From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #174 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, June 5 2001 Volume 04 : Number 174 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Completism with a Schism [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] RE: Last word in vinyl replay ["Wilson, Paul" ] [idealcopy] Completism with a schism [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] ACH [Alistair Tear ] [idealcopy] Wire Oop North/One good thing about Radiohead [timrobinson@cw] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Last word in vinyl replay ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] [idealcopy] Re: [OT] Physics 202 ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - bad vinyl [John Roberts ] Re: [idealcopy] OTthen OnTthenOT - bad vinyl/bad audio tape [Paul Pietrom] Re: [idealcopy] Completism with a Schism [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Virus warning [Paul Pietromonaco ] [idealcopy] Amnesiac is the solution? [fernando ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Radiohead [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] next to wire [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 04:55:42 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Completism with a Schism << I got possibly the very last new copy of Gilbert's Madrid remix 12" in the uK recently /////where d'you get it? much good? could you tell us the titles and label ; never seen that sold anywhere. Bruce Gilbert - Nervepath 2x7" (the one thing I'd consider paying silly money for, and yes I would open it of course) ////i'll tape it for you if i ever open mine... Wire - Mancape 12" (but its the worst track on the album so the remix isn't greatly tempting) /////the 5-track cd single is much easier to get hold of , loads on ebay. Graham Lewis - The recent Rune Lindblad track .....WHAT IS IT LIKE? /////very concretey Wir - Slow So it Grow 7" or CDS, never heard the b-side Nice From Here? //////not as good as the album tracks but still well worth having. the 2 remixes on the cds are much better. The worst thing Wir(e) ever did is that Erasure remix, and if you hear that it might well put you off 'completism'. /////i still quite like that i'm afraid...... Just heard last track off new Radiohead album - like a 10th rate watered down Robert Wyatt rip off ie. total shite as usual! Well at least they didn't ask Smashy Pumpky out to play!!! //// anyone else see them on TOTP (!) last friday? so deep , so meaningful , so dull. ooops , forgot you're not supposed to say that :-)p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:58:02 +0100 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Last word in vinyl replay One last comment on vinyl. If you really want the ultimate, then the answer is probably to buy a laser turntable. These don't suffer at all from surface noise (dirt OR scratches) because their isn't a stylus to pick them up with. I can't afford one of these ($70,000 or thereabouts), so I'll make do with my GyroDec. Anyway - the laser turntables I've seen look bloody horrible!!! CD-RW. I use these all the time - they're great for recording John Peel shows and stuff. I record using a Pioneer, then play back the CD-RW on a Pioneer DVD (my Micromega won't read CD-RW)and use the Pioneer CDR to re-record the bits I want. Then erase the CD-RW for next time. CD-RW's are a bit expensive (about #10 each), but you only need a couple. They are also good for doing compilations as you can erase last track - thus it doesn't matter if you cock something up. I copied all my 7" singles onto CD's (purely for convenience - singles are a pain), copying them first onto CD-RW (so that if one jumped, on I missed an ending etc, it didn't mean that I lost a whole CDR). RezMole PS I have two locked groove records - there's no other medium that these can be produced with!!!!! PPS The Residents in London on Saturday! See you there - anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 04:31:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] OT - more DVD vs VHS Paul P wrote: "Actually, I'm guessing that S-VHS will probably be around in the pro field for a little while." The only analogue format really good enough for pro users is Beta SP, which comes in at around 9.0 (uncompressed DV is 10.0; SVHS is around 7.something). SVHS will survive for semi-pros for a short time, but once a recordable and cost-effective DVD solution is available, there will be no point in analogue video. Also, bear in mind that at least four PC manufacturers have followed Apple's lead in bundling Pioneer's "SuperDrive" with their systems. Although not a great solution, it's at least the beginning of recordable DVD for the consumer. "Which encryption is this? Is this the "You have to be region 1 to play this disc" trick (as seen on Charlie's Angels, for example)? Or, is it something new?" It's new. From Play247: Please Note: Regional Coding Enhancement (RCE) has recently been added by Warner and Columbia to certain Region 1 DVDs. RCE will prevent the DVD from playing on some Multi-Region DVD players. If you are in any doubt that your player may not be able to play RCE DVDs, we recommend that you do not order this title, as we are unable to accept returned RCE DVDs. Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 04:34:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Completism with a schism Graeme R wrote: [haven't got] "Wir - Slow So it Grow 7" or CDS, never heard the b-side Nice From Here?" Okayish techno-pop that reminded me of John Foxx. presumably you have heard the LFO remix of Take It, which is on the CD4? That's probably the best Wir(e) (second-period) piece. "The worst thing Wir(e) ever did is that Erasure remix, and if you hear that it might well put you off 'completism'." Maybe. Cool guitar riff though... Would have been nice if they could have dropped the vox :) Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:56:30 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] ACH Chris.Ray said: >I have a friend who wraps speakers and Hi-Fi equipment in cling film. It's a dust thing. er, how does (s)he get the cd tray / tape deck open? or am I being thick ? Paul W said: > Disney's Dinosaur before I got one that would play OK!!! One wouldn't play at all, and the other two kept jumping / stopping / crashing / whatever. I also have a Pokemon DVD It's safe to assume you got kids, I hope... A ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 15:47:29 +0100 From: timrobinson@cwcom.net Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Oop North/One good thing about Radiohead Graeme R wrote: >Howard mentioned his voting inclinations... >The Labour Party - I'd rather kill them all (alright >spare Tony Benn & Alan Simpson) than vote for the >lying bastards (and that goes equal for the Tories) They're all lying bastards, thats their job! Enough politics already, lets not drag the list down that gutter lest Miles get on our case. >Now that licensing has possibly scuppered the Wire gig >I declare WAR on all LAW and all POLITICIANS who would >impose it! Death to control!!!!! Magistrates and Local Authority licensing officials are a law unto themselves. Governments come and go, these people never change. But what really p's me off is why these things always have to be done in London anyway. Why don't they just move the whole event to Manchester and use the seriously groovy Contact Theatre? A perfect venue for such a multimedia shindig! No legal issues...its Licensed to thrill! Come on Blast First,get yer sorry backsides out of East London and get on the M6 up to Oxford Road. Bruce knows the way! >Just heard last track off new Radiohead album - like a >10th rate watered down Robert Wyatt rip off ie. total >shite as usual! Haven't heard this latest slab of mass-produced despair. My best friend describes the new single as the "Musical equivalent of Thom Yorkes face" (make your own mind up what that means!) I'm not a fan, more of an apologist of their latter day work which one hopes may broaden the musical horizons of your average MTV-suckled rock yoof. I've said it before: If some Kid from Basingstoke, in a 'RIP Kurt Cobain' top; digs 'Amenesiac' and goes and checks out Robert Wyatt or Scott Walker instead of Muse or Travis, then Radiohead justify their existence (same with 'Kid A', only subsitute Wyatt/Walker for Aphex/Autechre). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 08:35:06 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Last word in vinyl replay > One last comment on vinyl. If you really want the ultimate, then the answer > is probably to buy a laser turntable. These don't suffer at all from surface > noise (dirt OR scratches) because their isn't a stylus to pick them up with. > > Actually, I'd heard that they are very sensitive to airborne dust. The laser can't distinguish between dust and groove. So, you have to keep your surfaces pretty clean. However, you don't have to worry about the dirt getting ground into the vinyl, or normal record wear. Anybody actually heard one of these beasts? Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 08:50:51 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - more DVD vs VHS > SVHS will survive for semi-pros for a short time, but > once a recordable and cost-effective DVD solution is > available, there will be no point in analogue video. I believe there's a different reason why the pros will keep it around. I think a TV station will need a fairly professional SVHS deck to deal with the camcorder footage sent in from viewers or older sources - you've got to have a time base corrected VCR to broadcast home footage on NTSC. Notice that Panasonic isn't pushing SVHS - they're pushing D5 or DV. But, they have a number of SVHS decks on their roster. I think they'll be floating around for a while yet. Not forever, but for a while, anyway. >> Which encryption is this? Is this the "You have to >> be region 1 to play this disc" trick (as seen on >> Charlie's Angels, for example)? Or, is it >> something new? > > It's new. From Play247: > > Please Note: Regional Coding Enhancement (RCE) has > recently been added by Warner and Columbia to certain > Region 1 DVDs. Oh yeah - this is what I was talking about. Charlies Angels was the first disc to have this. I looked up Charlies Angles on play247.com, and it has this same RCE. This coding is not a problem if you have an APEX DVD player or the like. What it prevents is the setting of your DVD player to region 0, or bypassing the region check entirely. For instance, when I put Charlies Angels into my APEX, the disc said "You must set your player to region 1". So, I set my player to region 1, and it played fine. I set the APEX back to "bypass region checks" when I was done. (You can set the APEX to any region, or turn off the region check.) If your Multi-Region player only has Region 0, bypasses the region check, or toggles between Region 0 and Region 2 (or wherever you live) then you can't play these discs. Otherwise, they're just annoying. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:38:52 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: [OT] Physics 202 > Physics? yuck! ... and who reads "PPS" comments anyway? ;-) > Oh, people like me, I suppose. (^_^) Hey - maybe Miles will appreciate all the list traffic we're generating? (^_^) > > Interesting side note: At one point, Philips was considering > >making the CD format analog - not digital. It would have used an FM > >modulation scheme much like Hi-Fi audio on videotape or the old analog > >tracks on LaserDisc. > > Yeah.. the problem with that is that it is not a good way to store digital > information. In storing digital information (or for that matter, > transmission over the air), there are many methods to "modulate" or > "encode" the digital information... and FM is not a good one, plain and > simple. Something like bi-polar voltages is more effective (which is still > analog as a waveform, just taking on discrete values). > No, but FM is great for analog audio. See, Philips wasn't convinced they could go digital cheaply. They had originally envisioned CD as a low cost convenience format, much like cassettes. Since they already had analog audio via FM carriers on LaserDiscs, they were just going to adapt that technology for an audio only disc. The change to digital didn't happen until about halfway through the CD design process. (These are my estimates, based on some interviews I read a long time ago.) And, even then, Philips had to go to Sony to help with the math. Philips' prototypes were 14 bit systems that were prone to burst error problems. It may have been Sony who came up with the idea of using Reed-Soloman coding. I do know that Sony pushed for 16 bits and the 72 minute (or so) running time. What Philips brought to the CD design table were the Constant Linear Velocity drive and Laser focus mechanisms, based on their LaserDisc technology. (Constant Linear Velocity drives are mechanisms where the disc slows down as the laser reaches the edge of the disc. This means that the speed, as measured at the laser, stays the same.) Denon, Sony and the others experimenting with optical digital audio could only manage Constant Angular Velocity drives, which made for digital audio media roughly the size of records. I find the story behind the development of the CD really facinating. Two giant corporations managed to put aside competition long enough to come out with a system that transcended both of their design capabilities. A system that, with some initial teething pains, offered definite improvements to what had gone before. A system that could be adapted to other mediums, such as CD-ROM and Video CD, without changing the base technology. It's a shame that we can't get the corporate world together like this more often. DVD wasn't so much a meeting of minds, but more like a compromise to avoid a Beta/VHS battle. I'm still convinced it could have been a lot better. And notice how CD's successor is a battle between Philips, who is pushing DVD-Audio, and Sony, who is pushing SACD. You'd think they would have learned something, huh? (^_^) Cheers, Paul P.S. Speaking of teething pains, does anyone remember how you had to make a CD in 1984? You didn't have hard discs big enough to store the data like you do now. You had to master to a special Sony processor that encoded the digital audio bitstream as a video picture that had to be recored on a professional U-Matic 3/4" cartridge video recorder at 30 fps NTSC. And, you had to have special factories to press CDs. The idea of making a CD at home was about as practical as do-it-yourself brain surgery. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:32:30 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - bad vinyl I remember PiL's 1st getting reviewed in Smash Hits at the time. (For those of you too young to be in mid 30s crisis the first issues of Smash Hits had extensive coverage of punk/new wave bands. In fact I seem to remember Elvis Costello gracing a v early cover. They also had an indie chart page later, a reviewer called Red Starr who gave the Swell Maps debut 10/10 (good to see the Maps get a mention earlier), and some time later a lengthy feature on Crass. But I digress.) PiL didn't send review copies out so the papers had to buy their own copies. (Either v punk rock or another way of making up chart return ticks.) This copy jumped all over the place. But I'm not surprised. The bass on that album is v prominent. I'm no tech but from what I understand of vinyl if you've got lots of bass and a crap stylus you're in all sorts of trouble - Metal Box I wasn't able to play for years. Odd that Magazine should get a mention because a friend of mine had an early copy of Shand Dlight and, yes, that jumped all over the place too. I'm afraid my copy is a cheapo mid price version and sounds fine (apart from all the scratches from my early excursions into tinpot midi systems from my mum's catalogue). John - --- PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 02/06/01 18:25:18 GMT Daylight > Time, > iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: > > > > I used to hate that sinking feeling when you > bought a really shit pressing, > > only to take it back, change it and get another > one of the same batch > > that was just