From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #138 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, May 4 2001 Volume 04 : Number 138 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] kidney posters [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy]OffTopic - Mozart was a punk ["giluz" ] RE: [idealcopy]OffTopic - Mozart was a punk [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy]OffTopic - Mozart was a punk ["giluz" ] RE: [idealcopy]OffTopic - Mozart was a punk [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy]OffTopic - Mozart was a punk NOW Killing Joke [Chris.Ray@m] RE: [idealcopy]OffTopic - Mozart was a punk NOW Killing Joke [PaulRabjohn] [idealcopy] OffTopic - Mozart was a punk NOW Killing Joke [Chris.Ray@meda] [idealcopy] Amadeus ["ian jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Amadeus [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] [idealcopy] RE: OT: Eno's DX7 and the merits of not ["wiremailorder.com"] Re: [idealcopy] Dusker Hue/Fack Blag [John Roberts ] Re: [idealcopy] Dusker Hue/Fack Blag [Rick Hindman ] [idealcopy] C+M [Wireviews ] Re: [OT] Always be nice to Fugazi (was Re: [idealcopy] it's a 'G' thing) [MarkBursa@aol.co] Re: [idealcopy] C+M [Andrew N Westmeyer ] Re: [idealcopy] it's playlist time again kids... and again ["Frank Jürgen] Re: [idealcopy]OffTopic - Mozart was a punk [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Amadeus [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Amadeus [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: avantgardejazzclassical [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] buzzing in my eardrums [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] C+M [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [idealcopy] eno and james [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] An Obscure Reference?? [Rick Hindman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 04:39:22 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] kidney posters on ebay there's a gig poster for wire at the fillmore (san diego?) , really good design of a page from a calendar with kidneys stuck on certain dates. worth a look , though whether it would get from there to me in one piece i'm not so sure.....p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:47:32 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OffTopic - Mozart was a punk > sadly no Mozart > though, the original 'punk-rocker'. See the film 'Amadeus' > if you haven't seen it, even if you have no interest in > all that ancient boring stuff you were force-fed at school!! > you won't be sorry, it's just a great film in itself... It's a very bad film by any standard you might think of (except perhaps for the costume design). Historically, it is far from accurate, especially Mozart's representation as a cool American punk. Cinematically, it's certainly one of the most boring mediocre Hollywod products (I know that Forman, the director, is not American, but anyone who's working in Hollywood is American - best current example is Ridley Scott, but Hollywood was always comprised of mainly European directors making the most Americanised products). I don't know much about Mozart personally, but I've watched this film with some friends of mine that are quite knowledgeable and they were absolutely amazed as to how inaccurate and naff it was. They said that even the musical bits were of quite bad performances and the selection was also awful. So if you wanna get into Mozart, don't try it with this film - buy a good CD. And as to Mozart's being a punk, this was written about with real talent and humour in a short story appearing in the classic cyberpunk anthology Mirrorshades (I forgot who wrote it - the anthology's edited by Bruce Sterling). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 05:01:39 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OffTopic - Mozart was a punk And as to Mozart's being a punk, this was written about with real talent and humour in a short story appearing in the classic cyberpunk anthology Mirrorshades (I forgot who wrote it - the anthology's edited by Bruce Sterling). ////// please save me from classical punk rockers. we are veering dangerously close to a mention for that prize wanker nigel kennedy. can we talk about something more interesting please. like , anything whatsoever.p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:11:43 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OffTopic - Mozart was a punk > And as to Mozart's being a punk, this was written about with real > talent and > humour in a short story appearing in the classic cyberpunk anthology > Mirrorshades (I forgot who wrote it - the anthology's edited by Bruce > Sterling). > > ////// please save me from classical punk rockers. we are veering > dangerously close to a mention for that prize wanker nigel > kennedy. can we talk about something more interesting please. > like , anything whatsoever.p Hey, I didn't say he was a punk, I just referred to a more intelligent treatment to the notion of his being a punk (which I think is ridiculous) than the one given in Amadeus. