From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #147 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, May 13 2001 Volume 04 : Number 147 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Amazon Cancel Your Order [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Exloded Views [Wireviews ] Re: [idealcopy] Dirty Windows in Madrid Substrata [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] off topic - playthings... [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Exloded Views [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] tv noispop ["david mack" ] [idealcopy] V/Vm Will Tear It Apart [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= ] Re: [idealcopy] V/Vm Will Tear It Apart [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Amazon Cancel Your Order [jeffh@artnet.net (Jeff Hall)] [idealcopy] off topic-REM(ember when they were vital??) ["ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Exloded Views >>Bastards! They sat on this for five weeks then >> told me they can't get it! Uh, like pretty much any online mail order company. (CDBanzai sat on one of my orders for _ten_ weeks before saying they couldn't find Seefeel's 'Quique', by which time I already had a copy anyway.) Regarding Exploded Views, it's not really worth getting anyway, especially if you already have Eden's book, unless you are a Wire completist. Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 07:57:43 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dirty Windows in Madrid Substrata In a message dated 12/05/01 00:25:02 GMT Daylight Time, crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk writes: > >>>>Good to mention Madrid. I only have the twelf > inch. Was wandering who they are, where they are from > etc. Is something written on this ceedee Graeme? > > The CD is entitled Madrid and is on the French ici, > d'ailleurs label, tel/fax 03 83 36 79 98 > http://www.ici-dailleurs.com > > //////// what is the madrid track remixed by bruce called? i tried putting > "madrid" into napster and got about 300 spanish folk songs.........p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 08:09:10 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] off topic - playthings... In a message dated 12/05/01 01:42:08 GMT Daylight Time, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: > REM - Imitation Of Life > (yeah, sorry, despite my best efforts it's got to me) > /////// well the critical opinion on the new album seems really mixed. interesting to compare this months Q and yesterday's guardian. Q gave the REM album an almost sychophantic review (best ever REM album , now do we really think that is the case?) and five stars. meanwhile the new d/mode album got 2 stars and a slating. mr guardian meanwhile gave the REM offerring 3 stars and a pretty mediocre write-up. the mode , on the other hand , get a 4 star "back on great form again" rave review. i guess you pays yer money...... must say the stuff i've heard of the new REM album sounds like lots of their old stuff rolled up together. "up" never grew on me , those programmed drum beats were terrible ; can't see me buying another album by them really (i did like them quite a lot once). p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 08:22:25 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Exloded Views In a message dated 12/05/01 12:51:34 GMT Daylight Time, wireviews@yahoo.com writes: > Regarding Exploded Views, it's not really worth > getting anyway, especially if you already have Eden's > book, unless you are a Wire completist. > > ///////well the book is pretty mediocre , but the cd is well worth having. > there are 2 copies up on www.gemm.com , one for $14 with the cd and one for > $4 without. this is a pretty simple decision i would say. gemm is still a good way of sourcing stuff , there is a mountain on there. you're in the hands of the individual dealer , some of who pull the usual mail order crap (mainly the old take-your-money-despite-being-out-of-stock , though i did have a guy who waited a year until he found another copy then deducted the money anyway ; nice). wonder if a credit card ecompany would pay up on a claim for a record that didn't arrive ? worth a try maybe.....p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 08:42:21 -0500 From: "david mack" Subject: [idealcopy] tv noispop michael flaherty wrote: >Last night Television played at the Metro in Chicago, about a year after Wire played there. a year to the day sorry i didn't know you were there >I pretty much agreed w/ The Wire's recent review spot on in all details The only song from Adventure was the encore, Glory, which was followed by a blues jam >For me, the only negative was that Richard's equipment went down during M. >M., meaning he couldn't play the beautiful "bird like" ending..Actually, it was pretty cool. actually i would have preferred the omission of the MM stuff since it *was* walked through Glory was *not* a walk through and really shone >One last thought: no one seems to know if these 2 concerts are absolutely all, or if they plan to do more the opening thing was (ithink new, as was the leadin to Psychotic Reaction) richard is really pretty vocal on the net i periodicallly subscribe to the TV list, then revert back to this one under the sheer volume of people talking about yesterday this list varies a bit better as to the future, money is always a factor, and i don't think there is enough (the metro show did not sell out - unlike Wire last year) all in all very satisfying and surprisingly tight much of the time LJJ sparked in it's short form ray)(0)(mac ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:48:10 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] V/Vm Will Tear It Apart Tim said >>>>The obsession with 7" Vinyl, just like those reactionary Northern Soul bores that run the Manchester Music Scene. 10 years time you'll have people trying to bring back VHS video as well, long after DVD has taken over. But the thing is 7" vinyl never went away, so no one is trying to bring it back as such. Commenting on a record you haven't heard could be said to be reactionary. It's actually news to me that reactionary Northern Soul bores run the Manchester Music Scene. I didn't think anyone ran it as such, and I don't recall ever hearing northern soul whilst out and about in Manchester. >>>>If they don't care, why waste the plastic to release the item? To piss in the font, as it were. All V/Vm records sell out pretty fast and they'd have to keep all the subscribers in the USA chortling thus the deluge of butchery. V/Vm certainly seem to have pissed one Joy Division fan off there. That was their intention. Sex Pistols also said they didn't care on Pretty Vacant. Wire did a song called Just Don't Care and the Ramones of course sang I Don't Care. And some people still say punk is dead! >>>>Why not take the piss out of really crap manchester band like Badly Drawn Boy, or Alfie? or Starsailor? Why keep going for easy targets? I hope they do over