From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #125 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, April 25 2001 Volume 04 : Number 125 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] [OT] Ron Johnson [Ian Grant ] [idealcopy] [OT] Ron Johnson [Ian Grant ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Guitar bands for the 80s (in pop?) [Chris.Ray@medas.] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Guitar bands for the 80s (in pop?) [=?iso-8859-1?Q?F] Re: [idealcopy] Re: [OT] Guitar bands for the 80s (in pop?) [MarkBursa@ao] Re: [idealcopy] Joy Division/Wire live albums [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Jackdaw with Crowbar/The Ex [John Roberts ] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #123 [Michael Flaherty ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Kitchens of Distinction [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] 80 Sub-Pop #6 [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) James Brown of 'BZAG'.. ["Ian B" ] [idealcopy] Cinerama Gig ["scott kellock" ] RE: [idealcopy] Chicago people ["giluz" ] RE: [idealcopy] [OT] Guitar bands for the 80s (in pop?) ["giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Ron Johnson Hi, >They were on Ron Johnson records in the UK. Same >label as Stump, Noseflutes, The Ex, the Shrubs, and >Leamington Spa's very own Jackdaw With Crowbar. Oh, now you're talking! Some of the stuff that Ron Johnson was putting out at its peak was absolutely unbelievable. The early Stump records, before they dug a hole for themselves on a major label, were fantastic - wonderfully off-kilter and funky pop, with a twist of Joyce. The Noseflutes, although they released their finest work later on, always struck me as being incredibly underrated too. And you've forgotten the jewel in the crown, of course - the one, the only...Big Flame. Without wishing to digress even further, Keith Curtis from A Witness was part of John Robb's Gold Blade, last I heard. Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2001 09:08:36 -0000 From: Ian Grant Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Ron Johnson Hi, A page devoted to Ron Johnson, which puts it far better than I ever could and includes a full catalogue: http://timewasting.net/music/ronj/ Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:23:53 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Guitar bands for the 80s (in pop?) >>>I just want to throw in "Kitchens Of Distinction" who I also rate very highly & am currently having "Stephen Hero" e-mails pasted at me every other month. Drive That Fast - a gem of a song. Kitchens were excellent! I great guitar band. It's about time they got a mention on the list. C The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:11:07 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Frank_J=FCrgen_W=F6rner?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Guitar bands for the 80s (in pop?) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Guitar bands for the 80s (in pop?) > >>>I just want to throw in "Kitchens Of Distinction" who I also rate very > highly & am currently having "Stephen Hero" e-mails pasted at me every > other month. > Drive That Fast - a gem of a song. > > Kitchens were excellent! I great guitar band. It's about time they got a > mention on the list. That's true but my favourites were Revolver. Their two cds are still played frequently at my house. .... lots of other Shoegazers are still worth listening ... Ride Teenage Fanclub etc. Frank from Bavaria ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 06:59:38 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: [OT] Guitar bands for the 80s (in pop?) Ian, << >in some quick pop sense (so as not compare to the more off-center bands >like The Chameleons, House of Love, or even My Bloody Valentine). Well, I always admired the Pixies far more than I loved them. For me, the very magnificent Dinosaur Jr soared far higher and touched more raw nerves at that time. And they were pop in much the same way as the Pixies were pop, really. >> Pixies(dynamics), DJr (tunes) and Husker Du (guitar racket, more tunes) between them fathered the Nirvana end of grunge (not the Pearl Jam end - that came from more traditional rock sources eg Led Zep). All top bands, those three. Put fast/hard guitar music back on the map in a way that bands like House of Love could only dream of. MBV were another entity altogether. Wish I'd seen one of the later gigs where the sheer volume made members of the audience ill.