw "englands dreaming" has been re-printed in an >updated version. best punk rock book ever i reckon. anyone got this new >version? i read the original a few years ago, not seen the updated version. probably the definitive account of the 'punk' years, but just one person is never going to really nail anything down, whatever the subject. by contrast, i just got hold of the revised hardback of Ian Macdonald's Beatles book, 'Revolution In The Head' and already there's a 1993 Mark.E.Smith quote in the introduction, which bodes well. ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:14:13 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: [idealcopy] On The Book Front... > paul wrote :- > >on the book front , i saw "englands dreaming" has been re-printed in an > >updated version. best punk rock book ever i reckon. anyone got this new > >version? > IIRC the original had only a handful of references to Wire. Has the updated version been amended to reflect Wire's status as "the British VU"? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:21:45 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] On The Book Front... so what did MES have to say about the beatles then? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:33:03 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] On The Book Front... hmmm ... my girlfriend brought me back a paperback copy when she visited britain in march or so, not realizing i'd had the hardcover since it came out. dunno if it's updated or not. dan, wishing someone would attempt a similar book on the u.s. scene. over here, volumes tend to focus on one particular scene (e.g. make the music go bang, california hardcore, please kill me, from the velvets to the voidoids, etc). guess the country's just too damned big. >paul wrote :- >>on the book front , i saw "englands dreaming" has been re-printed in an >>updated version. best punk rock book ever i reckon. anyone got this new >>version? > >i read the original a few years ago, not seen the updated version. probably >the definitive account of the 'punk' years, but just one person is never >going to really nail anything down, whatever the subject. >by contrast, i just got hold of the revised hardback of Ian Macdonald's >Beatles book, 'Revolution In The Head' and already there's a 1993 >Mark.E.Smith quote in the introduction, which bodes well. > >ian.s.j. >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:43:00 +0100 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: My Favourite Shop Tim timrobinson@cwcom.net My Favourite Shop... My all-time favorite record shop is X-Records in Bolton, Lancashire. Hmm. Great record shop. I once spent #250 in a week there, when they had a massive sale a couple of years ago. Picked up "Coatings" for a mere #3. Other bargains included a PIL CD "Holidays in Estonia" for #2, a Roxy Music BBC Transcription in concert disc for #5 and loads of other stuff. Apart from a great stock range, the other great thing about the shop is that they accept other people's record vouchers! A great way to get rid of all those Our Price record tokens that people insist on buying you for Christmas! I once used a load of Index shop and even a Mothercare voucher! rezMole THE MOLES For all things Residential www.theresidents.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:26:58 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] On The Book Front... paul wrote :- >so what did MES have to say about the beatles then? the introduction to the book deals with the 1960's as the fulcrum of post-war social upheaval and therefore sets the Beatles music within that context. the paragraph leading to Smith's quote is :- '...Pop music too, has played a role in reinforcing the manifest relaxation of goals and standards since the Sixties. Aside from the inescapable fact that this relaxation was to various degrees willed by the majority, pop and it's shatteringly sensationalistic cousins, rock, disco, and 'rave' music have been as much colonised by technology as any other area of modern life. It's once flexible human rhythms replaced by the mass-production regularity of the drum-machine, its structures corporatised by the factory ethic of the sequencer, its vitality digitised to death and buried in multi-layered syntheticism, pop is now little more than a soundtrack for physical jerks.' and at the bottom of the page :- Interviewed about his reading habits, a leading pop dissident of the Eighties, Mark.E.Smith, castigated the illiterate shallowness of much of his audience : 'Kids' brains nowadays are like sludge. It's the machines. I've seen it change in ten years. They're not thinking or listening anymore. Obsessed with technology. Video games? It's just an elaborate fruit machine.' (Independent, 6th May 1993.) lots of stuff there that we've discussed quite a bit on the list over the past 6 months or so, don't you think? ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:48:58 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Ultra Orchestral NO WAY!!! ULTRAVOX with Ure (and with Foxx) were and still are great listens!! and OMD were stunning! I must confess to liking The Thin Wall & Astrodyne (sounds like Kraftwerk with a guitar solo on top which may not seem the greatest idea). Also loved Enola Gay & the 2 Joan of Arc singles at the time but OMD albums were choc full of filler to my ears. Agree with Paul R on the 'dated' aspect of these bands. ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:54:14 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] All Crap Music >>most of the music from the 90's and certainly 2000 and 2001 is horrible! So can we assume that you've heard all of it? What did you think of the new Rafael Toral album? Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:07:45 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Associates Does anyone else here like the Associates? I loved Party Fears 2 & Club Country when I were a lad & heard them on TOTP. Checked out Sulk much later and only liked those 2 songs!!! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:13:15 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Funny Midge >>>>I fail to understand how Ultravox, OMD, etc..could be called humourless and pretentious The video to Thin Wall was hilarious with Midge ravished by big whirling fan. His tache was a hoot! McCluskeys dancing about planes was a right howler! I always thought the Thompson Twins were the bees knees when it came to 80s, much more fun than all that pretentious He Said Bell Cup Copy guff. The act of playing an amplified guitar on a stage is in itself pretentious. Would he say yes? Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:33:48 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Associates From: "Graeme Rowland" : > Does anyone else here like the Associates? > I loved Party Fears 2 & Club Country when I were a lad > & heard them on TOTP. Checked out Sulk much later and > only liked those 2 songs!!! Their first album ("The Affectionate Punch") was *quite* good, I thought, and enormously better than the eurodisco stuff they did afterwards. It's like they were two different bands... They had real drums and everything! Btw, does anyone know if that album was ever reissued on CD? I spent a good 2-3 hours a few weeks ago transferring and "restoring" (i.e., de-clicking/EQ'ing) my vinyl copy to CD, thinking it had never been reissued, and recently someone insisted that they'd seen it in a shop somewhere. I suppose I could've easily missed it... John "rhymes with quintessential" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:53:13 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] All Crap Music well....i don't like the new album as much as say; "Wavefield" or "Aeriola Frequency" but it will do......maybe he could do an entire tribute album to My Bloody Valentine one day..or perhaps one to Seefeel would be interesting.... Robert-who-still-thinks-there-is-a-deluge-of-utter-crap-music-out-there-especi ally-the-geeks-with-laptops-churning-out-cheesy-nonsense...... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:05:44 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] A Serious of Wires Tim queried of Wire >>>>Were they really so earnest and serious? I didn't say they were all the time. Sorry but most of 154 is incredibly serious, even if Mr Newman in particular might be dismissive of that aspect. >>>>I don't listen to Hardcore punk (indeed I'm not quite sure what it *is*) but I assume its like Hardcore Porn....ugly, sweaty, noisy and leaves nothing to the imagination. Am I right? No, except for the noisy bit. For the evidence try listening to 'Red Medecine' by Fugazi. >>>>Why would I want to backtrack to Siouxsie or Stiff Little Fingers when I could be listening to the new Squarepusher LP, Daft Punk, Super Furries, Luke Vibert, Autechre and Basement Jaxx? Erm, because 'The Scream' is a great album. SLF I wouldn't bother with today. I think you might like The Slits 'Cut' and 'Boredom' is ESSENTIAL! >>>>All I was saying is I felt Wire took the basic yamma yamma yamma of punk and ran somewhere a lot more interesting with it. As did a fair few other bands. Which is not to say they all sounded like Wire. >>>>I was trying to imagine someone in 77 picking up Pink Flag and hearing Wire show the way to something beyond the thrash. You'd have to imagine indeed - there was no thrash in 77!!! >>>>I wasn't talking about lyrics anyway. The lyrics and the music are both part of the record, obviously. In what away is Gilbert's ultra dense guitar sound Frivolous??? >>>>These weren't your average punks though. What is an average punk? Punk was not about the average. ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:08:27 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] All Crap Music --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > well....i don't like the new album as much as say; > "Wavefield" or "Aeriola > Frequency" but it will do......maybe he could do an > entire tribute album to > My Bloody Valentine one day..or perhaps one to > Seefeel would be > interesting.... > > Robert-who-still-thinks-there-is-a-deluge-of-utter-crap-music-out-there-especi > > ally-the-geeks-with-laptops-churning-out-cheesy-nonsense...... Don't be afraid to name names! Rafael Toral doesn't sound like MBV to me at all. Lock up your hats! