From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #205 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, July 6 2001 Volume 04 : Number 205 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] more ebay silliness ["giluz" ] RE: [idealcopy] more ebay silliness [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] vert ["Vandenberghe, Patrick" ] [idealcopy] Re:Bay (OT) ["david mack" ] Re: [idealcopy] bye-bay ["Vandenberghe, Patrick" ] Re: [idealcopy] more ebay silliness [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] more ebay silliness ["dan bailey" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] more ebay silliness Didn't anyone say a while ago that there are some digital distortions on the Chairs Missing CD? Does that distortion appear on all versions or just on the '94 releases? giluz > EMI's cds from 1994 were the result of a remastering project with the > band's consent ; the ones before that (eg enigma) weren't ? Mind you, > this is for Europe ; dunno about USA. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 01:55:48 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] more ebay silliness >Didn't anyone say a while ago that there are some >digital distortions on the Chairs Missing CD? Does >that distortion appear on all versions or just >on the '94 releases? That was me, I think. (^_^) I heard it on the remaster, but not on my original Enigma US edition. I don't have the original UK edition, so I'm not sure what that sounds like. Here's the post I made back on March 5, 2000: > Well, they are indeed a new remaster - nice and punchy > sounding. Unfortunately, also a little distorted. Check out > "Being Sucked In Again" on Chairs Missing - at about 1:26 > into the song. That's the sound of digital overload. (You > might need to play it fairly loud to hear it against the track > - as if that's a problem (^_^)) I compared it against my > older edition which was recorded at a lower signal level > (as verified on my DAT deck via digital connection) - no > digital breakup. I'll have to listen to the rest of them > (again - not much of a problem, really (^_^)) to see if > I notice it on any other tracks. Unfortunately, I haven't really had the chance to listen to the other CDs to see if I can hear it somewhere else. It's still on my "list of things to eventually do". (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 11:09:51 +0200 From: "Vandenberghe, Patrick" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] vert more info on vert (links to vert, to the sonig label and review of latest cd) on http://www.dma.be/p/ultra/uzine/0108.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 06:14:14 -0500 From: "david mack" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: ot vert i rather liked the kologne konzert (jarrett reconstructed onsite) in general i am tiring of the click/cut/pop like all things, too much is not good next thing you know there will be a flurry of 'empty' device players from soCal and Bristol time for the next little thing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 06:21:46 -0500 From: "david mack" Subject: [idealcopy] Re:Bay (OT) ah the winds of change actually, i dont miss the caked grime on my fingers and although the depersonalization of the internet age is problematic, do you really miss the personal interaction with record-store clerks? (tongue firmly in cheek) the skillset has changed - but the principles apply - the gems are miss-filed i found a previously unknown to me 'dip in the pool' 3" single from some guy in vancouver, bc (lawd knows how it got there , perhaps in a small paper boat) all in all - i personally *like* the idea of access to information, cds, gear, etc the cost is that with greater access, the market principle kicks in facilitating price discovery generally great for the seller, and more costly for the buyer > Aside: oi think e-bay's deezgustin! It takes away all what was pretty > about record collecting ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:39:29 +0200 From: "Vandenberghe, Patrick" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] bye-bay No, but I loved finding things cheaply, paying 2 euro for them instead of 20. Finding funk collectibles in thrift stores, or getting hold of that hard-to-find single via a friend, and then finding something for him, exchanging things or knowing "now that hi's got it, I don't really need to go looking for it anymore myself". Etc etc. I can follow your observations on the market principle, matter-of-factly, but I regret (not resent) all that. To me, E-bay represents anonymous greed, not aural excitement. But it's a great song indeed, Burdon's "Wind of change". As is his "Good times"... david mack schreef: > ah the winds of change > > > > Aside: oi think e-bay's