From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #153 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, May 19 2001 Volume 04 : Number 153 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: Residents (last one???) ["Wilson, Paul" ] [idealcopy] Re: wonderful radio one [Howard Spencer ] [idealcopy] Re:sidentilly Un:sound ["ray\)\(o\)\(mac" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Residents (last one???) Before we end the Residents discussion, I'll just chip in with a couple of things. The Ralph Records 10th Anniversary Radio Special was re-released on CD a few years ago - I think it may be sold out now, as most Ralph releases are limited editions of between 1000 and 1500 copies. The Residents ordinary albums are NOT released by Ralph, but are on ESD in the US and EuroRalph in Europe (normally). The real punk or revolutionary Residents is probably the stuff from before Meet The Residents! Stuff like "Baby Sex" and "Warner Brothers Album". And this stuff pre-dates punk by a good 3 or 4 years. Yes - I have four Renaldo and the Loaf albums. Not classics, but one to try to get to listen to is "Songs for Swinging Larvae" which is excellent (the original banned video from which, appears on the Residents Icky Flix DVD. Also, their collaboration with the Residents "Title in Limbo" has some beautiful music on it! Hey, if you go to the gig in London, you can meet up with Brian Poole (Renaldo), as he'll be watching like the rest of us! I take the point about a "best band". I used the term because the TV Personalities are the only band that I have stuck with totally, throughout their history. They have always entertained, and never really disappointed. The Residents are up there with them because of the whole thing that surrounds them. They are much more than just a rock / pop group. Check out the "Bad Day" CD-Rom game. Or even the "Freak Show" CD-Rom. Miles ahead of anything other bands were were doing. They can really be classed as a multimedia group. And can be appreciated on numerous levels. The music is sometimes a little weak, but there's so much else about them, that they always have something interesting to offer. Which Rez song would I want to never be without? This is a real tough one. I'd have to choose the "Not Available" album. It's too hard to pick just one song - it would change every week. Current favourite is probably "Six More Miles" from the Snakey Wake CD. rezMole THE MOLES For all things Residential www.theresidents.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 02:49:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] First Letter >>>Seems to be increasingly scarce. I've been looking for it for a while to no avail. >>> It's still in print -- try http://www.mute.com and get it direct from their mail order service... Nice to see this album finally get some positive thoughts on the list. I've always been under the impression that despite some percussive lightness, TFL is a great album. It's a shame though that to hear a lot of the interesting stuff you need to wear 'phones. PK seems to be a rather conservative producer... Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:44:03 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: wonderful radio one >Since GLR was screwed over and turned into London Live (a less interesting >Radio 5, basically, whereas before it actually played decent music) I've been >listening to XFM in London recently - and again the DJs know absolutely jack >shit about music. You couldn't level that at the Smashie 'n' Nicey brigade. >They were knowledgeable - but just had poor taste. Beware the rose tinted lens, Mark. Simon Bates may have championed the odd decent record and shown an interest in what he was playing, but he was pretty much the exception. Noel Edmonds didn't have a record player at home, and DLT only had MOR soul tapes which he used to play in his car (ex. info. J.Peel esq.). Sara Cox(?) who has replaced Simon Mayo, is the one I find a particular irritant at the moment. And Jamie Theakston is on the same level as TV chefs. On the whole, I think the message is that nothing ever really changes much at wonderful R1. Other recent threads: Graham didn't have a mullet in Wir, at least not when I saw them. Colin's my little pony effort was certainly in evidence, and very regrettable it was. At the time I was sporting some sort of mushroom effort so I should not be casting nastursiums. I don't think New Order's Confusion is all that bad - at the time I think it was seen as a deliberate attempt to (further) distance themselves from the JD legacy. From that point of view, you can't knock it. Ra-ta ta ta-ta tah-tah hey! Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:37:47 -0500 From: "ray\)\(o\)\(mac" Subject: [idealcopy] Re:sidentilly Un:sound Not trying to start another backlash - but is there anyone else on the list who finds the Residents less than fascinating? I don't really dislike them all that much, just consider them a possible footnote, certainly not a chapter in the book of my life. Way back, when, I clerked in record stores there was a character (self-identified as "Clem") who affected an unconvincing imitation of a Tin-ih-see accent who would call all the stores in our chain (Harmony House in Metropolitan Deeetroit) and beleaguer the lame with inquiries such as: Clem: Hello, Frozen Record Department Please. Clerk: Excuse me? Clem: Frozen Record Department Please. Clerk: Can I help you? Clem: I'm looking for Es-Kee-Mo by the Residents. Clerk: This sort of thing went on for a couple years. On a more impactive note - I second Graeme's recommendation of Death Ambient and further it pretty much to every project in which Ms. Mori participates. (I prefer japanese girls who make noise, myself) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:20:22 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] 3 points / 1 question 1. following recommendation as a "great band" i dug out my copies of the crammed compilations and played that tuxedomoon track ("atlantis"). is that typical of them? bit dull i thought and very "eighties" 2. well i thought colin's pony tail looked very cool and it is very unfair to compare it with the fashion catastrophe that was graham's mullet/ski pants period. 