From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #189 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, June 20 2001 Volume 04 : Number 189 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] "rock" [kevin eden ] [idealcopy] Re:(the) wire ["david mack" ] [idealcopy] IBM - Bruce + Pan Sonic ["wiremailorder.com" ] Re: [idealcopy] UvD ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] aiffs wavs mp3s wanted ["they.wait" ] Re: [idealcopy] UvD ["Vandenberghe, Patrick" ] Re: [idealcopy] Wir & PiL [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] next to wire [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Its a Rip Off! [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] hmmmm a little help would be nice [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - early Scritti ["Uri Baran" ] [idealcopy] Colin and New Eno CD [Michael Flaherty ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #188 [HeySean@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re:(the) wire ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] OT: Phill Niblock [Michael Flaherty ] [idealcopy] Lobe [Rain19c@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #188 [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey <] [idealcopy] Succinct intro ["Heather ." ] [idealcopy] Succinct intro ["Heather ." ] RE: [idealcopy] Colin and New Eno CD ["giluz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 02:04:54 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] "rock" Don't usually get involved but: Graeme Rowland said: "There are so many better things than early seventies bore rock around today why would anyone waste precious listening time trying to like that bilge?" As an unashamed fan of some 70's rock (King Crimson, VDGG, Soft Machine... do Can count as rock?) I can concur with Graeme that there was plenty of bore rock around in the 70's. There's also a lot of boring music around today. The easy thing is that hopefully with hindsight and history we can discern what was good from the 70's and what was terrible (all down to taste in the end). Why anyone would want to listen to ANY boring music confuses me too? It doesn't have to be from the 70's. I'm sure that Graeme is just being his usual reactionary self and playing devil's advocate with his tongue firmly in his cheek. To be honest he's giving too much brain power getting himself worked up of The Wall. Waste of energy and time. Having said all that I've just rocked out on King Crimson 'Live in Mainz' 1973. Awesome performance. At the end of the day it's all about discovery. Discovery for one self about one one likes. Over and out ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 06:25:09 -0500 From: "david mack" Subject: [idealcopy] Re:(the) wire graeme - the wire accusations must just be coincidental speaking of that rag - i am increasingly dissappointed this month they discovered 'fire music' someone must have picked up the impulse sampler of that name, called the only black person they know in new york and cobbed together a "primmer" as they say but i guess there was no fire in chicago, cause they missed aacm in the past, present and future in favor of the nyc uptown scene that and wasting a full page telling us that amnesiac is unremarkable so - don't remark - ignore the unremarkable i find a lot of unremarkable stuff in the wire lately oh well -- there is a nice little fanzine statesid calle 'sound collector' they do alot of indepth interviews with indie nobodies and a few key players from time to time all written by unabashed fans kinda reminds me of my favorite publication of all time, Creem (back in 'da day) by the way , viewing the 'disco sucks' movement, especially it's apex (and nadir) at comiskey park as an anti-gay movement totally ignores the racist over(not under)tones of said movment comiskey park exists in chicago's southside, then (and only to a slightly lesser degree now) one of america's most racially marginalized areas the ballpark sits to the south of bridgeport which was king richard the first's castle. seperated by 10 lanes of expressway are rows of Chicago Housing Authority projects. context is everything dmc (anxiously awaiting picking up his Michael O'Shea and seeing nobukazu takemura with fred anderson (and , oh yea , tortoise) tonite) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 07:27:59 -0500 From: "wiremailorder.com" Subject: [idealcopy] IBM - Bruce + Pan Sonic Down to two (2) copies of this ... also running low on Swim items. charles shop@wiremailorder.com http://www.wiremailorder.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 07:28:00 -0500 From: "wiremailorder.com" Subject: [idealcopy] Prague Rock I would imagine that DSOM (Dark Side Of the Moon) is one of the biggest selling albums ever brought up on this list; not that that makes it good, but again, if all you can find tolerable is a few seconds in that you should seriously re-evaluate your musical tastes. I am continually intrigued by records that caught the public's ear (and wallet). Far too much "I'm so cool I only listen to ..." on this list. Insert Needle. Deflate. charles www.progressiverock.com NP: Jethro Tull - A Passion Play ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:51:57 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] UvD of course, lest i completely blow my coolness quotient, i should note that i first learned of the 12" version (already owned the 7") when it was played between sets at spk's