deezgustin! It takes away all what was pretty > > about record collecting ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 06:41:38 -0500 From: "wiremailorder.com" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more ebay silliness >Aside: oi think e-bay's deezgustin! It takes away all what was pretty >about record collecting. I don't possibly think that a less true statement could be made! eBay brings collecting into the 21st Century with the only internet technology that lives up to the hype - online auctions. (fwiw the second is online payments). I continually find GEMS on eBay and pay far less that I'd ever pay for in record stores. Granted, it does highlight in screaming RED and GREEN how one mans junk is anothers treasure, and even more so how ridiculous collecting probably is. Long live eBay! charles shop@wiremailorder.com http://www.wiremailorder.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 15:55:27 +0200 From: "Vandenberghe, Patrick" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] buy-bay Well, I agree with all those points, especially the thing about internet technology & worldwide auctioneering - that IS indeed great. And you're also right, Charles, when you're comparing e-Bay to expensive shops. It's just that I don't like it as a way of procuring. I guess I was talking about collecting "the spending way" versus collecting "the finding way", i.e. coming across things and discovering them, versus being sucked into a system that makes prices double. Sometimes collecting does indeed feel ridiculous when you feel like you're filling gaps, living in function of a lack instead of living in function of a joy. But hey, I'm not gonna sound like a pathetic conservative any further here ! "wiremailorder.com" schreef: > >Aside: oi think e-bay's deezgustin! It takes away all what was pretty > >about record collecting. > > I don't possibly think that a less true statement could be made! eBay brings > collecting into the 21st Century with the only internet technology that > lives up to the hype - online auctions. (fwiw the second is online > payments). I continually find GEMS on eBay and pay far less that I'd ever > pay for in record stores. Granted, it does highlight in screaming RED and > GREEN how one mans junk is anothers treasure, and even more so how > ridiculous collecting probably is. > > Long live eBay! > > charles > shop@wiremailorder.com > http://www.wiremailorder.com - -- Patrick Vandenberghe, adjunct van de informatieambtenaar Vlaamse overheid : ministerie van de Vlaamse Gemeenschap Boudewijnlaan 30 (kamer 6c61) B-1000 Brussel (Belgik) t : +322/02 553 56 24 = doorkiesnummer 0800 30201 [of int +322 553 50 70] = Vlaamse Infolijn (`lle vragen) f : +322/02 553 56 37 e : patrick.vandenberghe@coo.vlaanderen.be infolijn@vlaanderen.be i : http://www.vlaanderen.be/infolijn/ http://www.flanders.be/public/authority/contact_us/index.asp ... . . . . . . . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:24:39 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more ebay silliness Out here in LA we used to (late 70's, early 80's) go to the record swap meet that was held on the first Saturday night of the month in the parking lot of Capitol Records in Hollywood. It was an incredible event. You could walk around drinking your beer or whisky, looking through thousands upon thousands of albums, singles, posters, and whatnot. The crowd alone would have been worth the price of admission - if admission had been charged. Out and out Hollywood freaks, hookers, punks, blues junkies, rock and roll types famous, infamous, and nameless and faceless. It was the one part of Hollywood the cops just plain ignored. You could get stoned, buy fantastic bootlegs (yeah the guy over there with the 10" spiked hair flogging those old Sinatra records out of the back of that decrepit station wagon; well the boots are in the back of each box), and expose yourself to an incredibly diverse array of music. Yeah, people were starting to use the new boomboxes that were becoming popular, but most of those who were playing music for your listening pleasure were doing so with a turntable they'd wired up to the cigarette lighter in the car. Getting out of a concert and heading over to Capitol Records at 1 in the morning was like going to some bizarre after hours party. Yes, I can find cool things on ebay. But the environment is as sterile and as clinical as being in an accountant's office going over tax sheltered annuities. I say no no no no no no Mr Suit! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 17:46:17 +0200 From: "Vandenberghe, Patrick" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] mmmmm boot sales... (doe! bay) hey sean thanks for sharing the memory (10" spiked hair and all) : truly wonderful !! oooh suits you, sir !! if only e-bay'd be more like the fast show... HeySean@aol.com schreef: > the record swap meet on the first Saturday night of the month in the parking > lot of > Capitol Records in Hollywood > > Yes, I can find cool things on ebay. But the environment is as sterile and > as clinical as being in an accountant's office going over tax sheltered > annuities. I say no no no no no no Mr Suit! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:01:57 -0700 (PDT) From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more ebay silliness <> Some of us live in small towns and don't have access to many record stores. Record collecting was kind of tough before eBay. I'm glad to have places like eBay, whether it's pretty or not. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:26:27 -0700 (PDT) From: M Dames Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more ebay silliness W000! A record collector's wet dream come true! Makes me sorry that I'm not going to a local record swap on this coming sunday. Wouldn't be anything like this anyway. The cops do make a good scene when they get involved in busting the guys with the copies of movies on VHS that are still at the theaters... - --- HeySean@aol.com wrote: > Out here in LA we used to (late 70's, early 80's) go > to the record swap meet > that was held on the first Saturday night of the > month in the parking lot of > Capitol Records in Hollywood. It was an incredible > event. You could walk > around drinking your beer or whisky, looking through > thousands upon thousands > of albums, singles, posters, and whatnot. The crowd > alone would have been > worth the price of admission - if admission had been > charged. Out and out > Hollywood freaks, hookers, punks, blues junkies, > rock and roll types famous, > infamous, and nameless and faceless. It was the one > part of Hollywood the > cops just plain ignored. You could get stoned, buy > fantastic bootlegs (yeah > the guy over there with the 10" spiked hair flogging > those old Sinatra > records out of the back of that decrepit station > wagon; well the boots are in > the back of each box), and expose yourself to an > incredibly diverse array of > music. Yeah, people were starting to use the new > boomboxes that were > becoming popular, but most of those who were playing > music for your listening > pleasure were doing so with a turntable they'd wired > up to the cigarette > lighter in the car. Getting out of a concert and > heading over to Capitol > Records at 1 in the morning was like going to some > bizarre after hours party. > > > Yes, I can find cool things on ebay. But the > environment is as sterile and > as clinical as being in an accountant's office going > over tax sheltered > annuities. I say no no no no no no Mr Suit! Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:31:16 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more ebay silliness In a message dated 05/07/01 16:36:14 GMT Daylight Time, HeySean@aol.com writes: > Getting out of a concert and heading over to Capitol > Records at 1 in the morning was like going to some bizarre after hours > party. > > > Yes, I can find cool things on ebay. But the environment is as sterile and > as clinical as being in an accountant's office going over tax sheltered > annuities. I say no no no no no no Mr Suit! > > > > 25 years ago that did not happen where I live. 25 years later it still doesn't. E-bay has it's faults.And there are many.Especially the "Mightier than thou" attitude it takes.It's also bad at taking any criticism of it's empire. Oh & by the way,I liked it's old format.So the UK version automatically adopts the new US version without consultation.Yeah that's democratic - my arse ! But on the whole I'd wished I'd thought of it. I'd of made a few quid methinks. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:36:34 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more ebay silliness ><about record collecting.>> > >Some of us live in small towns and don't have access to many record >stores. Record collecting was kind of tough before eBay. I'm glad to >have places like eBay, whether it's pretty or not. true enough, but i'm glad eBay wasn't around when i was filling in most (knock wood) of the gaps in my collection ... buying the stuff kept me broke enough as it was. & even today i'm far more likely to procure, say, the buzzards' jellied eels to record deals (ok ... bad example ... but it was only $1 or so) at a local shop. then again, will i complain about being able to hit the net & find, say, acr's all night party 7" or joolz' denise 12" or a spizz 7" subsequent to spizzhistory for the equivalent of $3 or so? i will not. dan ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #205 *******************************