From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #164 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, May 29 2001 Volume 04 : Number 164 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: The collector's dilemma ["wiremailorder.com" ] [idealcopy] OT - the classical treatment ["ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: The collector's dilemma > I think collecting is a peculiarly > male affliction as well: are there any female list members? Are there any > list members who DON'T feel any need to be completists? Cheers,Phillip It sure is a male affliction! but I think collections and what is/isn't certainly changes over time. As I reappraise my Wire collection I imagine you'll see a good part of it on eBay. However, certain items - vinyl in particular - I find very difficult to part with. CDs have absolutely no collectable value to me as objects; They're more a commodity or (even worse) a container; does anyone agree? charles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:25:25 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Whitechapel I rang the Whitechapel Gallery about the Disobey event. It's apparently now called The Vernacular and is being organised by Mute records. Wire are still lined up to play, as well as Panasonic and Coil (though I suspect these are separate events). However nothing has been finalised as yet but they should know by the end of the week. I'll keep you posted. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:37:14 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Whitechapel << I rang the Whitechapel Gallery about the Disobey event. It's apparently now called The Vernacular and is being organised by Mute records. ////shame they didn't stick to that "continuity disobey" idea , i thought that was a great one.... Wire are still lined up to play, as well as Panasonic and Coil (though I suspect these are separate events). However nothing has been finalised as yet but they should know by the end of the week. I'll keep you posted. //////sounds an excellent prospect. here's hoping.p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:46:35 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The collector's dilemma I have just received a copy of the 7" Bruce Gilbert 'Instant Shed' securely trapped inside a *sealed* silver packet. Now I am faced with the dilemma of all collectors- do I open it and listen to it, or keep it mint and sealed? //// well i did rip mine open and played it. but , being a bit sad , i bought another one cheap on ebay so i had a mint one. strangely "instant shed" is always appearing on ebay , you can get one for $3-4 no problem. "nervepath" (instant shed volume 2 , 2 x 7") is much rarer. i got one a few months ago and it looks so nice i havn't had the heart to rip it open yet. you want all the material whether it is any good or not, in fact listening to the music is almost secondary to the thrill of the hunt. Suddenly like me you have over 60 Wire items, or for some list members no doubt, many more items. ///// there's so much wire-related stuff i doubt anyone has "everything". i've got a hell of a lot but there's still a fair few things to hunt down..... (Mind you I do listen to my stuff constantly!) I think collecting is a peculiarly male affliction as well: are there any female list members? Are there any list members who DON'T feel any need to be completists? Cheers,Phillip ///// i never met a male music fan who didn't store everything in alphabetical order. i've never met a woman who could be bothered to store anything (books , records , whatever) in alphabetical order. discuss. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:55:36 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: The collector's dilemma CDs have absolutely no collectable value to me as objects; They're more a commodity or (even worse) a container; does anyone agree? /////what goes for really big money is long out-of-print cd's from the early/mid-80's , when a lot of people were still buying vinyl. "commercial suicide" being a prime example ; pretty common on vinyl but really tough to find on cd (i still havn't). i saw a bodeans cd on ebay at $102 , which i thought was staggerring on several levels. another one i'd love to find is "lost weekend" by the monochrome set , same problem. i think desirability just goes along with rarity , if there ain't many around then the price will rocket. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:11:38 EDT From: MrSodium@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The collector's dilemma "...in all collections, Sir, the desire of augmenting it grows stronger in proportion to the advance in aquisition; as motion is accelerated by the continuation of the impetus." Samuel Johnson, quoted in Boswell's "Life of Johnson." It's always fun to invoke the classics in order to justify one's hobby. ; ) Wire are one of the few bands worth being completist about. A lot of my music interests don't spill over into mania because having one disc, you in essence have them all. Wire have managed to evolve, progress, whatever you want to call it and still remain interesting. A rare feat, that. tB In a message dated Tue, 29 May 2001 12:22:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Phillip Blakeney" writes: <...snipped> wonder how many list members have the collector bug. I always find it interesting when a mere 'interest' spills over into a 'collection'. For example with an 'interest' in Wire you would obtain all the good material (by whatever method you arrive at that decision), however as soon as Wire crosses the line to being a 'collectible' you then need to have EVERYTHING, and you branch out into solo material ,and perhaps cover versions etc etc etc. The defining difference with the latter is that you want all the material whether it is any good or not, in fact listening to the music is almost secondary to the thrill of the hunt. Suddenly like me you have over 60 Wire items, or for some list members no doubt, many more items. (Mind you I do listen to my stuff constantly!) I think collecting is a peculiarly male affliction as well: are there any female list members? Are there any list members who DON'T feel any need to be completists? Cheers,Phillip - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:42:08 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] New Order Ian SJ said >>>>New Order, for me, really died after 'Technique'. i've always hated 'blind-faith fandom' (still buying the records when they're obviously shit, that kind of thing), resurrecting Joy Div songs, whilst interesting to hear, was a calculated and cynical move as far as i'm concerned. i don't even want to think about the new lp, if it's all true. My feelings exactly, although I find Technique a bit samey but it's OK... Smashy Pumpky joins NO, Krist Novoselic and Michael Stipe join Wire (maybe not). Wire have never devolved into a total joke! Synth Pop? Giluz, listen to 'Sunrise' from 'Low Life' and eat your words! More guitars than 'Ambitious' ceratainly. Odd (?) that Charles is selling Meridians, since Touch issued Wire's First Last Hafler Trio 12" and Vien cdep and also issued the New Order Video 586 12" which was the music used at the Hacienda opening. This 12" is well worth hearing, and is the only place you can get Joy Division's classic 'As You Said' which appears uncredited on the flipside. I think they're repressing Video 586 as a Cd soon. http://www.touch.demon.co.uk Say what you want, It's your table. Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:07:49 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Isolation ///// decades was the track i was most looking forward to hearing on that > last comeback ; on the edited reading video i saw the only JD tracks were > (i think) atmosphere and LWTUA. did they do many more in the full set? p I have a tape of New Order doing a cover of Isolation which is fairly recent and I think was recorded for John Peel. It's the best thing they've done since 'Sunrise' IMO. New Order were the first band I ever went to hear play a gig BTW - in Poole, a place I've never been back to since! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:50:32 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Boil in the bag >>>>I have just received a copy of the 7" Bruce Gilbert 'Instant Shed' securely trapped inside a *sealed* silver packet. Now I am faced with the dilemma of all collectors- do I open it and listen to it, or keep it mint and sealed? Can any list members tell me what the music is like? Try boiling it in the bag then opening and playing. Maybe it will improve the flavour? Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:32:29 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: THESE Records (This Heat) This might be of interest to This Heat fans... - --- these@appleonline.net wrote: > To: crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk > From: these@appleonline.net > Subject: THESE Records > Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:39:48 +0100 > > PRE-ANNOUNCEMENT > > THIS HEAT INFO > > [yes, really!!!] > > > to all of those folks out there who thankfully have > been persistantly bugging us about this, > we can finally offer some news of forthcoming > re-issues. > > after two years out of print, the first two this > heat albums are due this year for re-issue in > revamped format. > > we can confirm that last week charles hayward and > charles bullen from the band re-mastered DECEIT. > > this was done with the more than able ears and hands > of the venerable mr. denis blackaham @ country > masters. > > the remaster was done direct from the 1981, stereo > ampex