From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #131 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, April 28 2001 Volume 04 : Number 131 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Pretty Straight Damaged US Hardcore [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20] [idealcopy] What do you call almost 100 Belgians.. [MrSodium@aol.com] [idealcopy] Shock Horror! I Don't really like the Pixies! [Tim Robinson <] [idealcopy] playlist for the week ending 4-29-2001 ["david mack" Subject: [idealcopy] Pretty Straight Damaged US Hardcore If Flipper and Butthole Surfers were 'pretty straight US punk' then who was making the pretty weird US punk? Just because you personally weren't listening to these bands at the time has little to do with anything, apart from whether or not you had enough interest to go and seek them out. Butthole Surfers were on Blast First so their records should have been as easy to find as those of Big Black, Sonic Youth & Dinosaur Jr. Both these bands were more original and extreme than Dinosaur Jr who were somewhat pre-empted by Neil Young's 'Sedan Delivery'... What I am getting at ultimately I suppose is that I'm pig sick of this notion that Nirvana only sold a lot of records because other bands did all the work for them or whatever. Pixies were Pixies. Nirvana listened to them and were influenced by them. This does not mean that Pixies should get all the credit for every Black Sabbath fan that thought Nirvana rocked or whatever. It's just absurd. Anyway, I'm getting into my time machine now and I'm going to go back and stop Black Francis' parents meeting, and if when I get back my copy of 'Nevermind' no longer exists then I will conceed that this spurious argument is not just a lot of hot air. Then I'll assassinate Neil Young and see if the Dinosaur records vanish in a puff of smoke! I've never heard a Meat Puppets album that sounded anything like 'pretty straight US punk'. Have you actually heard them Mark??? Which other pretty straight US punk band sounded anything like the Meat Puppets????? Lets face it, US punk was never 'pretty straight' despite what you may have heard about that aberration 'straight edge'. The Replacements - now there's a band who knew how to get more boring with every record! And I have them all, although it's only the first 3 that I can actually listen to anymore. John>>>>I thought/think Damaged was/is one of the ultimate LPs. Never was an album more appropriately titled. The outsider music of a vast continent boiled down to just 5 bands for the sake of consumer convenience was never what punk was about. Over and out! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:22:13 EDT From: MrSodium@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] What do you call almost 100 Belgians.. going up in an elevator? 99 lift Walloons. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 03:39:33 +0100 From: Tim Robinson Subject: [idealcopy] Shock Horror! I Don't really like the Pixies! Erm.....am I the only person on this list who isn't particularly thrilled by the Pixies? Personally I lump them in with Nirvana as bands that are regarded as classic, get loads of posthumous praise, very influential for loads of shit bands like Ash, front cover of MOJO, made some classic pop singles that when very very drunk I can dance to. But thats it. They don't excite me at all. I understand why other people like them but they never enter my headphones as I get no pleasure from them sonically at all. I don't listen to the Sex Pistols records for similar reasons. I understand the significance of what they did and I enjoy reading about them and I loved The Filth & The Fury but I wouldn't sit down and listen to Never Mind the Bollocks. Same goes for Nirvana and The Pixies. I'm more interested in whats new next week! p.s,. Theres a new Depeche Mode LP out next isn;t there?!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:50:50 -0500 From: "david mack" Subject: [idealcopy] playlist for the week ending 4-29-2001 jim white - no such place i was originally attracted by notes that some songs were produced by sochiro suzuki of world standard ?fame? but found the first release , wrong-eyed jesus, to be really special. have to give this one a chance. southern american gothic (not goth) by a truly individual voice despite being on luaka bop (frequently the brand of cred crud) various mille plateaux artistest - clicks and cuts 2 as good a survey of abstract bleepage as most child's view - hoshi no koe a nobekazu takemura nom de guerre silly me - i ordered this one from japan when it is available both in the us and england oh well - a $15 obi and a great album really looking forward to sign - at least the japanese edition of that one has 2 bonus tracks i have become a major fan of takemura's chilDisc label leading to : water forms - water town really nice understated guitar loopage nothing so thick or annoying as splattercell david torn seems genuinely a nice guy and i understand where he's coming from, but i cannot listen to it on the otherhand - this watertown may become a gentle mainstay for the year maze - greatest hits simply beautiful slowjams from back in tha day maybe monday - saturn's finger fred frith , miya masaoka , larry ochs i *saw* one of the two