From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #166 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, May 31 2001 Volume 04 : Number 166 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: completism [Howard Spencer ] [idealcopy] collective completism ["david mack" ] [idealcopy] The collector's dilemma [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] Completism [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] Michael O'Shea ["wiremailorder.com" ] RE: [idealcopy] collective completism ["giluz" ] Re: [idealcopy] collective completism [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] collective completism [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: completism [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT: weird shit [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] collective completism ["ray\)\(o\)\(mac" ] Re: [idealcopy] collective completism [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] collective completism ["ray\)\(o\)\(mac" ] Re: [idealcopy] collective completism [HeySean@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT:business opportunity (was collective completism) [Mark] Re: [idealcopy] OT: weird shit [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: THESE Records (This Heat) [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] organization (organisation you English blokes) [HeySean@aol.c] [idealcopy] These Records Collect New Orders [Tim Robinson ] Re: new new order (was [idealcopy] Re: completism) [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: organization (organisation you English blokes) ["david ma] [idealcopy] Ok no one asked... [HeySean@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] For the 1st time...again! ["giluz" ] RE: [idealcopy] collective completism & quantum mechanics ["giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: completism Last year sometime I swapped my vinyl copy of A bell is a cup for an LP by Laika, having just got ABIAC on CD. I was partly motivated by evangelical zeal, but have to admit to a slight twinge of regret about it. I think my work colleague did better out of the deal that I did. I do like laika's German Shepherds though - better than anything on the LP. So I'm not too sentimental about these things. But I do store all my LPS and CDS in alphabetical order (never got round to sorting out the tapes). How else can anyone find anything? Re New Order - I find all the news recently reported quite depressing. The decision on whether to buy their next release is going to be akin to the decision I face a week tomorrow on whether to vote Labour again. Each are not what they once were. The recent limp solo projects have been (to me) as disappointing as student fees, asylum seeker bashing, the private finance initiative etc. ad infinitum. Apparently these days Barney goes on crash diets before photoshoots. As to whether they are `synthpop' - all depends on whether that is regarded as a criticism, dunnit? Howard (probably the only person on the list who will confess to liking Erasure a bit) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 05:42:58 -0500 From: "david mack" Subject: [idealcopy] collective completism another listmember mentioned completism in rhk i also suffer from that affliction each release strikes me as just unique enough to ensure shelf space and a rotational slot remarkable i am also completist in wire and very near completist (as a goal at least) in a few other artists haroumi hosono ryuichi sakamoto akiko yano (i cannot quite part with her 'queen songs' which i never listen to , being that i do not particularly care fo queen, and her imprint is so weak on this- but yet i bought and retain this copy) there are other artists i collect extensivly but not completely charles mingus the fall atom heart bill nelson miles davis females, ingeneral, collect other things clothing, dolls, china, etc (items which do not alphabetize well) my music collection is the sole well ordered area in my control, my desk and closet are disasters ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 04:02:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] The collector's dilemma "///// i never met a male music fan who didn't store everything in alphabetical order. i've never met a woman who could be bothered to store anything (books , records , whatever) in alphabetical order. discuss. p" Alphabetical order? I really can't be arsed with that. My stuff is bunged in collections that are "kind of related" and the stuff I play more is higher up, but that's about it. No wonder I can never find anything... :-) C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 04:07:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Completism >Are there any list members who DON'T feel any need to be completists? Me for one. I buy/grab what I like: simple as that and although I came close at one point with both Wire (+related) and The Fall, I stopped at 'got a lot of it now' rather than 'must have everything'. Even in doing most of Wireviews, I still don't have a few fairly major items, even including some of the Wire CD3s... As far as the 'leave it in the shrinkwrap' idea goes, I think that's pretty mad, especially if you don't have another copy. Music is there to be listened to, not to stay inside its container in a box or on a shelf. C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 06:16:49 -0500 From: "wiremailorder.com" Subject: [idealcopy] Michael O'Shea Stock has been dispatched to the US; will have the site ready for orders over the internet next week. Wiremailorder.com will also be sending out a mailing; make sure we have your address if you'd like it. Free gift with ALL orders! charles shop@wiremailorder.com http://www.wiremailorder.