reels, which performed beautifully and > revealed more depth, detail and warmth to the > recordings than previously heard. > > we are in the process of finalising the cover > re-hash, and should soon be able to let you know of > a release date. you will be the first to know. > > any trades and journos who are eavesdropping on > this list will be informed at the relevant time > through the correct channels, do not hassle us till > then please. > > THIS HEAT (aka Blue&Yellow), will go through the > same process in the following months. > > thank you for your infinite patience and interest. > > > > harnel aoot! > > these records > > > > these records > 112 brook drive > london > se11 4tq > tel: +44 (0)207 587 5349 > fax: +44 (0)207 582 5278 > > > -------------------------------------------- > If you want to change your subscriber status > Go here: http://www.ibmpcug.co.uk/~irdial/these.htm > > ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:53:34 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: The collector's dilemma Paul, You'll confuse those poor Americans again! The CD was Bodines (Creation popsters) not BoDeans (Green on Red lite)... BoDeans CDs are geberally $1.99 in the Detroit bargain bins! Blue Orchids 1991 career compilation CD went for $42 recently... pedantically... Mark << i saw a bodeans cd on ebay at $102 , which i thought was staggerring on several levels. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:30:02 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: The collector's dilemma ////////and , apropos of nothing , that luxuria japanese box-set went for $222. fuck me that is a lot of money. i don't think i've ever seen a "post punk" item go for that much. i've got an acetate of "secondhand daylight" , must be way rarer (and far better) than 2 japanese cd's. maybe i'll note down the buyers address and mail him next time i'm skint. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:38:47 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: THESE Records (sorry if this is spam!) These records are the shop tha gave away Dome posters! Anyway I thought this might be of interest to some since the Residents have been discussed here a fair bit. Also they have New Order's Video 586 & the Faust box & lots more. > new things : in our vicinity... > consumable plastics in an alphabetical ordering, > find the gems amongst the rubble... > > BAILEY, BRYARS, OXLEY > Joseph Holbrooke 98 > incus CD #10.50 > recordings from a reunion concert, playing together > for the first time in thirty two years. measured and > sure contributions from all players. in just under > forty minutes the trio just make the time fly > by...or stand still...they make it sound so easy. > > BARK! > Swing > matchless CD #10.00 > rex casswell: electric guitar, phillip marks: > percussion, paul obermayer: electronics. a year 2000 > studio recording, split into nine sections. without > a doubt a genuinely searching, collection of > improvisations. not an album as such, maybe about a > third of the material would have benefitted the > whole by some more judicious use of the scissors > tool. > > BIOSPHERE > Substrata 2 > touch double CD #14.00 > re-issues the 1997 album substrata in re-mastered > form, with a second disc featuring a previously > unreleased 1996 soundtrack to dziga vertovs man > with a movie camera and two extra tracks that came > with the limited japanese edition of substrata. > generally in the mold of european 1990s > ambient-techno (contradiction? what > contradiction?). very well produced, slowly paced > atmospheric dream music with a little more substance > than the usual washed out namby pambience. fold-out > double digipak. > > CD_SLOPPER > Saskiwoxi > or CD #10.00 > otherwise known as Florian Hecker and Oswald > Berthold [farmers manual]. previously fetured on or > some computer music and various compilations, this > is their first album. a multi-format release with 37 > minutes of audio for regular cd players, plus > dynamic html/text/pictures/java enclosures and audio > files compatable with pc, macintosh and linux > computer systems. hard edged, juddering shards of > digital prisms. > > CHARAOUI / LELY / WRIGHT > 396. > matchless CD #10.00 > difficult improvisations by yann charaoui: cymbals > and table top samplers, john lely: piano and > prepared bal-bal tarang and seymour wright: alto > saxophone. a careful and serious playing from three > young players dedicated to the improvisational > ouvre. > > DELBECQ > PianoBook > plush CD EP #7.00 > the piano playing of benont delbecq with electronic > assistance and obstacles by steve arg|elles. a > performance recording where the raw sources are > transmuted into layers of delay, loops and further > mutations, which then provide new backings for the > piano to play over (and so on and so). six tracks > clocking in at thirty-three minutes. completely on > its own in the plush catalogue to date. no beats or > breaks. melodic, evocative and inventive. > > DUMB TYPE > Memorandum > cci CD #14.00 > the japanese multidisciplinary troupes latest show, > with sound entirely by ryoki ikeda this time. a lot > nearer to regular electronic soundtracks than his > solo releases, with similarities to simon > fisher-turners work for derek jarmans films > [turner provides some voice overs here too]. > expensive japanese import price. minimal packaging. > somewhat run of the mill in a cine-pretentious kind > of way. > > DUMB TYPE > [OR] > foil CD #14.00 > new pressing of the multi-media show soundtrack, > featuring music from ryoji ilkeda and toru yamanaka. > sorry, more expensive than previous. nothing we can > do about this. > > JOHN DUNCAN , GIULIANA STEFANI > Palace of Mind > allquestions CD #12.50 > new full length studio release on the self-produced > allquestions imprint. one index, fifty minutes of > serious sonics derived from data files, shortwave > and voice. seamlessly segues from one section to the > next. evocative and finely tuned material that > reaches the parts other abstracted electronic > releases cannot reach. deceptively subtle and well > constructed psycho-acoustics. limited pressing. > > JOHN DUNCAN/C.M. VON HAUSSWOLFF/DITTERICH VON > EULER-DONNERSPERG > untitled single > die stadt 7 single #6.50 > another in the series of limited editions, produced > for die stadt concerts. six locked-grooves by john > duncan and one track each from the others. numbered > edition of 500. > > EARTH > Live 070796 > or one-sided LP #5.00 > one sided black vinyl album with black label in > black shrinkwrapped cover from the culty american > guitar duo. does anyone remember smell the glove? > Dylan Carson & Ian Dixson live at the hyperstrings > festival, vienna, 96 their first official release > for five years. the press blurb says file under > live archive recordings/drone-stoned/ambient > metal. > > MORTON FELDMAN > routine investigations... > montaigne CD #10.00 > ensemble recherche tackle: routine investigations, > the viola in my life, for frank ohara, > i met heine on the rue f|rstenberg. new series of > cheaper price montaigne releases. exceptional > performances and recording quality. fuller reviews > of the montaine series soon... > > FENNESZ > Endless Summer > mego CD #10.00 > mego LP # t.b.c. > announced some time back, so somewhat hotly > anticipated, the new fennesz is what is generally > termed a real return to form in journalistic music > critical circles. contrasting to the previous > releases (plus forty degrees and the touch live > cd-r) the noise is kept to a minimum and more music > is allowed to flow through the digital code. more in > tune with the groundbreaking fennesz plays single, > the main part of the album re-processes and > organises acoustic guitar, which is back audiably to > the fore. shorter tracks and more melody. extremely > defty executed pleasurable listening. a real gem. > (due in stock in two to three weeks time - enquire > for availablity, or if ordered now your package will > be sent as soon as the stock arrives). > > KEIJI HAINO & DEREK BAILEY > Songs > incus CD #10.50 > songs..... bailey a lot of you will know, haino a > number of you will probably know. you either love > him or hate him, hes not an aquired taste. haino > does his thing with derek. > > RUSSELL HASWELL > Live Salvage 1997 - 2000 > mego CD #10.00 > harsh, mashed-up, digital black mirror. first > release by OR label founder and underground art > interventionalist. culled from live performances in > vastly different circumstances, from brixtons 121 > squat to the south bank centres queen elizabeth > hall. haswells dj and laptop sets have long been > known to aggitate, the first replayable version is > packaged as a high gloss/high matt, destined for > fingerprints digipak with cover photography by > wolfgang tilmans. unrelenting, not overwhelming. > deliberately spikey, many contrasts throughout. edgy > digital audio cut-up and processing with the raw > nerves of live performance. > > C.M. VON HAUSSWOLFF > Operations of Spirit Communication > die stadt LP #10.50 > a beautifully packaged release. full colour gatefold > sleeve, looking very much like a long lost 1970s > curio. following on the heels of hausswolffs > curatorship of exhibitions and compiling for release > friedrich jurgenssons archives (who minimally > features here), the title explains the intent. a > major obsession for the elgaland-vargaland crew (cf: > elgrenns talking to a dead queen). forty seven > minutes of low, slowly oscillating tone with extra > intervention from either c.m. or elsewhere (...?). > minimal, curious. segued or laminated from seven > different installation events. > > KONTAKT der