From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #179 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, June 10 2001 Volume 04 : Number 179 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] 0T-Later ["Andrew Lumbard" ] Re: [idealcopy] Ill conceived venue [John Roberts ] [idealcopy] OT - futures and pasts... ["ian jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Mould's Fourth Rev [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Mercury Rev/Flaming Lips [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT - Scars [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: Graemes Radiohead Rant [Tim Robinson Subject: RE: [idealcopy] 0T-Later >>Alistair Tear wrote: >> Later with Radiohead >> Jools Holland introduces a >> performance by the band >> featuring hits from the album >> OK Computer, as well as new >> material from eagerly awaited >> new release 'Amnesiac' >> >> Friday 9th June BBC2 10.30-11.30 >> >> A With apologies for pedantry - Make that 'Saturday' 9th AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 04:29:27 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ill conceived venue I don't know about ill conceived but the strangest venue I've ever heard of was the Membranes playing in a car park somewhere. Ill conceived: I once saw Half Man Half Biscuit play at Redditch Utd's ground. Not on the pitch mind but in the club bar. Seemed a good idea on paper but a P.A. the size of a biscuit tin meant a poor result. Volcano the Bear in a chapel? No P.A. at all and they resorted to tubes of card rolled up to project voices. And of course, Radiohead anywhere. Ducks for cover. John - --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Andrew, > > << Two (or three)that sprung to mind were Spandau > Ballet playing on HMS > Belfast > (and Birmingham Botanical Gardens) >> > > Botanical Gardens was a great venue - I didn't see > the Spandau Ballet gig > there, as there was something better on that night - > probably the > Nightingales at the Fighting Cocks;-) - but I did > see interesting > post-punkers turned new romantic funksters Fashion > there. Played outdoors on > a nice summer's evening. Band were too slick by then > (original line-up was > decent) but the ambience was most agreeable! > > Mark Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 08:31:36 -0500 From: "wiremailorder.com" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Boring Radiohead Fuck Off How does one even hear this album? IOW, why would one put the effort into hearing it or subject oneself for that matter? I use the "off" switch... c ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 15:35:14 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Timing and Skill Related ~swim question - has anyone collected the entire ~swim catalogue (or at least all the CD's) ? Are there any real 'dogs' in there? Or are they all worth a listen? Buy the Swim Team 1 sampler it's only a fiver! I pretty much agree with Paul Rabjohn's summation of the best of Swim, and I have about 15 Cd's on the label. My favourites are 1= Immersion - Low Impact 1= Oscillating by Immersion 1= Colin Newman - Bastard 1= Silo - Alloy 5. Symptoms 6. Silo - Instar 7. Pablo's Eye - All She Wants Grows Blue 8. Lobe - Hibernation 9. Malka Spigel - Rosh Ballata 10. Malka Spigel - My Pet Fish 11. dol-lop - Cryptic Audio Rag But that's only from the ones I've heard mind... The Immersion discs are utterly essential. I prefer the music on My Pet Fish to that on Rosh Ballata overall, but Malka's voice is so much better when she sings in Hebrew. I hated the vocals on Oracle. Liked the Ronnie & Clyde track on Swim Team but found the ones on Water Communication quite bland. Any pointers as to which of these tracks are most similar to the albums? I also like the g-man tracks on WC but have never got round to hearing anything else. The only stinker was the Legion of Green Men CD which was very boring dated trance bollocks. However the sleeve is nice enough to warrant the 2 quid it cost me. Colin was mixing the next Symptoms Cd a while back, so I guess the follow up to the superb debut is imminent? Further to comments made a while back, Colin certainly does NOT consider Swim to be an IDM label. He is utterly contemptuous of this term and 'electronica'. Also recommended is the Spigel/Newman live CD-R which Wire fans ought to get for the surprise encore of Outdoor Miner (Malka's backing vocals on this really make it something special). Hey, its all better than bloody Radiohead of course! Anyone want to swap a LOGM CD for something they find too hard going? Tapes of boilers? Flying Dogs being strangled? My favourite bathtime gurgles? I'm just waiting for that Bumpy single... Lock up your hats! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 15:36:39 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Mould's Fourth Rev Bursacrap? >>>>Of Bob's four solo albums, only the first one is any good, but he only played about 2 songs off that. Black Sheets of Rain is pretty good - much better than Radiohead, Wings, Win, Weather Prophets, Stone Roses, Purple Hearts, Teenage Fanclub, Fashion, Dee Boowee, etc, etc. Workbook Black Sheets of Rain The Last Dog and Pony Show (got a cheap promo sampler for that one which was very boring) What was the other one? I much prefered Grant Hart's Intolerance to Workbook, which sounded too MOR. Black Sheets of Rain & the b-side All Those People Know were Mould's best solo songs. Grant Hart was really cool to interview as well whereas Mould was decidedly evasive, and have you ever noticed how Hart always sings in tune in Husker Du whereas Mould is all over the place? Mould played Sugar's Man in the Moon at the end of the Manc gig. Sugar were good live (mostly because they cranked everything up so loud you couldn't hear how off key Bob was). Tim is right, he was very boring in Manchester. Actually Mercury Rev weren't too hot either, especially compared to a wired helium inhaling performance in Boces time. I thought Deserters Songs was critically over-rated compared to the other 3 vastly superior MR albums! Still in the context of the eNMEy it must've seemed like a diamond in a sea of slurry. They were also way better supporting someone else in the same venue (it might've been Pavement or vastly over-rated heroin placebos Spiritualised?) when the original line up w/flutist minus David Baker were still together. Now its just the 2 guitarists plus session men isn't it? Boces is their definitive album I think. Lock up your hats! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 07:59:28 -0400 From: "Eric Scott" Subject: [idealcopy] Swim~cat-recomm. Hi Everyone, my 2 cents...and sorry if I appear to be a bit late...been OOT for a while... IMHO, Swim~ has been quite genuinely "on the money" since the first release (Malka's Rosh Ballata) and has only dipped slightly once (Plastic Venus, also IMHO -- its just a matter of taste really)...The compilations don't feel like surplus, but are rather an incredible way to pick up perspective on what an incredible family of artists have gravitated around Mr & Mrs Newman's label. Personal favorites, as always, still include: Lobe Ronnie & Clyde Silo Symptoms dol-lop and let's never forget: C & M (solo-joint)/Oracle/Immersion/Spigel-Newman-Colin-Malka/Bumpy! I am, by the way, talking in the hundreds of listens for each of these artists above apiece now...the others, ie Pablos Eye, g-man, Cusp, LOGM, Wallstar, we are talking around 10-50 listens apiece, which is really still not bad...!! (My other CDs are envious, and rising to rebellion) A friend once asked me what the true appeal of Swim~ was as a label -- I told him it's the only label I can claim perfect alignment to in my listening tastes on any given day... it continues to improve with age, and there's definitely a disc in there for every mood worth exploring. Recommended starting points: Swim Team #1, (if unsure) and let's not forget that gem, "Bastard"... that's all from me...but please nobody just take my word for it. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 17:31:17 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Red House Painters? mmmm..just got their eponymous album. (Strokes chin and thinks). Mark Eitzel/American Music Club, The Bathers, Blue Nile. I'd go see them. AndyL >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On >> Behalf Of Syarzhuk Kazachenka >> Sent: 08 June 2001 15:26 >> To: idealcopy@smoe.org >> Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Red House Painters? >> >> >> Red House Painters are playing in Boston this month. I heard the >> name but >> never heard the music before. What are they like? >> >> Syarzhuk >> >> Be healthy, stay wealthy... >> >> Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 17:34:58 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Most dangerous place to drive in the Biosphere? Well, I guess those who think Radiohead are innovative might mistake the middle of the road for the most dangerous place to drive. I prefer to crash the car and blow it up for nice sound effects and record them to mix down and 'reinvent' later. Don't worry Yorkie boy will hear about it all in 7 years time and big it up to MojoQstadium massive! Then I continue the journey on foot. That way I don't miss all the interesting sights. Ever tried riding a motorbike through a minefield? Something more interesting than Radiohead: I doubt if anyone remembers, but a few weeks back I was quite dismissive about Biosphere. I've now given the Substrata 2 double CD reissue a proper listen and its actually rather good, if nothing earth shatteringly ground breaking. However what might be of interest is the second CD, soundtrack to 'Man with a movie camera' on which there are echoes and shades of Immersion, and elsewhere Gilbert & Lewis. So if you like Low Impact, 8 Time and The Shivering Man, this might be worth hearing, although if vast ambient vistas are a turn off, then avoid. http://www.touch.demon.co.uk/substrata.html Proceed with caution... Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 12:28:14 -0500 From: "david mack" Subject: [idealcopy] pacific/specific last chance this item is still listed at : http://www.xmission.com/~ear/ and a heck of a nice guy there too as to michael o'shea - i concur that this is a highnote release for wmo's swansong kudo's to all - and god bless ta michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 10:30:30 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mould's Fourth Rev - --- Graeme Rowland wrote: > Bursacrap? > >>>>Of Bob's four solo albums, only the first one is > any good, but he only played about 2 songs off that. > > Black Sheets of Rain is pretty good - much better > than > Radiohead, Wings, Win, Weather Prophets, Stone > Roses, > Purple Hearts, Teenage Fanclub, Fashion, Dee Boowee, > etc, etc. Agreed. The first one is the best album along with the one you miss out here... > Workbook > Black Sheets of Rain > The Last Dog and Pony Show > (got a cheap promo sampler for that one which was > very > boring) > > What was the other one? It was just called Bob Mould and is generally known as the Hubcap album. (It's got a hubcap on the cover.) > > I much prefered Grant Hart's Intolerance to > Workbook, > which sounded too MOR. Black Sheets of Rain & the > b-side All Those People Know were Mould's best solo > songs. Grant Hart was really cool to interview as > well > whereas Mould was decidedly evasive, and have you > ever > noticed how Hart always sings in tune in Husker Du > whereas Mould is all over the place? > Yup, I liked Intolerance too. Pity all Hart's stuff since hasn't been up to much. Nova Mob's concept album for example. > Mould played Sugar's Man in the Moon at the end of > the > Manc gig. Sugar were good live (mostly because they > cranked everything up so loud you couldn't hear how > off key Bob was). For my sins I only saw Sugar on their last tour and they were pretty tame. Mind you it was at DMU in Leicester and the date had been rescheduled amid much confusion and was played before the students were back at the university! > Tim is right, he was very boring in Manchester. I saw him in Wolverhampton and he was ok. Nothing on Husker Du who I saw twice - once at the Charlotte in Leicester circa C A Grey (awesome) and once at Glastonbury 87 (less so). > Actually Mercury Rev weren't too hot either, > especially compared to a wired helium inhaling > performance in Boces time. I thought Deserters Songs > was critically over-rated compared to the other 3 > vastly superior MR albums! Still in the context of > the > eNMEy it must've seemed like a diamond in a sea of > slurry. > > They were also way better supporting someone else in > the same venue (it might've been Pavement or vastly > over-rated heroin placebos Spiritualised?) when the > original line up w/flutist minus David Baker were > still together. > Would have been Spiritualised. This billing played at DMU too. I really liked Deserters Songs - perhaps the only critics' rave of late that I've bought - but then I'm not familiar with the preceeding albums. Should I be? John Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 22:18:31 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Mercury Rev/Flaming Lips John Roberts wrote :-> >I'm not familiar with the preceeding albums. Should I be? i think so john. although 'Yerself Is Steam' is regarded generally as a classic lp, having listened back to it recently it's certainly good but not great. worth it for the track 'Syringe Mouth' alone, but i think you'd like all of it. 'Boces', i haven't heard for a long time, but i remember it being slightly more 'pop' (or maybe just less dense)than 'Y.I.S.', probably a more 'whole' lp. i think i'm right in saying that both the singles 'Bronx Cheer' and 'Something For Joey' are from this lp, they are both fantastic songs, 'Bronx Cheer' is positively life-affirming. i'm with Mr. Rowland on the point that 'Deserter's Songs' was hyped-up and certainly less substantial than the other two i mention. on a related point, if you're not familiar with their co-touring friends, the Flaming Lips, then you should check them out a.s.a.p. a 'better' band IMO, than MR, all the lp's are quality, but i'd recommend 'In A Priest Driven Ambulance', 'The Satellite Heart', and 'Clouds Taste Metallic' as well as the lp that actually deserved to be hyped-up to fuck,'The Soft Bulletin', a modern psychedelic harmony-fest. ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 16:45:12 CST6CDT From: mflaher3@triton.cc.il.us Subject: [idealcopy] WMO #3 > Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 13:08:02 -0500 > From: "wiremailorder.com" > Subject: [idealcopy] WMO 3CD - OOP > > Lewis/Gilbert & Mills has sold out and is out of print and unavailable from > the website. Thanks to all of you who have purchased this CD. You're welcome! And while I'm sure this release wasn't your "fastest" seller, the fact that you've sold all your copies is reassurring to me in some odd way. Michael Flaherty - ------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Triton College's Web E-Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:26:32 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Scars john hedges wrote :- Don't forget to include the Scars' "Your Attention Please" as a bonus track! wahey!!! 'Author! Author!' another great pop lp lost in the sands of time, thanks for reminding me john. ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:23:39 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - futures and pasts... Mark wrote :- The reverse of this is the magazines that hailed albums that were obvious turkeys as "albums of the year" (eg Blur's Great Escape, Oasis's Be Here Now - hello Q Magazine!). a mate of mine always used to quote the fact that the 1st PIL lp got a one-star review when it came out. of course, we both regarded it as a great lp, and still do, although a few (or just one?) on this list would disagree!! my advice is to listen to 'Low Life' from the lp and think again!!!! ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:25:32 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - the weather in Nebraska... jeff wrote :- news flash: if a band puts out music you don't like, they're not doing it to irk you personally - nor does their doing so realistically get in the way of other people putting out music you do like. So what's the resentment for? Isn't it pretty damned near inevitable that someone's going to put out music you don't like - and that some of those acts are going to be critically or commercially successful or both? It's more pointless than complaining about the weather - it's more like complaining about the weather in Nebraska when you're in Belgium. hear, hear. i like a bit of negative energy now and then, but sometimes.... once is enough. ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 19:47:02 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Scars Ian, << Don't forget to include the Scars' "Your Attention Please" as a bonus track! wahey!!! 'Author! Author!' another great pop lp lost in the sands of time, thanks for reminding me john. >> Check out the band's attire on the reverse for immense amusement. Just a shame they didn't record it a year earlier, when their sound was much rougher, and the guitar sound could strip paint. The Adultery single is an absolute classic. A band that fell apart after the singer ended up living with Nico in Manchester (during her total wreck of a human being on smack phase). He did well to get out alive. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:59:21 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: OT - Scars mark wrote :- wahey!!! 'Author! Author!' another great pop lp lost in the sands of time, thanks for reminding me john. >> >Check out the band's attire on the reverse for immense amusement. i know...their stylist must have been tripping...and so must the band for that matter. >Just a shame they didn't record it a year earlier, when their sound was >much rougher, and the guitar sound could strip paint. The Adultery single >is an absolute classic. agreed, still got it. it's a pity they didn't carry on in that vein for a bit longer. the lp still holds a special place in my heart though. >A band that fell apart after the singer ended up living with Nico in >Manchester (during her total wreck of a human being on smack phase). He did >well to get out alive. really? this i didn't know. i take it that this was before John Cooper-Clarke lived with her. it also begs the question where is he now?? ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 20:13:44 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mould's Fourth Rev Graeme, >> Black Sheets of Rain is pretty good - much better than Radiohead, Wings, Win, Weather Prophets, Stone Roses, Purple Hearts, Teenage Fanclub, Fashion, Dee Boowee, etc, etc.