From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #198 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, June 29 2001 Volume 04 : Number 198 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] last night i mostly played.... ["they.wait" ] Re: [idealcopy] last night i mostly played.... [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] U2 Cover Wire? [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Joy Division's Quadrophenia [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] next to wire [MrSodium@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] U2 Cover Wire? [Andrew N Westmeyer ] [idealcopy] Soldier String Susans [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= ] [idealcopy] OT: PIL [Michael Flaherty ] [idealcopy] blasphemy?? [Felton Frog-Mon ] [idealcopy] wire customized transport device [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] blasphemy?? [Paul Pietromonaco ] [idealcopy] Re: Soldier String Susans ["stephen graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night i mostly played.... HOX it-ness Chameleons Script of the Bridge(Manchesters finest) Plaid Double Figures Biosphere Cirque Becks and Budvar were the only drugs reqd. They wait ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 06:52:36 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] ON HOLIDAY WMO (UK) is on holiday from 30th June to 9th July. If you need to contact us urgently please phone or fax the usual number. Hope you can wait for my: "this week i have mostly been listening to..." when i get back! ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:13:18 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night i mostly played.... fruit of the original sin - a crepescule comp and on the radio... the new belle & sebastian sounded good and so did something else, but i didn't catch the name - -paul c.d. - ------------ www.jdrf.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:31:45 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] U2 Cover Wire? OK which Wire song did U2 cover? I know U2 dug the early Wire, and did a song called Wire on The Unforgettable Fire which was based around the intro of 'The 15th' but did they record an actual cover version? I gave up on U2 after Rattle n Hum so I'm not familiar with their recent work. ////on andrews list of covers on "the wire page" he claims U2 covered mannequin i think , i guess just live. i've not heard the U2 song "wire" but i've got "wire dub" on an nme freebie single , i thought the wire steal on that song was the "being sucked in again" riff that gets played somwhere in the middle of it. And while we're on the subject, dare anyone admit to knowing which Wire tune the (painfully 90s) Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine covered? ////mannequin again , badly.p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:57:20 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Joy Division's Quadrophenia /////when i looked at this i had a wonderful image of mark bursa riding this ludicrous machine down weybridge high street. hey mark ; can you ride a scooter? p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:10:01 EDT From: MrSodium@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] next to wire In a message dated Wed, 27 Jun 2001 1:29:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: > ////// must admit "white door" passed me by ; who were they? i had wrongly > believed that wide boy awake just did the one "classic" (er , not sure if > that's the right word) single but i find out they did an album and at least > 3 more singles as well. maybe they were big in idaho or something , don't > recall seeing those discs in the uk. i guess they can't be any worse than > the chiefs of relief....... p Once you're out, you're out I guess. White Door had a minor "hit" with "Love Breakdown." Bleating synths, flaccid sequencing, and soggy Linn drums high in the mix. Yum!! I can't speak for Idaho, but White Door and WBA were popular among the sophisticated, cosmopolitan set in 1980's Syracuse. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:33:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] U2 Cover Wire? Excerpts from 28-Jun-101 [idealcopy] U2 Cover Wire? by Tim@cwcom.net > OK which Wire song did U2 cover? They covered Mannequin. I had heard this rumor, so I checked it out with a few U2 fan web pages. One webmaster confirmed that it was part of their live set prior to 1980. But he didn't have (or didn't want to trade) a recording of it. Somebody out there *must* have it! If anyone manages to track down a copy, please please please drop me a line. (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "Years of dealing with your kind has taught me patience." -Cecil Adams ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 19:09:08 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Soldier String Susans >>>>Another Phil Niblock recording is "Music by Phil Niblock" on the Experimental Intermedia Foundation label XI 111 c 1993. Consists of two tracks - Five More String Quartets - performed by the Soldier String Quartet (a very cool experimental NYC outfit, loosely affiliated w/ the Band of Susans) What is Band of Susans affiliation to Soldier String Quartet? >>>>and Early Winter - a 45 minute peice w/ Susan Stenger on flute, the aformentioned Soldiers and Eberhard Blum on prerecorded eight channel tape playing bass flute. The work is simply transcendental. I've seen this Cd once (on Kevin's shelves) but have never seen it in the shops or even heard it. Eddy or spin? Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 19:12:22 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] A Question of Screech Degree Tim said >>>>I take an interest/secret admiration in japanese blokes who make music feeding back wires into a mixing desk, (maybe not enough to actually spend too much time listening to the results...I've tried it at home and it just goes screeeeeeech) This reminds me of a story about a Jimi Hendrix roadie who picked up Jimi's guitar and couldn't get anything but a howl of feedback from it no matter how hard he tried, whereas Hendrix could get all sorts of different noises and melodies from it. There are of course various different degrees of screech and Arlo of Villa 21 (a Mancunian who plays no input mixer) gets very dense drones and noises which I wouldn't call 'screeches', and sounds pretty different to the more zenlike meditative high pitches Nakamura deftly manipulates. I've also heard Nakamura get beats/pulses from his mixer. Admit it, you haven't actually heard him or Toshimaru Nakamura perform have you? I'm not saying you'd enjoy it... Practice Makes Perfect! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:41:31 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Joy Division's Quadrophenia Paul, << ////when i looked at this i had a wonderful image of mark bursa riding this ludicrous machine down weybridge high street. hey mark ; can you ride a scooter? p >> Never so much as sat on a hairdryer. Two wheels bad. Four wheels pays the bills. Sadly the owner named the scooter after the wrong New Order song. Should have been called Confusion, not Ceremony. Perhaps he got confused when Joy Division appeared on the same Something Else TV show as the Jam in '79... Now what would a Wire-customised personal transport device look like? Perhaps a large flying machine, previously used to carry passengers.... A former airliner. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:09:24 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] We All Live In A... mark wrote :- >Now what would a Wire-customised personal transport device look like? a submarine/Stingray/Thunderbird 4 type craft, surely...? ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:21:33 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] OT: PIL >Now I'd pay to hear Lydon, Levene, Wobble & Dudanski >(or Walker) if they got a reunion together. Actually >Wobble, Or perhaps Wobble and Levene alone? With Evan Parker? >Also Cowboy Song from the flipside of Public Image is >one of the most gleefully cacophonic poptones ever >recorded & ends in a great locked groove. It's on a >par with 'Former Airline'. What I love about Cowboy Song is that it (much more than the A-side) served as warning that this was not Sex Pistols pt.2. Recent purchases: John Cage: "The Works for Violin 4" Thurston Moore: TM / MF Thurston Moore, Walter Prati, Giancarlo Schiaffini: "Three Incredible Ideas" So far, so good, Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:33:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Felton Frog-Mon Subject: [idealcopy] blasphemy?? Greetings fellow idealists... Just to pass on an interesting item.. I went and saw Radiohead in Mountain View, CA last night and was quite floored by them! And while they aren't the most popular on this list, they did a great cover of Can's "Thief", while mentioning that Can is one of Radiohead's favorite bands. They also managed 4 encores before the night was finished! Cool stuff!!! ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "May all your ups and downs be between the sheets." - -Tom Waits - ----------------------------------------------------------- Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 22:27:05 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] wire customized transport device In a message dated 6/28/01 5:53:00 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > >Now what would a Wire-customised personal transport device look like? Perhaps > >a large flying machine, previously used to carry passengers.... my friend has a volvo with IBTABA for a license plate :o) - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 19:43:14 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] blasphemy?? >And while they aren't the most popular on this list, >they did a great cover of Can's "Thief", while >mentioning that Can is one of Radiohead's favorite >bands. > Interesting. Seems like Radiohead is trying to do one obscure song each night. I just saw them at the Gorge in George, Washington, and they played an unreleased song called "Reckoner" (sometimes known as "Feeling Pulled apart by horses"). According to the http://ateaseweb.com website, it was the first time they've ever performed the song for anyone, outside of a soundcheck or a rehearsal - no studio version either. It was quite a "heavy metal" style rocker - not electronica at all. There is an MP3 on the site. Three encores for the Washington show... maybe it was the excitement of playing a Can song. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 01:10:29 -0400 From: "stephen graziano" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Soldier String Susans Nicolas Collins - It Was a Dark and Stormy Night Trace Elements Records 172 East 4th St. Suite 11D (Robert Poss's old NYC address) 3 tracks - "Broken Light" - Soldier String Quartet, "Tobabo Fonio" - Nicolas Collins, trombone-propelled electronics "It Was a Dark and Stormy Night" - David Moss, voice Nicolas Collins, voice, backwards electric guitar & electronics Robert Poss, electric guitar Guy Klucevek, accordian Ben Neill, trumpet Rob Bethea, trombone Tom Cora, cello Soldier String Quartet I am also, almost sure, that I saw Robert Poss play electric guitar w/ the Soldier String Qt. at the bandshell in Tompkins Square Park, and I sort of remember Dave giving me a Soldier String Qt demo cassette when I was having a drink at CBGB's w/ Robert Poss one afternoon. >From: Graeme Rowland >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >CC: sjgraziano@hotmail.com >Subject: Soldier String Susans >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 19:09:08 +0100 (BST) > > > > > >>>>Another Phil Niblock recording is "Music by Phil >Niblock" on the >Experimental Intermedia Foundation label XI 111 c >1993. Consists of >two tracks - Five More String Quartets - performed by >the Soldier String >Quartet (a very cool experimental NYC outfit, loosely >affiliated w/ the Band of >Susans) > >What is Band of Susans affiliation to Soldier String >Quartet? > > >>>>and Early Winter - a 45 minute peice w/ Susan >Stenger on flute, >the aformentioned Soldiers and Eberhard Blum on >prerecorded eight channel >tape playing bass flute. The work is simply >transcendental. > >I've seen this Cd once (on Kevin's shelves) but have >never seen it in the shops or even heard it. > >Eddy or spin? >Graeme > >===== >Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine >http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine > >"What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert >Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk >or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 03:57:30 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Joy Division's Quadrophenia i thought atrocity exhibition might have been more appropriate still. p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #198 *******************************