From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #190 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, June 21 2001 Volume 04 : Number 190 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] Colin and New Eno CD [Ian Calder ] [idealcopy] Colin and Uzect Plaush [Ian Calder ] Re: [idealcopy] hox interview ["Vandenberghe, Patrick" ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #188 [Nik ] [idealcopy] OT - another sex in a different ballpark [Hatsephsut@aol.com] [idealcopy] New Brian Eno record [Rain19c@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: Succinct intro [Rain19c@aol.com] [idealcopy] OT - Sex and the Moddy Blues [Hatsephsut@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: OT - Sex and the Moddy Blues ["ian jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Succinct intro/Music Videos ["Heather ." ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Succinct intro/Music Videos ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - led zep (was: prog v. disco) ["dan bailey" ] RE: [idealcopy] led zep (was: prog v. disco) ["giluz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:05:54 +0100 From: Ian Calder Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Colin and New Eno CD >Can you elaborate more about this new album? Is it a songs albums or a >soundscapes album? What does it sound like? Who else plays on it? Is it >worth buying? > >giluz try before you buy - you can hear excerpts from the Eno/Schwalm album here; http://the-raft.com/brianeno/ regards, Ian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:22:10 +0100 From: Ian Calder Subject: [idealcopy] Colin and Uzect Plaush >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:09:09 -0500 >From: Michael Flaherty >Subject: [idealcopy] Colin and New Eno CD > >Among those thanked on Eno's "Drawn From Life" is Colin Newman. I have no >idea what he did ... he didn't play, sing, write, produce, etc. > >One track (Like Pictures Part 1) reminds me a bit of mid-80s Gilbert; a few >moments sound like recent Lewis. Not a recommendation, just an observation. > >Michael Flaherty On a similar note... Colin Newman is also thanked amongst the credits for the Uzect Plaush CD 'More Beautiful Human Life' (Uzect Plaush being a pseudonym for Paul Sch|tze) - anyone know of what his involvement, if any, was? Off topic, for any Paul Sch|tze experts... 'More Beautiful Human Life' is a particular favourite of mine - that and the 'Vertical Memory' CD under the name of Seed, again by Sch|tze. I've sampled a number of his other works (like 'Third Site', Abysmal Evenings', 'Apart') but didn't find them very appealing. Does anyone have any recommendations for any further work in the 'More Beautiful Human Life'/'Vertical Memory' vein by him to seek out? thanks in advance, Ian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:16:57 +0200 From: "Vandenberghe, Patrick" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] hox interview hox review and lewis interview upcoming in our [uzine 01.09] for free subscription : http://www.dma.be/p/ultra your e-address will not be given to any third party ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:40:11 +0100 From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #189 OT Scritti > /////they were allegedly going to re-release the first scritti album with the > early RT singles tacked on the end ; did that happen? > I saw this album listed in Record Collector twice as a Japanese release about 12/18 months ago. I placed an order but it was postponed indefinitely. This didn't suprise me as I thought Green had more or less disowned this material and (if he or RT still have the rights) I couldn't see it being legitimately released. If you can track down the other Peel session that's also excellent (as could be their live improvised songs circa 78/9). Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:34:13 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Lobe & i found the first swim comp on the $1 discard wall at my favorite used place (same shop i'd found used copies of the so & slow it grows & in vivo 12"s at different times) awhile back here in the middle of arkansas. clearly, one of us is traveling through the us, seeding certain areas with wire-related releases ... dan >you can imagine my extreme shock seeing an original copy of the first lobe >disc in a used cd bin in boston for $8.....i always had meant to get it off >swim, even if it was only a cdr, but im so happy i found an original. >so, was it anyone here who sold it? that would be pretty funny...i also saw a >copy of the whore compilation a while back in the used bins too. >~michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:43:07 +0100 From: Nik Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #188 In message , Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey writes >Well, disco certainly originated among gay, black, and Latino subcultures >- but in its journey into popularity, it (as so many other trends) got >whitened and straightened - thus Travolta, Bee Gees, etc. De-gaying disco was such a major issue that even the Village People (excluding, of course, the