From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #202 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, July 3 2001 Volume 04 : Number 202 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: circle x & Bailter Space ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] AW: [idealcopy] Prefab Sprout newie [Woerner Frank ] Re: [idealcopy] OT PiL / Residents ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT PiL / Residents [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] The Entire History of Punk ["ray\)\(o\)\(mac" ] Re: [idealcopy] wire customized transport device [Nik ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #199 [MarkBursa@aol.com] [none] ["Cambra, Robert" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: circle x & Bailter Space [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] AW: [idealcopy] Prefab Sprout newie [Woerner Frank Subject: [idealcopy] Re: circle x & Bailter Space >Paul CD was listening to this album and I'd add that >if you ever had the slightest liking of Neubauten them >check this out. Paul who? What CD? Syarzhuk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 09:49:51 EDT From: MrSodium@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Work for it - on returning (to topic) sort of Subject: [idealcopy] Prefab Sprout newie Has anyone heard the new Prefab Sprout? I'm a bit reluctant to part with hard cash for it unheard, as "Andromeda Heights" was a bit limp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:09:28 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] Prefab Sprout newie >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Mark Short [mailto:mshort@lucent.com] >Gesendet: Montag, 2. Juli 2001 16:00 >An: idealcopy@smoe.org >Betreff: [idealcopy] Prefab Sprout newie > > >Has anyone heard the new Prefab Sprout? I'm a bit reluctant to >part with hard >cash for it unheard, as "Andromeda Heights" was a bit limp. I don't know of a new one ... Do you have an url or info about it? BTW, "AH" wasn't limp ... ;-)) FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:54:08 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - playthings... > This was on thursday... > Talking Heads' Psycho Killer while standing in line in Burger King in Ely. > Qu'est que ce ? > Chris We had Nick and Kylie's 'Where the Wild Roses Grow' in a central Leeds supermarket a few weeks back. A few years ago I was in at King's Cross in London (a horrible seedy place at the best of times) in a branch of Wimpy, and they were playing some Belgian New Beat type thing with some extremely sexually explicit lyrics. I reckon Red Tent 1 would be a cracker for a funeral Ian B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:11:35 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT PiL / Residents All this recent talk of Metal Box since I mentioned that I rated it after hating the first album made me check out the PiL section in 'a well known record chain store'. There is a round metal case with 'Metal Box' written on the barcode sticker. At the risk of appearing stupid is this the reissue of (just) Metal Box or is it the box set which Graeme (and others) have described as a missed opportunity? The Cowboy Song - for me just another PiL waste of time which wouldn't have been out of place on the first album. Paul W - no words to say on the Residents RFH show? Ian B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 11:37:15 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT PiL / Residents There is a round metal case with 'Metal Box' written on the barcode sticker. At the risk of appearing stupid is this the reissue of (just) Metal Box or is it the box set which Graeme (and others) have described as a missed opportunity? ////// what you saw is the MB re-issue. the box-set is 4 cd's in a dark grey double width cd box inside a transparent plastic slip-case. not really a missed opportunity ; it contains most of the pil material (and almost all the early stuff) so its as good or bad as you think pil were. no "commercial zone" tracks , but that was hardly likely. the first 2 discs are superb , the 3rd ok and i bet the last one gathers dust in most peoples houses (the words "mark goodier session" tend not to set the pulse racing.....) i must go find my live tape of the first pil gig in paris where they do problems and belsen ; now they should have been on a perfect box set. but no live tracks at all on the pil one , sadly. p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:36:54 -0500 From: "ray\)\(o\)\(mac" Subject: [idealcopy] The Entire History of Punk From the EAR/Rational new releases mailout Various Artists - Entire History of Punk 20CD [696802:m] $64.00 he also has Nakamura, Toshimaru - No-Input Mixing Board [ABS02:f] A Bruit Se $14.00 :) blatant plug: humour aside, dave is a very nice guy to do mailorder business with if your tastes coincide with his catalog, he is the best http://www.ear-rational.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:10:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] OT: reviews and gumpf Ian wrote: [Shrek] > judging by the reviews in the U.K., maybe you > should have gone to see Shrek instead. Went with a bunch of mates; we are all in our mid-late 20s. One of the best films we'd all seen in ages, although I doubt young children will get (m)any of the jokes... >>How come noone ever mentioned Orb's 'Cydonia'? >maybe because hardly anyone's heard it??;-) It's a good album, if a bit more 'pop' oriented than their previous work. 