From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #207 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, July 8 2001 Volume 04 : Number 207 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Its hot! And I'm listening to POP! [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Its hot! And I'm listening to POP! ["Jan J Noorda" ] [idealcopy] Sequenced Bands [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Flaming Lips Zaireeka [HeySean@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: Sequenced Bands [HeySean@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] OT: Flaming Lips Zaireeka ["M Dames" ] RE: [idealcopy] OT: Flaming Lips Zaireeka ["Andrew Lumbard" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Its hot! And I'm listening to POP! > hello, i have a question for everyone: Is there actually an AC Marias track > on the Meridians 2 compilation cassette from Touch Records?? I have seen > mention of > a track by her called The Whispered Year...is this true or is it just a case > of her whispering the year the cassette came out? A friend of mine claims the > latter....ANY help would be greatly appreciated: > These are tracks on the Meridians 2 k7 Wendy Chambers - Star Spangled Banner 400 Blows - 399 to Go A Certain Ratio - Si-Femir-Ogrido Deux Filles- Airium Nocturnal Emissions - Body Count Jean Tinguely - Meta -Harmoni II Derek Jarman - Archeology of Sound Matador - Mother Earth Film Music John Foxx - The quiet Man 3 Buce Gilbert - Children Virginia Astley - When The Fields were on Fire Gorp - Give Me the Moonlight Pure - Disconnect Touch 33 degr. - ai Mulligan & N. Smith - Walk on By The album closes with a long track based on the rhythms of various digital watch/clock alarms. I have one other CDEP by Circle X - an earlier one reissued on Dexter's Cigar, not quite as accomplished as this one. I'd say that if you like Neuabauten, Virgin Prunes, PiL, Killing Joke, no wave & Wire then Circle X is a must hear. Does anyone know if they made any other records? I do have a record on a french label called l'Ivitation au Suicide called Prehistory I always compare them with a band called Savage Republic. Probably because they brought out an album on a label with the same intentions called Sordide Sentimental and they were sounding in the same direction. I feel load, I feel dark, I am mesmerised, like a heartbeat ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 02:03:01 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Its hot! And I'm listening to POP! At 17:13 07/07/01 -0400, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: >enjoyable listening today while cleaning the house: > >2) OMD - "Navigation" (b-sides compilation) Channel 4 did a Top 10 80s Electro Pop a a few months ago and there was a great clip of OMD confusing the hell out of their fans on The Tube playing a track with lyrics in Semaphore. Was it not because of OMD that the music press invented the term 'Difficult Third LP'? >6) Autechre "Confield" YEAH! Mark my words Wirefolk, Autechre are a classic British band in the making. If MOJO is still going in 2020 they will be running a front-cover retrospective on them. I've a reputation on this list for talking about Autechre too much so I won't say any more, other than that they are the most important electronic band since New Order. OK? >10) Cocteau Twins "Blue Bell Knoll" Oooh I bloody love the Cocteau Twins. We recently recorded a Robin Guthrie inspired thing entitled Electronic Chocolate with lots of chorus pedal/reverb guitar on it over a heavy dub. Dead pleased with it so we sent it to Bella Union! _________________________ The Kids Are Dilly Dilly Fliffy Fluffcups http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 01:36:49 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] I'm Six!! And I'm listening to POP! At 23:43 06/07/01 -0400, HeySean@aol.com wrote: >OMG! Six?? (I was 19 when I was began listening to Wire - I don't mind >saying I think it was the perfect age to begin listening to Wire) Ahem, actually I was saying I was 6 when Pink Flag came out. Actually I was wrong, someone said it was 1977?! I was 4 then. I didn't hear any Wire until I saw Eardrum Buzz on The Chart Show (Channel 4) in 1989?