J\NGLINGE > One > die stadt CD #10.50 > document of live performance at the largerhaus, > bremen, december 1999. collaborative project by > thomas kvner and asmus tietchens. a straight record > of what happened. somewhat sprawling and at times a > bit of a mess, as live performances often can be. > theres interest for the fans here, but not for > those who dont know the practitioners already. very > small amount available. first in a series of > suchlike live documents. > > MAINPAL INV. > Nokia > mainpal 7 picture disc #5.00 > colourful heavy picture disc by kristian goodiepal > vesper, under his recent mainpal guise. draws from > the nokia advertising jingle [connecting people]. > and elegantly weaves rings around it. deftly > executed and economical computer music. > > MIRROR > Islands > die stadt double LP #16.00 > guitar derived double album by andreas martin, > christoph heeman and andrew chalk. beautifully > produced gatefold cover. extremely mellow and > drone-based. disc one features four studio tracks > and disc two is a live recording. blue vinyl edition > of 500 copies. > > MIRROR > Front Row Centre > die stadt LP #10.50 > second pressing on clear vinyl, small amount of > copies include the original insert from the first > pressing. > > NEW ORDER > Video 586 > touch CD EP #4.00 > newly re-pressed after some time. an early version > of what became the well trodden perfect pop form, > all clumpy sequencing, raw production and hookys > two note basslines on this demo. a completists curio > or electro pop historical grail of sorts, originally > used as the music to open the legendary hagienda > (r.i.p.). the early factory years are to be showing > near you as a major new feature film (unfortunately > true, folks). > > TUJIKO NORIKO > Shojo Toshi > mego CD #10.00 > well produced, sampled and synthesised musical > backings. very pop, sometimes beat-driven, but often > subtle and melodic songs. very japanese. very cute. > very un-mego, and good for it. a complete and utter > anomaly on this list > > ORIGINAL MASTER > Hotflush > plush CD EP #7.00 > original master are ashley slater and steve > arg|elles. the most staight ahead, dance based > release on the label so far. percussive, > sample-spiced, unobtrusive, mid-paced and > mildly-pitched dancefloor material with more than a > twist of jazz. theres very little thump, thump, > thump on this label as arg|elles is a real drummer, > so subsequently the rhythm programs and samples > actually move some. very well produced and packaged > in the generic plush envelope with info sticker. six > tracks, thirty-one minutes. > > PURE > The End of Vinyl > mego 12 picture disc #6.50 > full-size twelve inch picture disc version of the > now deleted 3cd. the same material as before, one > side has the cd-label, the flip has the cd surface. > very limited collectors piece. > > TERRY RILEY > Bird of Paradise / Mescalin Mix > organ of corti CD #13.50 > the most recently released, though first catalogue > number in the riley archive series, covering the > earliest experiments with the tape-loop and delay > systems. music for the gift (1963), features the > chet baker quintet, cut, spliced and re-modelled, > the two tape epics - bird of paradise(1965) and > mescalin mix (1960-62) plus concert for two > pianos and five tape recorders (1961), radio > broadcast (including announcements) by riley and la > monte young. the first three pieces are the real > essentials here. raw, unpolished experiments. > > ROSENBERG > Single > bottrop-boy 7 #5.00 > almost instantly collectable collaboration between > peter rehberg and rosy parlane. two short pieces, > grey vinyl, picture sleeve, extremely limited. > > KEITH ROWE > Harsh, guitar solo > grob CD #14.00 > live recordings from november 1999. three sections: > quite, very, extremely. excellent performances from > one of the undisputed innovators of extended guitar > technique. mirrored by rowes complimentary drawings > featured on the sleeve and explanatory notes. harsh > it is, though not noise. rowe always defines his own > terms and describes his own landscape. inspiring and > difficult material. no compromise. > > THE SENSATIONAL GUITARS OF DAN & DALE (SUN RA BLUES > PROJECT) > Batman and Robin > universe LP #15.00 > total curio from 1966. twanging guitars, straight > ahead arrangements, full colour heavy card gatefold > sleeve with pics of batman and robin. ?? all true. > > SUN RA > Lanquidity > philly jazz LP #16.00 > new vinyl pressing of the 1978 album, also recently > released on cd as one of the latest batch of > evidence issues. a good cut and pressing, facsimile > heavy card cover. if youre still looking for a nice > accessable ra album to try out, this would be a > great one to start with. very approachable, straight > clear production and some straight ahead loping and > laid-back rhythms. also still available on evidence > cd for #13.50 > > SUN RA > The Other Side of the Sun > universe CD #13.50 > universe LP #15.00 > top quality re-issues continue to arrive. heavy card > covers and weighty vinyl. 