as shit.] > > > > i had murder with Magazine's 'Secondhand Daylight' > when it came out. > > i think i took it back 4 times!!!and the one i > kept was still shit!! > > happy days... > > > > ///that used to be done deliberately by big labels > as a form of hype ; each > > copy you got was registered as a sale...... p Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 12:20:11 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: [idealcopy] OT: (i) Digital formats (ii) Most ill conceived gig line up (i) Does it actually matter which format is the best? Surely, as I think Paul Rabjohn alluded to, it will be down to which multinational manages to convince the public which is best. And, as we know with VHS and BETA, it doesn't always work out quite right. It's more likely to be settled by whichever multinational has the most prominent artists on its roster at the time of the hardware war. Sony v Philips = DAT v some other digital cassette format = M Carey v Pavarotti. I don't know who owns what but if the owners of have Britney and the owners of DVD only have Nikki Sudden then we all know what the outcome will be. (ii) In some off list rambling I managed to realise that World Domination Enterprises once supported the rave version of the Shamen. Possibly not the most ill conceived billing of all time but what is the worst billing other listers have seen? I think we should disallow festivals or we'll be here all year... My contenders off the top of my head (and I suspect I've seen worse): - - Swinging Laurels supporting the Clash at Leicester De Montfort Hall - - Bryan Gregory's Beast supporting the Damned at the Sherwood Rooms, Nottingham (Bryan Gregory's comeback after the Cramps. He'd left the band by the time they got to Nottingham.) - - Any gig involving the Mighty Lemon Drops (only gig I've ever fallen asleep at). John Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 17:18:08 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: (i) Digital formats (ii) Most ill conceived gig line up It's more likely to be settled by whichever multinational has the most prominent artists on its roster at the time ////// the reason i'd heard that VHS cleaned up (despite being a worse format) was that they made sure a lot more porn was available a lot cheaper on their medium. is that what you mean by "prominent artists" john ?(fnarr , fnarr) > (ii) In some off list rambling I managed to realise > that World Domination Enterprises once supported the > rave version of the Shamen. Possibly not the most ill > conceived billing of all time but what is the worst > billing other listers have seen? I think we should > disallow festivals or we'll be here all year... > > ////// the poison girls plus napalm death? god , what a gig that was......p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 17:50:44 -0400 From: Matt Hawes Subject: [idealcopy] à=!"# $ % @=!"# $ . [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of REDIR32.EXE] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 15:18:06 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OTthen OnTthenOT - bad vinyl/bad audio tape >And another thing, on my IBTABA (the cassette version) when playing one>side, a backwards version of the other side leaks through. That's what happens when the cassette head gap geometries aren't matched between the deck that recorded the tape and the deck on which you're playing it back. There's not too much you can do about that, I'm afraid. Maybe try the tape in another deck. I wouldn't recommend monkeying around with your tape deck to correct this - you can open up a world of hurt this way. >Which reminds >me, I once made my girlfriend a compilation tape of 'meaningful' songs (you >know how it is) taping over some stuff I no longer listened to. It turned >out that somehow a kind of ghost of what had been there was not erased >(perhaps someone can explain technically how that could happen. On second >thoughts...;-)) Sure, I'll have a go. What probably happened is that your erase head had a clog. Therefore, it wasn't able to erase your tape completely, hence the remaining Skinny Puppy. There now, that wasn't so bad, was it? (^_^) Cheers, Paul *********************************************************** Brain: "Pinky, Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?" Pinky: "I think so Brain, but can the gummy worms really live in peace with the marshmallow chips?" Paul Pietromonaco Test Engineer - Reflection X WRQ, Inc. E-Mail: paulp@wrq.com *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 15:57:46 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Completism with a Schism >Wir - Slow So it Grow 7" or CDS, never heard the >b-side > Nice From Here? > >//////not as good as the album tracks but still well worth having. the 2 remixes on the cds are much better. > > I agree completely. If you don't have this, you should consider picking it up. By the way - anyone noticed that Nice From Here has 3D sounding vocals? Try arranging yourself into a equilateral triangle between yourself and your two speakers, and listen to the track. If I remember correctly, you should hear 3D sound from it. I think Ticking Mouth had that too. I'll have to go back and have a listen. > > >The worst thing Wir(e) ever did is that Erasure remix, >and if you hear that it might well put you off >'completism'. > >/////i still quite like that i'm afraid...... > > I like it too. Considering how Hi-NRG the original track was, it's amazing what Wir did to it. And the subtle change midway thru the track? Terrific. The only Erasure track I like, I think. > >Just heard last track off new Radiohead album - like a >10th rate watered down Robert Wyatt rip off ie. total >shite as usual! Well at least they didn't ask Smashy >Pumpky out to play!!! > >//// anyone else see them on TOTP (!) last friday? so deep , so meaningful , so dull. ooops , forgot you're not supposed to say that :-)p Hey - I'm going to see them at the Gorge ampitheater soon. Don't dash my hopes. (^_^) By the way - I'll go out on a limb here and say I quite like parts of Amnesiac. The song you're talking about isn't one of my faves, though. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 15:59:33 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: (i) Digital formats (ii) Most ill conceived gig line up > It's >more likely to be settled by whichever multinational >has the most prominent artists on its roster at the >time > >////// the reason i'd heard that VHS cleaned up (despite being a worse >format) was that they made sure a lot more porn was available a lot cheaper >on their medium. is that what you mean by "prominent artists" john ?(fnarr , >fnarr) > Oh, you laugh now... but I'm convinced part of DVDs acceptance has been their willingness to release many porn titles. And, porn titles with multi-angle viewing, no less Cheers, Paul *********************************************************** Brain: "Pinky, Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?" Pinky: "I think so Brain, but can the gummy worms really live in peace with the marshmallow chips?" Paul Pietromonaco Test Engineer - Reflection X WRQ, Inc. E-Mail: paulp@wrq.com *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 00:06:14 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Radiohead never heard an lp of theirs, heard most of the singles, not a fan. however...now i've got MTV2 again... .................................... .................................... (i'll say this REALLY quickly)...... heard 'The Pyramid Song' and found it strangely listenable............. i'll get me coat..... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:06:33 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Virus warning Uh oh, Looks like someone got a virus. Be careful out there... Cheers, Paul >FROM: Matt Hawes >Subject: [idealcopy] `=!"# $ % > >@=!"# $ . > >[demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of REDIR32.EXE] *********************************************************** Brain: "Pinky, Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?" Pinky: "I think so Brain, but can the gummy worms really live in peace with the marshmallow chips?" Paul Pietromonaco Test Engineer - Reflection X WRQ, Inc. E-Mail: paulp@wrq.com *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 16:27:07 -0700 From: fernando Subject: [idealcopy] Amnesiac is the solution? At 03:57 PM 6/4/01 -0700, Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > >Just heard last track off new Radiohead album - like a > >10th rate watered down Robert Wyatt rip off ie. total > >shite as usual! Well at least they didn't ask Smashy > >Pumpky out to play!!! > > > >//// anyone else see them on TOTP (!) last friday? so deep , so >meaningful , so dull. ooops , forgot you're not supposed to say that >:-)p > >Hey - I'm going to see them at the Gorge ampitheater soon. Don't dash >my hopes. (^_^) > >By the way - I'll go out on a limb here and say I quite like parts of >Amnesiac. The song you're talking about isn't one of my faves, though. I have been living with the album for a week now... in that I did not like anything from KidA, this is something positive, I guess... and, here there are a couple of tracks, though the reminiscing of past records by other bands, or just nothing spectacular when not, can be bothersome at times... even with bland expectations, since there is nothing else to cling onto to make you forget the originating-idea albums. However, I think that I will skip the live show. Perhaps the best thing after a while is to have Amnesia about this album... indeed. The new To Rocco Rot is good, and there are plenty other albums to be happy about the releases this year. cheers! - -fernando ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 19:45:05 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Radiohead In a message dated 05/06/01 00:17:15 GMT Daylight Time, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: > (i'll say this REALLY quickly)...... > heard 'The Pyramid Song' and found it > strangely listenable............. > > i'll get me coat..... > > I like Radiohead ... OK ..there ..I've said it now I feel better.. I think. ( I don't know whether that's a question or a statement.) Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 19:35:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] next to wire On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/06/01 13:02:06 GMT Daylight Time, > johnroberts_stats@yahoo.com writes: > > > In my collection Wire reside in this run of W's: This is kinda fun, so here's mine: Tony Williams / Bob Wills / Brian Wilson / Cassandra Wilson / The Wipers Wir(e) Willie Wisely / Wolf Colonel / The Wolfgang Press / The Wolfhounds / Wolfie - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Drive ten thousand miles across America and you will know more about ::the country than all the institutes of sociology and political science ::put together. __Jean Baudrillard__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 20:38:58 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Radiohead >>(i'll say this REALLY quickly)...... heard 'The Pyramid Song' and found it strangely listenable.............