From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #154 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, May 20 2001 Volume 04 : Number 154 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] ooperzootics on the brain [Paul Pietromonaco ] [idealcopy] Wir [mflaher3@triton.cc.il.us] [idealcopy] RE: OT Yes, The Residents do suck ["wiremailorder.com" ] RE: [idealcopy] off topic-sporting themes ["Andrew Lumbard" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 02:39:02 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] ooperzootics on the brain >It almost seems as if it's the album that comes right >after 154. There. What do you think of that? Well, since you asked....(^_^) I think The First Letter sounds like the album that comes right after Manscape & The Drill. (And, not just because it really did, either) To me, Wire albums have seemed like a continuous flow - from Pink Flag to Chairs Missing to 154 and from The Ideal Copy to A Bell Is A Cup... to IBTABA to Manscape to The Drill to The First Letter to The Third Day, I hear a definite progression. If you put Document and Eyewitness and Turns and Strokes, and some of the solo albums (like A-Z, for example) in between 154 and The Ideal Copy, it fills in the missing years quite nicely, IMHO. Unlike some bands who seem to be able to revisit certain periods at will (like the Smashing Pumpkins, for example - the last new song they released - "untitled" - sounded like it could have come off of Siamese Dream), Wire seem to be "of the moment". Whatever space Wire is in *right now* is how they sound. The new version of Pink Flag, for example, is not something the 70's version of Wire could have created. At least, that's my opinion. (^_^) Worth whatever grain of salt you like. >The First Letter is as excellent a Wire album as exists, >despite the absence of Robert whom we all admire enormously. The First Letter is a pretty good Wire album, I'll agree. I rate it quite highly, although not as highly as some of their 80's albums. But as has been mentioned in previous IdealCopy e-mail threads, that's (mostly) just me. (^_^) Also, I think that it's quite safe to say we all admire Robert. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 16:31:59 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] off topic-sporting themes paul c.d. wrote :- personally i prefer the colourbox world cup theme, now you're talking paul, possibly the greatest piece of sports related music ever, let alone of football. ...apart from maybe... 'Drop Kick Me Jesus, Through The Goalposts Of Life'. ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 16:32:46 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] 1st letter re : First Letter, craig wrote :- Nice to see this album finally get some positive thoughts on the list. i've always thought it was an interesting lp, despite the already stated production misgivings which i agree with. it's miles better than... no..., i don't want to start that debate again... ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 10:48:51 CST6CDT From: mflaher3@triton.cc.il.us Subject: [idealcopy] Wir > From: Wireviews > Subject: [idealcopy] First Letter > > >>>Seems to be increasingly > scarce. I've been looking for it for a while to no > avail. >>> > > It's still in print -- try http://www.mute.com and get > it direct from their mail order service... Yes, but he said he can't use mailorder because of his mail growing legs. Finding this in a shop in the US might be tough. > Nice to see this album finally get some positive > thoughts on the list. As I've said before, it's my favorite from the second phase. Nothing against Robert, by the way, I think the other 3 just happened to hit on some things I really liked at that moment. While it does seem to be more popular here these days, I never got the impression it was UNpopular exactly ... certainly not as unpopular as Manscape (but we don't want to start THAT one again. ;) Michael Flaherty - ------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Triton College's Web E-Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 10:53:30 -0500 From: "wiremailorder.com" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: OT Yes, The Residents do suck I completely agree with you Dave; I do like the Commercial Album, and Diskomo/Goosebumps still is worth a laugh, but most every Residents song goes dump-de-dump-do-weeeeeeee - completely overrated, as is most every band out of SF.. charles shop@wiremailorder.com http://www.wiremailorder.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 13:24:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wir On Sat, 19 May 2001 mflaher3@triton.cc.il.us wrote: > > >>>Seems to be increasingly > > scarce. I've been looking for it for a while to no > > avail. >>> > > > > It's still in print -- try http://www.mute.com and get > > it direct from their mail order service... > > Yes, but he said he can't use mailorder because of his mail growing legs. > Finding this in a shop in the US might be tough. Well, it could be mailed to work, maybe - or maybe he could solve his walking mail problem by renting a PO Box (might be worth the cost), or mail it to a friend with a more secure box. Don't record stores near you special order stuff? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::You think your country needs you, but you know it never will:: __Elvis Costello__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 20:33:31 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] off topic-sporting themes >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On >> Behalf Of ian jackson >> Sent: 19 May 2001 16:32 >> To: idealcopy >> Subject: [idealcopy] off topic-sporting themes >> >> >> paul c.d. wrote :- >> personally i prefer the colourbox world cup theme, >> >> now you're talking paul, possibly the greatest piece of >> sports related music ever, let alone of football. >> ...apart from maybe... >> 'Drop Kick Me Jesus, Through The Goalposts Of Life'. >> >> ian.s.j. Blinding track, but was it ever used as a theme on tv or radio? On a similar subject was GBV's The Official Ironman Rally Song ever use in an official capacity? Got my tickets for The Strokes in Oxford. Am I going to see 'this years thing'? AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 15:39:08 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 3 points / 1 question Paul, << 1. following recommendation as a "great band" i dug out my copies of the crammed compilations and played that tuxedomoon track ("atlantis"). is that typical of them? bit dull i thought and very "eighties"<< Not really. Try something like Holy Wars or Desire. Never really bought their stuff (same as the Residents) - got quite a good compilation from a mate who loves 'em though. Must play it again... >> 2. well i thought colin's pony tail looked very cool and it is very unfair to compare it with the fashion catastrophe that was graham's mullet/ski pants period.<< Fortunately all the "bad hair days" for various Wire members happened at different times. Bruce's girly John Cale hair in the early 80s deserves an honourable mention... Good to see our politicians assaulting mullet-wearers. Rightfully so. >>3. still think TFL is one that gets better as time passes by. << Never loved it, as with M****ape. Both have their moments though... >> Q1 ; (trivia trivia)my copy of "its a crammed crammed world" has a sticker saying there was a free single , mine had lost it before it got to me. anyone know what this was? p >> My IACCW was itself a freebie, with It Seems... Freebies with freebies, whatever next? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:02:11 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] off topic-Residents / renaldo & the Loaf > Oh, I don't know - at any rate, I rather like _Songs for Swinging Larvae_ > and _Arabic Yodelling_. I think it was a bit downhill after that, but > still worth listening to. I really liked these albums, but never heard any of the others they made, except for that album they did with the residents, which was great, I thought. Don't know why they'd be slagged off at this list, though - they were a good experimental band. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:29:05 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Minimal Compact/Tuxedomoon > > 1. following recommendation as a "great band" i dug out my copies of the > crammed compilations and played that tuxedomoon track > ("atlantis"). is that > typical of them? bit dull i thought and very "eighties" > > > I agree this is not their most exciting track. It is from the > Ship of Fools > album. One side three tracks, the other let's say music written > to be played > in a small french theatre. Small pieces on piano, combined with other > traditional classical instruments. Ship of Fools was one of their last albums and not their best. Half Mute (originally released on Ralph), Desire & Holy Wars contain their best stuff. > Are there some connections between Wire and Tuxedomoon? So far I know not > directly. Colin released also on Crammed those days. Maybe it's not Colin > who is the connection but Malka. Minimal Compact's 2nd album, Deadly Weapons, was produced by Gilles Martin and Tuxedomoon's Peter Principle, and also had guest appearance by Blaine L Reininger. I think it was on MC's behalf that Tuxedomoon had some limited success in Israel in the mid 80's, which also brought them here for some gigs. During some of these, Tuxedomoon did some gigs with Fortis' band, Jean Conflict (that was before he joined MC). There's the guest appearance of Fortis on Benjamin Lew's album, and a later album of Benjamin Lew with MC (and Oracle) singer Sami Birnbach. That's the connection as far as I know. giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #154 *******************************