From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #150 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, May 16 2001 Volume 04 : Number 150 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 ["Wilson, Paul" ] RE: [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 ["giluz" ] Re: [idealcopy] OffTopic - Fred Frith [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 ["Wilson, Paul" ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] OffTopic - Fred Frith ["giluz" ] RE: [idealcopy] OffTopic - Fred Frith ["giluz" ] [idealcopy] residents live [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] OffTopic: residents live ["giluz" ] RE: [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 ["Wilson, Paul" ] [idealcopy] OTish: Strange REM [Wireviews ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 ["Wilson, Paul" ] [idealcopy] Re: meltdown 2001 ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] MICAHEL O'SHEA (WMO 12CD) [kevin eden ] Re: [idealcopy] ot: melting fred frith [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] OT - just a thought... [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] meltdown 2001 ["stephen graziano" ] Re: [idealcopy] residents live [Rick Hindman ] Re: [idealcopy] OT Amazon ["Ian B" ] [idealcopy] Coatings [HeySean@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT Amazon [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [idealcopy] residents live [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Coatings...Caveat emptor! [Rick Hindman ] RE: [idealcopy] OT Amazon ["giluz" ] RE: [idealcopy] OffTopic:residents live ["giluz" ] RE: [idealcopy] OffTopic:residents live [Rick Hindman ] [idealcopy] V/Vm ["ian jackson" ] [idealcopy] off topic-REMmmmmmmmmm ["ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 Well - The Residents. Best fucking band in the world. Get down and see it. The show will be great - even if you aren't a fan of theirs. During the show, they play their DVD (made up of almost ALL their videos since they started, some 30 years ago). They perform the songs live, of course, to the images from the DVD. Never seen this band play live? Well you should! This is a once-in-a-lifetime chance to see a "best of" performance by them. NOT TO BE MISSED. PS Meet in the Wellington pub, beforehand, if any of you decide to go. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:56:16 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 Couldn't agree more - they're great live. > Well - The Residents. Best fucking band in the world. Get down and see it. > The show will be great - even if you aren't a fan of theirs. During the > show, they play their DVD (made up of almost ALL their videos since they > started, some 30 years ago). They perform the songs live, of > course, to the > images from the DVD. Never seen this band play live? Well you should! This > is a once-in-a-lifetime chance to see a "best of" performance by them. > NOT TO BE MISSED. > PS Meet in the Wellington pub, beforehand, if any of you decide to go. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 06:30:25 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OffTopic - Fred Frith Giluz, << Always wondered if he's related to Simon Frith, rock theoretician -does anyone know? >> Simon Frith is English, but isn't Fred American? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 06:31:11 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 Paul, << Well - The Residents. Best fucking band in the world. >> You can't say that on the Wire list!!!! Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:43:41 +0100 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 Ooops, sorry. I meant to say "The Residents. Best band in the world". They take quite a bit of getting into, but the rewards are so great. Over the years they have produced some stunning pieces of work. And they are so radically different from most groups. Their output has been so varied. An album of 40 one minute songs. An album based on Eskimo culture (and sounds), a computer game and soundtrack, a CD-Rom based on Freak shows, An album and tour comprising curious stories from the bible, an album recorded and stored away, never to be heard (although it did get released after 4 years), reworkings of songs by famous composers, and the best fucking music DVD EVER! Pure entertainment, throughout the years. This band really do put Wire into the shade! -----Original Message----- From: MarkBursa@aol.com [mailto:MarkBursa@aol.com] << Well - The Residents. Best fucking band in the world. >> You can't say that on the Wire list!!!! Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 06:53:56 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 Paul, << Ooops, sorry. I meant to say "The Residents. Best band in the world". >> I wasn't pulling you up for swearing! >>This band really do put Wire into the shade! << I was pulling you up for this heresy!!!!!! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 06:59:28 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 an album recorded and stored away, never to be heard (although it did get released after 4 years), ////// well what a surprise! nice marketing lads. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:16:10 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OffTopic - Fred Frith > Giluz, > > << Always wondered if he's related to Simon > Frith, rock theoretician -does anyone know? > >> > > Simon Frith is English, but isn't Fred American? Fred's English, as far as I know. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:20:34 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OffTopic - Fred Frith > Giluz, > > << Always wondered if he's related to Simon > Frith, rock theoretician -does anyone know? > >> > > Simon Frith is English, but isn't Fred American? Definitely British, though he moved to NY in 1979 - check out http://fredfrith.com/, for more info about him. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:20:16 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] residents live just to say i recently read bill drummond's excellent "45" book. there's a really good chapter about the residents , he went to great efforts to see them in the mid-80's and was massively disappointed with them in the flesh. so are they really any good live? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:36:30 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OffTopic: residents live > just to say i recently read bill drummond's excellent "45" book. > there's a really good chapter about the residents , he went to > great efforts to see them in the mid-80's and was massively > disappointed with them in the flesh. so are they really any good live? p Seen them sometime in the late 80's - reviews were mixed, but I really liked them. It was more like watching a play than a gig, and I guess that's why lots of people were disapointed, cause they wanted a rough live thing, but it was still brilliant. Don't know what they do today or how they perform - what I've seen was their American Composers tour. I'm sure there are a few listers here who've seen more recent gigs. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:31:57 +0100 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 > > > an album recorded and stored away, never to be heard (although it did get released after 4 years), ////// well what a surprise! nice marketing lads. p Hey, they did another one at about the same time - which STILL hasn't been released!!! Rumour has it that the one that did get released was released by the record company, when the band ran off with the master tapes for a new album they had recorded (Eskimo). The record company needed some revenue, so raided the vaults and pulled out the tapes for the earlier work (Not Available). Well, that's the rumour - who am I to say whether or not it is true. But - 4 years is a long time to wait for a marketing ploy, if that's all it was. Mark, hey, no one said that Wire had to be ones favourite band, to be on this list! Actually, Wire are well down, behind The Television Personalities, The Residents, Tuxedomoon, The Fall, Clock DVA, etc. etc. rezMole THE MOLES For all things Residential www.theresidents.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 05:04:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] OTish: Strange REM >> I had no idea they'd covered Strange. A friend alterted me to this way back. It's kind of an odd 'happy' cover, if you can imagine that after the fairly twisted original. Note that all the 'nasty' words have gone too: "No-one's gonna save your life" turns into "No-one's gonna say goodnight"... :-) Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:06:01 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 Paul, << Mark, hey, no one said that Wire had to be ones favourite band, to be on this list! Actually, Wire are well down, behind The Television Personalities, The Residents, Tuxedomoon, The Fall, Clock DVA, etc. etc. >> Don't worry - I was only teasing! The Television Personalities?!?!?! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:08:58 +0100 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 The Television Personalities?!?!?! ///// Yes! I adore Dan Treacy's songwriting. He's the only songwriter whose work can actually make me cry! It's just such a shame he's gone missing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:10:55 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: meltdown 2001 >bill laswell (i think) did "album" with pil. Aside from producing (and playing on) "album" Bill produced tons of artists and collaborated with everyone doing the dub thing, the noise thing, the hardcore thing and lots others. Some of his better works that I know are collaborations with John Zorn and Mick Harris (of Napalm Death, Lull and Scorn fame; hey, he remixed some Immersion tracks - this is your Wire link!) under the name of Painkiller, ambient collaborations with Terre Thaemlitz (sp?) and countless others). >anyone know who fred frith is? I don't know his solo works that much, but he was part of John Zorn's Naked City - a band everyone should play loud and often. Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:17:29 -0500 From: "david mack" Subject: [idealcopy] ot: melting fred frith fred frith is a guitarist who exercises amazing restraint by not playing 'traditionally' he is much like bruce in that he works with the musicality of noise, but much unlike bruce in that if and when he chooses to play the guitar in a standard fashion, he is very technically accomplished massacre could be almost anything but expect full-on power they *have* coverred 'my funny valentine' as well not for the faint of heart ah - i just finished the digest giluz used the first phrase which came to mind ;) (we *do* agree sometimes) to sum frith is an improviser that might fall into a jazz context and it might fall into a rock context and it fall into a noise context he is also capable of playing highly technical notated music - as well as writing the same but seldom seen in that role these days i saw a trio with frith, larry ochs (rova saxaphone quartet) and mimi misoaka (koto and electronics) a gew years back frith's playing throughout the evening was insightful, very responsive to the trio context and contained not a single traditional 'note' of melodic content for almost an hour and a half towards the end of the last piece, he picked up an acoustic piccolo guitar and unleashed a flurry of notes which would make any guitarist faint this was notable because; firstly make no mistake, fred *has* chops, but more importantly, he uses them with restraint, and *only* when the context calls for it *not* to say 'look at me, i am a muthafucka" this post is a bit long to say , go see this show - it will be stellar oh - by the way - hayward is pretty far from 'fusion' these days - and laswell is glue - he seems to hold together all kinds of stuff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:16:48 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: meltdown 2001 Paul, << ///// Yes! I adore Dan Treacy's songwriting. He's the only songwriter whose work can actually make me cry! It's just such a shame he's gone missing. >> I'm sure he'll turn up on Alan McGee's new label! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 05:32:08 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] MICAHEL O'SHEA (WMO 12CD) Unforeseen delays in production mean that the release date has has to be pushed back to 12th June 2001. Apologies to those who have ordered already. Orders will be honoured and we hope to have stock for mail-order purposes before the official release date. For those who have not yet ordered, please feel free. The price is GBP12. Thanks and apologies. ===== kevin eden wmo, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk wmouk@yahoo.com http://wiremailorder.com/ "dreams that money can buy" Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:01:19 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot: melting fred frith Now look, how do you know Bruce hasn't secretly been practicing flamenco guitar secretly for the past 25 years, but just uses even more restraint than Frith - ie total! Mark ;-) << he is much like bruce in that he works with the musicality of noise, but much unlike bruce in that if and when he chooses to play the guitar in a standard fashion, he is very technically accomplished >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:14:52 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] OT - just a thought... V/Vm to select the Residents as their next "humorous" target. And unmask them on the cover. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:01:28 -0400 From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] meltdown 2001 > > << anyone know who fred frith is?>> Fred Frith has has a long and varied recording career, most of it in the "experimental" end of the avante-rock/jazz neck of the woods. He has been affiliated with the likes of Henry Cow/Peter Blegved/the Residents and that whole ReR/Cuneiform Canterbury scene. Three of my favorite albums are Guitar Solos - ESD 80442 - solos improvised guitar(mostly vintage 70's). Liner notes thank Chritoph Anders, Derek Bailey, Amy Denio, Bill Frisell, Tomoko Itani, Arto Lindsay, Rene Lussier, Lou Ree, Hans Reichel and Sonny Sharrock Speechless - ESD 80542 recorded circa 1980 , four tracks are recorded w/ Laswell and Massacre, the others w/ various musicians including Etron Fou Leloublan and Mars Williams Gravity - ESD 80452 - recorded circa 1978 (some of it in Sweden) and perhaps the most accessible of the lot. Great player, wonderful improviser. I'm sure the Wire must have written him up to the skies in some issue. - Steve. G _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:34:24 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Culturcide > Culturcide did a funny album in this hacking vein > back > in the late eighties. Their version of Bruce > Springsteen's Dancing in the Dark was pretty funny. That would be "Tacky Souvenirs of Pre Revolutionary America". Includes 'Industrial Band'. I'll get me coat... John Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:21:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hindman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] residents live Well, I don't know which tour the author saw, but I've been to 5 Res' shows since the early 80's and have not been disappointed yet. The one caveat is that none of them, with the exception of the 13th anniversary show, was at all like a "concert". I will be seeing them again in a week or so and will pass on info about their current "Icky Flix" live show. RJH - --- PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > just to say i recently read bill drummond's > excellent "45" book. there's a really good chapter > about the residents , he went to great efforts to > see them in the mid-80's and was massively > disappointed with them in the flesh. so are they > really any good live? p Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:40:32 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Amazon I ordered a couple of Punishment Of Luxury albums from them about a year ago, and had them within about 48 hours. This success has not been repeated since. My girlfriend gets sporadic reports on her order for the Chrome Box asking for a few *more* weeks grace. You're right Chris, you just wish they'd 'fess up and let you move on. Ian - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:59 AM Subject: [idealcopy] OT Amazon > >>Dear Customer, > > >>We are sorry to report that the following title has been delayed. > > >> Labradford "Prazision" > > >>Our current estimate is that it will take an additional 1-2 weeks > >>to obtain this title for you. > > I ordered this about 5 weeks ago. They'd been advertising it for > #7.99 > available in 1-2 weeks. Let's face it they haven't got it. > > C > > > > The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged > and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the > intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or > use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:19:40 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Coatings ok ok I'm sorry...I wasn't paying attention! Now, tell me, what's the story behind the cardboard CD that comes with Coatings? Will I really get disc 2 if I send them some cash? Thanks again....my mind wandered................. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:14:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Amazon On Mon, 14 May 2001, Ian B wrote: > I ordered a couple of Punishment Of Luxury albums from them about a year > ago, and had them within about 48 hours. > This success has not been repeated since. My girlfriend gets sporadic > reports on her order for the Chrome Box asking for a few *more* weeks grace. > You're right Chris, you just wish they'd 'fess up and let you move on. I'm not going to defend Amazon's record on labor etc. - but I'm unclear why folks are getting bent out of shape about this sort of thing. The way these places run, they do not have a warehouse full of product. They depend upon various suppliers to get them CDs - so if a title is listed as in-print, and no supplier happens to have a copy, what else are they going to do? If something's out of stock, and you're tired of waiting, cancel the order - I know they offer that option. Of course, it *could* be that they salt their catalog with impossible-to-get titles sure to appeal to fans of obscure music, then chuckle maniacally as people actually try to order them. "Bwah-hah-ha!!" they laugh evilly, "we actually fooled someone into ordering this title! Puny mortals!" - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:18:35 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] residents live In a message dated 5/15/01 7:27:57 AM, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: >just to say i recently read bill drummond's excellent "45" book. there's >a really good chapter about the residents , he went to great efforts to >see them in the mid-80's and was massively disappointed with them in the >flesh. so are they really any good live? p i saw their 13th anniversary tour, which was in the mid-80s..and it was f***ing excellent! they did a set of greatest hits, they wore eyeball head costumes with tuxedos, they danced, they entertained. snakefinger played guitar. the crowd could barely contain themselves :o) - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hindman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coatings...Caveat emptor! Well, I can't say how cash would work, but I mailed a check to the WMO address in the USA with a check in late March and have seen nothing of it. In fact, the check hasn't even cleared, so I don't know what's up. Good luck! RJH > ok ok I'm sorry...I wasn't paying attention! Now, > tell me, what's the story > behind the cardboard CD that comes with Coatings? > Will I really get disc 2 > if I send them some cash? Thanks again....my mind wandered................. Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:14:54 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT Amazon > I'm not going to defend Amazon's record on labor etc. - but I'm unclear > why folks are getting bent out of shape about this sort of thing. To someone like me, living in a quite remote place, sites like amazon are a real blessing. Imagine what you'd do if you had to buy most of your books and CD's only when you were abroad, because you couldn't get the stuff you like where you live (not that I don't like shopping when I'm on vacation, but at least it's not the only option I've got). Yes, they're not always that reliable as to the stocks they say they have - I ordered the Faust Box from them and cancelled it after a few weeks when they kept postponing it and ordered from somewhere else. But in most cases they're faster and cheaper than most other mail order shops. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:16:02 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OffTopic:residents live > i saw their 13th anniversary tour, which was in the mid-80s..and it was > f***ing excellent! they did a set of greatest hits, they wore > eyeball head > costumes with tuxedos, they danced, they entertained. snakefinger played > guitar. the crowd could barely contain themselves :o) Was Snakefinger one of the Residents, or just a very frequent special guest? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:42:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hindman Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OffTopic:residents live YOW! That was a great show!! They played at the Warfield in San Francisco that tour and it was wonderful! They opened with 'Jambalaya' and played for nearly 2 1/2 hours, finally closing with Kamikaze Lady with Mr Skull beating his emulator keyboard almost to pieces!! Plus Penn and Teller were the costars/emcees and it was great! And for the record, Snakefinger was a seperate entity from the Residents. They did play on each others records quite a lot! He actually played in England for a while in a band called "Chili Willie and the Red Hot Peppers". There is a alot of info online about both the Res and Mr Lithman. > > i saw their 13th anniversary tour, which was in > the mid-80s..and it was > > f***ing excellent! they did a set of greatest > hits, they wore > > eyeball head > > costumes with tuxedos, they danced, they > entertained. snakefinger played > > guitar. the crowd could barely contain themselves > :o) > > Was Snakefinger one of the Residents, or just a very > frequent special guest? > > giluz ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "Suffering is our experience of the distance between what we are and who we wish to become. - -Robert Fripp - ----------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:51:12 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] V/Vm Graeme wrote :- As for the descriptions of the V/Vm single, they've come from two experts who haven't heard it. They could probably get employment at the eNMEy! I haven't heard it either. you haven't heard it either?? and 'we're' experts?? so...i presume you're telling us about it because you know them then??or am i barking up the wrong tree? presumably you wouldn't refuse a job at The Wire ? ^_^. ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:53:23 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] off topic-REMmmmmmmmmm Mark and Graeme wrote :- << Bloody corporate stadium rock, eh! REM did a good live show at Liverpool Royal Court on the Green tour (Feeling Gravity's Pull & Begin the Begin were highlights), >> M Bursa in attendance at said gig too (I do get around!!). And very fine it was... totally agree with Feeling Gravity's Pull as the highlight (along with See no Evil and Murder Mystery as encores). er, i must have missed this one, but i WAS at the one before at the Royal Court, was it 1986?, must have been maybe after 'Fables...' and before 'Life's Rich Pageant'? great gig again... can't believe you didn't know about the cover of 'Strange' though, Mark, despite being 'away'... ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:54:28 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] off topic-Laswell/Material Paul, re :- Bill Laswell if you can find a copy of the 'Memory Serves' 12" and/or the 1st Material lp, you should be fairly pleased by what you hear, i hope. 'Memory Serves' was a big tune in my circle when it came out. haven't heard it for a while so there's a possibility that it could have dated a bit... but still worth checking out i think. ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:16:41 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Amazon 6 weeks for Durutti Column - LC. It's hardly a rare CD. C Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey on 16/05/2001 04:14:06 To: A Rich and Comfortable Life with Paper cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/IT/MEDAS) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Amazon On Mon, 14 May 2001, Ian B wrote: > I ordered a couple of Punishment Of Luxury albums from them about a year > ago, and had them within about 48 hours. > This success has not been repeated since. My girlfriend gets sporadic > reports on her order for the Chrome Box asking for a few *more* weeks grace. > You're right Chris, you just wish they'd 'fess up and let you move on. I'm not going to defend Amazon's record on labor etc. - but I'm unclear why folks are getting bent out of shape about this sort of thing. The way these places run, they do not have a warehouse full of product. They depend upon various suppliers to get them CDs - so if a title is listed as in-print, and no supplier happens to have a copy, what else are they going to do? If something's out of stock, and you're tired of waiting, cancel the order - I know they offer that option. Of course, it *could* be that they salt their catalog with impossible-to-get titles sure to appeal to fans of obscure music, then chuckle maniacally as people actually try to order them. "Bwah-hah-ha!!" they laugh evilly, "we actually fooled someone into ordering this title! Puny mortals!" - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #150 *******************************