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:42:08 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] collective completism > there are other artists i collect extensivly but not completely > charles mingus > the fall Show me the man (or woman) who's got the complete Fall collection (I'd settle with just the 'official' stuff, though the meaning of this in the context of the Fall is a bit shady). giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:32:45 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] collective completism Giluz, << Show me the man (or woman) who's got the complete Fall collection (I'd settle with just the 'official' stuff, though the meaning of this in the context of the Fall is a bit shady). >> Well, I've probably got every piece of music ever officially recorded by the Fall in some form or another (vinyl, CD, compilation etc). Such is the advantage of buying the stuff as it comes out, which I've been doing since 1979. Haven't got all the live albums that Cog Sinister is putting out at the moment (picked up Rekjavik and Cambridge ones - Rekjavik thoroughly recommended - top quality mixing desk recording from 1983; mainly Hex/PBL era. Cambridge not played yet.) Will probably buy the other ones (Belfast and Zagreb) when I see them at a decent price! I also have at least the first 10 Fall Peel sessions (nearly half of the total!) in good quality, plus a good number of bootlegs. You couldn't describe it as a "complete collection" in that I don't have all the multiple versions/multiple formats etc. But it's probably as close as you'll get! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:01:26 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] collective completism David, << my music collection is the sole well ordered area in my control, my desk and closet are disasters >> I detect a kindred spirit here! As garlic and crosses are used to fend off vampires, I use piles of old junk to fend off feng shui consultants. Recently a British "artist" ritually destroyed all his material posessions in an industrial crusher as part of an installation (all bar the cheque he received...). I am the opposite of that man. Most of the "things" I have ever owned I still posess. Time to come out of the closet. I am a compulsive hoarder. Regrets of my life? Once, in a state of college-induced poverty, I was forced to sell some records at a record fair. I've subsequently spent about 10 times what I made that day replacing them. Secondly, I authorised my old ma to throw away 15 years' worth of NMEs which were rotting away in her garage. Mice were feasting on the old newsprint. In all probablility I will replace these at some stage, though I will first need a larger house. Even so, I find myself bemused by the collecting habits of some - the obsessives who collect different country issues of the same record, or minute variations in sleeve design. If the music is the same, well one copy will do me fine thank you. With a combination of a relative dearth of good new music and the availability of ebay/Gemm/lots of people getting rid of vinyl collections etc, I've recently started plugging gaps in the collection - lost/forgotten bands etc. And yes, it's alphabetical, though for many years the vinyl had an anachronistic split of pre-77 and post-77, which I eradicated last time I moved house. CDs are alphabetical too (though I don't sort titles within artists, whcih is taking it too far!). 7inch singles are in a bit of a mess though! Tapes, not being proper things, are only vaguely filed at all. There are women who alphabeticise - though usually this is part of a deeper-rooted Monica-out-of-Friends mania involving tidyness (my ex, for example, was a stickler for alphabetical CDs, though she also insisted in knives and forks pointing in the same direction in the cutlery draw). Current girlfirend is messier than me - I find myself chastising her for leaving coffee mugs lying around the house, rather than putting them in the bourgeois dishwasher. Like I've got a right to criticise anyone, he says, sitting in an office that looks like Beirut high street, after a freak Tornado has hit it. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:04:20 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: completism Howard, << Apparently these days Barney goes on crash diets before photoshoots. >> Hmmm. Sad, but inevitable that he should lard out given his industrial level intake of speed, booze and smack during most of the 80s. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:11:49 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: weird shit > > > > >>>Have you ever wondered if your mind is normal or different?? Well > do > > > this > > > > >>>little mind exercise and find out at the end > > > > >>>Free will or synaptic wiring? You be the judge. Check out the > > following > > > > > > > >>>exercise, guaranteed to raise an eyebrow. There's no trick or > > surprise. > > > > > > > >>>Just follow these instructions, and answer the questions one at a > > time > > > > >>>and as quickly as you can. Again, as quickly as you can but don't > > > advance > > > > >>>until you've done each of them...really. Now, scroll down (but not > > too > > > > >>>fast,you might miss something)........ > > > > >>>What is: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>1+5 > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>2+4 > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>3+3 > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>4+2 > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>5+1 > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Now repeat saying the number 6 to yourself as fast as you can for > 15 > > > > >>>seconds. Then scroll down > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>QUICK!!! THINK OF A VEGETABLE! Then arrow down > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Keep going. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> You're thinking of a carrot, right? > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > If not, you're among the 2% of the population whose > > > minds are different > > > > >>>enough to think of something else - 98 per cent of people will say > > > CARROT > > > > >>>when they do this exercise, freaky eh?? > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Keep this message, send it to as many people as you can and see how > > > their > > > > >>>brains work, if they're normal or a little bit unusual ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:13:44 -0500 From: "ray\)\(o\)\(mac" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] collective completism did i mention that i have probably 20 large boxes of 50's paperbacks in my attic (waiting for the day when i build the shelves for them) almost none are mint - all are 'reading' copies an acquaintance has a mint 1st edition of fredric brown's TCOT Dancing Sandwiches, a title I am dying to read. he has removed it from the plastic, but once, to open it would crack the spine and depreciate the piece by a couple hundred dollars sensless, i think as to dear-departed items - my mother threw out my comic book collection and accordion while i was away at school r)(0)(m and as a side commercial plug - thrill jockey here in chicago is now the US distributor for nobekazu takemura's chilDisc label buy them all - they are precious watercolour mineatures of electronics water town is the most guitar informed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:47:13 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OT: collective completism > << my music collection is the sole well ordered area in my > control, my desk > and > closet are disasters >> > > I detect a kindred spirit here! > > As garlic and crosses are used to fend off vampires, I use piles > of old junk > to fend off feng shui consultants. What a brilliant excuse - you certainly made my day. I can't wait till the opportunity arises for me to use it! My work room certainly looks like it's fending off feng shui (or sheng fui, as I'd rather call it [fui meaning yuck in Hebrew]) - it's blocked from every direction possible, piles of books, CD's, video cassettes and vinyl are heaped on the floor (audio cassettes have been carelessly dropped onto two large bags ages ago). > I am the opposite of that man. > > Most of the "things" I have ever owned I still posess. Time to > come out of > the closet. I am a compulsive hoarder. Me too - maybe that's the starting stage - we all tend to hoard things. With some of us this attitude gains a more specific approac, i.e. collectivism. > Even so, I find myself bemused by the collecting habits of some - the > obsessives who collect different country issues of the same > record, or minute > variations in sleeve design. If the music is the same, well one > copy will do > me fine thank you. That's certainly a result of collectors reaching the stage where their collection is complete too fast and thinking what they're gonna do with their miserable lives now that they've got nothing to live for. I knew a guy who actually used to print limited editions of albums and sell it to collectors all over the world as genuine Israeli editions (in most of the cases those albums were never actually released in Israel). > And yes, it's alphabetical, though for many years the vinyl had an > anachronistic split of pre-77 and post-77, which I eradicated last time I > moved house. CDs are alphabetical too (though I don't sort titles within > artists, whcih is taking it too far!). 