married Victor Willis) pretended to be straight in that awful 'Can't stop the music' film. The Travolta movies are by many regarded as a joke. Laurel: 'Gay liberation' started with the Stonewall riots in 1969. Any search engine will tell you more. The 'gay lib' you are referring to is linked to the early coverage of Aids in the media from about 1983 onwards, 'gay plague', 'possibly caused by the consumption of Poppers' and all that. > >I'm not so sure that anti-disco was that prominently anti-gay - I don't >think that many middle American rockers really knew it had gay >associations. It may well have been anti-black - I know once a friend of One does not exclude the other. Disco had a lot of black, Latino, gay, and, last, but not least, female stars, and, compared to the average grubby male hetero rocker your average white hetero listener could live with comfortably, they were all rather aesthetically appealing, which made matters worse ;). Nik ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:48:07 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Succinct intro whereabouts in the south? north little rock (where i am now) is as far north as i've ever lived ... but i still managed to acquire pink flag, chairs missing & 154 while going to school in rural sw arkansas back in the days when vinyl roamed the earth, so anything's possible. dan >Greetings and salutations, I'm a new member, so here's my brief > >introduction. My name is Heather and I'm an American college student > >currently residing in the South. Technically I first heard Wire > >when I was around 14-15, on the Rhino's DIY "Modern World" punk > >compilation. I liked "I am the Fly" a lot, but what really started > >my Wire fandom was when a saw a snippet of "Ahead" on a Canadian > >documentary. Obviously, I love Wire, and I am slowly starting to hear > >some of the solo and non-Wire stuff, though hopefully in the near > >future will come across more of it(you can imagine how available most > >of that stuff is over here in the US, especially if you don't live in > >a metropolitan area). > >By the way, I noticed some Wide Boy Awake discussion, and "Chicken > >Outlaw" is one of my favorite songs! I look forward to the various > >discussion and hope that I can contribute something interesting too. > >Truly, > >Heather > > >>From: "dan bailey" >>To: >>Subject: Re: [idealcopy] next to wire >>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:03:42 -0500 >> >>well, i have wba's chicken outlaw/slang teacher 12", but of course i don't >>shelve my 12"s with my albums. >> >>dan >> >> >> >nobody seems to be owning up to any westworld or wide boy awake records i >> >notice. aren't they cool any more? p > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:50:29 EDT From: Hatsephsut@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] OT - another sex in a different ballpark Ian Said: laurel wrote :- <> Of course there were :-) - but that doesn't mean it was "played" for a gay audience - that was just a happy side benefit - just like I'm sure Liz Hurley didn't wear those safety pins for gay women, but I don't doubt they enjoyed it a whole lot - hell, I'm straight, but BELIEVE me, I could and did appreciate and enjoy that one <>> I like your mom - never met her, but she sounds a lot like my mom - do you mind if I forward that last bit to Buzzcocks list? Pete will love that - my mom always appreciated Something Goes Wrong Again Laurel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:36:54 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] New Brian Eno record giluz wrote : >Can you elaborate more about this new album? Is it a >songs albums or a soundscapes album? What does it >sound like? Who else plays on it? Is it worth buying? i just got this the other day and i really like it - the best he's done in awhile. soundscapes, not songs..although the guy who he is collaborating with ( german dj j.peter schwalm ) add some cool touches of jazz, and arguably, some light hip hop rythmns. also the use of vocoder/voices turns up on the record (has brian been listening to daft punk? ha) one of them (two voices i believe its called) is this high pitched synthesized voice reciting a small poem in slow motion. so thats what i dig about the record, its not just the eno "float" like on apollo, but it has a bunch of cool drum grooves and synthesized voices. and laurie anderson is on "like pictures #2"...she randomly says "some things are not pictures" or something. the first two tracks on the record (from this moment/parsis) are definitley 2 of my new fav eno tracks now. so, yeah its worth it, i believe. ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:46:02 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Succinct intro >My name is Heather and I'm an American college student >currently residing in the South. you are certaintly in the minority, im in college in america too, but everyone else here seems to be british, male, and in the 30-40 range (hence endless talk about prog, disco, and punk!) >my Wire fandom was when a saw a snippet of "Ahead" on >a Canadian still one of the greatest music videos i've ever seen. ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:47:31 EDT From: Hatsephsut@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Sex and the Moddy Blues In a message dated 6/20/01 3:38:09 AM Central Daylight Time, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: << laurel wrote :- I remember being poked in the belly to that song at dances long before disco was a glimmer in somebody's eye... sorry to be blunt here laurel, but when you say 'poked'... you DO mean with a penis at attention, right? i just want to be clear on this er,...point! regards, ian.s.j. >> Oh, you're being no more blunt than I was - and if you think I'm going to get all embarrassed by you making a *point* of asking, think again my dear *L That is exactly what I meant, and no mistake - why do you think Knights In White Satin (Moody Blues version of course) was traditionally a last dance song? - in most cases back then it was about all the foreplay you could expect, and very one sided to be sure - now that I think on it, I know the REAL roots of disco and punk - dissatisfied women - out with the long slow swaying dances and in with having to work for it Laurel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:04:31 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: OT - Sex and the Moddy Blues >Oh, you're being no more blunt than I was - and if you think I'm going to >get all embarrassed by you making a *point* of asking, think again my dear >*L played purely for laughs laurel, no embarrassment intended. i just thought that phrase was a great way of er...'putting it'! this is going to turn into a 'nudge, nudge, wink, wink,' thread, if we're not careful!!! ^_^ ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:04:55 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - prog v. disco In a message dated 18/06/01 13:00:43 GMT Daylight Time, nik@trans-lingua.demon.co.uk writes: > The 'Disco Sucks' division (and > the fact that the very sexual word 'Sucks' was chosen is revealing), > culminating in the 'Disco Demolition' rally in Chicago's Cominskey Park, > home of the White Sox, in July 1979, wasn't so much an assembly against > mindless plastic music, but more about putting gay liberation back in > its nocturnal niche. ////// i saw a film of this once , hilarious stuff. as i read this the thought struck me that maybe the UK punks missed a great opportunity by not having a "prog sucks" rally. just think , several cubic metres of gryphon , gentle giant , yelpesis and wishbone ash blazing away merrily to a soundtrack of eater , the lurkers and the drones. hmmm , maybe not on second thoughts. as for led zep being prog , certainly not the 1 - 4 albums but stuff like presence was pretty turgid as i recall. still like meddle/dsotm but the wall is a real pet hate of mine.p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:04:54 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Names for Kids Indestructible David Bowie needs ideas... Yeah, he'll just rip off all our ideas and that's the last we'll hear of him. (Bongwater) Bad Club Comic This could be a name for their Bernard Manning sample project over which the kids do 'chart hit' karaoke, including Wham & Elton John. Died On Stage (aka DOS) A tribute to all the dead rock stars, and of course a 'sunny' Brian Wilson influence. Avante-Garde Corner For their more out there doodlings, the kids could use this name. Note the addition of the extra 'e' which could be the same one left floating in the ether by Wir, but probably isn't. Making Assumptions This could denote a project in which the musicians sample the Merzbow 50 CD black rubber box set in order to highlight the poor taste of someone who doesn't own it, and indeed is so bereft that they only have one Merzbow CD proper! A Total Joke For a limited edition 'fan club only' tape pressed up in a run of only 33, the same number as the first Godspeed You Black Emperor! tape. Bury Your Flab A tribute to the 'genius' of 'krautrock' gravediggers, Stereolab, but with 'phat' beats. Poor Vector The kids cover Radiohead 'songs' in the 'style' of Autechre at Milton Keynes 'bowl'. Drink from the Mainstream A sell out to lucrative corporate hip hop metal hybrids, baseball caps reversed! Sponsored by Dr Marten boots. Wire Sorry that one's been taken already. It's about time Wire got some music out before this list devolves into 'High Fidelity' minus the plot. Actually I don't know what I'm talking about. I've never read the book or seen the film, just got secondhand accounts and critical media refractions to inform my well formed opinion of this Hornby story. Please don't feed me anymore. Someone is taking me Grouchy Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:31:38 -0400 From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #188 > >Well, disco certainly originated among gay, black, and Latino subcultures > > > >I'm not so sure that anti-disco was that prominently anti-gay - I don't > >think that many middle American rockers really knew it had gay > >associations. It may well have been anti-black - I know once a friend of >One does not exclude the other. Disco had a lot of