From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #137 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, May 3 2001 Volume 04 : Number 137 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] O'SHEA ORDERS [kevin eden ] Re: [idealcopy] Whatever happened to Jello Biafra? [John Roberts )] [idealcopy] RE: OffTopic: Eno's DX7 and the merits of not making music ["] RE: [idealcopy] MTV Get Off The Air! ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] [idealcopy] Codeine [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= ] [idealcopy] fandom v. rockdom ["ian jackson" ] [idealcopy] off topic-praxis makes perfect ["ian jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: OffTopic: Eno's DX7 and the merits of not making music [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [idealcopy] Dusker Hue/Fack Blag [Rick Hindman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 02:47:12 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] O'SHEA ORDERS Orders for the Michael O'Shea CD are being recieved at WMO (UK). As soon as stock arrives they will be despatched. However, a number of cheques are being are being sent payable to WIRE MAIL ORDER. PLEASE NOTE: WMIRE MAIL ORDER does not exist in the UK. All cheques payble under this name will be returned asking for them to be made out to WMO LIMITED. Thanks ===== kevin eden wmo, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk wmouk@yahoo.com http://wiremailorder.com/ "dreams that money can buy" Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 04:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Whatever happened to Jello Biafra? If you go to this site and go to the MP3/video page you'll find MP3s of all sorts of bands including Penny Rimbaud (Crass), The Ex, Flipper and all the usual AT lot. Bit miffed to see Dog Faced Hermans described as a side project of the Ex tho! John > > http://www.alternativetentacles.com > > ===== > Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine > http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine > > "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC > Gilbert > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at > http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 07:08:19 -0500 From: ray (0) (graf ) Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #136 >>>>In Mojo this month, Eno says Computers are crap for music because the interface is crap. True, but unlike James and U2 I can't afford to hire Eno to produce my latest recordings so I'm stuck with my PC.. and the interface his beloved DX7 is good? programming the DX7 has best been compared to painting the interior of your house through a mailslot > Eno also claims that it is unheard of for bands to > play live in the studio these days until recently when > James did so with him - that can't be right can it? nope - lou reed was recording live to binaural in the early 80's with about as interesting results as frank black has today love the solid aluminum guitar (or was lou's the plexi - dunno) maybe eno thinks he influenced albini? lol you know BE has been known to take the piss from time to time just look at the first 2 roxy album covers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 07:15:23 -0500 From: ray (0) (graf ) Subject: [idealcopy] Re: a.s.e. recording is one of the more boring aspects of rockdom touring is the other one gets to be a connesseur of comparative eating a friend tells an amusing tale of butch vig spot erasing bleed-over from each discreet drum track with Pro-Tools on Nevermind took weeks fortunately the band didn't sit through the exercise, and Nevermind is a stunning album sonicly colin's A-Z probably involved a few hours hunched over the decks as well but the point *is* well taken my first studio / demo experience was not dissimilar and the results were , how you say?, flat (which the engineer thought was a positive attribute) > I must say I have experienced working with a Producer who wanted to > record each band instrument separately and somehow construct the track > piece by piece (to make a demo for gods sake) and that experience was so > crushingly dull and frustrating that it made me quit live-band music for > home produced computer music. Best move I ever made. > No wonder these rock bands turn to drugs when it takes 6 hours to sort a > hi-hat part out......shiver! Anal studio engineers in small demo studios > must have killed off the dreams of many a band......("lets just hear that > hi-hat part again"...Arrrrrghh! Its costing us #20 an hour this! We're > not making The Wall or Rumours! Lets just get the track down.!