7inch singles are in a bit > of a mess > though! Tapes, not being proper things, are only vaguely filed at all. Used to alphabetise everything (except for audio tapes, which are indeed not proper things), but reduced it to CD's since the last time I moved (almost two years ago). It takes ages just to find an album now, but you get to meet lots of other interesting stuff on the way. Best thing about not finding what you're looking for is that you usually find something else that you looked for last time and didn't find. > Like I've got a right to criticise anyone, he says, sitting in an > office that > looks like Beirut high street, after a freak Tornado has hit it. Beirut streets never get hit by tornados - they get hit by Israelis (so watch out :) ) giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:02:41 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] collective completism In a message dated 30/05/01 13:40:35 GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Well, I've probably got every piece of music ever officially recorded by the > Fall in some form or another (vinyl, CD, compilation etc). //////are you talking solo releases too there? just curious.......p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:07:23 -0500 From: "ray\)\(o\)\(mac" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] collective completism if so - does that include all the releases from craig leon and his wife? white courtesy phone please Well, I've probably got every piece of music ever officially recorded by the Fall in some form or another (vinyl, CD, compilation etc). //////are you talking solo releases too there? just curious.......p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:21:33 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Solo Fall (was collective completism) Paul, << << Well, I've probably got every piece of music ever officially recorded by the Fall in some form or another (vinyl, CD, compilation etc). >> //////are you talking solo releases too there? just curious.......p >> Er...no! I think my Adult Net collection extends to one single, purchased in a bargain bin. I do have the first three Marc Riley singles and the first album, though I lost interest after then. I have all the Blue Orchids stuff, of course (I think I have everything), plus all the Passage stuff with Tony Friel (two EPs). And of course Mark E's own solo album. Then there are oddball Karl Burns spin-offs like Thirst, and various micro-groups with Paul Hanley or Simon Wolstencroft (The Weeds was one of those) that made the odd single. Hanley and Burns formed a band called Ark after they left the Fall. They did play some gigs but no records have been released. Sadly Craig Scanlon hasn't picked up a guitar since MES threw him out, according to a recent interview. Taking out a small onion, the old curmudgeon said throwing Craig out was his biggest regret. Presumably there are odds & sods featuring more recent Fall members? Probably utter pants, if they're up to the standard of 'Hands up Billy', the song on the last album which was sung by the guitarist. Atrocious, and by some considerable margin the Official Worst Fall Song Ever. Solo Fall projects - an anorak too far. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:32:04 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] For the 1st time...again! I'll take a moment from my jackbooted suppression of free speech on the list to comment on the following: Quoth Rick Hindman: >When Wire played in Edinburgh, someone had wondered >about "Advantage in Height" being in the setlist. I >thought the same thing... I had considered it a so-so >song at best.... > >My mind was changed when I got "It's all in the >Brochure"!! The live version floored me!!! It was a huge highlight all three times I saw Wire last year (RFH, SF x 2). This iteration of the group flat-out nails it, and like you, I'd not thought of it as among the best Wire songs before hearing it live. >Tack on >those versions of "Another the Letter" and "12XU" and >that is one of the deadliest live sets I've heard in >years!! I'm always surprised that we don't hear more on the list about IT'S ALL IN THE BROCHURE, which is a stellar convergence of good sound and a great performance. I'd also add "Lowdown" to your short list of absolutely white-hot BROCHURE renditions -- hard to believe that there's only one guitar (Bruce's) on "Lowdown" and "12XU," yowza! The only way I could like BROCHURE better would be if it was a release of the *entire* RFH show. :-) later, listowner Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:43:40 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] collective completism << an acquaintance has a mint 1st edition of fredric brown's TCOT Dancing Sandwiches, a title I am dying to read. he has removed it from the plastic, but once, to open it would crack the spine and depreciate the piece by a couple hundred dollars sensless, i think >> Here in the UK we have a TV show called Antiques Raodshow, where people can bring heirlooms etc and get them valued by professionals. One guy brought along a 1950s die-cast model truck, mint and in its box. the toys expert almost wet himself, as this was an immensely rare special edition model only obtainable through some complex mail order process involving cutting tokens of packets of cornflakes or some such. The model was worth hundreds, if not thousands, quoth the expert. Mr smug punter then produced a wrapped up parcel, still bearing his address. He had bought two of the rare models, and had kept one, unopened, in its parcel for the past 40-odd years. Sunlight had never shone on the box of the second one. To open the package would diminish the value by half, said the expert. To appreciate the item, you would destroy its value. Utterly, completely absurd. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:50:21 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Solo Fall (was collective completism) At 02:21 PM 5/30/2001 -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >Sadly Craig Scanlon hasn't >picked up a guitar since MES threw him out, according to a recent interview. >Taking out a small onion, the old curmudgeon said throwing Craig out was his >biggest regret. Is "taking out a small onion" a figure of speech, or did Mark E. Smith pull a diminutive Walla-Walla out of a pocket of his worn, scruffy jacket while reminiscing about the Sack of Scanlon? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:57:06 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] For the 1st time...again! Miles, >>It was a huge highlight all three times I saw Wire last year (RFH, SF x 2). This iteration of the group flat-out nails it, and like you, I'd not thought of it as among the best Wire songs before hearing it live.<< I must say I've always really liked AAIH. For me it's the stand-out on Snakedrill and would open any 80s Wire compilation if I was editing the track list. << The only way I could like BROCHURE better would be if it was a release of the *entire* RFH show. :-) >> Totally agree. And the whole of the He Said set as well. EGL would surely sell as many of those as he did of Ocsid live?? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:28:46 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] For the 1st time...again! ><< The only way I could like BROCHURE better would be if it was a release of >the *entire* RFH show. :-) >> > >Totally agree. And the whole of the He Said set as well. EGL would surely >sell as many of those as he did of Ocsid live?? You know, you could make a great double CD compilation of the RFH show. The first CD would be Immersion+He Said. The second CD would be the entire Wire gig. (All right, if you have to, you could put an excerpt of the DJ battle...(^_^)) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:57:59 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: collective completism In a message dated 30/05/01 15:52:41 GMT Daylight Time, giluz@nettalk.com writes: > Beirut streets never get hit by tornados - they get hit by Israelis (so > watch out :) ) > > giluz > > > > The third bedroom in my house is the spare room or "office".What a laugh ! You ought to see it.It houses all my LP's & 12" singles properly shelved.There is a computer desk,chair,computer, Hi-Fi.But then...all over the floor are strewn tapes,books,more Cd's & boxes & boxes & boxes of 7" singles. But this is really my garden shed so to speak.I feel happy here ! Sad but true. My wife would love me to tidy up.One day I just might. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:40:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: weird shit On Wed, 30 May 2001 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > > > > >>>QUICK!!! THINK OF A VEGETABLE! Then arrow down It's in this phrasing. Most common vegetables are encountered collectively (peas, corn, beans, what have you) - the vegetable named is the only common one that's reasonably conceived of singularly as "a vegetable." "A pea?" "A kernel of corn?" not likely. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, founder, Anti-Fun League J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:41:37 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: weird shit Hmmmm the only vegetable that came to my mind was Syd Barrett (how dare he!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 23:42:31 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] Vernacular Sad news about the Vernacular event organised by Blast First. This is what the mute.com web-site says. The mentioned event due to take place later this year has been cancelled due to licence problems. I had the intention to go to London again next month.Was at the Touch 2001 at the QEH. I even visited the White Chapel. Searching for information. Spoke at the Global cafe with someone who was talking enthousiast about this what would happen there. But No ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:57:16 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] collective completism Collecting absurdity revisted: I have a brother who collects baseball cards. Among his collection are entire boxes of cards, sealed, about the size of a shoe box, with about 1200 cards inside. Some of these are thought to contain a certain rare card that was only put into certain sealed boxes, not all of them. The boxes are worth stupid amounts of money because they have the POTENTIAL to contain said rare card. However, to open the box and ascertain whether the card is actually in the box at all will totally devalue the set! I hope to make a tidy sum of money sealing bricks inside of baseball card boxes and selling them to these asinine collectors. (Further down the road I plan to piss in old wine bottles and sell