From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #149 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, May 15 2001 Volume 04 : Number 149 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V4 #148 ["Wilson, Paul" ] Re: [idealcopy] meltdown 2001 [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:53:00 +0100 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V4 #148 The Record Collector top 500 most collectable list is compiled from votes cast by readers. Readers submit the names of the three artists they collect most of. They run it every year, and it's a load of bollocks. The Beatles are always number 1. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 13:06:36 +0200 From: "Frank J|rgen Wvrner" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] tv noispop ... the tv list - ----- Original Message ----- From: "david mack" To: ; Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 3:42 PM Subject: [idealcopy] tv noispop > i periodicallly subscribe to the TV list, then revert back to this one under > the sheer volume of people talking about yesterday > this list varies a bit better Can you give me the url or majordomo of this tv list, please FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:55:04 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Do You Have an Opinion? >>>>Ian sj said... i just wanted to say that way back in the late 80's, i knew a bunch of pot-head hardcore (guitar) fans who used to make cassettes, under the name of The Bad Volvo's, which involved playing and taping Madonna, Stevie Wonder, anyone well known basically, and then 'breaking into' (eg, taping over) bits of the recordings, with the sound of puking, farting, singing the part really badly, announcing revelations drawn from the 'cosmic'...you get the picture...some of it was genuinely funny, most, pretty inane, which sounds, to me, fairly more creative than the description of the Joy Div cover that V/Vm have done. i totally agree with the sentiment, but everyone likes the smell of their own farts, know what i mean? ian.s.j. I don't like the smell of my farts, but sometimes the noises they make are amusing. Culturcide did a funny album in this hacking vein back in the late eighties. Their version of Bruce Springsteen's Dancing in the Dark was pretty funny. As for the descriptions of the V/Vm single, they've come from two experts who haven't heard it. They could probably get employment at the eNMEy! I haven't heard it either. My favourite REM album is Lifes Rich Pageant (first 4 songs are their best 4). I only started listening to them because of their cover of Strange, which I though was pretty lame at first, but I enjoyed the end of the world song that came after it on Document (where did their Eyewitness go?). I thought Up had its moments (Hope was the best song; Walk Unafraid was way better on the Peel session though) but all the albums since Green are patchy to say the least. Bloody corporate stadium rock, eh! REM did a good live show at Liverpool Royal Court on the Green tour (Feeling Gravity's Pull & Begin the Begin were highlights), but I'd rather bite off my tongue and swallow it whole than endure a bunch of Britpap clones in a stadium whilst I wait for Stipe and co to do watered down imitations of themselves for nearly thirty quid! I'd rather give the money to Amnesty International and stay home listening to Ocsid! Did routine bite hard? Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:08:23 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] meltdown 2001 saw this advertised today , thought some of these might be of interest. curator is robert wyatt , btw 9/6 ; the residents 10/6 ; raincoats/gorkys 17/6 ; bill laswell , fred frith & charles hayward ; massacre 22/6 ; dave gilmour (!) 26/6 ; elvis costello hmm , the one i would be vaguely curious about is the chrles hayward one ; never did see this heat. but i can hear some "jazz fusion" alarm bells ringing in the back of my head ; anyone know who fred frith is? bill laswell (i think) did "album" with pil. could be worth a look , but i think i'm on holiday. likewise i'd like to see the raincoats after the previous no-show a couple of months back but i don't think i'll be making that one either. wonder what a dave gilmour show consists of in 2001? p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:54:28 -0700 (PDT) From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] meltdown 2001 << anyone know who fred frith is?>> Fred Frith is a jazz guitarist. I believe he's also done some dance music ala Bruce Gilbert. Only heard a little bit of his stuff and it wasn't bad. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:20:15 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Do You Have an Opinion? Graeme, << Bloody corporate stadium rock, eh! REM did a good live show at Liverpool Royal Court on the Green tour (Feeling Gravity's Pull & Begin the Begin were highlights), >> M Bursa in attendance at said gig too (I do get around!!). And very fine it was... totally agree with Feeling Gravity's Pull as the highlight (along with See no Evil and Murder Mystery as encores). Second Seenoevilcoverversionbyanamerican undergroundguitarband in the space of a few weeks - the Feelies played it at the Garage. Fast. >>My favourite REM album is Lifes Rich Pageant (first 4 songs are their best 4). I only started listening to them because of their cover of Strange, which I though was pretty lame at first,<< I had no idea they'd covered Strange. When that album came out I was in the US (my first trip there). I was actually in Miami, and had managed to blag a Rover Sterling from the local distributor by means of transportation. White, with white leather interior. Pimpmobile. I bought a cassette of Document and proceeded to cruise round Miami in the Pimpster, stereo on loud. Imagine my joy when those well-loved der-der...der-der...der-der...deerrr-deeerr chords struck up! I was a massive REM fan at the time, but didn't know that much about them - so it was nice they should be giving Wire a good payday! >>As for the descriptions of the V/Vm single, they've come from two experts who haven't heard it. They could probably get employment at the eNMEy! I haven't heard it either. << Personally I'm waiting for it to go up on Napster. Surely they can see that the joke is much funnier if no-one actually buys their records, but everyone gets to hear them? Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:27:13 -0700 (PDT) From: BillyD Subject: Re: [idealcopy] meltdown 2001-Bill Laswell Bill Laswell was/is a well known producer/performer. He worked with Herbie Hancock in the 80's. Was also responsible for Material & Praxis. I'm sure he has done tons more, but aside from PiL, the ones I've mentioned are all I can recall now. Cheers, Billy p.s. Does the new Orbital really suck worse than the last? Damn, I just bought the import! - --- PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > saw this advertised today , thought some of these > might be of interest. > curator is robert wyatt , btw > > 9/6 ; the residents > 10/6 ; raincoats/gorkys > 17/6 ; bill laswell , fred frith & charles hayward > ; massacre > 22/6 ; dave gilmour (!) > 26/6 ; elvis costello > > hmm , the one i would be vaguely curious about is > the chrles hayward one ; > never did see this heat. but i can hear some "jazz > fusion" alarm bells > ringing in the back of my head ; anyone know who > fred frith is? bill laswell > (i think) did "album" with pil. could be worth a > look , but i think i'm on > holiday. likewise i'd like to see the raincoats > after the previous no-show a > couple of months back but i don't think i'll be > making that one either. > > wonder what a dave gilmour show consists of in 2001? p ===== . ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:04:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] meltdown 2001 On Mon, 14 May 2001, Eric Strang wrote: > << anyone know who fred frith is?>> > Fred Frith is a jazz guitarist. I believe he's also done some dance > music ala Bruce Gilbert. Only heard a little bit of his stuff and it > wasn't bad. I'm not an expert on Frith - but I don't really think I'd call him a jazz guitarist, at least not to someone who hasn't heard his work, as it gives all sorts of bad, George-Benson impressions. Frith's way more experimental, although he can also play well in more traditional modes (but has he ever played straight jazz?). Surely someone else here knows more about him than I do... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:35:58 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OffTopic - Fred Frith anyone know who fred frith is? Fred Frith's a fucking genius: Member of Henry Cow (guitar/violin, mainly) and various Henry Cow members lineups (Art Bears), played with various musicians from the Residents and Robert Wyatt and Eno to Bill Laswell's Material and John Zorn. Most known as a guitarist, he also plays bass, piano, violin xylophone and, I guess, countless others. He's not a jazz musician, though you can hear he's got a jazz background. His solo albums can move from the nosiest avantgarde to whacky pop. I think the list of the names of people he played with, gives a good enoough description of what he's doing - don't miss this! Always wondered if he's related to Simon Frith, rock theoretician -does anyone know? giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #149 *******************************