'Ghost Dancing' is gorgeous. Er... Wire :) C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:26:46 +0100 From: Nik Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire customized transport device In message , Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes >In a message dated 6/28/01 5:53:00 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: >>Now what would a Wire-customised personal transport device look like? Like every quality management team's nightmare ;) Buy one and forget all about consumer driven 6-Sigma. First, the thang takes ages to assembly. And just when you the customer are really enjoying it, all the main components stop interacting and engage in solo projects. Then, the engineers take ages to come up with and refine improvement criteria, and although they do occasionally change the process variables, they then take the new product straight to market - never mind proper design of experiments. And forget all about customer CTQs and a project charter... The weird thing: despite all these shortcomings, most customers express a high degree of satisfaction with the product, and a considerable number of return customers swear by it. >Perhaps >a large flying machine, previously used to carry passengers.... How about a Silver Machine for Colin, a Nimbus Two Thousand for Graham, a Lada for Bruce (he'll never know which version it's going to be) and a Combine Harvester (brand new, of course) for Robert? > >my friend has a volvo with IBTABA for a license plate :o) My Russian lady-friend Liena keeps referring to hers as 'my vulva'. The think tank branch of this office came up with 'Fobia' for a car manufacturer's name. Ooh, the possibilities: from the compact 'Claustro' to the spacious 'Agora'. Almost beats the Dyslexus or the immortal No Va... Nik ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 22:12:59 +0100 From: "Stephen JC Sheen" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Prefab Sprout newie New LP appeared with very little warning on Liberty EMI and is the Prefab Sprout cowboy concept album. Every now and then there are duelling banjos and slide guitars, but neither the Magnificent Seven nor Frankie Laine - mostly just PS songs whose words happen to be about cowboys (except for last track hoedown eulogy to the farmyard cat). Produced by Tony Visconti, guitar by Carlos Alomar, etc. Quite a few slowies. Will seem dangerously saccharine to Radiohead fans. Sounds fine to me but may trouble Jimmy Nail fans who regard his version of "Cowboy Dreams" as definitive. Booklet photographs suggest that LP might be a present from EMI to Paddy McAloon on the occasion of his 60th birthday. From: "Mark Short" > Has anyone heard the new Prefab Sprout? I'm a bit reluctant to part with hard > cash for it unheard, as "Andromeda Heights" was a bit limp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:59:55 -0500 From: "wiremailorder.com" Subject: [idealcopy] Another Passing.... "Years from now, after I'm gone someone will listen to what I've done and know I was here. They may not know or care who I was, but they'll hear my guitars speaking for me." - - Chet Atkins - www.misterguitar.com charles shop@wiremailorder.com http://www.wiremailorder.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 20:00:13 -0400 From: "stephen graziano" Subject: [idealcopy] Desmond Simmons I am selling my (very slightly) used copy of Desmond Simmons "Alone on Penguin Island" at Amazon.com. It is $9.99 including postage. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:38:49 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #199 Michael, << must be because Radiohead were on the > cover of the Wire... Yeah, but it was for a bad review of their new album. Not that I care, just an observation. >> I guess you're a month behind us here.... there's a major feature on the 'head in the latest Wire, which is a lot more interesting than the views of Mr Penman last month, which didn't do much to dispel the view that some of the magazine's writers are musical snobs of the worst kind... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:45:54 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [none] HeySean@aol.com wrote a couple weeks ago: ". . . . I have, on a compilation tape that is over 20 years of old age, a recording of a band, lead singer female, that I think is called Vermillion. I think the title of the song is "I Can't Stop Fucking Around" , at least that is what is sung as the chorus and it ends with the rejoinder "eat me" . She sings " a scarlet woman has got no soul, she loves her man until she's got a hole, when everything starts looking good, that's when she falls for no good". Another song features a male voice singing "You're so hideous, you're not one of us. Let me make it clear to you, I don't want you.'" The answer to the first one is, I think, Vermilion's 7" "Angry Young Women" with "Nymphomania" b/w "Wild Boys Ride Their Bikes)." Illegal Records, London, 1978. The second is definitely The Dickies from Los Angeles, "Hideous," from a white vinyl 10" (and probably on the album, too), 1978--all the lyrics are on the back cover. The other two songs on the big 10" single are a cover of Black Sabbath's "Paranoid" and "You Drive Me Ape (You Big Gorilla)." In LA, it seems, punk was a silly thing mostly. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:46:47 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: circle x & Bailter Space In a message dated 7/2/01 8:28:24 AM, bamboo7431@hotmail.com writes: >>Paul CD was listening to this album and I'd add that >>if you ever had the slightest liking of Neubauten them >>check this out. > >Paul who? What CD? hehe, that's me. p.c.d. are my initials. i sign my ideal copy posts "paul c.d." to differentiate myself from the other pauls on the list. graeme was referring to the cds in the subject line. that one was celestial by circle x, and the other was tanker by bailter space. cheers, paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:16:48 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] Prefab Sprout newie >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Stephen JC Sheen [mailto:ssheen@clara.co.uk] >Gesendet: Montag, 2. Juli 2001 23:13 >An: idealcopy@smoe.org >Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] Prefab Sprout newie > > >New LP appeared with very little warning on Liberty EMI and is >the Prefab >Sprout cowboy concept album. Will check the local cd shop today ... >and slide guitars, but neither the Magnificent Seven nor ...reminds me of "Sandinista", the triple album from the Clash ... >Frankie Laine - >mostly just PS songs whose words happen to be about cowboys >(except for last >track hoedown eulogy to the farmyard cat). Produced by Tony Visconti, >guitar by Carlos Alomar, etc. Quite a few slowies. Will seem >dangerously >saccharine to Radiohead fans. No problem, I'm not a fan, just listen to "the Bends" now and then ... FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #202 *******************************