black, Latino, gay, >and, last, but not least, female stars, and, compared to the average >grubby male hetero rocker your average white hetero listener could live >with comfortably >Nik Forgive the snips - A lot depends upon when one wants to say disco began. The nightclub scene in big cities - esp NYC and LA always had an important go out to dance to records and not see live bands component to it. i.e. the early days of the Twist at the Peppermint Lounge. Those type of clubs were even called discotechs. Of course, as the 60's progressed, music changed and the simple 2 1/2 min., "it's got a good beat to it Dave (Clark), I'll give it a 92", gave way to more ambitiously constructed, artier, rock music as opposed to rock 'n roll. But dancing remained important. Just look at the 30 year run of American Bandstand on TV, where all of young America tuned in to learn the latest steps and see the fashion of their peers. And of course later on we got Soul Train which focused much more on the American Black R'n B tradition and acts. But disco, primarily was a beat. A simple 2/2 beat that was easy to dance to. Constructed entirely to be danced to and purposely designed to be (on a certain level) inane enough to allow the participants in the nightlife to forget about everything and get lost in the physical sensation of the dance. And that phenomena is as old as human civilization itself. One can try and construct a musical lineage of disco. Surely its precendents include Motown and Stax pop heritange. As the 60s waned, Philly soul and Sly Stone funk both accentuated the romanticism and the hedonism of the beat experience. The advent of technology allowed for both the precise repetion of mechanical rythym (allowing trancelike dancing states) and electronic effects to transport the dancers to otherworldly planes of there. And of course, being an urban phenomena, disco conoted a certain set of lifestyle practices and values, all tied into a pretty sexual freewheeling 70's - even rock was flirting w/ gender bending c.f. NY Dolls, Lou Reed, David Bowie et. al. - where the the definition of city life - rubbing elbows with those that are "different" whether that be sexual orientation, racial, cultural, whatever is more of a given, and in fact a large part of the appeal of urban culture. America's cities are "blacker" than the burb and ruralities, and they're gayer and more jewish and more chinese and more latino and more bisexual and more crowded, which ironically means that they are more anonymous which allows the individual a certain larger degree of freedom to navigate the seas of possibility of behaviour and self expression. By the late 70s, disco and postpunk rock were well under way to forming a tete a tete as much of what was played in the "rock discos" - in NYC Danceteria, Peppermint Lounge, Hurrah was, to my ears at least, indistinguishable from "disco music" except that the predominantly white kids at those clubs were presented a sanitized version mostly divorced from the urban conotations of 70s disco - but then again, those clubs were catering to a "out for a good night" bridge a tunnel crowd - ie. suburban kids with money to spend, and not the hardcore search for kicks that the edgier and hipper and urban crowd pursued with a vengence. And disco morphed into gogo and house and acid and rave and trance, but it's still the same phenomena - repitious beats, fueled by volume, inscescent physical motion (fueled as necessary by whatever the chemical fad of the era is) will allow the participant to reach a level of transcendence that their daily soulkilling grind denies them. Disco was not an abberation - prog rock made it a necessity. - Steve. G _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:01:44 -0500 From: "Heather ." Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Succinct intro Greetings! Consider yourself lucky, though I have found "Manscape" and "A-List" in a used cd store, so you're right anything is possible. Come to think about it, I also got the "Kidney Bingos" maxi-single in a Tulsa record store. So I'll stop my whining about that issue...Now if only I could chance upon some of the solo and non-Wire efforts. Oh well, there is always mail order..:) - -Heather >From: "dan bailey" >To: >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Succinct intro >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:48:07 -0500 > >as i've ever lived ... but i still managed to acquire pink flag, chairs >missing & 154 while going to school in rural sw arkansas back in the days >when vinyl roamed the earth, so anything's possible. > >dan > > > >Greetings and salutations, I'm a new member, so here's my brief > > > >introduction. My name is Heather and I'm an American college student > > > >currently residing in the South. Technically I first heard Wire > > > >when I was around 14-15, on the Rhino's DIY "Modern World" punk > > > >compilation. I liked "I am the Fly" a lot, but what really started > > > >my Wire fandom was when a saw a snippet of "Ahead" on a Canadian > > > >documentary. Obviously, I love Wire, and I am slowly starting to hear > > > >some of the solo and non-Wire