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:45:41 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] 80 Sub Pop #9 Just when you thought it was safe to go back to your Depeche Mode singles... it's the one they all ripped off! Kraftwerk - The Model They recorded it in 1978 but it shot up the rock pops ladder to number one number one in 81/82 because all the old idea glam romantics were copping its moves and everyone could tell they just didn't have it down. To celebrate the times catching them up, Kraftwerk had their brains surgically removed and placed in new plastic robotorsos (mit hydraulic hinges). The percussionists bottled out of this shocking radical stunt and retired to nice big castles to write books on pads but Ralf and Florian got around the potential perambulatory limitations by attaching bicycles to the torsos when they needed to move from synth to synth. Their next record took quite a while to make because they kept bumping into things and toppling over. Tom Yorke is now considering having his brain surgically removed and ensconced in an expanded polstyrene box. Klingklang! Klingklang! (I've forgotten me pate) ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:55:16 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Symptoms of "Well, er..." Paul Weller is a cancerous growth on the end of Pete Townsend's big nose. Later on, Eric Clapton suffered a similar affliction. I hope Jaz Coleman will soon score The Jam for symphony orchestra. I'm from a Town Called M... M... M... Monday listening: Symptoms - Apathy http://www.swimhq.com Posset - Infantile Eruption (Newcastle guitar/digital process duo who I saw do an amazing improv set a few weeks back) leepuma@aol.com Symptoms - Apathy (again because it's that good!) elph - 20' to 2000 http//www.brainwashed.com/coil Pendro - The Oxide Heresies (The cheerful ghost of Throbbing Gristle still haunts Manchester's Satanic Mill Redevelopments) http://www.fflintcentral.co.uk Swim Team 1 (half hr of highlights) The Rip Off Artist - Brain Salad Surgery (Californian Atom Heart collaborator who plays FAST) http://www.simplesampling.com Fennesz & Rosy Parlane - Live 3" (inspirational) http://www.synrecords.com Merzbow - Scumtron (remixes from Jim O'Rourke, Panasonic, Autechre, etc) Band of Susans - Blessing & Curse (their debut 12") http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine/PossStenger.htm Killing Joke - Pandemonium (actually this is quite good) http://www.the-last-laugh.com Dial - Distance Runner (but this is better) cede@optonline.net Thinking Fellers Union Local 282 - Bob Dinners & Larry Noodles present Tubby Turdners's Celebrity Avalanche http://www.tful282.com (Residents fans should hear this band) Marc Riley & The Creepers - Four A's from Maida Vale (including Lard's tribute to Weller: "Who loves the queen & who votes tory, come on joker tell us a story, dimwit well, er") Robert Normandeau - Sonars (a work of profound genius) http://www.rephlex.com Then Last Exit - Iron Path tape for a walk to the centre of the city in the night... In Bar Centro Tom Johnson of B-Fab UK did lo-fi Residents style singing The National Museum of Robotics did Mogwai meets Dead C w/melodica Binary Being performed noise pop cardboard cutout puppet theatre w/ cig as smoke machine Banjo Sexy did a Fly Pan Am minus the drums. At gigs end the compilation from the bar upstairs played Outdoor Miner and Bess Keloid & myself performed an impromptu duet quite unlooked for. Also heard Shot By Both Sides there! One too many beers w/Daniel Weaver, Disco Operating System, Bess Keloid & JJ Howard in trad jazz late bar... Went home with 2 Nurse With Wound tapes & a new CD-R by Illuminati http://www.planetsounds.co.uk He lies on his side! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:31:36 +0200 From: "Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] (OT) Meridians 1 (NOT) Vera These are tracks on Meridians 1 k7 Matador - Nowhere, Or Never AC Marias - The Whispered Year Pascal Gabriel - Machu Pichu Touch 33 degr. Oral Tradition Graham Lewis - He said Argh John Fox - The quiet Man 4 Simon F Turner - Wash Current 93 - Salt Touch 33 deg. The Crucible Test Department - Efficiency S/Z - Text Pathfinders - Long Shadows Not I - Diagnosis Ludus - Corpse Candle Here the announcement of an ideal Pink Flag copy evening in Vera, Groningen, Netherlands. Should be there the 8th of august. 