(i''m guessing pedants!) Didn't actually get round till buying any of their records till 94 when I bought 154. And I didn't go beyond the EMI stuff until I saw them at the RFH last year, following which I decided they were the best band in the cosmos and I had to have everything they ever did! >Well just >for the sake of the predictable argument...what was happening for the rest of >you surly lot when you were six? We were living in Lincoln living a very modest lifestyle (not that I knew or cared being 6!) while dad was at the Theological College there. We couldn't really afford records but we had Top Of the Pops and listened to Ed Stewarts 'Junior Choice' on Radio 1...woof woof!...and the mighty Dave Lee Travis. My folks had a collection of fairly light classics and weird folky Christian things like The Fisherfolk. (Dont worry this *was* the 70s!, my Dad re-discovered his long lost love of Hendrix, The Who, Kinks, Stones etc in the 80s ) Vividly remember 'Brick in the Wall' with dancing hammers on TOTP, and of course 'I Don't Like Mondays', and 'Video Killed the Radio Star' And we holidayed in Filey that year, and Cars by Gary Numan was everywhere. There were some pretty good tunes around Actually I was probably more interested in the roar of huge white Vulcan bombers taking off from the airfield across the common from the back of our house. They had massive wide wingspans like big paper darts and they made a fantastic noise. >Tonight's Listening Pleasures >Style Council: Our Favorite Shop Had many an argument with Weller Fans that 'Long Hot Summer' craps on anything else Weller has done in the last 20 years! >Incantation: Incantation Surely not those buggers with the panpipes? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 21:41:36 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I'm Six!! And I'm listening to POP! LOL yes the buggers with the panpipes I bought a 12" at the very self same earlier described Capitol Records swapmeet back in the early 80's and I loved it and I still love it....it's all ethereal amd mystic and shit and so I got some of their cd's as well...it's like Dome only s-l-o-w-e-r Yes I suppose some people would like nothing more than to keep hammering Paul Weller, like Joe Jackson he continues to make HIS music despite the enormous cost in terms of popularity, accessibility, recording company support, etc. Paul's Shadow of the Sun on the Live Wood album is truly a cracking good tune... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 21:45:11 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Its hot! And I'm listening to POP! regarding OMD: I think I may have mentioned here before about seeing them in Hollywood in '81. Great dancers and tunes and all that....BUT: they were locked into the drum machine and so had ZERO ability to expand upon or improvise any of their music. They might as well of just brought out their albums and played them on the house system and listened to them with the rest of us. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 02:43:19 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Flaming Lips Zaireeka Just listening to the Flaming Lips Four-CDs at once Zaireeka at the moment. One CD is playing through the PC, the other through walkman & speakers, the other on the strereo and 4th is on the Playstation through the TV and making patterns on screen. It sounds great! Good to have all my equipment joining forces to play one Album. Anyone else enjoyed this one? _________________________ The Kids Are Alright http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 03:21:10 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Sequenced Bands At 21:45 07/07/01 -0400, you wrote: >regarding OMD: I think I may have mentioned here before about seeing them in >Hollywood in '81. Great dancers and tunes and all that Andy McCluskey was not a great dancer! Someone in Smash Hits (possibly Neil Tenant subsequently of the Pet Shop Boys) rightly pointed out that he danced like a Geography Teacher on Acid! >....BUT: they were >locked into the drum machine and so had ZERO ability to expand upon or >improvise any of their music. They might as well of just brought out their >albums and played them on the house system and listened to them with the rest >of us. New Order had the same problem, except when the machines broke down (which in my experience they frequently did!) I assume if anyone saw Wire live during the mid 80s or certainly Wir, a lot of the show would have been pretty much pre-programmed on a lot of tracks. Even so, I would imagine that a lot of purist 'live' guitar bands like Stereophonics or Travis improvise less than Wire or New Order may have done little despite the lack of sequencers. You *can* improvise with machines as the likes of Autechre prove. My own band uses software/samplers but we still manage to make lots of random mistakes during a gig that make each one uniquely shambolic! _________________________ The Kids Are Alright http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:14:08 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Flaming Lips Zaireeka hmmmm 4 of the SAME cd's at once?? seems a bit pedestrian...seems to me the aural experience would be greater enhanced by playing four DIFFERENT cd's at once. Lacking the necessary all I could muster was Eno's Music For Airports, Beck's Mutations, and PIL's first album. Well as you can imagine it sounded like shit...did I mention I was all out of whisky?