1979 release > in an energetically relaxed cosmo-jazz feel. joyful > noise real music pleasure. > another good one to start with... > > SUN RA > Strange Celestial Road > celestial LP #10.50 > new issue of the well known and widely travelled.... > another very accesable album, > cleanly and inventively produced, a little bit more > soul styled than usual. > > VARIOUS/REMIXES 2000 > Re:Beat > plush CD EP #7.00 > using arg|elles break and beat shop sample cd as > base source material, a host of remixers: tagomago, > dj nem, req, drbone, delbecq, packe and ferrari (not > luc) springboard from there to create a diverse > bunch of rhythmic rehashes. the beat and break shop > is drums and percussion only, so all music is > additional. eight tracks, thirty-four minutes. > > VARIOUS > Plush Selection Two > plush 12 e.p. #8.00 > selections from the second batch of plush cdeps - > hotflush, re:beat, pianobook. a well compiled > sampling of the new recordings with the benefits of > bass-heavy vinyl technology to assist the more > dancefloor friendly tracks. > > VARIOUS > Dun Sihcle ` Lautre [from one century to the next] > montaigne triple CD #20.00 > everything you ever wanted to know about music of > the 20th century...but were afraid to listen > trumpets the sticker on the front cover. a classical > music primer organised in chronological order, which > doesnt cover everything, but a great deal. > organised as the precursors, the classics and > yesderday, today and tomorrow. starting with > janacek and mahler, ending with ligeti, kagel, > stockhausen et al. the pieces are excerpts of > course. > > THE V/VM SECTION. theres too many of them to > review, they keep coming out. some of them are very > dubious in quality indeed. others you can listen to. > take your pick with next to no guidance from us > whatsoever.... > > THE EXPERIENCE > One Amazing Day > v/vm CD #7.00 > recordings by Ivan and Chesh, made at the Millennium > Dome [r.i.p.], london, during its unremarkable year > of existance. spliced together, small snippets from > all the contrasting horror of the different > exhibits. > > ALIEN PORNO MIDGETS The High Altitude Porno Waikiki > Beach... > v/vm 3 CD #5.25 > eight more variations on the mutant hawaiian > madness. > > HelpAphexTwin/1.0 We Dont Give a Shit... > v/vm 3 CD #5.25 > windowlicker, ventolin, logon rock witch and four > more treatments of or about the twin. > > HelpAphexTwin/2.0 ...Because You Dont Give a Fuck > v/vm 3 CD #5.25 > come to daddy, come on you slags and three more get > the treatment. > > Noise/Girl > v/vm 12' e.p. #6.00 > > Sick Love > v/vm LP #6.50 > > there are quite a few other v/vm releases too, but > weve left them off as theyre too awful. > > back in stock / STOP PRESS / JUST IN: > > THE RESIDENTS > Meet the Residents > euro ralph CD #11.00 > essential. the first released album from 1973. some > of the rawest and most diversely inventive material > produced by the fab foursome as they find their > feet. > > THE RESIDENTS > Duck Stab/Buster & Glen > euro ralph double 3CD #11.50 > the two commercial breakthrough e.ps, re-mastered > as two three inch discs. short pop songs, and lots > of them. includes the hits- constantinople, blue > rosebuds, hello skinny and many many more. > > THE RESIDENTS > Commercial Album > Euro Ralph CD #11.00 > 1980 album of jingles/pop tunes. forty one minute > songs. uneven, but the pros outweight the cons > easily... > > THE RESIDENTS > God in Three Persons / Instrumental Excerpts from... > euro ralph double CD #12.50 > their rock opera from 1988, one of the more > listenable and epic of the later works, where the > concept is almost strong enough to carry the album. > a movie for the ears with narration throughout, some > beautiful music and not too many songs. the second > disc features instrumental only selections from the > piece. > > SNAKEFINGER > Greener Postures / Manual of Errors > euro ralph double CD #14.00 > guitarist and singer-songwriter extraordinaire > phillip lithmans finest albums, with co-writing, > production and instrumental backing from the > residents. dating from 1979 and 1980, when the > eyeballs were in their post-eskimo commercial > phase. > > BOXES > > FAUST > The W|mme Years 1970-73 > rer recommended 5CD Box Set #42.00 > second (and final) pressing of the definitive box, > collecting very nearly all the released music > produced by the original group. the albums included > are: Faust, So Far, The Faust Tapes, 71 minutes > of.., and BBC Sessions + (their 73 radio sessions, > plus the additional tracks from the last lp and > music and elsewhere that were left off the 