From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #197 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, June 28 2001 Volume 04 : Number 197 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] last night i was mostly listening to: [kevin eden ] [idealcopy] Low/High Wire [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] Keith Levene Metal Box [John Roberts ] [idealcopy] U2 Cover Wire? [Tim ] [idealcopy] Joy Division's Quadrophenia [fernando ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 02:49:28 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] last night i was mostly listening to: last night i listened to: Andrew Hill - Point of Departure Miles Davis - Kind of Blue (52 year old album and still sublime) Sun Ra - Jazz in Silouhette seems i've created a monster! ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:16:19 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night i was mostly listening to: kevin wrote :- >seems i've created a monster! well, it has been a bit quite on the list lately, at the least we can send in playlists... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 07:09:49 -0500 From: "wiremailorder.com" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: "I'm so cool I only listen to ..." >No DIY acupuncture needed for that lot! DON'T KID YOURSELF. THAT'S EXACTLY THE KIND OF PLAYLIST THAT NEEDS THIS: - -----------------| |-----------------------------> - -----------------| c shop@wiremailorder.com http://www.wiremailorder.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 00:53:09 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Ill-matched gigs Sorry to rekindle this old thread but I finally thought of one! the Happy Mondays, G-Mex Centre Manchester, supported by......bewildered looking 60s troubadour Donovan! This was no doubt some rather misguided tour-bus gag that came horribly true as the fans were treated to a set of heavily Linn-drummed up versions of Donvan classics, assisted by pony-tailed session men in slick 80s overdrive. It was not pretty. Later, both of Donovans daughters were 'lucky' enough to bag themselves a Ryder brother each. What more could a girl wish for? Dad must have been so proud. _________________________ The Kids Are Alright http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 02:49:37 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Low/High Wire All this talk about disco vs prog....avante garde vs mainstream kinda got me-a-thinkin. I for one am interested in music generally. I take an interest/secret admiration in japanese blokes who make music feeding back wires into a mixing desk, (maybe not enough to actually spend too much time listening to the results...I've tried it at home and it just goes screeeeeeech) but I'm also interested in POP!, what the kids are listening to and why, and I'm interested in how purer music like the more minimal electronic stuff filters down into more popular stuff. So I've no great love of Radiohead but I am fascinated by how a major label rock band with a vast international fanbase responds to autechre/aphex twin style electronica, for example. I enjoyed their BBC2 show, if only to see a rock band coping with the constraints of electronic instruments as opposed to guitars. I like the way Johhny Greenwood used the Korg Kaospad like a guitar, sampling the singers voice as he sang. .Maybe in the future whole bands will be formed using Kaospads and syndrums!. Maybe this will have the same kind of effect on 'The Kids' that Bowies use of Kraftwerk/Neu/Eno had in the late 70s. Maybe more interesting bands will follow without the sanctimonious wailing aspect of Radiohead? As a music fan then I get a lot of pleasure out of what more populist writers/performers do with the *ideas* of originators/purists of the form. Hence I enjoy Stereolab expanding the ideas of the likes of Neu and adding Beach Boys harmony/chord shapes, electronica, latin rythmns, europan exotoca, Wire-y drone rock etc etc Similarly I'm also interested in hearing experimental artists working in a more popular idiom. So I'd rather hear Cale doing his johnny violin thing with the Velvets rather than hear him droning along with The Dream Syndicate. Similarly I'd rather hear Bruce within the context of Wire. Hearing some of his solo stuff isn't always a pleasant experience, but for reference purposes its good because it adds some context to the nature of his position in Wire as a band Its fascinating to hear someone like Bruce, (and maybe Lewis?) who is rooted in a very arty background having to contribute to music made in a pop/rock/punk idiom....and in the early days of Wire risk being bottled/spat at! (Whos a clever boy then?) It adds another dimension to ones understanding of Wire and their items. Gee! What a swell band! The Kids Are Alright http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 08:21:31 