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 15:31:10 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: OffTopic: Eno's DX7 and the merits of not making music > >>>>In Mojo this month, Eno says Computers are crap > for music because the interface is crap. True, but > unlike James and U2 I can't afford to hire Eno to > produce my latest recordings so I'm stuck with my PC.. > > and the interface his beloved DX7 is good? > programming the DX7 has best been compared to painting the > interior of your > house through a mailslot Yuck, does he still use it? The DX7 is one of the worst keyboards ever invented: Naff sounds, horrible plastic feel to the keys, and the programming is so crap. I can still recognise DX7 sounds heard in 80's productions. It's been so hugely popular, yet Yamaha's overly complicated algorithmic programming system didn't get anywhere. No-one actually seemed to understand anything about it (did you know anyone who managed to program the DX7?). It was one of the first keyboards that supported MIDI, though. > recording is one of the more boring aspects of rockdom > touring is the other What's left, then? Writing songs? That's even more boring and always brings to mind Eric Idle as Paul McCartney in the Rutles film, desperately trying to write a decent tune on the piano. Maybe it's time people realise that being a fan is much more interesting and exciting than making music. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:32:37 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] MTV Get Off The Air! > > I guess once you become an owner of a famous recording label you are not > > releasing much music of my own (see NEWMAN, COLIN and SWIM :) >I don't think this is a very good example. If you only define Colin's stuff >as Wire or Colin Newman albums then it's probably true, but I >always considered his & Malka's stuff as the same. It doesn't really >matter to me whose name is on the sleeve - this is a Colin/Malka >project for me. I know Colin is engaged in all Malka's projects, but there gotta be reasons for him not putting the name on the cover - I would guess it has to do with the person who writes the tunes to begin with. >Which famous record company does Biafra own then? Alternative Tentacles - http://www.AlternativeTentacles.com Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:52:09 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Springheel Jack (OT) >From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= >>>>>Spring Heel Jack - 'Oddities' is girating on my >seedy rom (one of the few Drum & Bass/Electronica acts > to namecheck LaMonte Young and get a commsion from >Radio 3)...highlight is track 1 entitled 'Root' and >may or may not be a Thurston Moore collaboration....he >is credited but not for any specific track. Anyone >know if its this one? > >SHJ are on Root, so it might be the same track. It is. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:02:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hindman Subject: [idealcopy] OT - picks o' the week! Here's what's buzzing my eardrums while at work this week: Bowie - Low Bruce Cocburn - Stealing Fire Creme/Godley - L/Freeze Frame Delerium - Poem The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour Garbage - Version 2.0 Lisa Gerrard - The Mirror Pool He Said - Hail Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians - Respect Husker Du - Candy Apple Grey Jean Michel Jarre - Zoolook KMFDM - Adios Lords of Acid - Our Little Secret Colin Newman - It Seems Prodigy - Fat of the Land Radiohead - The Bends The Residents - Gingerbread Man Skinny Puppy - 12" Anthology The Soft Boys - Underwater Moonlight Split Enz - See Ya 'Round Tangerine Dream - Rubycon Television - Marquee Moon Type O Negative - October Rust Wire - It's All in the Brochure Xorcist - Phantoms They have helped make an otherwise dreary week tolerable! RJH ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "Suffering is our experience of the distance between what we are and who we wish to become. - -Robert Fripp - ----------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 18:31:28 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Codeine They split up but since then their last drummer Doug Scarin has played with Rex, June of 44 and is currently te man behind Him. Steven Immerwahr did record a single since but I can't remember under what name or anything and haven't heard it. Sorry! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:37:23 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Dusker Hue/Fack Blag Graeme wrote :- Husker Du probably owed more to the Beatles and the Who than 77 punk. presumably because they covered songs by both bands. Black Flag were just a crap band, the US answer to Bad Manners. ^_^ ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:22:11 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] fandom v. rockdom giluz wrote :- Maybe it's time people realise that being a fan is much more interesting and exciting than making music. after over 20 years of being a 'musician' (kind of), i tend to agree with the above statement. ^_- ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:39:12 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] off topic-praxis makes perfect giluz wrote :- Maybe that's why Eno's considered as such a prophet - if you say lots of nonsense over a long enough period, some of it is bound to turn out true, while the rest will just be forgotten. Anyone remembers any other kind of nonsense made by Eno throughout the years? no, but i suspect Eno's premise is the same that Tony Wilson said about 'praxis', 'praxis makes perfect'?? in other words, pick up a turd (eg, 'late' period James) throw it high in the air, see how big a splat it makes...and wait to see if anyone steps in it. ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:53:09 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Codeine Ian Grant wrote :- Amen. Codeine were an astonishing band, real "top ten" material. There are plenty of records that I can listen to at any given moment, lots of great stuff that comes and goes every year...but, bloody hell, Codeine just matter so much when you need something more than that. They offer a better articulation of resignation, defeat, curling-up-in-a-ball-under-the-duvet depression than any band I've ever heard. it's funny, but in a way, Codeine (and, of course Joy Div) records always lift me out of a slump in spirits rather then put me in one. when people say they make depressing records, i always say 'sorry, but i find them incredibly uplifting'. To the best of my knowledge, they split up after the third lp, "The White Birch". shame, but full credit to them for not milking/ruining it. any band that admits to Section 25's 'Always Now' lp being a prime influence, is ok by me. i say again, what a band... cheers, ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:54:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: OffTopic: Eno's DX7 and the merits of not making music On Wed, 2 May 2001, giluz wrote: > > >>>>In Mojo this month, Eno says Computers are crap > > for music because the interface is crap. True, but > > unlike James and U2 I can't afford to hire Eno to > > produce my latest recordings so I'm stuck with my PC.. > > > > and the interface his beloved DX7 is good? But Eno typically admires the quirks and accidents of machinery rather than their engineered efficiency - recall he started out working an old Revox whose gears were all wobbly - so this makes a perverse sort of sense. I think his argument re computers is that the interface ought to be more direct, physical, intuitive (obviously a Mac guy). I didn't read the interview in question, but based on what he's said in the past... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I play the guitar. Sometimes I play the fool:: __John Lennon__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 00:10:29 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] it's playlist time again kids... for this last week or so :- Television - Marquee Moon (hey, Rick, synchronous!) The Flaming Lips - Clouds Taste Metallic/Soft Bulletin Bows - Big Wings EP The Monkees - Headquarters Jeff Buckley - Sketches for... The Lemonheads - Go on, listen to... Bedhead - Transaction de Novo Bob Dylan - Blonde On Blonde Arcwelder - Entropy 'Rough Guide To The Music Of India & Pakistan' Pixies - Trompe Le Monde Long Fin Killie - Amelia/Valentino Guided By Voices - Peel Session, Dec '99 (classic) Yo La Tengo - I Can Hear The Heart... The Sea and Cake - Two Gentlemen Cornelius - Fantasma Jon Spencer Blues Explosion - Orange Spain - The Blue Moods Of Spain Half Man Half Biscuit - Some Call It Godcore Camper Van Beethoven - III New Order - Technique Dock Boggs - Country Blues (1927-29) ...plus a whole bunch of classical lp's bought from a charity shop for 20 pence each featuring the sounds of... Ravel, Debussy, Beethoven (his 2nd appearance this week!!) Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Holst (yes, The Planets), Grieg, Schumann, Rachmaninov, Roussel... mostly well known piano concertos and preludes, but also got two wonderful classical harp lp's (the big one, not the gob-iron), sadly no Mozart though, the original 'punk-rocker'. See the film 'Amadeus' if you haven't seen it, even if you have no interest in all that ancient boring stuff you were force-fed at school!! you won't be sorry, it's just a great film in itself... i'll get me coat...regards, ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:09:51 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Re: a.s.e. >a friend tells an amusing tale of butch vig spot erasing bleed-over from each >discreet drum track with Pro-Tools on Nevermind >took weeks >fortunately the band didn't sit through the exercise, and Nevermind is a >stunning album sonicly > Actually, I don't think it was Butch Vig. This sounds like something Andy Wallace would do during mixdown. Now, where did my Mix magazine interview with Andy go? (^_^) There's a pretty good recap of the making of Nevermind here: http://www.nirvanaclub.com/interviews/hs_never.htm Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:54:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hindman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dusker Hue/Fack Blag - --- ian jackson wrote: > Graeme wrote :- > Husker Du probably owed more to the Beatles > and the Who than 77 punk. > And although it leads right back to the Beatles, I also think, (Warehouse, especially!) that Husker Du owed quite a lot to XTC as well. Another band with two separate songwriters blending into a single band. RJH ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "Suffering is our experience of the distance between what we are and who we wish to become. - -Robert Fripp - ----------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! 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