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 05:19:43 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OffTopic - Mozart was a punk Hey, I didn't say he was a punk, I just referred to a more intelligent treatment to the notion of his being a punk (which I think is ridiculous) than the one given in Amadeus. giluz ////// that's all right then. i was just taking the opportunity to slag off nigel kennedy , one of my all-time pet hates. i was making a tape of early killing joke for graeme over the weekend and i was impressed how good some of it still sounded , the thought struck me then that the famous jaz coleman/nigel kennedy album of doors-covers-ina-classical-stylee thankfully sunk without trace or me hearing it. p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:40:17 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OffTopic - Mozart was a punk NOW Killing Joke I know the subject has been exhausted but I hope you put at least one from Brighter Than A 1000 Suns on the tape. Chris. PaulRabjohn@aol.com on 03/05/2001 10:19:43 To: giluz@nettalk.com, idealcopy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/IT/MEDAS) Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OffTopic - Mozart was a punk Hey, I didn't say he was a punk, I just referred to a more intelligent treatment to the notion of his being a punk (which I think is ridiculous) than the one given in Amadeus. giluz ////// that's all right then. i was just taking the opportunity to slag off nigel kennedy , one of my all-time pet hates. i was making a tape of early killing joke for graeme over the weekend and i was impressed how good some of it still sounded , the thought struck me then that the famous jaz coleman/nigel kennedy album of doors-covers-ina-classical-stylee thankfully sunk without trace or me hearing it. p The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 05:56:48 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OffTopic - Mozart was a punk NOW Killing Joke ////// er , no! my KJ collection ends at firedances , and i regret buying that one. i still think all you need really is the first 2 albums , but the 2 bootlegs "bums rush" and "live in london 81" (these were widely sold in legit shops at the time) are great supplements to the tale. if i did a kj tape i'm afraid it wouldn't have anything post-youth. on that subject , i saw a huge display stand in a birmingham indie shop the other day of cheapo mid-price cd's at #4.99 each. 154 was in there , also all the KJ albums except the first one. and a lot of things like beefheart and virgin prog 70's stuff. i guess these will be all over the place , some good buys there.p I know the subject has been exhausted but I hope you put at least one from Brighter Than A 1000 Suns on the tape. Chris. PaulRabjohn@aol.com on 03/05/2001 10:19:43 To: giluz@nettalk.com, idealcopy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/IT/MEDAS) Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OffTopic - Mozart was a punk Hey, I didn't say he was a punk, I just referred to a more intelligent treatment to the notion of his being a punk (which I think is ridiculous) than the one given in Amadeus. giluz ////// that's all right then. i was just taking the opportunity to slag off nigel kennedy , one of my all-time pet hates. i was making a tape of early killing joke for graeme over the weekend and i was impressed how good some of it still sounded , the thought struck me then that the famous jaz coleman/nigel kennedy album of doors-covers-ina-classical-stylee thankfully sunk without trace or me hearing it. p The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:07:23 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: [idealcopy] OffTopic - Mozart was a punk NOW Killing Joke ////// er , no! my KJ collection ends at firedances , and i regret buying that one. i still think all you need really is the first 2 albums , but the 2 bootlegs "bums rush" and "live in london 81" (these were widely sold in legit shops at the time) are great supplements to the tale. if i did a kj tape i'm afraid it wouldn't have anything post-youth. I've got the first and it is very good. Amazingly it doesn't even sound that dated. Aw, but still get hold of Brighter...;-) C The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:18:45 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Amadeus well, that was a case of light the blue touch paper...!!! i genuinely like the film as a piece of PURE entertainment, honest. of course it's bollocks, of course it's not going to be historically accurate...it's a Hollywood film, as Giluz rightly (and obviously) pointed out (see Luis Bunuel's seven-point guide to Hollywood films in his autobiography 'My Last Breath'). i was going to leave all that classical stuff off the playlist but decided to see what kind of reaction it provoked. hence the 'i'll get me coat' reference at the end of the post. the main reason for buying them in the first place was for future sampling (as some of you may have guessed) but i AM getting increasingly interested in instrumental classical and jazz music, forms that i have previously despised for one reason or another (however, i know it's not going to happen with opera). regards, ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:35:20 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Amadeus If you're getting in to Classical then you can't go wrong with Brahms and Wagner. And there's some great Opera out there. Mozart's Don Giovanni is pretty excellent. C "ian jackson" on 03/05/2001 11:18:45 To: idealcopy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/IT/MEDAS) Subject: [idealcopy] Amadeus well, that was a case of light the blue touch paper...!!! i genuinely like the film as a piece of PURE entertainment, honest. of course it's bollocks, of course it's not going to be historically accurate...it's a Hollywood film, as Giluz rightly (and obviously) pointed out (see Luis Bunuel's seven-point guide to Hollywood films in his autobiography 'My Last Breath'). i was going to leave all that classical stuff off the playlist but decided to see what kind of reaction it provoked. hence the 'i'll get me coat' reference at the end of the post. the main reason for buying them in the first place was for future sampling (as some of you may have guessed) but i AM getting increasingly interested in instrumental classical and jazz music, forms that i have previously despised for one reason or another (however, i know it's not going to happen with opera). regards, ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 06:20:04 -0500 From: "wiremailorder.com" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: OT: Eno's DX7 and the merits of not Without a doubt the most boring aspect of music is reading some know-it-all's diatribe on a list, not unlike this one! I'd take songwriting, protools, a live show, complicated user interfaces and over-priced records, and tweaker engineers anyday :) charles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 07:01:56 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dusker Hue/Fack Blag Husker Du and XTC? Nooooooooo. And Rick, I think you'll find that Mr Fripp's comments were stated a long time before he did - see particularly Heidegger, also Nietzche, Sartre, Kierkegaard. 8-) Black Flag being pants - I only like Damaged, the stuff after that was just heavy metal played badly a la GBH et al. John - --- Rick Hindman wrote: > --- ian jackson wrote: > > Graeme wrote :- > > Husker Du probably owed more to the Beatles > > and the Who than 77 punk. > > > > And although it leads right back to the Beatles, I > also think, (Warehouse, especially!) that Husker Du > owed quite a lot to XTC as well. Another band with > two > separate songwriters blending into a single band. > > RJH > > ===== > - ----------------------------------------------------------- > "Suffering is our experience of the distance between > what we > are and who we wish to become. > > -Robert Fripp > - ----------------------------------------------------------- > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:32:06 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Eno I don't care what equipment Eno uses, few sound artists (hesitate to call him a musician or a composer) have had the impact on me, or, I would argue, noncommercial music, that he has. That out of the way, Eno tends to shoot from the hip, often controdicting himself, and his "no one does this" or "the only good thing is that" comments shouldn't be taken too seriously. Like John Cage, he loves to provoke ... he's just not as good at as Cage was. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:43:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hindman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dusker Hue/Fack Blag John- Sorry if that pushed a button. My first Husker albums were 'Candy Apple Grey' an 'Warehouse..' and songs like "These Important Years", and "All This I've Done For You" have chording and a general feeling that XTC have given me at times. Please note that I only stayed with XTC until 'Mummer'. After that, everything tends to sound like 'Skylarking' over and over again, with the notable exception of 'Oranges and Lemons'. Thanks for the philosopher/writer references, I'll look into some of them. RJH - --- John Roberts wrote: > Husker Du and XTC? Nooooooooo. > And Rick, I think you'll find that Mr Fripp's > comments > were stated a long time before he did - see > particularly Heidegger, also Nietzche, Sartre, > Kierkegaard. 8-) Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:17:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] C+M "I know Colin is engaged in all Malka's projects, but there gotta be reasons for him not putting the name on the cover - I would guess it has to do with the person who writes the tunes to begin with." Colin and Malka co-write pretty much everything and there are tracks on Malka albums that started with Colin and vice-versa. I think in some cases it's quite random regarding the naming of their CDs, however, one can probably argue that the names depend on the "bias" of the music. In other words, CN releases are more "rock" oriented and Malka releases are more "pop", at least to a certain extent. Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:22:55 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [OT] Always be nice to Fugazi (was Re: [idealcopy] it's a 'G' thing) Paul, << Unfortunately, after that, Steve decided to do something else, so I don't have anymore cool stories along those lines. However, I could talk about the Presidents of The United States, and the Posies... (^_^) >> Posies are great - seen them a couple of times as the Posies (and once as part of Big Star). Very underrated band - Frosting on the Beater is one of the great albums of its type, up with Teenage Fanclub's Grand Prix... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 17:15:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] C+M Excerpts from mail: 3-May-101 [idealcopy] C+M by Wireviews@yahoo.com > In other words, CN releases are more "rock" oriented > and Malka releases are more "pop", at > least to a certain extent. In the TotallyRadio.com show, Colin quipped that Malka was a bassist so her tracks are bass-heavy. Compare Malka's "Hide" to Colin's "Spaced In". But having said that, I still agree with Craig that the authorship is still arbitrary. (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "Years of dealing with your kind has taught me patience." -Cecil Adams ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 00:26:00 +0200 From: "Frank Jürgen Wörner" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] it's playlist time again kids... and again - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ian jackson" To: "idealcopy" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:10 AM Subject: [idealcopy] it's playlist time again kids... > for this last week or so :- for the last few days playing in a warm northern Bavarian spring: Saint Etienne - Interlude Saint Etienne - The Misadventures of Saint Etienne Madrugada - The Nightly Disease Depeche Mode - Exciter Guided by Voices - Isolation Drills Cosmic Rough Riders - Enjoy the Melodic Sunshine The Ocean Blue - See Tipsy - Uh-Oh regards, Frank from Bavaria ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 19:57:37 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OffTopic - Mozart was a punk In a message dated 03/05/01 09:52:22 GMT Daylight Time, giluz@nettalk.com writes: > > It's a very bad film by any standard you might think of (except perhaps for > the costume design). Historically, it is far from accurate, especially > Mozart's representation as a cool American punk Ian. although as you have mentioned before,we have remarkably similar musical tastes,I think you've sadly overestimated this film.Oscar winner though it may be. I have to unequivocally side with Giluz here.Especially regarding it's inaccuracies. He was a gifted child & a genuinely fine composer of music.This film IMHO does not do him justice.As a mainstream flick I hope it got some people who watched it & were never interested or exposed to classical music interested. That is about it though. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 20:10:48 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Amadeus In a message dated 03/05/01 11:23:55 GMT Daylight Time, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: > ) but i AM > getting increasingly interested in instrumental classical and jazz music, > forms that i have previously despised for one reason or another > (however, i know it's not going to happen with opera). > regards, ian.s.j. > I replied to your post before reading your reply.Somehow I thought you'd realise that mail would spark contention. Now opera. Would listers like to give their opinions on this art form. Me. I recognise it has something going for it. But as for paying xxx for a ticket & wearing a penguin suit etc to watch it...or buying a cd & listening to it... Well I suppose " that's the disadvantage of not speaking a second language " Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 20:35:08 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Amadeus Ian, << but i AM getting increasingly interested in instrumental classical and jazz music, forms that i have previously despised for one reason or another << During the 80s I tried getting into classical music. Went to see some live stuff (aimed high - Karajan & Berlin Phil etc). Always strangely underwhelmed by it. Not loud enough. I found the most accesible stuff to be the more "difficult" 20th century stuff (Schoenberg, Debussy etc). Most symphonic stuff left me cold - just too bombastic and pompous for me. Quite liked Mahler, perversely. Also there is a huge variation in the quality of performances and recordings - you can be turned on or off a piece by the conductor's interpretation or the orchestra's ability to express itself (generally poor - most orchestral musicians are journeyman hacks who have to be told/coaxed/coerced/bullied etc how to play...) Ultimately nothing really grabbed me, and I generally abandoned the exercise, with slightly broader horizons... As for Jazz, i've never really got past the obvious classic stuff (Miles Davis/Coltrane etc). Saw Miles Davis at Wembley Conference centre about 88/89....shambolic, though with some great moments...despit ethe efforts of the band to veer into fusion territory (urgh!) >>(however, i know it's not going to happen with opera). >> Ditto. Just the most appalling racket. All Opera is vile;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 23:16:10 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: avantgardejazzclassical i have had nearly the same experience as mark describes below. here's where my experience differs: i'm a new yorker, so i saw the new york philharmonic. saw bernstein conduct at a couple of gigs, nothing to thrilling though. on record/cd, i would also recommend schoenbergs contemporaries (alban berg and anton webern), stravinsky, ives, henze, stockhausen. tchaikovsky, mendelsohn, ravel each created their share of hummable ditties too. there's more, but those are all good places to start, depending on personal tastes. as for jazz, i haven't gone too far past the classics either. if you like coltrane, his bandmates have all