show at a phoenix club run by the former vocalist for human hands, back in maybe '83 ... *ahem* dan >Thanks Dan >Glad to hear from you again :) >> i think the line is at least 20 years old, & probably quite a bit older >> (maybe from james brown?) ... i'm pretty sure the evasions quote it in >their >> hilarious "wikka wrap" from around '83, but it's sunday a.m. & i just woke >> up & i'm not dragging out the 12" to play just now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:57:38 +0100 From: "they.wait" Subject: [idealcopy] aiffs wavs mp3s wanted email me your sounds come on you guys pull your fingers out! Jez ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:59:24 +0200 From: "Vandenberghe, Patrick" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] UvD which line ? i'm a bit of a james brown expert... maybe i can help dan bailey schreef: > of course, lest i completely blow my coolness quotient, i should note that i > first learned of the 12" version (already owned the 7") when it was played > between sets at spk's show at a phoenix club run by the former vocalist for > human hands, back in maybe '83 ... *ahem* > > dan > > >Thanks Dan > >Glad to hear from you again :) > >> i think the line is at least 20 years old, & probably quite a bit older > >> (maybe from james brown?) ... i'm pretty sure the evasions quote it in > >their > >> hilarious "wikka wrap" from around '83, but it's sunday a.m. & i just > woke > >> up & i'm not dragging out the 12" to play just now. - -- Patrick Vandenberghe, adjunct van de informatieambtenaar Vlaamse overheid : ministerie van de Vlaamse Gemeenschap Boudewijnlaan 30 (kamer 6c61) B-1000 Brussel (Belgik) t : +322/02 553 56 24 = doorkiesnummer 0800 30201 [of int +322 553 50 70] = Vlaamse Infolijn (`lle vragen) f : +322/02 553 56 37 e : patrick.vandenberghe@coo.vlaanderen.be infolijn@vlaanderen.be i : http://www.vlaanderen.be/infolijn/ http://www.flanders.be/public/authority/contact_us/index.asp ... . . . . . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:09:53 EDT From: Hatsephsut@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #188 In a message dated 6/19/01 3:41:32 AM Central Daylight Time, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: << strong-armed by their girlfriends >into dancing next to mustachioed clones, and continually 'castrated' by >nightly choruses of 'I'm Every Woman' and 'Knights in White Satin' - >> I don't remember a disco version of Knights In White Satin - are they talking about the Moody Blues being a disco band? I've got news for somebody, if anything guys used it in their arsenal of make out music - somebody's time line is way out whack here if there wasn't a disco version of it - I remember being poked in the belly to that song at dances long before disco was a glimmer in somebody's eye - I guess there's something to be said for stupid boring pretentiously long moody songs after all :-) besides, it had all the "masculine" elements - what's more masculine than images of knights, and all that connotates in terms of courage, strength, fighting, chivalry, sacrifice, martyrdom - knights in whate satin, never reaching the end, letters I've written, never meaning to send, and I love you - - now if that isn't a sappily romantic, martyr filled, sacrifice and strength filled, comparing his love for her to a quest his honor won't allow him to pursue and/or a bit of Don Quixote tilting at windmills thrown in statement, I don't know what is Laurel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:16:26 +0200 From: "Vandenberghe, Patrick" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #188 the original is obviously by the Moodies, and lushly stringed indeed, but there's a discoid version of Knights in White Satin by Giorgio (Moroder), as well, ca. 1978 ; it's also on a soundtrack I think, perhaps of the "Foxes" movie, which Moroder did cheers (pv) @ http://www.dma.be/p/ultra e-mail please to ultra@yucom.be Hatsephsut@aol.com schreef: > In a message dated 6/19/01 3:41:32 AM Central Daylight Time, > owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: > > << strong-armed by their girlfriends > >into dancing next to mustachioed clones, and continually 'castrated' by > >nightly choruses of 'I'm Every Woman' and 'Knights in White Satin' - >> > > I don't remember a disco version of Knights In White Satin - are they talking > about the Moody Blues being a disco band? I've got news for somebody, if > anything guys used it in their arsenal of make out music - somebody's time > line is way out whack here if there wasn't a disco version of it - I remember > being poked in the belly to that song at dances long before disco was a > glimmer in somebody's eye - I guess there's something to be said for stupid > boring pretentiously long moody songs after all :-) > > besides, it had all the "masculine" elements - what's more masculine than > images of knights, and all that connotates in terms of courage, strength, > fighting, chivalry, sacrifice, martyrdom - knights in whate satin, never > reaching the end, letters I've written, never meaning to send, and I love you > - now if that isn't a sappily romantic, martyr filled, sacrifice and strength > filled, comparing his love for her to a quest his honor won't allow him to > pursue and/or a bit of Don Quixote tilting at windmills thrown in statement, > I don't know what is > > Laurel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:55:19 +0200 From: "Vandenberghe, Patrick" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: pull your fingers out ?? why ?? "they.wait" schreef: > email me your sounds > > come on you guys pull your fingers out! > > Jez [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type audio/wav which had a name of M1AL6M7F.WAV] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type audio/wav which had a name of BlueMonday.wav] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:40:09 EDT From: Hatsephsut@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #188 In a message dated 6/19/01 9:17:08 AM Central Daylight Time, patrick.vandenberghe@coo.vlaanderen.be writes: << the original is obviously by the Moodies, and lushly stringed indeed, but there's a discoid version of Knights in White Satin by Giorgio (Moroder), as well, ca. 1978 ; it's also on a soundtrack I think, perhaps of the "Foxes" movie, which Moroder did >> Ah, thank you - I never was into disco at the time, would not have known that - - in recent years I've come to appreciate "dance" music - I still can't abide hours and hours of it, but I do like it - really my major problem is hours and hours of pounding repetitious drum machine with one line of lyric per endless song that gets sung over and over off and on to different drum machine tempos - other than that, I can bop along with the best of them now without jumping out of my skin - one of my major faux pas in life is the night I drank too many Southern Comforts and was subjected to dance music for what was it Dan, like 4 hours? after a Buzzcocks show and I turned to Pete Shelley and said, "isn't this music driving you nuts?" - I'll never forget the look in his eyes, and the smirk on his face - luckily he already knew what an idiot I can be, so it was not a total shock to him, just another confirmation of my idiocy Laurel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:59:05 EDT From: Hatsephsut@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #187 In a message dated 6/18/01 3:39:30 AM Central Daylight Time, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: << i think the line is at least 20 years old, & probably quite a bit older (maybe from james brown?) . dan >> Sounds familiar Dan - and I'm working off digests on which I'm very much behind, so bear with me - but I'm also guessing the concept goes even farther back - don't have my Tao in front of me, but it sounds very Tao - don't know good unless you know evil, light unless you know dark, blah blah - sounds like it would fit in there somewhere - and it wouldn't surprise me if Lao Tzu plagiarized it from some other philosophysizing type guy either - and there is def something in/about depression era music that's striking a chord, some lament from the 30s maybe with that theme to it Laurel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:27:21 EDT From: Hatsephsut@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #188 In a message dated 6/19/01 3:41:32 AM Central Daylight Time, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: << geez ... & here i thought i just liked shame shame shame, rock the boat, rock your baby, le freak, ad nearly infinitum better than anything rick wakefield ad nauseum ever did -- now i've got an intellectual underpinning for said preference! dan >> I can't find the one I think I saw so I'll go with this one - but I think I'd agree with Mark about Disco's roots, and I'd agree with whoever said it was as much a rebellion against the whole hair ego Spinal Tap thing going on as punk was - as to the gay liberation angel, was I in the ozone in 78/79, or am I right in thinking the gay lib thing hit the forefront in the mid/later 80s when disco had run it's course in the mainstream? - I know a lot of people were "coming out" so to speak, and there was a whole lot of shock value in it at the time, but I don't remember it being a political issue until much later - - John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever was the embodiment of disco and his character was anything BUT gay - in fact it could be said that character was the epitomy of male chauvanistic pigism - and having been in Chicago at the time of Steve Dahl's major Sox's Park mishap, I don't remember it having any connotation other than sensationalism and Dahl publicity - of course there may have been undercurrents in the general public, but it certainly was not a rally against gay rights from what I remember - of course, I'm not thinking clearly due to what's going on with my mom, I'm exhausted and generally not with it, and may be seeing things not quite right right now, so Dan, trusting your judgement as I do, am I totally off the wall here or am I somewhere in the ballpark? Laurel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:27:15 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Sex & The Moody Blues... laurel wrote :- I remember being poked in the belly to that song at dances long before disco was a glimmer in somebody's eye... sorry to be blunt here laurel, but when you say 'poked'... you DO mean with a penis at attention, right? i just want to be clear on this er,...point! regards, ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:53:46 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - playlists In a message dated 10/06/01 23:42:35 GMT Daylight Time, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: > Scritti Politti - 4 A-Sides/Asylums In Jerusalem 12" > /////they were allegedly going to re-release the first scritti album with the early RT singles tacked on the end ; did that happen? a mate of mine used to play the one that went "13 nations and they're all producing oil......." incessantly back then and i've always wanted a copy. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:32:47 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - early Scritti paul, Mr. Pedantic says 'actually it's 14 countries...', the song in question is 'OPEC-Immac.' from the 7" of the 1979 Peel Session (RT 034). 4 tracks, the others are, 'Scritlocks Door', 'Messthetics', and 'Hegemony'. both this and '4 A-Sides' are absolute (!) treasures (found them both by accident, separately, years apart, very cheaply at local 2nd-hand vinyl emporiums). now all i need to find is 'Skank Bloc Bologna' and i can die a happy man!! don't know if they've been re-released, i'll get on to Rough Trade and see what the score is, but they really should have been by now shouldn't they? cheers, ian.s.j. paul wrote :- >/////they were allegedly going to re-release the first scritti album with >the early RT singles tacked on the end ; did that happen? a mate of mine >used to play the one that went "13 nations and they're all producing >oil......." incessantly back then and i've always wanted a copy. p _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:47:29 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wir & PiL great to see KL still claiming complete credit for everything , hadn't realised he was solely responsible for the slits on top of all his other work , bless him. "commercial zone" is good , but not really THAT good. hardly much of a feat to piss all over the dire "this is what you want" effort. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:56:23 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] next to wire nobody seems to be owning up to any westworld or wide boy awake records i notice. aren't they cool any more? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:57:29 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Its a Rip Off! something i'd love to know is actual sales figures of the emi and mute releases? wonder if the band themselves get given that info? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:14:24 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] hmmmm a little help would be nice In a message dated 13/06/01 09:29:11 GMT Daylight Time, HeySean@aol.com writes: > I have, on a compilation tape that is over 20 years of old age, a recording > of a band, lead singer female, that I think is called Vermillion. I think > the title of the song is "I Can't Stop Fucking Around" , at least that is > what is sung as the chorus and it ends with the rejoinder "eat me" . She > sings " a scarlet woman has got no soul, she loves her man until she's got > a > hole, when everything starts looking good, that's when she falls for no > good". /////// wow , there's a blast from the past. the band were also called vermillion , the singer (vermillion sands) used to write for sounds i think. it's a 3-track ep and the track on yr tape is called (oh dear) "nymphomania". i recall some very scathing reviews , the lead track was better ("angry young women"). that was a big fave in my 5th year at school. they did a second single as vermillion and the aces , a crappy pub rock a-side and a good b-side "wild boys ride their bikes". vermillion had a pretty limited range of lyrical concerns in her "texts" . p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:57:08 -0700 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - early Scritti I've got all the early scritti stuff. Is a tape any good to you? Uri - -----Original Message----- From: ian jackson To: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 1:41 PM Subject: [idealcopy] OT - early Scritti >paul, >Mr. Pedantic says 'actually it's 14 countries...', >the song in question is 'OPEC-Immac.' from the 7" >of the 1979 Peel Session (RT 034). 4 tracks, the others are, >'Scritlocks Door', 'Messthetics', and 'Hegemony'. >both this and '4 A-Sides' are absolute (!) treasures >(found them both by accident, separately, years apart, >very cheaply at local 2nd-hand vinyl emporiums). >now all i need to find is 'Skank Bloc Bologna' >and i can die a happy man!! >don't know if they've been re-released, i'll get on to >Rough Trade and see what the score is, but they really >should have been by now shouldn't they? > >cheers, ian.s.j. > > >paul wrote :- >>/////they were allegedly going to re-release the first scritti album with >>the early RT singles tacked on the end ; did that happen? a mate of mine >>used to play the one that went "13 nations and they're all producing >>oil......." incessantly back then and i've always wanted a copy. p >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:09:09 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Colin and New Eno CD Among those thanked on Eno's "Drawn From Life" is Colin Newman. I have no idea what he did ... he didn't play, sing, write, produce, etc. One track (Like Pictures Part 1) reminds me a bit of mid-80s Gilbert; a few moments sound like recent Lewis. Not a recommendation, just an observation. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:03:42 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] next to wire well, i have wba's chicken outlaw/slang teacher 12", but of course i don't shelve my 12"s with my albums. dan >nobody seems to be owning up to any westworld or wide boy awake records i >notice. aren't they cool any more? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:04:44 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #188 as Pete Shelley sang "...and I hate modern music...disco, boogie, and pop...they go on and on and on and on...how I wish they would stop!" Then he came out with Homosapien and I wanted him to stop! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:09:27 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:(the) wire >oh well -- there is a nice little fanzine statesid calle 'sound collector' >they do alot of indepth interviews with indie nobodies and a few key players >from time to time >all written by unabashed fans >kinda reminds me of my favorite publication of all time, Creem (back in 'da >day) & would "back in da day" be circa '78-'81? i've got boxes of those out back ... even used to have a boy howdy! t-shirt. i still remember a simon frith "letter from britain" column comparing the "coldness" of wire's heartbeat with that at the center of the cars' debut lp, & possibly with something else -- the banshees' join hands? -- as well. dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:17:38 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Phill Niblock Last month Phill Niblock played an incredible set in Chicago. He literally played ... just sat at the mixing board while local musicians took turns droning over his tapes. The only Wire connection here is that those of you who are interested in Graham and Bruce's more "Zen" influened material (for lack of a better term)--say Oscid, This way, Shiv. Man, etc. shouldn't miss him if you get a chance. Absolutely spellbinding. I'll just add for those who don't know and may be curious: Niblock is one of the original minimalists, but he recorded very little, and therefore never got placed w/ Glass, Young, Riely, and Riech (he's their age and has been around as long). But his concerts have been a major influence on Glenn Branca, among others. OK, OK. Back to the prog vs. Disco debate. :) Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:11:09 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - early Scritti it would be to *me*. i've been looking for early scrits for ages ... skank bloc bologna on wanna buy a bridge is all i have to go by. rather different from the perfect way, i daresay. dan >I've got all the early scritti stuff. Is a tape any good to you? > > Uri >-----Original Message----- >From: ian jackson >To: PaulRabjohn@aol.com >Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org >Date: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 1:41 PM >Subject: [idealcopy] OT - early Scritti > > >>paul, >>Mr. Pedantic says 'actually it's 14 countries...', >>the song in question is 'OPEC-Immac.' from the 7" >>of the 1979 Peel Session (RT 034). 4 tracks, the others are, >>'Scritlocks Door', 'Messthetics', and 'Hegemony'. >>both this and '4 A-Sides' are absolute (!) treasures >>(found them both by accident, separately, years apart, >>very cheaply at local 2nd-hand vinyl emporiums). >>now all i need to find is 'Skank Bloc Bologna' >>and i can die a happy man!! >>don't know if they've been re-released, i'll get on to >>Rough Trade and see what the score is, but they really >>should have been by now shouldn't they? >> >>cheers, ian.s.j. >> >> >>paul wrote :- >>>/////they were allegedly going to re-release the first scritti album with >>>the early RT singles tacked on the end ; did that happen? a mate of mine >>>used to play the one that went "13 nations and they're all producing >>>oil......." incessantly back then and i've always wanted a copy. p >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 01:16:50 +0100 From: "they.wait" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: > pull your fingers out ?? why ?? 1. is an english expression meaning I posted a request for text sounds etc over a week ago and got nothing! 2. i want to get on with a project which was started months ago on this list, and then died 'cos no-one would thanks for sounds. they wait ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:42:32 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Lobe you can imagine my extreme shock seeing an original copy of the first lobe disc in a used cd bin in boston for $8.....i always had meant to get it off swim, even if it was only a cdr, but im so happy i found an original. so, was it anyone here who sold it? that would be pretty funny...i also saw a copy of the whore compilation a while back in the used bins too. ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:34:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #188 On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 Lock Up Your Hatsephsut@aol.com wrote: > I can't find the one I think I saw so I'll go with this one - but I think I'd > agree with Mark about Disco's roots, and I'd agree with whoever said it was > as much a rebellion against the whole hair ego Spinal Tap thing going on as > punk was - as to the gay liberation angel, was I in the ozone in 78/79, or am > I right in thinking the gay lib thing hit the forefront in the mid/later 80s > when disco had run it's course in the mainstream? - I know a lot of people > were "coming out" so to speak, and there was a whole lot of shock value in it > at the time, but I don't remember it being a political issue until much later > - John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever was the embodiment of disco and his > character was anything BUT gay - in fact it could be