stuff, though hopefully in the near > > > >future will come across more of it(you can imagine how available most > > > >of that stuff is over here in the US, especially if you don't live in > > > >a metropolitan area). > > > >By the way, I noticed some Wide Boy Awake discussion, and "Chicken > > > >Outlaw" is one of my favorite songs! I look forward to the various > > > >discussion and hope that I can contribute something interesting too. > > > >Truly, > > > >Heather > > > > > >>From: "dan bailey" > >>To: > >>Subject: Re: [idealcopy] next to wire > >>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:03:42 -0500 > >> > >>well, i have wba's chicken outlaw/slang teacher 12", but of course i >don't > >>shelve my 12"s with my albums. > >> > >>dan > >> > >> > >> >nobody seems to be owning up to any westworld or wide boy awake >records >i > >> >notice. aren't they cool any more? p > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:12:38 -0500 From: "Heather ." Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Succinct intro/Music Videos Ahoy! Well that's ok, because in my heart I am a disco/punk listening 40 year old British man. No really I am. Ok, sorry about my silli ness there. Yes "Ahead" is one of the best music videos, ever. I wish more bands would take advantage of the form like Wire seemed to do(remember I've only seen like 2 or 3 videos). Music video as a creative form has a lot of creative potential, but more often that now, are used more like adverts than anything else. Has anyone here wondered about that puppet towards the end of the "Kidney Bingos" video? Always makes me giggle for some reason.. - -Heather >From: Rain19c@aol.com >To: >Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Succinct intro >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:46:02 EDT > > >My name is Heather and I'm an American college student > >currently residing in the South. > >you are certaintly in the minority, im in college in america too, but >everyone else here seems to be british, male, and in the 30-40 range (hence >endless talk about prog, disco, and punk!) > > >my Wire fandom was when a saw a snippet of "Ahead" on >a Canadian > >still one of the greatest music videos i've ever seen. > >~michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:47:49 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] trojan horse dunno if anyone else noticed , but the first 6 tracks on "behind the curtain" are credited as being licensed from trojan records. that struck me as odd when i read it as i always associated trojan with reggae. i guess emi flogged on all the roxy tapes and that's where the buzzcocks/x-ray spex re-issues came from. tragic they never did the wire one as the pink flag tracks must be in the can still. i digress. in today's guardian business section is a piece saying that trojan records has just been sold for #10.25 million to........"businessman colin newman who has been running the company since 1985". maybe that's why wire have been quiet this year? now colin has done that deal maybe he'll get back working on the new lp? i do hope so :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:09:08 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] trojan horse >i digress. in today's guardian business section is a piece saying that trojan >records has just been sold for #10.25 million to........"businessman colin >newman who has been running the company since 1985". maybe that's why wire >have been quiet this year? now colin has done that deal maybe he'll get back >working on the new lp? i do hope so :-) p Here's the article in HTML: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,3604,509678,00.html and, yes, Colin Newman is mentioned. I guess if this "Wire" thing doesn't work out, he's still got the record label thing to fall back on. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:28:26 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Succinct intro/Music Videos >Yes "Ahead" is one of the best music videos, ever. I wish more bands > >would take advantage of the form like Wire seemed to do(remember I've > >only seen like 2 or 3 videos). same here, actually -- ahead, eardrum buzz, *maybe* kidney bingos (though i doubt it) & silk skin paws. dan Music video as a creative form has a > >lot of creative potential, but more often that now, are used more like > >adverts than anything else. Has anyone here wondered about that > >puppet towards the end of the "Kidney Bingos" video? Always makes me > >giggle for some reason.. > >-Heather > > >>From: Rain19c@aol.com >>To: >>Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Succinct intro >>Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:46:02 EDT >> >> >My name is Heather and I'm an American college student >> >currently residing in the South. >> >>you are certaintly in the minority, im in college in america too, but >>everyone else here seems to be british, male, and in the 30-40 range (hence >>endless talk about prog, disco, and punk!) >> >> >my Wire fandom was when a saw a snippet of "Ahead" on >a Canadian >> >>still one of the greatest music videos i've ever seen. >> >>~michael > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:33:49 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Succinct intro actually, i suspect i've found far more of the 2nd-incarnation stuff used/promo/cutout than new -- a bell is a cup lp, it's beginning to lp, ahead 12", silk skin paws 12", in vivo 12" (which i didn't even know existed, back in those dark days before the internet), first letter cd (ditto), so & slow it grows 12", life in the manscape cd, manscape cd ... & going further back, colin's a-z cd & the 154 & chairs missing cds. even the our swimmer & dot dash 7"s, come to think of it. dan >Greetings! Consider yourself lucky, though I have found "Manscape" > >and "A-List" in a used cd store, so you're right anything is possible. > >Come to think about it, I also got the "Kidney Bingos" maxi-single in >a Tulsa record store. So I'll stop my whining about that issue...Now > >if only I could chance upon some of the solo and non-Wire efforts. Oh > >well, there is always mail order..:) > >-Heather > >>From: "dan bailey" >>To: >>Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Succinct intro >>Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:48:07 -0500 >> > >>as i've ever lived ... but i still managed to acquire pink flag, chairs >>missing & 154 while going to school in rural sw arkansas back in the days >>when vinyl roamed the earth, so anything's possible. >> >>dan >> >> >> >Greetings and salutations, I'm a new member, so here's my brief >> > >> >introduction. My name is Heather and I'm an American college student >> > >> >currently residing in the South. Technically I first heard Wire >> > >> >when I was around 14-15, on the Rhino's DIY "Modern World" punk >> > >> >compilation. I liked "I am the Fly" a lot, but what really started >> > >> >my Wire fandom was when a saw a snippet of "Ahead" on a Canadian >> > >> >documentary. Obviously, I love Wire, and I am slowly starting to hear >> > >> >some of the solo and non-Wire stuff, though hopefully in the near >> > >> >future will come across more of it(you can imagine how available most >> > >> >of that stuff is over here in the US, especially if you don't live in >> > >> >a metropolitan area). >> > >> >By the way, I noticed some Wide Boy Awake discussion, and "Chicken >> > >> >Outlaw" is one of my favorite songs! I look forward to the various >> > >> >discussion and hope that I can contribute something interesting too. >> > >> >Truly, >> > >> >Heather >> > >> > >> >>From: "dan bailey" >> >>To: >> >>Subject: Re: [idealcopy] next to wire >> >>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:03:42 -0500 >> >> >> >>well, i have wba's chicken outlaw/slang teacher 12", but of course i >>don't >> >>shelve my 12"s with my albums. >> >> >> >>dan >> >> >> >> >> >> >nobody seems to be owning up to any westworld or wide boy awake >>records >>i >> >> >notice. aren't they cool any more? p >> > >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:41:54 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - led zep (was: prog v. disco) >as for led zep being prog , certainly not the 1 - 4 albums but stuff like >presence was pretty turgid as i recall. still like meddle/dsotm but the wall >is a real pet hate of mine.p going through some of my scattered stacks of cds the other day (a task i'm able to muster the energy for only once every year or so), i was horrified to discover that my case for mc 900 foot jesus' one step ahead of the spider actually contains a led zep disc, coda. *sigh* that's one band i swore i'd never let inside my house in any way, shape or form (though i like d'yer maker well enough, & if i read the credits of 5 days in september -- or whatever the recent documentary about the '72 olympic village massacre in munich is called -- correctly, immigrant song has some fine moments as well). dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:27:37 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] High Fidelity Mailing List > It's about time Wire got some music out before this > list devolves into 'High Fidelity' minus the plot. It already has, always has been and always will be - it's just that when we discuss Wire it's less obvious. > Actually I don't know what I'm talking about. I've > never read the book or seen the film, just got > secondhand accounts and critical media refractions to > inform my well formed opinion of this Hornby story. Same here - didn't make me wanna hear or know anything else about it. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:30:13 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] led zep (was: prog v. disco) (though i like d'yer > maker well enough, & if i read the credits of 5 days in september -- or > whatever the recent documentary about the '72 olympic village massacre in > munich is called -- correctly, immigrant song has some fine moments as > well). I prefer the Minimal Compact version (I just had to add that so that at least this thread would have some OnTopic content), currently available on their (excellent) last studio CD, the Figure One Cuts. giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #190 *******************************