done some fine work (alice coltrane, pharoah sanders, elvin jones), eric dolphy, ornette coleman, duke ellington, charles mingus, max roach (these 3 perform together on the fabulous album "money jungle"), thelonius monk, and the classic be-bop era charlie parker & dizzy gillespie, count basie and duke again for big bands, benny goodman for swing, and louis armstrong is an absolute must. now opera...well, no i don't own any records or cds, except for porgy and bess. and i know that's not the one yer all referring to as far as unlistenability. however, if anyone has captured the sheer beauty of operatic singing and put it within a context idealcopy listers can appreciate, it's vini reilly (durutti column). check out the albums from 1986 to the present, in which he samples the voices and places them alongside his gorgeous melancholic guitar work. stunningly brilliant! - -paul c.d. In a message dated 5/3/01 8:41:00 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > >During the 80s I tried getting into classical music. Went to see some live >stuff (aimed high - Karajan & Berlin Phil etc). Always strangely underwhelmed >by it. Not loud enough. I found the most accesible stuff to be the more >"difficult" 20th century stuff (Schoenberg, Debussy etc). Most symphonic >stuff left me cold - just too bombastic and pompous for me. Quite liked >Mahler, perversely. Also there is a huge variation in the quality of >performances and recordings - you can be turned on or off a piece by the >conductor's interpretation or the orchestra's ability to express itself >(generally poor - most orchestral musicians are journeyman hacks who have >to >be told/coaxed/coerced/bullied etc how to play...) Ultimately nothing really >grabbed me, and I generally abandoned the exercise, with slightly broader >horizons... > >As for Jazz, i've never really got past the obvious classic stuff (Miles >Davis/Coltrane etc). Saw Miles Davis at Wembley Conference centre about >88/89....shambolic, though with some great moments...despit ethe efforts >of >the band to veer into fusion territory (urgh!) > >>>(however, i know it's not going to happen with opera). >> > >Ditto. Just the most appalling racket. All Opera is vile;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 23:32:53 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] buzzing in my eardrums oops, no wire this week. lemme check my tummy...yep, those pains are early signs of withdrawal. reaching for it's all in the brochure as i type this... xtc-wasp star james-stutter pixies-bossanova grenadine-nopalitos david bowie-earthling monaco-music for pleasure cornershop-woman's gotta have it various-palatine (factory records) durutti column-sporadic recordings captain beefheart-troutmask replica louis armstrong-hot fives and sevens and a homemade compilation tape of xtc (1977-1980) - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:42:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] C+M On Thu, 3 May 2001, Wireviews wrote: > Colin and Malka co-write pretty much everything and > there are tracks on Malka albums that started with > Colin and vice-versa. I think in some cases it's quite > random regarding the naming of their CDs, however, one > can probably argue that the names depend on the "bias" > of the music. In other words, CN releases are more > "rock" oriented and Malka releases are more "pop", at > least to a certain extent. To compare an analogous situation, which songs end up on Guided by Voices CDs and which on Robert Pollard's solo CDs have more to do with which kind of CD is due for release than any consideration of quality or style (or so Pollard has said, many times). GBV's labels have often said that they just can't cope with more than one album a year, so the other album's worth of material (at least!) Pollard typically writes end up siphoned off to solo albums, b-sides, EPs, shelved until later for compilations, etc. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Watson! Something's afoot...and it's on the end of my leg:: __Hemlock Stones__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 00:25:40 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] eno and james just an aside, with all the james bashing going on... i didn't get into james too much when they were on factory. it wasn't until eno hooked up with them that i rediscovered this great band. i love everything from laid through millionaires, including wah wah. i was gonna say especially wah wah, but i don't prefer it over the other albums. i think it is wonderful though, to hear a band experimenting in the studio (wah wah) when you also have the opportunity to hear what was extracted from the sessions and used for an album (laid, and some of whiplash). one man's trash is another's treasure i suppose. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 23:39:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hindman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] An Obscure Reference?? > ::Watson! Something's afoot...and it's on the end of > my leg:: > __Hemlock Stones__ HOLY COW! Wasn't that the Firesign Theater??? RJH ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "Suffering is our experience of the distance between what we are and who we wish to become. - -Robert Fripp - ----------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #138 *******************************