From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #136 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, May 2 2001 Volume 04 : Number 136 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: Codeine [Ian Grant ] [idealcopy] OffTopic: New Napster Substitute ["giluz" ] [idealcopy] IBM; Husker Du [Michael Flaherty ] [idealcopy] Re: MTV Get Off The Air! ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] RE: [idealcopy] Kevin Shields Had Slipped My Mind ["giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Codeine At 21:11 30/04/01 -0400, Ian wrote: >Chris also played drums on the excellent Codeine debut Frigid Stars. > >i know, 'Cave In' still wrecks me every time i put it on!! >a classic lp, but then all of Codeine's are, what a band. Amen. Codeine were an astonishing band, real "top ten" material. There are plenty of records that I can listen to at any given moment, lots of great stuff that comes and goes every year...but, bloody hell, Codeine just matter so much when you need something more than that. They offer a better articulation of resignation, defeat, curling-up-in-a-ball-under-the-duvet depression than any band I've ever heard. >what are they doing now? are they still together or what? To the best of my knowledge, they split up after the third lp, "The White Birch". Really, it's difficult to imagine what they could've done after that record. After uneven attempts at varying the formula on the first two albums, they finally abandoned all of that. So "The White Birch" is recorded in black and white, shorn entirely of decoration. Its only tempo change is to get slower over time. Suicidally single-minded, starkly beautiful...and, to my mind, one of the masterpieces of the nineties. Where could they possibly go from there? Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 17:39:45 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] OffTopic: New Napster Substitute Morpheus is a great Napster-like programme, for those of you who got tired of trying to misspell band names. You can download it from www.cnet.com. A search for Wire, for example, gave me a list of more than 40 songs, all of them by Wire (you won't find naff versions of Bird on a Wire on this search). giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 10:25:14 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] IBM; Husker Du >From: Andrew N Westmeyer >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IBM; FUCK SHIT UP > >Excerpts from mail: 30-Apr-101 [idealcopy] IBM; FUCK SHIT UP by Michael >Flaherty@triton. >> >IBM - The Oval Recording >> >> Playing as I write. I made a tape copy that I play >> at my work desk every day. > >I made a CD copy, but since I share an office... Understood ... I have to be careful about volume. One day I played a recording I have of Mats Gustafson and Thurston Moore just a little too loud. "Was that Whale sounds"? >From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IBM; FUCK SHIT UP > >.......i downloaded the panasonic peel session off napster (with bruce on >guitar!) , really enjoyed it but not sure where to go next of the dozens of >other PS tracks on there. the wireviews review of IBM didn't make me think it >was very "accessible"...... It's not. I haven't read the review (my server seems to find wireviews pretty hard to load), but, like almost all solo Bruce, it's not for people who demand, well, accessability. ;) > >and , by the way , i never could get husker du (or any of bob moulds other Nor can I, which is too bad, because I probably could have seen them over 50 times, having, as I noted w/ regards to the Replacements, lived in Mpls. at the time. I saw one of H. D.'s first gigs ... they were the first band of 3. Just awful. The DJ even made fun of them ("Wasn't that EXCITING..."). I was pretty surprised when the buzz started, so I checked them out again and yes, they had improved remarkably--could hardly believe it was the same band. They just ... weren't for me. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 18:01:20 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: MTV Get Off The Air! >>So what the Hell happened to Jello Biafra anyway??? >He didn't watch enough MTV, so he got so political and ideological >that he thought the music was secondary. Last I heard of him, he kept >releasing double or triple CD sets, containing mostly political >sermons and hardly any music. Well, yes, he recently released his sixth spoken word CD. However, he keeps recording music as well, mostly thru collaborations - with DOA, Ministry (under the name of Lard), Steel Pole Bath Tub, Krist Novoselik of Nirvana (under the name of No WTO Combo), etc. I guess once you become an owner of a famous recording label you are not releasing much music of my own (see NEWMAN, COLIN and SWIM :) Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 23:56:51 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Recommended Pan Sonic (Bruce Not On Guitar) Paul R said >>>>i downloaded the panasonic peel session off napster (with bruce on guitar!) I'm pretty certain there's no guitar on that session. Bruce is actually fiddling with effects and processing sounds made by panasonic. Pan sonic albums tend to be be quite varied from track to track, but a couple of my favourites are their Merzbow remix from Scumtron and Telakoe from A. Perhaps the most similar to the Peel session is the Osasto EP. If you want hard driving four to the floor beats look out for the B EP. The 2 most recent albums A & Aaltopiiri are probably my favourites, and the last track from Aaltopiiri is about as dancey as they get! A has a middle section of high sine tone pieces which might be regarded as difficult listening... Their remix of Neubauten's Nnnaaammm is also a unique one, stripping it back to a motor hum and by far the best of the patchy Ende Neu remixes. The only thing I've heard that was really pointless was their Recoil remix (probably done for similar reasons as the Wire Erasure thing?) Did anyone hear their Bjork remix? The IBM album+7" on Mego is almost sold out if you didn't get it and want it hurry! These records had very few copies left as of yesterdays mail out from them. It is certainly a thing unto itself and is very noisy. The gatefold is worth seeing. I think its very nice myself. They should've been watching tennis rather than cricket though as its a bit of a racket! As a Bruce pan sonic footnote When he DJed at the Manchester Festiival of Drifting he laid some melodic synth thing over a pan sonic beat which worked very well. Lock up your hats! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 23:57:54 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Kevin Shields Had Slipped My Mind Thanks for the Shields info. Well duh... I have 2 copies (vinyl & CD) of Shields' Yo La Tengo remix. I've been into Yo La Tengo since their new Wave Hot Dogs album and I'm glad they've got the acclaim they always deserved. The weakly press used to patronise them with a 'new band' article every now and then, despite the fact that they were notching up a fair few albums. >>>>He plays on one of the EAR albums (with Sonic Boom and Kevin Martin) I also have the EAR album which also features Eddie Prevost and is quite good and is what led me to check out AMM which is generally better. I think its the only EAR record I have. This is the drawback of listening to so much music - you forget things! I've played that EAR CD loads! I've also heard the Mascis album but hadn't looked at the credits... that last track is the best thing he's done for a very long time! >>>>Is Shields Mogwai remix better faster or slower then? The 12" doesn't indicate a playing speed, but its supposed to go at 45 at which it sounds best but all 3 tracks sound pretty good at 33 as well. Having a vinyl copy of the album means I can also do the Surgeon track sped up! Actually I think I prefer the Mu-Ziq track slow! >>>>I have a compilation of those split 12"s on a CD somewhere, I'll dig it out sometime They omitted both Anthony Childs tracks from the compilation. Pelicanneck had some copies of the 12" reduced to 2 quid not that long ago. >>>>In Mojo this month, Eno says Computers are crap for music because the interface is crap. True, but unlike James and U2 I can't afford to hire Eno to produce my latest recordings so I'm stuck with my PC.. Eno also claims that it is unheard of for bands to play live in the studio these days until recently when James did so with him - that can't be right can it? >>>>Spring Heel Jack - 'Oddities' is girating on my seedy rom (one of the few Drum & Bass/Electronica acts to namecheck LaMonte Young and get a commsion from Radio 3)...highlight is track 1 entitled 'Root' and may or may not be a Thurston Moore collaboration....he is credited but not for any specific track. Anyone know if its this one? SHJ are on Root, so it might be the same track. Haven't heard the album but they did a live set for Mixing It which was very good and unlike anything else I've heard from them (a lot more out there than I expected). I think they also had Philip Jeck on the same bill. There is a review of Mogwai's Rock Action up on the new Brain with 3 1min MP3 excerpts if anyone is interested in checking it out... my review of the Rip Off Artist is there too! http://www.brainwashed.com/brain/brainv04i16.html Lock up your hats! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 23:58:37 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Whatever happened to Jello Biafra? Jeff said >>>>Well, rhetorically, punk of the DKs' school always did push things pretty far - but simplified to "if you never bother to think about anything, by default you'll just believe what you're told," I think this is true. It becomes deeply ironic by the time you get to "Maximum RnR"-type orthodoxy, of course... Very true. Of course Maximum Rock'n'Roll are not punk at all anymore. No one who writes a rulebook for what punk is can be punk. Jello Biafra has been as busy as ever. Some bozos broke his legs for selling out. The rest of the former DK's sued him for not selling out. He ran for mayor of San Francisco for the Green Party. He made some more Lard and spoken word records. He put out lots of records on his label http://www.alternativetentacles.com ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 01:38:37 +0100 From: Tim Robinson Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Kevin Shields Had Sprung Heels Graeme Rowland wrote: He plays on one of the EAR albums (with Sonic Boom and Kevin Martin) I also have the EAR album which also features Eddie Prevost and is quite good and is what led me to check out AMM which is generally better. I think its the only EAR record I have. I've just dug it out and its called The Kohner Experiment. I'm not crazy about it.But I always prefered Jason's stuff anyway! Sonic Boom has made loads of albums since Spacemen 3 and I lost count around 1993! Are there any Sonic fans out there who can give us a guided tour of his vast solo archive? he 12" doesn't indicate a playing speed, but its supposed to go at 45 at which it sounds best but all 3 tracks sound pretty good at 33 as well. That reminds me of a great 12" Autechre did called Anti, which is designed to be played at either 33 or 45. It was a response to some daft bit of legislation in the Criminal Justice Act which defined an unlicensed gathering of 100 or more people listening to loud, repetetive beats as an illegal rave....someting like that. Quite scary really! Dark days. Anyway Autchre programmed a track where the beats changed on every bar so there was no repetition, but on the sleeve they advise DJs to have a musicologist present in case of arrest. Eno also claims that it is unheard of for bands to play live in the studio these days until recently when James did so with him - that can't be right can it? Well anyone who judges current music recording practice by what James do is, dare I say, a little out of touch? I must say I have experienced working with a Producer who wanted to record each band instrument separately and somehow construct the track piece by piece (to make a demo for gods sake) and that experience was so crushingly dull and frustrating that it made me quit live-band music for home produced computer music. Best move I ever made. No wonder these rock bands turn to drugs when it takes 6 hours to sort a hi-hat part out......shiver! Anal studio engineers in small demo studios must have killed off the dreams of many a band......