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:19:41 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Sequenced Bands well I was fortunate enough to have experienced Frippertronics (oh shut yer cakehole!) in concert so I am aware of situations where the canned music enhances the live music experience. Also Wire at the Variety Arts Center in the late 80's was a purist experience (Robert drummed his ass off) but as far as a dancing geography teacher on acid...well now that would have been worth the price of admission! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:35:22 -0500 From: "M Dames" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Flaming Lips Zaireeka It's four different CDs that make up the same album and are meant to be played simultaneously! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of HeySean@aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 11:14 PM To: timrobinson@cwcom.net; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Flaming Lips Zaireeka hmmmm 4 of the SAME cd's at once?? seems a bit pedestrian...seems to me the aural experience would be greater enhanced by playing four DIFFERENT cd's at once. Lacking the necessary all I could muster was Eno's Music For Airports, Beck's Mutations, and PIL's first album. Well as you can imagine it sounded like shit...did I mention I was all out of whisky?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:39:44 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Flaming Lips Zaireeka hmmm and does this cost the same as one cd??? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 08:53:34 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: [idealcopy] The weather has changed...but I'm still listening to On a 4 disc shuffle play at the moment I am listening to lp5 - Autechre Music has the right to children - Boards of Canada Kid A & Amnesiac - Radiohead Difficult to tell when they shuffle sometimes! In the car Electr-o-pura Yo La Tengo The Strokes -'all recorded works' Siamese Dream - Smashing Pumpkins Madonna - ....And they will tell (etc etc) Latest Q magazine compilation (can't get enough Feeder's Buck Rodgers, also has ELO - Don't let me down) AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 08:58:18 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] I'm Six!! And I'm listening to POP! >> Actually I was probably more interested in the roar of huge white Vulcan >> bombers taking off from the airfield across the common from the >> back of our >> house. They had massive wide wingspans like big paper darts and >> they made a >> fantastic noise. Aah, Waddington. For me it was the Lightnings at Binbrook. AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:14:02 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: [idealcopy] OMD and holidays HeySean wrote: >> regarding OMD: I think I may have mentioned here before about >> seeing them in >> Hollywood in '81. Great dancers and tunes and all that....BUT: >> they were >> locked into the drum machine and so had ZERO ability to expand upon or >> improvise any of their music. They might as well of just >> brought out their >> albums and played them on the house system and listened to them >> with the rest >> of us. Couldn't agree more. We saw them whilst on holiday in Toronto in '84. A Brit night! In reverse order Nik Kershaw/OMD/Paul Young and top of the bill Power Station without Bobby Palmer. Lead vocals were done by the guy from Animotion. Remember, one hit wonders with Obsession. Anyway, we enjoyed Omd so much that we had to make that trip to de Montfort Hall on the next Uk tour. Do you know, if they toured now I might even take my daughter. Speaking of holidays, we are going to the States for the first time - Williamsburg. Do any of our well-travelled copyists know which record shops I should be hunting out in the Norfolk/Virginia Beach area? I see that Marilyn Manson & Slipknot are playing in Norfolk on seperate nights whilst we are out there! Which set of fans should I keep my children away from the most? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:20:46 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Flaming Lips Zaireeka >> hmmmm 4 of the SAME cd's at once?? seems a bit >> pedestrian...seems to me >> the aural experience would be greater enhanced by playing four DIFFERENT >> cd's >> at once. Lacking the necessary all I could muster was Eno's Music For >> Airports, Beck's Mutations, and PIL's first album. Well as you >> can imagine >> it sounded like shit...did I mention I was all out of whisky?? Afraid the closest I could get was last night with Wimbledon on one telly, Tour de France on another and cricket on the radio. A day for the heroic Brits, what with the lions in the morning. AndyL ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #207 *******************************