5 men are trying to bring back the Pink Flag-emotions. They are playing the complete album on their way. In their 2 weekly magazine is a kind of top 20 with on no 1 The Dirtbombs - Ultraglide in Black. But what interest me is a record called Girls can tell by the Spoon on a label called 12XU. What kind of label is this. Does someone know this company? The band should be American the list says. The circumstances calling me ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:57:07 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Associates Graeme wrote :- >I loved Party Fears 2 & Club Country when I were a lad >& heard them on TOTP. Checked out Sulk much later and >only liked those 2 songs!!! the other one that i liked was 'Tell Me Easter's On Friday' haven't heard it in ages, probably still majestic though... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:52:32 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A Serious of Wires the fact that you put Basement Jaxx or Daft Punk in the same sentence as Autechre or Squarepusher..or even in the same paragraph as Wire sickens me....both groups are pathetic and cheesy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:56:12 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Meridians 1 (NOT) Vera thanks for the clarification! Now, does anybody know where i can get a good copy of Meridians 1? either the real deal or at least a cd-r or good quality cassette recording??? Thanks for the help! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:35:59 -0700 (PDT) From: BillyD Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OMD and holidays It's so hard to tell isn't it? Does it make us all middle aged farts? Cheers, Old Man Dojcak - --- stephen graziano wrote: > I would be willing to bet that you were born between > 1960 and 1966. > > > >From: RLynn9@aol.com > >To: PaulRabjohn@aol.com, andrew@lumbard.co.uk, > idealcopy@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OMD and holidays > >Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 17:38:08 EDT > > > >NO WAY!!! ULTRAVOX with Ure (and with Foxx) were > and still are great > >listens!! and OMD were stunning! especially the > first 3 albums...why is it > >always so fashionable to bash the electronic/new > wave/ new romantic groups > >of > >the 80's? sure some of it was naff BUT most of the > music from the 90's and > >certainly 2000 and 2001 is horrible! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ===== . ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:11:55 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] re: The Frivolity Inherent >>From: Tim >>Subject: RE: [idealcopy] The Frivolity Inherent >> >>So quick to communicate? Were they really so earnest and serious? I hope not. Depends on how serious you think Marcel Duchamps was. This excludes Robert (by his own request) of course. I think Marcel had a sense of humor, but was pretty serious overall. I think that's true of Wire's front-line as well. >>As someone mainly into the musical present (and future) I don't >>listen >>closely to much else from 77-80, apart from maybe Joy Division, early ACR and Metal Box (and they all sound like they were made yesterday). >>Why would I want to backtrack to Siouxsie or Stiff Little Fingers when I >>could be listening to the new Squarepusher LP, Daft Punk, Super Furries, >>Luke Vibert, Autechre and Basement Jaxx? Maybe they're better--and maybe not, I really don't know. But to place a value on something based on time--because it's new OR old, doesn't make much sense to me. I suspect you were a little angry when you wrote this (sounds like it any way), but consider: by this logic a jazz person wouldn't "backtrack" to Coltrane. Do you listen to old Wire? What's the cut off year? '85? '98? >All I was saying is I felt Wire took the basic yamma yamma yamma of punk >>and ran somewhere >>a lot more interesting with it. Couldn't agree more. So did PIL, in a way. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:32:16 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: [idealcopy] Dating in the 21st C. Graeme wrote: Agree with Paul R on the 'dated' aspect of these bands. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ I would like to know when (the 60s maybe) the concept of something being, sounding, looking, feeling, tasting dated came along. Lots of stuff to me sounds dated (Bartok for example) but it was produced in a context that I understand and appreciate and the music loses none of its meaning or significance. Eric PS I just did a spell check and for your name Graeme, the top of the list is "grime" (followed by "grease") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:47:25 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] last night i was mostly listening to: VArious Artists - Dub over Dub (disc 2) Symptoms - Apathy (new release from those nice people at Swim, due September the press release says. First impressions: languid, minimal, lush, spacey, controlled, but then I was reading Miles Beyond by Paul Tingen at the time. Another listen beckons) Miles Davis - Panthalassa (brilliant remix / deconstruction project from Bill Laswell am anticipating the Carlos Santana one due in June) over and out ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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