said that character was > the epitomy of male chauvanistic pigism - and having been in Chicago at the > time of Steve Dahl's major Sox's Park mishap, I don't remember it having any > connotation other than sensationalism and Dahl publicity - of course there > may have been undercurrents in the general public, but it certainly was not a > rally against gay rights from what I remember - of course, I'm not thinking > clearly due to what's going on with my mom, I'm exhausted and generally not > with it, and may be seeing things not quite right right now, so Dan, trusting > your judgement as I do, am I totally off the wall here or am I somewhere in > the ballpark? Well, disco certainly originated among gay, black, and Latino subcultures - - but in its journey into popularity, it (as so many other trends) got whitened and straightened - thus Travolta, Bee Gees, etc. I'm not so sure that anti-disco was that prominently anti-gay - I don't think that many middle American rockers really knew it had gay associations. It may well have been anti-black - I know once a friend of mine and I were listening to, like, some dub reggae or something (this was 1980 or so), and some idiot yelled for us to "turn that goddamned disco off." If all he knew or could hear was that it was black music, and in his mind that meant "disco," then I suppose you could imagine he might have had racist views...but most people I knew at the time (high school, suburban white middle-class America) who hated disco hated it because it wasn't Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Who, or Lynyrd Skynyrd. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ np: the far-too-loud hum of my elderly Mac's hard drive... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 01:25:02 -0500 From: "Heather ." Subject: [idealcopy] Succinct intro Greetings and salutations, I'm a new member, so here's my brief introduction. My name is Heather and I'm an American college student currently residing in the South. Technically I first heard Wire when I was around 14-15, on the Rhino's DIY "Modern World" punk compilation. I liked "I am the Fly" a lot, but what really started my Wire fandom was when a saw a snippet of "Ahead" on a Canadian documentary. Obviously, I love Wire, and I am slowly starting to hear some of the solo and non-Wire stuff, though hopefully in the near future will come across more of it(you can imagine how available most of that stuff is over here in the US, especially if you don't live in a metropolitan area). By the way, I noticed some Wide Boy Awake discussion, and "Chicken Outlaw" is one of my favorite songs! I look forward to the various discussion and hope that I can contribute something interesting too. Truly, Heather >From: "dan bailey" >To: >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] next to wire >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:03:42 -0500 > >well, i have wba's chicken outlaw/slang teacher 12", but of course i don't >shelve my 12"s with my albums. > >dan > > > >nobody seems to be owning up to any westworld or wide boy awake records i > >notice. aren't they cool any more? p _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 01:25:13 -0500 From: "Heather ." Subject: [idealcopy] Succinct intro Greetings and salutations, I'm a new member, so here's my brief introduction. My name is Heather and I'm an American college student currently residing in the South. Technically I first heard Wire when I was around 14-15, on the Rhino's DIY "Modern World" punk compilation. I liked "I am the Fly" a lot, but what really started my Wire fandom was when a saw a snippet of "Ahead" on a Canadian documentary. Obviously, I love Wire, and I am slowly starting to hear some of the solo and non-Wire stuff, though hopefully in the near future will come across more of it(you can imagine how available most of that stuff is over here in the US, especially if you don't live in a metropolitan area). By the way, I noticed some Wide Boy Awake discussion, and "Chicken Outlaw" is one of my favorite songs! I look forward to the various discussion and hope that I can contribute something interesting too. Truly, Heather >From: "dan bailey" >To: >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] next to wire >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:03:42 -0500 > >well, i have wba's chicken outlaw/slang teacher 12", but of course i don't >shelve my 12"s with my albums. > >dan > > > >nobody seems to be owning up to any westworld or wide boy awake records i > >notice. aren't they cool any more? p _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:46:39 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Colin and New Eno CD Can you elaborate more about this new album? Is it a songs albums or a soundscapes album? What does it sound like? Who else plays on it? Is it worth buying? giluz > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Michael Flaherty > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 12:09 AM > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: [idealcopy] Colin and New Eno CD > > > Among those thanked on Eno's "Drawn From Life" is Colin Newman. I have no > idea what he did ... he didn't play, sing, write, produce, etc. > > One track (Like Pictures Part 1) reminds me a bit of mid-80s > Gilbert; a few > moments sound like recent Lewis. Not a recommendation, just an > observation. > > Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #189 *******************************