3. still think TFL is one that gets better as time passes by. Q1 ; (trivia trivia)my copy of "its a crammed crammed world" has a sticker saying there was a free single , mine had lost it before it got to me. anyone know what this was? p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 03:03:28 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 3 points / 1 question Just one point > 1. following recommendation as a "great band" i dug out my copies of the crammed compilations and played that tuxedomoon track ("atlantis"). is that typical of them? bit dull i thought and very "eighties" > I agree this is not their most exciting track. It is from the Ship of Fools album. One side three tracks, the other let's say music written to be played in a small french theatre. Small pieces on piano, combined with other traditional classical instruments. Steven Brown and Blaine Reiniger did like the french romantic classical composers. Debussy, Ravel, Satie. Groupe de Six. Also film-music. Film-noir, Nouvelle Vague probably were their interests.Goddard, Herman. I saw them in a small alternative theatre those days and they made a nice event of this. Showing images with dia-projectors on the wall. There was a kind af melancholic romantic atmosphere in their music. Not that introvert like Japan did. More expressive. Probaly their best albums were Half-Mute and Desire from the early eighties. The best I have of them are two live-recordings from Dutch radio made after the Suite en sous-sol album. If JD life in Paradiso the best live recordings are this should be the best of Tuxedomoon I ever heard. P.S. What should be the best Life-recordings of Wire? Are there some connections between Wire and Tuxedomoon? So far I know not directly. Colin released also on Crammed those days. Maybe it's not Colin who is the connection but Malka. There are two albums in the Made to Measure serie of Crammed of Steven Brown with Benjamin Lew. Here is one guest musicians of Minimal Compact singing on. Rami Fortis. And on Benjamin Lew album Le Parfum du Raki from the same serie could Malka Spigel be heard. I remember written on a Malka Spigel-album My Pet Fish a Thanks to Benjamin Lew. A sample is used from the first Steven&Benjamin album Douzieme Journee etc. I asked Steven last year what happened to Benjamin Lew. He was not sure, but probably still somewhere in Belgium. Another connection On Colin's a Crammed solo record It Seems is playing Luc van Lieshout. He was a member of Tuxedomoon for a while. It seems Life has no past There is no time ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 21:09:16 -0500 (CDT) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] Who feels Ambitiously Hot? Having a window of time to catch up with IC (& all things Wire), The 1st Letter has recently been brought up here. With the exception of credit / merit of Robert missing, 1st letter pulls it through and ranks #2 close behind 154 in my mindset. Here is my opportunity to ask those of you who may know how 'It Continues' and 'A Big Glue Canal' seemingly both false start and if this is meant, dare I say production flaw, or each were one offs so good at the time, it was decided to use as is. It continues, even as 10 years have past, is still such a gem of a song, that I have come to terms as it being Wir's artistic freedom. Such a beautifully intertwined song! Encore!! Glue Canal ... well, false starts. Is the silence a (4:33?) Cage effect? Anyone else affected into a 'like hitting the aural reset button' by these two songs? Maybe it's simply magic from the craftsman's touch! Highly recommended (continued) listening for anyone who hasn't this in their music rotation. So, and slow, it grows on you! Anyway, as of this posting, I noticed 180 days left to WMO / http://www.wiremailorder.com (what afterwards, WMOUK?) and those of you ambitious enough to torch it, 100 days until: http://www.burningman.com (reference Tues 8, May / 11PM in IC digest for additional / misc links) Are you Hot? Get on Parade! voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 00:55:28 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] ooperzootics on the brain Glad to get off the Residents and vv whatever string and back to Wire or Wir even. Back in the early 90's I went to a friend's house for a birthday party (his daughter! - we are all somehow growing up against our will) and I saw some friends I hadn't seen in a while. We were veterans from the punk days and had last been together for the Wire concert in the late 80's. I brought The First Letter and played it for them; none of them had a clue as we had all given up Wire for dead. Half way thru track one - Take It - they were all grinning madly, tuned into Graham and Bruce and Colin. By the time we got to Naked, Whooping and Suchlike we were all Whooping and Suchlike (tho not Naked, as it was, after all, a child's birthday party). At least among my group of friends (and we have been Wire fans for more than 20 years now) The First Letter is as excellent a Wire album as exists, despite the absence of Robert whom we all admire enormously. It almost seems as if it's the album that comes right after 154. There. What do you think of that? Sean I got sand in my joints ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #153 *******************************