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Keith Levene Metal Box > Is there anyone on this list who doesn't like Metal > Box? Doesn't look it. > Now I'd pay to hear Lydon, Levene, Wobble & Dudanski > (or Walker) if they got a reunion together. Oh yes. I didn't go to the Pistols reunions but I'd go to that. It could be complete pants but it'd be better than the last time I saw PiL circa Album. Actually it would probably be a bit odd > since > Levene mentions that a key element in the PiL > chemistry was that Wobble could only just play and > quite clearly he's quite proficient now. And it's > not > very likely to happen. Where is it that Lydon states that Wobble got kicked out of PiL because he appropriated some of the Metal Box backing tapes for Betrayal? I saw Jah Wobble in Leicester a few years ago and I think he still has the same sound!!! > > I've also got the 12" of Memories which is a > different > mix to metal box and levels it all off and doesn't > do > that great fade up that the album version does. > > Also Cowboy Song from the flipside of Public Image > is > one of the most gleefully cacophonic poptones ever > recorded & ends in a great locked groove. It's on a > par with 'Former Airline'. Are the CD owners aware that on the vinyl editions of Metal Box there's a locked groove on Radio Four? Just thought I ought to let you know. 8-) I've been listening to: Vic Godard - 20 Odd Years/What's the Matter Boy?; Husker Du - Zen Arcade; Alternative TV - The Image Has Cracked; Pere Ubu - Cloudland; Iggy and the Stooges - Raw Power; Swell Maps - Trip to Marineville/Jane from Occupied Europe. John (In a very good mood as he's just found copies of Leicester City Season Highlights 91/2 and an uncut Dutch version of the Evil Dead in the second hand shop up the road for two quid each!) Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 11:32:16 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night i was mostly listening to: sure this is always a safe thing with you lot anyway! Steely Dan: Countdown To Ecstasy Colin Newman: It Seems Allman Brothers: Beginnings Au Pairs: Playing With A Different Sex Burt Bacharach: Take It Easy On Yourself Paul Weller: Heavy Soul Jethro Tull: This Was Joe Jackson: Body and Soul Chemical Brothers: Exit Planet Dust Yeah?? well it's MY stereo and I like it! :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:17:21 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] next to wire In a message dated 27/06/01 03:59:13 GMT Daylight Time, MrSodium@aol.com writes: > << nobody seems to be owning up to any westworld or wide boy awake records i > notice. aren't they cool any more? p > >> > > I declined to list my vinyl neighbors, in part to avoid 'fessin up to > having > the slang teacher 12", but mostly to maintain plausible deniability about > the > "White Door" LP nearby. (Think Naked Eyes, but wimpier, if that's > possible.) > > > ////// must admit "white door" passed me by ; who were they? i had wrongly > believed that wide boy awake just did the one "classic" (er , not sure if > that's the right word) single but i find out they did an album and at least > 3 more singles as well. maybe they were big in idaho or something , don't > recall seeing those discs in the uk. i guess they can't be any worse than > the chiefs of relief....... p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:32:33 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Low/High Wire In a message dated 27/06/01 14:02:04 GMT Daylight Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: > So I've no great love of Radiohead but I am fascinated by how a major label > rock band with a vast international fanbase responds to autechre/aphex > twin style electronica, for example. > > I enjoyed their BBC2 show, if only to see a rock band coping with the > constraints of electronic instruments as opposed to guitars. I like the way > Johhny Greenwood used the Korg Kaospad like a guitar, sampling the singers > voice as he sang. .Maybe in the future whole bands will be formed using > Kaospads and syndrums!. //////i am crrently reading (and really enjoying) a book called "7 years of plenty" by ben thompson , its a collection of essays he wrote for various publications 91-98. i got it for a quid out of a remainder shop , probably still available. now you all know i really don't like these people who criticise hard working professional musicians , but by page 2 mr thompson had already likened rick witter of shed 7 to "a skinny fresian with loose stools" and i'd guessed he may have some light to shed upon the so-called "music scene". his description of radiohead (written at the time of OK computer) was this ; "the broadness of radiohead's musical canvas is sufficiently impressive that it hardly matters that Yorke's emotional palette only has one colour on it" i quite liked that. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:47:50 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Keith Levene Metal Box In a message dated 26/06/01 19:54:45 GMT Daylight Time, crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk writes: > Funny that he rates 'The Suit' as the worst Metal Box > track too, since this is the one I tend to skip... > although Lydon's later 'heavy rock' reworking with > John McGeoch on guitar was a total joke. > > ///// i never heard that. they claimed they were going to totally re-do the > early stuff but lost interest after about 2 tracks (i think they also > re-did religion on a b-side). the box-set has a peel session of > chant/careering/poptones which is fab. > > on the subject of box-sets , the magazine one is in HMV at 2 for #22. now > that's a bargain. but can you find another cd you'd like in HMV graeme? p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:59:04 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] New Gez 'G-Man' Varley album Those of you that enjoyed the G-Man releases on Colin Newmans Swim~ label may be interested a new CD on Force Incorporated, 'Bayou Paradis' by Gez Varley, who is of course G-Man and was one half of Warp legends LFO. Its nothing groundbreaking, just the trademark G-deep electonica but just lush enough to set it apart from your average banging techno tracks. Lots of panning stereo harmonic synth washes and un-obtrusive, hypnotic four-four beats. Actually its refreshingly basic after all this irritatingly fussy click and cut stuff that seems to have swamped the electronic market recently. Theres more to it than meets the ear initially, a few listens reveals some hidden layers of melody and trickery. Good train journey music. _________________________ The Kids Are United www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 02:29:50 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] U2 Cover Wire? From the Swim~ website: "Trivia! Notable people who have covered Wire Songs include U2, My Bloody Valentine, REM, Lush, Big Black, Carter USM, Therapy?, Flying Saucer Attack, Minor Threat, The Orb, Henry Rollins, Laika, Bark Psychosis, Godflesh, Scanner, Lee Ranaldo, Colin & Malka ... " OK which Wire song did U2 cover? I know U2 dug the early Wire, and did a song called Wire on The Unforgettable Fire which was based around the intro of 'The 15th' but did they record an actual cover version? I gave up on U2 after Rattle n Hum so I'm not familiar with their recent work. And while we're on the subject, dare anyone admit to knowing which Wire tune the (painfully 90s) Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine covered? As for The Orb, they only did a remix of So and Slow, hardly a cover version Although did anyone hear their version of 'No Fun' by the Stooges, it was done in a Peel Session in 92(?) with Alex Patterson on vocals. This was tacked onto the end of a version of OOBE, to brain mashing effect. _________________________ The Kids Are Untied http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:47:38 -0700 From: fernando Subject: [idealcopy] Joy Division's Quadrophenia well... of sorts. Check: http://www.jason38.freeserve.co.uk/scoot.htm Er, it is not literally about music... but one of its effects. Been a big fan of Joy Division and The Who, I never thought of making *this* connection. cheers! - -fernando PS for all the lists on "what's playing"... does anybody listen to the last Hood EP? One of the best things this year! (soon to be proven as fact, of course... ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:41:58 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Keith Levene Metal Box >like metal box?!! like metal box??!!! not only was "second edition" part of >my very first cd purchase (along with xtc-english settlement, new >order-movement, and i can't believe i'm admitting this...led zeppelin-houses >of the holy), *ahem* over the weekend, mere days after declaring here that led zep were among the bands i'd never let into my house in any way, shape or form, i learned that my girlfriend had a duplicate copy of houses of the holy, & since i (as noted earlier) *do* love d'yer maker ... well, you can guess the rest. of course, it turns out she also has a duplicate of hell freezes over, but ain't no *way* the bloody eagles are ever gonna get anywhere near my stereo. the 7" i picked up back around '86 or so of don henley's (i think) all she wants to do is dance is, please god, the closest i'll ever come. dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:39:06 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] last night i mostly played.... Burning Spear - first album on Studio One (in preparation of getting new Spear Burning compilation) Russell Mills /Ian walton - installation CD from Grasmere over and out ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #197 *******************************