<< Curious and pointelss comparisons. Good to see the Purple Hearts figure in your consciousness though ;-) BSOR is as dour a record as has ever been released. The title describes the contents with 100% accuracy. Bob Mould does dour spectacularly well (eg Hardly getting over it from Candy Apple Grey) but BSOR is relentlessly grey. Workbook has better tunes and more interesting instrumentation - acoustic guitars, lots of cello. He toured around BSOR time with Tony Maimone out of Pere Ubu on bass and Anton Fier on drums, which was rather good, though not as good as the Du. >> What was the other one? >> Eponymously titled. Came after Sugar split. Quite peppy for a Bob album, though not one I find myself reaching for on a regular basis. There's so much better Bob. >>I much prefered Grant Hart's Intolerance << Good album too. A most underrated songwriter. Recently bought Good news for Modern man (his most recent?? says 1999 on the back...) which is decent if not earth-shattering. >>to Workbook, which sounded too MOR. << MOR???? For fuck's sake! It's a pretty narrow road if that's in the middle. >>Grant Hart was really cool to interview as well whereas Mould was decidedly evasive,<< I guess that depended on the respective states of drug/alcohol/depression problems that both have suffered.... >>and have you ever noticed how Hart always sings in tune in Husker Du whereas Mould is all over the place?<< No. >>Actually Mercury Rev weren't too hot either, especially compared to a wired helium inhaling performance in Boces time. I thought Deserters Songs was critically over-rated compared to the other 3 vastly superior MR albums! Still in the context of the eNMEy it must've seemed like a diamond in a sea of slurry.<< Personally I think there was a big improvement when Jonathan Donahoue took over as vocalist. I don't like David Baker's voice at all. Never heard Yerself is steam, though I'd recommend See you on the other side, which is less lush than Deserter's Songs while having Donahue on vocals. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 20:22:50 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Mercury Rev/Flaming Lips Ian, << although 'Yerself Is Steam' is regarded generally as a classic lp, having listened back to it recently it's certainly good but not great. worth it for the track 'Syringe Mouth' alone, but i think you'd like all of it.<< It's the one I haven't got (see my oher post etc) >> 'Boces', i haven't heard for a long time, but i remember it being slightly more 'pop' (or maybe just less dense)than 'Y.I.S.', probably a more 'whole' lp. i think i'm right in saying that both the singles 'Bronx Cheer' and 'Something For Joey' are from this lp, they are both fantastic songs, 'Bronx Cheer' is positively life-affirming.<< Again, I prefer MR with Jonathan Donahue singing rather than David Baker. Boces is pretty good though. >> i'm with Mr. Rowland on the point that 'Deserter's Songs' was hyped-up and certainly less substantial than the other two i mention.<< I'd recommend See you on the other side (1995), which comes between Boces and Deserters Songs. I really liked Deserter's Songs, regardless of the Hype. It's delightfully played, and the first track is breathtaking. >> on a related point, if you're not familiar with their co-touring friends, the Flaming Lips, then you should check them out a.s.a.p. a 'better' band IMO, than MR, all the lp's are quality, but i'd recommend 'In A Priest Driven Ambulance', 'The Satellite Heart', and 'Clouds Taste Metallic' as well as the lp that actually deserved to be hyped-up to fuck,'The Soft Bulletin', a modern psychedelic harmony-fest. >> Agreed. Jonathan Donahue was in the Flaming Lips for a while, wasn't he. Soft Bulletin is lovely, though I hate the fact that it has the single remixes tacked on to the end! Sort of thing you find on a reissue, not a new album! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 20:32:01 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT - Scars Ian, << The Adultery single >is an absolute classic. agreed, still got it. it's a pity they didn't carry on in that vein for a bit longer. the lp still holds a special place in my heart though.