The Fall... then MES can remaster it from an MP3 off a CD-R and rerelease it when his pension gets cancelled ("It was the fault of the government!"). Maybe they'll get round to it on the Manchester butchery album. Still no ones heard of these northern soul bores have they? Who will remember Alfie in 2 years time? >>>>Tony Wilson gave us Joy Divison, ACR, Durrutti Column, Happy Mondays and New Order and put Sex Pistols, the Buzzcocks etc on National TV. Joy Division, etc. gave us themselves. Sex Pistols and Buzzcocks would've got on TV without Wilson. I never thought punk rock was about being on TV. Happy Mondays were always crap (except for Bez). I have a lot more respect for someone like Paul Smith (now managing Wire and still running Blast First) because he doesn't run on past reputation and still uses His Ears! His Ears! Wilson is a patronising old suit who was had a handle on 'cool' about 20 years ago and the 'kids' have been laughing at him for years now as you rightfully point out. "20 Years Ago I Used Your Soul You turn pandemonium into pantomime... For What?" >>>>What the fuck have V/vm ever done for us? Why should they do anything for us? It's not as if we elected them! Their remix of Falco's Rock Me Amadeus is a rockin' time! They are nearly as notorious as Duran Duran! The truly sad fact is that their Joy Division VVMCPS butchery probably won't be as bad as that 'World in Motion' single. Sinatra went to hell. Curtis is still probably listening to Dead Souls calling him from limbo. I have forwarded your comments to V/Vm for their amusement. All of this for you! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:14:59 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ambitious Coatings - ----- Original Message ----- From: Graeme Rowland 18 minutes remix of Ambitious> > I think its way better than the original - Colin > didn't seem too pleased when I told him that! Why not? Where does he rank the other version with him taking lead vocal? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 13:00:18 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] V/Vm Will Tear It Apart << The truly sad fact is that their Joy Division VVMCPS butchery probably won't be as bad as that 'World in Motion' single. >> Like all novelty records, the whole V/Vm concept to me just seems lame. So they make weird remixes of old records. So what. The LWTUA concept just didn't seem funny to me, whereas the fact that New Order reached number 1 10 years after Ian Curtis died with a football song was extremely funny. And despite John Barnes' "rapping" it's a pretty good record, for a recycled TV theme with lyrics added by a comedian! But then, NO always approached things with a very dry sense of humour. I have a 1981 cover version of LWTUA (with niiice sax break) by an Austrian group called Chutzpah which is far funnier than anything V/Vm could dream of. Perhaps they could have mixed Joy Div's Atmosphere with Russ Abbott's, via a ring modulator. We'd all have to wrap ourselves in Gaffer Tape in case our sides split. Please forward my comments to them for their "amusement". Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 10:51:31 -0700 From: jeffh@artnet.net (Jeff Hall) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Amazon Cancel Your Order http://www.stampalternativa.it/sconc.htm Wow, the almost complete collection of these 7" books. The sampling of several that I've picked up are really good. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 02:44:08 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] off topic-REM(ember when they were vital??) PaulRabjohn wrote:- re:REM /////// well the critical opinion on the new album seems really mixed. interesting to compare this months Q and yesterday's guardian. Q gave the REM album an almost sychophantic review >no surprise there then... ////////(best ever REM album , now do we really think that is the case?) and five stars. meanwhile the new d/mode album got 2 stars and a slating. mr guardian meanwhile gave the REM offerring 3 starsand a pretty mediocre write-up. the mode, on the other hand, get a 4 star "back on great form again" rave review. i guess you pays yer money...... >Sean O'Hagan's big article in the Guardian Weekend, a few weeks ago, was a real let down. i was hoping for something with some insight, or at least something from Stipe that wasn't mind-play, and all we really got was a fucking big plug for the new lp, when it all boiled down. ////////must say the stuff i've heard of the new REM album sounds like lots of their old stuff rolled up together. "up" never grew on me , those programmed drum beats were terrible ; can't see me buying another album by them really (i did like them quite a lot once). >'up', i've never heard in full, what i did hear underwhelmed me. to be honest, i started to lose interest in the lp's after 'Green' but curiously, for me, still interested enough in the band to buy 'Monster' which i still likea lot. 'Automatic'...again, i've never heard in full, only the singles (i hate 'Everybody Hurts'). does the UK chart entry at No.6 make 'Imitation..' their biggest hit to date? like you, i think i'm unlikely to hear all of the new lp. something i left off my last playlist was 'Fables of the Reconstruction' which may well be their defining moment, or certainly most solid lp. managed to miss the 'new lp-plug tv programme' the other night... (a friend said Stipe came over as a right fucking prima-donna... by the way do we need another bleedin' song about Courtney...ever?) as i've just missed tonights tv programme on the Meltdown festival, forgot to set the video, before going out to see Dick Gaughan (Scots political folk-singer, for those of you that don't know him... Billy Bragg has covered the odd Gaughan tune) in a local park. any 'reviews' of the Meltdown programme would be really useful... jesus, David Thomas on the telly, and i miss it...fuck... and Liverpool win the cup...double fuck... ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 03:04:21 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] off topic- don't walk away... Re: V/Vm Will Tear It Apart and the ongoing debate between Mark and Graeme, which i'm enjoying a lot... i just wanted to say that way back in the late 80's, i knew a bunch of pot-head hardcore (guitar) fans who used to make cassettes, under the name of The Bad Volvo's, which involved playing and taping Madonna, Stevie Wonder, anyone well known basically, and then 'breaking into' (eg, taping over) bits of the recordings, with the sound of puking, farting, singing the part really badly, announcing revelations drawn from the 'cosmic'...you get the picture...some of it was genuinely funny, most, pretty inane, which sounds, to me, fairly more creative than the description of the Joy Div cover that V/Vm have done. i totally agree with the sentiment, but everyone likes the smell of their own farts, know what i mean? ian.s.j. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #147 *******************************