From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #156 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, May 22 2001 Volume 04 : Number 156 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] You Made Me Realise ["giluz" ] [idealcopy] If You Need Extra Copies [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: [idealcopy] V/Vm Virus Mutates Without A Sound [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Next Big Thing Syndrome/This Weeks Picks [Tim Robinson Subject: RE: [idealcopy] You Made Me Realise > I was grasping at something without quite realising > it. Giluz made me realise! When it comes down to it 12 > Times You is the logical progression from Take It via > The First Letter (Vien) to Wire (Now!). Perhaps? In retrospect, most things have a logical progression to them - I don't know if you remember, but before the RFH gig most people here (including myself) were expecting the new Wire incarnation to be heavily electronics oriented. It seemed logical then, considering Wire's 80's stuff and the way electronics became dominant since. > The First Letter is actually (to my ears) an > amalgamated mutation of a hybrid of Reuters and Over > Theirs and I have to say I think it is a VERY > important step in the Wire story which some might be > in danger of overlooking. > This was where the 'retrospective' phase began > perhaps. Or was it with Take It, taking a smple from > Strange? Also The First Letter was drastically > reworked by the Hafler Trio... I actually don't think so - I don't find 80's Wire retrospective in any sense. Also, if you want to find anything leading to the current Wire, I would rely more on Wire's solo efforts in the last 10 years than on their last incarnation. > Giluz>>>90's audio manipulation usually tried to > conceal the analogue nature of its sources, and was > also about using samples taken from other sources, not > created independantly. > > Actually quite a lot of people have sampled their own > playing... Robert Hampson of Main (who of course was > massively influenced by Wire and made a great album in > collaboration with Bruce Gilbert) springs instantly to > mind here. The Deliquesce live album is a record of a > performance where he manipulates samples of his guitar > from 4 CD-ROMs. Of course Lewis was sampling Gilbert's > guitar on his SK1 at Wire gigs. I was, of course referring to the general consensus - of course there were lots of people that used their own samples. I still think that the ethos of the times was about ripping off existing samples and manipulating them so that they'd become something completely different. But even when using self-made samples, they weren't used in the same way as Colin did - it is one thing to make a sample and use it alongside others, it's something completely different to take a song, deconstruct it to samples and reconstruct it from them. cheers, giluz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:52:14 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: [idealcopy] If You Need Extra Copies On Returning Wire - Release date 07-02-2000 CD #6.99 154 Wire - Release date 26-07-1999 CD #5.99 Available from HMV.co.uk in association with NME.com C The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:36:30 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] V/Vm Virus Mutates Without A Sound Graeme, >>Also V/Vm are not students, they are professional butchers. Someone who likes Radiohead and REM doesn't really have much room to complain about so called 'student' shtick.>> oooooOOOooo!! the reference was to student "HUMOUR". Shtick I'm fine with ;-) Having downloaded several vvm tracks I feel absolutely vindicated BTW. Utter wank, every second of it. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 02:28:58 +0100 From: Tim Robinson Subject: [idealcopy] Next Big Thing Syndrome/This Weeks Picks Andew Lumbard wrote: Got my tickets for The Strokes in Oxford. Am I going to see 'this years thing'? Not sure, press is bubbling away for them but I haven't heard em. Bound to get an NME cover if Missy Elliot, Eminem, Linkin Park or Fred Durst are too busy. What do they sound like? ian wrote probably yes, but there's a lot worse 'this year's things' around than them. Yes. Starsailor spring to mind. Cor must have taken them ages to think of that name! How shit is that? Elastica were pretty naff but at least they didn't call themselves Pink Flag or Mr Suit or someting. This is no criticism of The Strokes or Andrews cos I haven't heard them but I must admit I get really pissed off with this 'press darlings' thing because it seems to be getting more common. It means that promoters fight over a few 'hot' acts who get some good press, then annouce a tour which sells out like mad. Meanwhile more marginal stuff suffers. Mouse on Mars were supposed to play here (Manchester) last month but it was cancelled because they didn't sell as many tickets in advance as Starsailor, Alfie or whatever is this weeks big thing. Even Tortoise seemed to be sparsely attended. I guess one problem is you can't rely on students anymore because they are more interested in dropping E's in Wanktasia nightclub with DJ Judge Jules playing 'Uplifiting funky Vocal House' than seeing a live band. Never mind poor old Ian Curtis....Attack the dance music mafia V/vm if you really wanna make some waves you bastards. Damon & Naomi (Ex-Galaxie 500) played a lovely set last week in our local indie-pit, but the promoters (the appropriately named Mean Fiddler) tried to cancel it due to slow ticket sales. As it happens they had 100 or so punters after D&M argued with Mean Fiddler and played for no fee! I spoke to Damon after the show and he said he had never been treated so badly by a promoter...and he's been around a few years. - ----------------------- And as a footnote here are my list-friendly and very short record reviews : Squarepusher - My Red Hot Car (A-Side UK Garage pisstake..B-Side Ambient Horror clouds of doom. This is more like it.) Ovuca - Wasted Sunday (Best ambient record ever to come from Finland...but maybe too sweet for BeeChasers) Beach Boys - Hawthorne, CA (Another rarities collection. A few incredible tracks. The rest of it is pure Beach Boy politics. Old tunes but the track selection is so indicative of where the BBs are at these days. Everyone gets their moment of glory apart from Al Jardine due to pending lawsuits. In 20 years time when they are all dead we'll get to hear the really cool stuff they are too scared to release. Madness!) Low - Transmission EP (Re-issue. Top this V/vm.....ooh look at me I'm dressed as chicken. Ho Ho) Autechre - Confield. (fizzzzzzzzzzzzzzfizzzyfizzyfizzyfizzyssssssssssssssssssBoomskaddlyboomskaboomCHAKKCHAKKSCREEEEBOOMBOOM...that sort of thing....ace! As usual needs 20 or so listens to get the thing. Its Puzzle Techno! ) Mogwai - Rock Action : (Short on white-noise workouts, made up for by introduction of actual tunes. Sad and very pretty in parts. Shits on the last LP anway.) ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #156 *******************************