71 > minutes cd). > all the music has been newly remastered and > genuinely benefits, hearing it all afresh there is > more space, detail and movement in the mixes (with > the sad exception of faust tapes which still loses > some from being mastered off vinyl, though its a > marked improvement on the previous issue, plus has > tracks indexed for the first time). writing and > vocal attributation clears up many of the who did > what issues, which is further extrapolated in the > booklets fascinating interviews with kurt graupner, > uwe nettelbeck, joachim irmler and jean-hervi peron. > appraising it all together, this crazy project > produced an astounding range of material, that > really stands as a body of work. defiantly seperate > in method from the reformed troupe (and from reading > the background material you see why, from learning > where the inspirations and talents lay), infinately > more focussed as a project. still the real stuff. > dont be fooled by pale imitations. essential. > > THE RESIDENTS > Our Tired, Our Poor, Our Huddled Masses > euro ralph 4 CD Box #42.00 > retrospective box-set. the first two discs are > compiled from concentrate versions of all the albums > from 1972 to 1996, picking prime moments and seguing > them into miniatures. if you already have most of > this better material in full length form, not > essential, but probably the best > overview/introduction to date. disc three is a > singles history from 72-97, including the > essentials, excepting the santa dog e.p. (only one > track from this throughout the whole set), namely > the two stunners: satisfaction/loser=weed, and > the beatles play the residents and the residents > play the beatles, which are both still incomparable > in the extreme. the final disc is compiled from > various unreleased studio outtakes, oddities et al. > and the essential must have the box for item here > is fourteen minutes from the never released second > album baby sex. words fail. obviously theres a > lot of dubious cuts from the 80s onwards, but the > exclusive specials and old classics clinch it as an > ownable item. > > t-shirt > THE UNCERTAINTY PRINCIPLE > XXLarge black t-shirt with white logo. > touch t-shirt #10.00 > a new version of the classic touch t-shirt, now > re-designed with an updated version of the formula. > probably the best t-shirt of the twentieth and > twenty-first century so far. > > irdial discs stock > now with prices for a complete listing of the > remaining irdial stocks we have send us an e-mail > with IRDIALLIST as the subject. > > CHARRM > very few remaining stocks of the original charrm > releases. everything else is deleted. if you want > one, send us an e-mail with CHARRMLIST as the > subject. > > UPCOMINGS: EVENTS > > TOUCH 2001 > BIOSPHERE, HAZARD, FENNESZ > with visuals by Jony Easterby, Jon Wozencroft & > Heitor Alvelos > remaining dates of this months six date tour are... > > GLASGOW Tramway > Thursday 24 [tonight!] > 0141 287 3900 www.tramway.org > > NEWCASTLE Playhouse > Saturday 26 > 0191 230 5151 www.northernstage.com > > SALISBURY Arts Centre > Monday 28 > 01722 320333 www.salisburyfestival.co.uk > > judging on mondays gig at the queen elizabeth hall, > well worth seeing if your in the vicinity for > fennesz storming performance. > > full details at > http://www.touch.demon.co.uk/tour.html > > > > > > RETAIL CALLERS > as per usual we are open for custom @ 112 brook > drive from 12.00 midday until 5.30p.m., mondays > through to (and including) saturdays. > > > harnel aoot! > > these > > these records > 112 brook drive > london > se11 4tq > tel: +44 (0)207 587 5349 > fax: +44 (0)207 582 5278 > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > If you have joined THESE Records by accident or > someone else has > joined you without your permission, or > if you ever want to remove yourself from THESE > Records > simply visit > http://www.buzzvortal.com/cgi-bin/theselist.cgi?action=unsubscribe&submitemail=crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk > and you will be automatically removed. > > > ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 00:30:43 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: The collector's dilemma charles wrote :- CDs have absolutely no collectable value to me as objects; They're more a commodity or (even worse)a container; does anyone agree? absolutley... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 00:49:44 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Monaconono Mark wrote :- 'What do you want from me?' was basically New Order with a different singer who sounded very much like Barney. Prime Hookmeister bassline, oft-used on Sky Sports compilations of goals going in etc... yeah, i know...hated it!! sorry... ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 00:47:57 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - the classical treatment Stephen wrote re:- "The Eternal -Variations on Joy Division" by the nau ensemble. Has anyone else heard this fine/foul record ? yes, bits. as usual, an interesting idea in theory... Metallica also had the same treatment, with similar results, eg, 'yeah, ok, so...?' ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:55:16 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: The collector's dilemma oh yeah...my buddies and I went through this back when CD's were first showing up. Some music is just better to listen to when it comes off the vinyl replete with all the buzzes and pops and whatnots (especially the damn whatnots). How do you know which record is yours? Why listen to it of course! Hard to say that about a CD. And yes, I've got a few favorite albums that I can only listen to if I put a penny on the tonearm. I got the Easy CD Creator Platinum because it lets me record tapes and vinyl to the computer and to CD and I can clean up all the noise IF I want to. So I'm recording my tapes and vinyl to CD, but for the most part I'm not cleaning up anything...just a few major pops (and of course those have a life history of their own "got that scratch the night Brian stumbled out of the bathroom and knocked the whole turntable off the shelf...") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 01:03:50 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - the collector's dilemma Phillip wrote :- >are there any female list members? three to my knowledge. there's alice, katherine and kelly. come on girls, any of you do the alphabetical thing? are there any more out there lurking in a similar fashion? >Are there any list members who DON'T feel any need to be completists? me. never understood that 'keep it in the shrinkwrap' mentality. i've known several people who buy two copies of every Bowie release, but don't seem to be as passionate about music, in general, than me. i've got a lot of Wire, Joy Div/New Order and Fall but certainly not everything by any of them. if there's something i'd really like to have that's hard to get hold of, ie, the 'Mannequin' EP, i'd like to just let it come to me, leave it to fate, if you will. bootlegs are another thing that i stopped being bothered about a long time ago. having done a radio show in the past, i do have a lot of promo copies, etc., the only thing that i haven't opened and played is the 'paracetamol' CD package of Spiritualized's 'Ladies & Gentlemen...', for two reasons, one, because i'm not a massive fan anyway and yes, two, it might be worth a few bob in time! ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:51:43 +1000 From: "Phillip Blakeney" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: The collector's dilemma PaulRabjohn said: "I never met a male music fan who didn't store everything in alphabetical order. I've never met a woman who can be bothered to store anything (books, records, whatever) in alphabetical order. discuss" //// Actually I think you are right. One of the hallmarks of the 'collection' is that it is categorised and inventorised. Non-collectors just don't get it. My wife has an obsessive hate of what she terms clutter. I will install all my records and CDs alphabetically (actually not STRICTLY alphabetical, they are subdivided (each individually alphabetical) into collecting interests, all the Wire stuff, all the 70s punk stuff, all the Australian Prog rock, etc etc, and an all the rest category. Of course this raises problems of categorisation when something crosses into two groups !) and then I put them *on display*. Of course this display is clutter, so its a constant battle. //// I heard some idiot women on radio doing talkback on feng shui. She made the point that this curious set of principles, at least as practiced in the west, dictates that the household be clutter free, so I reckon feng shui is a (female) conspiracy to get us to put our music collection and other STUFF behind closed cupboard doors. Paul Pietromonaco said: (re: Instant Sheds two 7" sides) "Play them both simultaneously on your computer for the desired effect." //// Uh oh, now I need to get TWO opened copies and two turntables to do this properly! J Giluz said: "Don't get me wrong I value my Wire vinyls, or any other rare item in my collection, but I wouldn't buy them for thieir rareness, just for the plain fact that I don't have that recording in my collection" //// Aaah, but completism doesn't necessarily equate to rareness, it's just that the thrill of the chase eventually focuses on the hard to get items because that's all that left after you get the easy ones. To the true collector perhaps the worst thing is to actually complete the set: what do you do then?? Phillip - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #164 *******************************