that, too) Personally, I collect music, which I listen to, books (cheap paperbacks), which I read, and movies, which I watch. People like my ex-brother-in-law, whose comic book collection was worth thousands although he admitted to never having opened any to read them, seem a little odd to me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:41:54 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT:business opportunity (was collective completism) In the real world I work in the magazine publishing business...I am currently now working on launching a magazine for these obsessives. Called 'Sad Obsessive Collector' it will be available on subscription only, with each copy of each edition individually numbered, and securely wrapped in a sturdy envelope. Subscribers will be able to reserve a lower (and therefore more valubale) number by paying more money. Of course, the magazine will not exist. I'll simply fill the envelopes with left-over copies of whatever is lying around. But no-one will ever find out, as they'll never open the bags. Ker-ching! Mark ;-) Only drawback is how to explain concept this to the advertisers! << People like my ex-brother-in-law, whose comic book collection was worth thousands although he admitted to never having opened any to read them, seem a little odd to me. >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:44:45 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: weird shit Turnip? Potato? Cabbage? Cauliflower? Swede? Parsnip? etc If you don't eat your greens, you'll end up all stunted and your teeth'll fall out... Good theory though. I take it you performed according to the plan! I did... Mark << It's in this phrasing. Most common vegetables are encountered collectively (peas, corn, beans, what have you) - the vegetable named is the only common one that's reasonably conceived of singularly as "a vegetable." "A pea?" "A kernel of corn?" not likely. >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:48:17 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fwd: THESE Records (This Heat) Graeme, Thanks for the info - two brilliant albums I've always wanted on CD but never seen. Mark << > to all of those folks out there who thankfully have > been persistantly bugging us about this, > we can finally offer some news of forthcoming > re-issues. > > after two years out of print, the first two this > heat albums are due this year for re-issue in > revamped format. > > we can confirm that last week charles hayward and > charles bullen from the band re-mastered DECEIT. >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:30:19 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] organization (organisation you English blokes) I can understand somewhat the need to organize your music into some kind of a coherent order; else how would one find anything?? And while personally I think the fault with organized people is that they are just too damn lazy to look for things, I am glad the organized people aren't concert promoters. Imagine going to see Wham and Wire just because they conformed alphabetically. Not that I own anything by Wham and I wouldn't cross the street to piss on them if they were on fire but I think you get the point. At my residence Wire shares space with Beck and Miles Davis. Paul Weller and Joni Mitchell and Joe Jackson are neighbors. Au Pairs and Magazine. Stewart Copeland and John Coltrane. Bowie, Bob Marley, and Neil Young. The English Beat and Swing Out Sister. Buzzcocks and Talking Heads. I could go on (but who would want me to?) but the point is that classification, an eminently important human survival skill, is as varied as the music we listen to. Back in the old days (late 70's) when I worked at the record store we had Elvis in Easy Listening! I admire the people who admit they got shit everywhere; the world wide web is in its merest infancy when compared to human thought. Ok enough of that - back to trashing New Order LOL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 03:15:17 +0100 From: Tim Robinson Subject: [idealcopy] These Records Collect New Orders Paul Rabjohn wrote: > > ///// i never met a male music fan who didn't store everything in alphabetical order. You have now. Well I did try and organise my CDs when I got some shelves but the system has already broken down. I don't do tidy! > From: MrSodium@aol.com > tB Anything in particular? Graeme wrote (re New Order) > Synth Pop? Giluz, listen to 'Sunrise' from 'Low Life' > and eat your words! More guitars than 'Ambitious' > ceratainly. And of course most of the first two LPs. Leave Me Alone sounds like Low or Galaxie 500. This 12" is > well worth hearing, and is the only place you can get > Joy Division's classic 'As You Said' which appears > uncredited on the flipside. I think they're repressing > Video 586 as a Cd soon. I've got the CD which alas doesn't feature As You Said, although it does have a cool sticker on it from Touch which says 'This Barcode Does Not Work' It is on the Heart and Soul Box Set though, and also on a 7" that came with a crap lyric book from the people who made the Exploded Views thing. Mine skips. Hence the vinyl-scepticism. Very curious track though, wonder what the context was...seems to indicate