shows from which this release was culled i marvelled at the depth and openess of the communication between these three infrequent collaborators and still do enough has been written about frith - and most of it deservedly good miya masaoka's koto virtuosity as well as looping exploration was inspirational for me and larry ochs' manages to be an accompanist on saxaphone - something not often seen HIGHLY recommended IBM - The Oval Recording thick and gooey a triple fudge chocolate cake for the ears akiko yano - home girl journey & go girl the two most recent yano recordings have mad their way back into rotation repeatedly and i cannot tell you exactly why certainly nothing which grabs one on the first listen except a loose approach and pure understated joy which rewards each successive listen more cubismo grafico - tout! nice shibuya jpop david werner - david werner 80's comeback which never quite took dualing heavy compressed guitar and glammish wave vocals skinny stripey tie on the cover picked up at a record con for $3 last month whee! jan jelinek - loop-finding-jazz-records best title of the year and a crackling good listen as well looking forward to MacDonald Duck Eclair next week ^_^ ray)(0)(mac ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:05:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hindman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Shock Horror! I Don't really like the Pixies! Tim et al... > Erm.....am I the only person on this list who isn't > particularly thrilled > by the Pixies? Well, I have to say I'm on your side of the fence, Tim. About as far as I got with the Pixies was when a neighbor made a cassette with 'Dolittle' and 'Surfer Rosa' in an attempt to convert me. I liked Dolittle alot, but after a few weeks, I just got kind of bored with them. I heard Bossanova once at a friend's house and that was all. The closest I came to seeing them live was when they cancelled a show in Santa Cruz at the last minute due to them needing a forklift to set their stage up...which they didn't mention to the rather small venue owner/booker. Overall, I have to say that aside from how they've influenced folks, they don't rate real high on my list. RJH ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "Suffering is our experience of the distance between what we are and who we wish to become. - -Robert Fripp - ----------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:05:19 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] [OT] Shock Horror! I Don't really like the Pixies ! >[The Pixies] made some classic pop singles >that when very very drunk I can dance to. >But thats it. They don't excite me at all. That's an interesting perspective. From my point of view, the Pixies were a noise band who experimented with pop music structure and, at their best, came up with something new. Their "classic pop singles" - like "Here comes your man" for example - hold no interest for me at all. I tend to favor songs like "Broken Face", "Break My Body", "Gouge Away" and "Crackity Jones". I think what interests me about the Pixies is they sound like cacophony channeled into a pop structure, not pop with cacophonic overtones. This is similar to the reasons I like Wire and Autechre, for example. When I listen to pop music, I get bored immediately, since my mind has already filled in the blanks of what comes next. My mind never quite knows what bands like Wire and the Pixies are going to do though, and that's why I keep listening to them. On the flipside, if the music is *too* random, then my desire for "a hook" is never fulfilled, and I can't connect with the artist at all. >I'm more interested in whats new next week! Yeah, me too. But, unfortunately, I'm not finding anything that's "pinging my radar". I've been buying a lot of reissues lately, which is extremely depressing. I've been having better luck buying Anime, which is a topic we don't want to get into here. (^_^) > p.s,. Theres a new Depeche Mode LP out next isn't there?!!!!!!!!! Yeah, new R.E.M. too - that is, if Peter Buck isn't "At Her Majesty's Pleasure". And, don't forget Radiohead's "Kid B"...er..."Amnesiac" Hey - I just saw that Grant Hart is making a rare, live appearance here in Seattle soon. I think he's playing with Jon Auer of the Posies. Might be worth seeing. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:25:25 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Pixies - "Planet of Sound" versions Hi everyone, After Graeme's letter, I went home and dug out my Planet of Sound single. Yes, it's pretty different. If you'd like to hear the two versions, I've placed them in RealAudio, sorta low bitrate. This is just for your educational purposes only - don't make copies for your friends!! (^_^) http://www.weasel-bot.com/pixies/POS_album.ram http://www.weasel-bot.com/pixies/POS_single.ram Listen especially to Blank Francis' vocals. The album version has a "Tremolo" effect to it. The album mix is also more spacious, and less claustrophobic, but maybe not as hard rocking as the single version. These files are in streaming RealAudio 8, BTW. And, I don't know why I thought there was Theremin on that track - not a "wheeooo" to be heard. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #131 *******************************