<< Well, as the official Only Radiohead Fan On The List I think Amnesiac is fine and dandy. And the limited edition version is quite the most beautifully packaged CD you'll find. It's a library book, complete with date stamps and the little card in the front pocket (along with the CD). And it's only a couple of quid more than the standard version. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 20:45:17 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - vid pastiche Ian, << further to this, i always wanted to a pastiche of the Dylan vid, with quotes from various favourite songs, including a section of cards saying 'Up' 'Down' 'Here' 'There' and 'Nowhere'!! >> There were a series of very funny TV ads several years ago (I think they were forMaxell tapes) which parodied the Dylan vid to the sounds of the Skids' Into the Valley and Desmond Dekker's Israelites.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 20:48:19 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - James Ian, << i liked them right from Jimone (another record i foolishly sold, doh) up until the big line-up change. sorry to be brutal, but i think they're a joke now. another 'underground' band for the 'Later...' crowd. >> I saw James supporting New Order in 1983 at the Liverpool State Ballroom (I guess you were there too?) and I thought they were dire. Seemed to veer into cheerful Oirish-style fiddly-dee music at various points. Later I thought they made good pop singles (eg Sit Down) though as far as I know I've never posessed a James record. More recent stuff seems to be a rehash of old formulae, though the line-up changes were most odd - new people came into the band and completely took over the songwriting, while sounding exactly the same as before.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 21:03:00 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Joy Div flexi/70's I think I got four of them, (two lots of two) from the little record stall in the underground market in Manchester (where I also got the tickets for the Celebration TV show). The first two were creased and I could only play them by sticking them to an old 7inch single with double-sided sticky tape. The others are fine! << correct, i remember going to pick up a copy of the flexi from Probe Records and being offered 5 or 6 copies because they wanted to get shut of them. i politely refused saying i only needed one, what a dickhead... >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 22:16:38 EDT From: MrSodium@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] bad gigs next to wire Mismatched--My first ever concert: Family opening for Elton John in the earlt 70's. Went with my folks, as I was about 13. My Dad made us leave early in Reg's set because the couple in front of us were smoking pot. Ironic, of course, that I can't remember openers at most gigs I attended subsequently due to similar bad habits on my part. Not neccessarily a mismatch, but one of the few memorable ones was Joan Jett opening for the Police in Toronto shortly after releasing "I Love rocKnroll" and getting pelted with debris and booed off the stage. The neighbors: "we", Wendy & Lisa, White Zombie (erk), Paul Winter, Lucinda WIllams, Josephine Wiggs, WInter Hours. At end other end, Jah Wobble and Wolfgang Press. I don't mind a car hitting me, but I do mind a driver trying to hit me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 23:38:37 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] bad gigs next to wire Classic mismatch here in LA in, I think,'81: The Clash open for The Who at the Coliseum (built in 1932 for the Olympic Games). The Clash audience - rowdy young "punks", trying to punk their ass before punk is dead. The Who audience: middle-aged, tie-dyed acid trippers glad they didn't die before they got old. The Who crowd dug the sound and fury of the Clash; the Clash crowd (the ones who stayed) moaned throughout Pete's windmills. Halfway through a foodfight broke out. It was perfect: the punkers wanted to fight someone, something and the Mods had the superior numbers. A few nights later the English Beat opened for the Clash at (I think) the Whiskey or the Palladium. That was one of the all-time great matches. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 11:13:28 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Politicians > Graeme R wrote: > > >Howard mentioned his voting inclinations... > >The Labour Party - I'd rather kill them all (alright > >spare Tony Benn & Alan Simpson) than vote for the > >lying bastards (and that goes equal for the Tories) > > They're all lying bastards, thats their job! > Enough politics already, lets not drag the list down that gutter > lest Miles > get on our case. It might be their jobs to lie, as you define it, and I wouldn't have any trouble with that if it weren't for the fact that in the process of lying they also make other people's lives miserable. It might be naive of me to think so, but I strongly believe that lying should be left to copywriters, lawyers and weather forecast people. giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #174 *******************************