("lets just hear that hi-hat part again"...Arrrrrghh! Its costing us #20 an hour this! We're not making The Wall or Rumours! Lets just get the track down.!!!) Spring Heel Jack - 'Oddities' is girating on my seedy rom ( Thurston Moore collaboration....he is credited but not for any specific track. Anyone know if its this one? SHJ are on Root, so it might be the same track. Haven't heard the album but they did a live set for Mixing It which was very good and unlike anything else I've heard from them (a lot more out there than I expected). Ooh you'd like this one Graeme. I think its an import only thing and perhaps not worth paying import price for so I'll burn you a copy if you want. Track 6 is 'Piece for Six Turntables' credited as recorded for Radio 3 so thats probably the session you heard. Theres also a track based around William Burroughs 'The Road to Western Lands', and a violin drone piece dedicated to LaMonte Young. I also think you'd like an EP they did called Sound of Music, which is crumbling, warped, indeed scraping renditions of tracks from the Hollywood musical of the same name....kind of what I hoped V/vm might be like....but he isn't. The best thing they have done recently is an EP on Tugboat called 'Bombscare' which was a collaboration with Low, and brings out the best in both bands I reckon. Have you got that one? Their other recent records have been an attempt to combine avante garde music with really nasty, brutal, distorted drum and bass which is a bit hit and miss, but when they get it right they get it really spot on. Trouble with SHJ is they have a pop sensibility which drags them back to bass! I connect with them! I empathise with their struggle! "Radiators For All" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 18:15:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hindman Subject: [idealcopy] casting a wish into the wind?? I recently mailed the round CD insert that came with the 'Coatings' album to the WMO US address that was on it. I was reading Kevin Eden's interview today and am suspecting that I may have just thrown a (small) bit of money away. Has anyone had good or bad luck with this CD single? Also, picked up a used copy of He Said "Hail" and BOY is it different than "Take Care"!! I'm going to have to study that album alot harder!!! Happy Beltane all!!!! Burn a fire tonight and shed your cares, worries and negative energy!! The sun King is on his way back!! RJH ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "Suffering is our experience of the distance between what we are and who we wish to become. - -Robert Fripp - ----------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 03:16:34 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] casting a wish into the wind?? In a message dated 02/05/01 02:28:59 GMT Daylight Time, r_j_h@yahoo.com writes: > Has anyone had good or bad luck with this CD single? > > Hi Rick I mailed that insert in the UK & got it no problem.Couldn't comment about things Stateside though. Cheers Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:01:53 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: MTV Get Off The Air! > I guess once you become an owner of a famous recording label you are not > releasing much music of my own (see NEWMAN, COLIN and SWIM :) > I don't think this is a very good example. If you only define Colin's stuff as Wire or Colin Newman albums then it's probably true, but I always considered his & Malka's stuff as the same. It doesn't really matter to me whose name is on the sleeve - this is a Colin/Malka project for me. I don't really know how much time Colin has to dedicate to managing the company, but it's a very small company, with not a lot of artists, most of whom only release one album every few years. As to it being famous, I seriously doubt it. Which famous record company does Biafra own then? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:08:45 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Kevin Shields Had Slipped My Mind > >>>>In Mojo this month, Eno says Computers are crap > for music because the interface is crap. True, but > unlike James and U2 I can't afford to hire Eno to > produce my latest recordings so I'm stuck with my PC.. I thought we were saved from the dipensable presence of James a long time ago. Didn't know they still existed. Why should Eno produce them? What a naff thing to do. > > Eno also claims that it is unheard of for bands to > play live in the studio these days until recently when > James did so with him - that can't be right can it? Maybe that's why Eno's considered as such a prophet - if you say lots of nonsense over a long enough period, some of it is bound to turn out true, while the rest will just be forgotten. Anyone remembers any other kind of nonsense made by Eno throughout the years? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:12:10 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] casting a wish into the wind?? > > Has anyone had good or bad luck with this CD single? > > > > > > Hi Rick > I mailed that insert in the UK & got it no problem.Couldn't > comment about things Stateside though. > I ordered it directly from the WMO US site without using the insert, and had no problem as well. giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #136 *******************************