that Joy Divison would have gone the way of New Order even if Ian hadn't decided to step off this mortal coil. Is it my imagination or did Tortoise do a cover of this somewhere? > I have a tape of New Order doing a cover of Isolation > which is fairly recent and I think was recorded for > John Peel. It's the best thing they've done since > 'Sunrise' IMO. Do you not like the Brotherhood album which has several 'Sunrises' on it IMO? The New Order Isolation is certainly the best thing they have done since Technique.....and I believe is mostly the work of Stephen Morris. > New Order were the first band I ever went to hear play > a gig BTW - First band I ever saw too! But in the G-mex in 1988. Different kettle of fish altogether. > Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: THESE Records (sorry if this is spam!) Not Spam and on message, if not on list. I seem to recall a feature on these records in Mojo or Wire or something. Isn't the retail shop basically someones front room with no obvious shop front or anything? And you have to press the bell to get in? Sounds scary! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 03:17:24 +0100 From: Tim Robinson Subject: [idealcopy] Stoppit and Tidyup!! phillip Blakeney wrote: > //// I heard some idiot women on radio doing talkback on feng shui. She > made the point that this curious set of principles, at least as practiced > in the west, dictates that the household be clutter free, so I reckon > feng shui is a (female) conspiracy to get us to put our music collection > and other STUFF behind closed cupboard doors. ?!?! Words fail me, I shall (mis)quote the good Robert Wyatt: "Women of the World take over...cos if you don't this world will come to an end....and it won't take long" Speak up Women of Wire for all our sakes!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:34:54 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: new new order (was [idealcopy] Re: completism) In a message dated 5/30/01 5:57:15 AM, hspencer@oup.co.uk writes: >The recent limp solo projects have >been (to me) as disappointing as student fees, asylum seeker bashing, >the private finance initiative etc. ad infinitum. this made me chuckle. an inside joke for the factory enthusiasts?... "ad infinitum" being a peter hook project :o) - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:33:12 -0500 From: "david mack" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: organization (organisation you English blokes) I found my copy of the first Pere Ubu album in Dance Instruction - filed right behind "How To Belly Dance For Your Husband" (maybe I could find another copy of the latter for our 15th anniversary next month ;) > in the old days (late 70's) when I worked at the record store we had Elvis in Easy Listening! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 00:36:57 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Ok no one asked... so here it is... Buzzcocks: Spiral Scratch Charles Mingus: Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Paul Weller: Live Wood Art Bears: Hopes and Fears Luxuria: Beast Box Santana: Silver Dreams Golden Reality Colin Newman: Bastard Miles Davis: Steamin' With The Miles Davis Quintet Style Council: Our Favorite Shop Joe Jackson: Blaze of Glory Sountrack to The Spy Who Shagged Me Buzzcocks: Time's Up Bruce Gilbert: Insiding Beck: Mutations ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:04:30 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] For the 1st time...again! > I'm always surprised that we don't hear more on the list about > IT'S ALL IN > THE BROCHURE, which is a stellar convergence of good sound and a great > performance. I'd also add "Lowdown" to your short list of absolutely > white-hot BROCHURE renditions -- hard to believe that there's only one > guitar (Bruce's) on "Lowdown" and "12XU," yowza! The only way I > could like > BROCHURE better would be if it was a release of the *entire* RFH show. :-) Ooh yes - couldn't agree more. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:04:22 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] collective completism & quantum mechanics > Collecting absurdity revisted: I have a brother who collects > baseball cards. > Among his collection are entire boxes of cards, sealed, about > the size of a > shoe box, with about 1200 cards inside. Some of these are > thought to contain > a certain rare card that was only put into certain sealed boxes, > not all of > them. The boxes are worth stupid amounts of money because they have the > POTENTIAL to contain said rare card. However, to open the box > and ascertain > whether the card is actually in the box at all will totally > devalue the set! Did anyone ever think how this could be the perfect example for Quantum Mechanics? Instead of talking about cats whose owner has an absurd name such as Schrodinger, you can have an example any school kid would understand. The card is both in the box and not in the box as long as you don't open it - the quantum existence of the card (the potential) is what gives it its worth, and not the actual existence of it - wicked. giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #166 *******************************