<< Somewhere I have demos and peel sessions in a similar vein (no pun intended!). They still sounded like Adultery live even after the album came out... Once saw them supported by Josef K - now that was a trebly-guitar fest! >A band that fell apart after the singer ended up living with Nico in >Manchester (during her total wreck of a human being on smack phase). He did >well to get out alive. really? this i didn't know. i take it that this was before John Cooper-Clarke lived with her. it also begs the question where is he now?? >> No idea. The band tried to continue without him but I don't think they got very far. Have you ever read 'Songs they never play on the radio', by the ex-keyboard player from Nico's band (name escapes me, and I can't be arsed to go up 2 flights of stairs to check!). Describes the sorry scene atround her in graphic and very accurate detail. Thoroughly recommended, and usually available in bargain bins for not a lot. The names have been changed, though Bobby King is in there! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 02:40:32 +0100 From: Tim Robinson Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Graemes Radiohead Rant Graeme wrote > If I was elected No chance of that, but I'd love to see you in the Big Brother house! > All daytime DJ's would be executed by guillotine and > their heads displayed at branches of HMV which would > then all be exploded with bombs made by Thorn EMI in > an interactive Duchampian installation. Too right. Bring back Kid Jensen, DLT, Simon Bates and Ooh Gary Davies. Graeme wrote (on Autechre's appropriation of Warp/Aphex/Autchre sounds) > They watered it down to gross stadium levels. I quite like the idea of Stadium Electronica! Saw them on the telly tonight and during the Kid A stuff the drummer lost pace completely with the drum machine. he should get some lessons of Dafyd from Super Furry Animals who have been doing this sort of thing for years, with more colourful results. > 'Electronica' is seen to be hip these days God I hope it isn't. and RH > want a piece of the kudos pie. I think he's just looking for ways to shake off the fans who just like the early stuff like Creep. Its only like Wire doing all that mad stuff after 154, but unlike 1980 version of Wire Radiohead have a supportive record company who will fund their every whim. > No, I don't get your drift at all. > What is your point exactly? > You mean they should be ripping off RH???? > Get outta here! He He! Apparently the guys that run Warp records love Radiohead and are really chuffed about Kid A. I'd love to hear Autechre ripping of RH! > BTW nothing off Kid A reminds me of Autechre at all! > Autechre and Aphex Twin are really quite different. Idioteque sounds exactky like a mid 90s Autchre tune, but with added whining. I don't much care for Radiohead but I do like Kid A. Just interesting to hear a fairly mainstream rock act response to electronica, see what they do with it all. I take an interest in these sort of things. My real problem with Radiohead is that get used by the BBC to soundtrack harrowing drama serials......yuck! >>>>> They've made not one but two albums that stretch >>>> > their art into a > number of new areas > > New for you and them perhaps... > But make no mistake the kids have been listening to > Aphex Twin long enough for him to buy a tank to kill > his axe wielding neighbours! Graeme! The 'kids' aren't listening to Aphex Twin!!!!! They are listening to Oxide & Neutrino, DJ Ed Case, Destiny's Child, Crazy Town, Linkin Park, Hearsay, Limp Bizkit etc etc. Maybe Radiohead should do an R&B Speed Garage Sports Metal Album if they want to get the kids vote. > What a lot of rot. > Reinvention is still quite normal. The lists of your > record collection make it seem that maybe you aren't > getting to hear the stuff that does this. Compare them > to Gilles Gobeil, Robert Normandeau, Fennesz, To > Rococo Rot, Windsor For The Derby, Ground Zero, > Matmos, Philip Jeck, Calla, Aix Em Klemm, Thomas > Dimuzio, Kevin Drumm or Coil Actually, I prefer Turnip Conurbation to any of the above. Their 'Jug of Catastrophe' album for example is far superior to anything you like. Have you heard it? Its on Bogus records, and I belive is in a limited edition of none. The whole Radiohead thing is that having once written some memorable tunes they have found themselves in the position of massive stadium rock fame on a par with U2 or whoever. Its intersting to see what they do with this power, and at least they rip off more intersting artists than U2 or Simple minds ever did. Drink from the mainstream once in a while, it'll do you good! > 'The Conversation' by Cabaret Voltaire was very > tedious. I really liked it. Its was the Cabs reminding the electronica people who invented it...cool! Tim Robinson Listening for the first time to NEU 75.....wow! and lovely japanese re-issues of XTCs Black Sea and Drums and Wires and the new Susumu Yokota record...mmmmmm! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #179 *******************************