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 07:30:50 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Joy Division/Wire live albums << Can't find this around here yet... but I hear that the Dutch tracks are of lesser quality than the bootlegs. I remember that the album notes (on the bootleg) stated that the original recorded tape was sent to Factory for release. I am speculating that Peter has the tapes (as he has all the live stuff) and would not cooperate with Wilson on this release. >> Must say I'm disappointed by the Paris release. First, it's only half the gig. Apparently someone nicked the original master tape from the French radio station that broadcast it in the first place. So the album is (I think) taken from a recorded tape of the broadcast. Secondly, the "extra tracks" are poor quality recordings. There are three tracks from Amsterdam (another radio set) and several more from Eindhoven (a much-bootlegged audience tape). Now I have two separate vinyl bootlegs of the Amsterdam gig (Gruftgesaenge and Amsterdam) both of which are far superior recordings - better balanced, better bass, less tinny etc than the "official" version. And I gather there are even better CD bootlegs out there. And why not fill up the CD with Amsterdam recordings rather than stuff from Eindhoven? At least the entire thing would have been a soundboard recording of consistent quality, rather than dropping out into an audience tape three-quarters of the way through. There's enough different songs between the Paris and Amsterdam sets to fill the CD, including versions of some of the Eindhoven songs in much better fidelity (eg Atmosphere/Atrocity Exhibition etc). Why not release an "ultimate" Amsterdam gig too? It'd sell, and kill the bootleg trade... What is factory playing at? Are there really no mixing desk recordings of JD? The stuff on the box set is also audience recorded (Factory/Lyceum/Bournemouth/YMCA).... Of course, we know there's more. The whole of the Moonlight gig (from which Sister Ray on Still was taken) must exist. And I don't believe they only started taping gigs off the desk in April 80. Same goes for early New Order. I know Peter Hook has most of this stuff (including the Beach Club debut gig) and here's hoping that Tony will move on to NO next. As for Wire, they were much better at getting soundboard recordings! There are certainly enough mixing desk concert tapes to make a really good 78-79 live album and there is no shortage of 80s stuff. There'd be no shortage of volunteers to compile the track listings :-) Surely PinkFlag.com is the perfect place to relase these? You could almost do them as CD-Rs to order, at a premium price. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:21:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Jackdaw with Crowbar/The Ex The bands that pop up on this list you'd think I knew everyone in indiepopdom. I used to live in Leamington Spa and actually lived in the flat above Mr Jackdaw, Tim Ellis. One of the guys I lived with I was in a band with and he used to be in Jackdaw too - he's now in Archbishop Kebab. Jdaw later had the guy from Bogshed whose name escapes me at the mo (Trish?) on bass. Yeah, I've got all the Jackdaw stuff - not a problem to do you a tape. Mail me off list. Kat and Terrie from the Ex stayed at my house in Warwick once. Nice people but a bit smelly! They also played gigs in Leamington quite often. Supported them a couple of times including gigs with Dog Faced Hermans. One of the Hermans was also in the Ex. John - --- WAndyComer@aol.com wrote: > are there any list members who love the ex as much > as i? > and does anyone have the jackdaw with crowbar > release(s)? i have been > looking for this stuff for quite awhile now... > andy Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:01:44 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Big Flame etc John, << The bands that pop up on this list you'd think I knew everyone in indiepopdom. >> Well, if you don't, I do! >>And you've forgotten the jewel in the crown, of course - the one, the only...Big Flame.<< Greg O'Keeffe (guitarist) was a good friend of mine from Blackpool. He'd played in various local bands, and he went to Manchester Uni about the same time I went to Aston. Used to stay at his flat on trips to see gigs in Manchester. Big Flame wasvery much based around Josef K - fast'n' trebly, with a built-in self-destruct-after-one-album clause, which they stuck to. >>Without wishing to digress even further, Keith Curtis from A Witness was part of John Robb's Gold Blade, last I heard.<< Likewise, John Robb was another Blackpudlian. The Membranes were the big local band (after Section 25) and John also put together the Blackpool Rox fanzine (later shorn of its geographical roots!). I think I have some of the very early issues somewhere. Gold Blade are pretty dire though. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:08:43 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: New Orbital Album Fernando wrote: The Orbital album will also be out... good review in Mojo... also, the new Bows is supposed to be superb! ============== Because they won't get around to releasing the new Orbital album in the USA for another couple of months, I've got my copy preordered from Amazon.UK.co, but I'm still anxious to hear what people have to say about it! If anyone on the list has heard the new album, please let me know what you think... if you're ambitious, give it a full-blown review! Cheers, Ray ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:55:52 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #123 >From: "kevin alexander" >Subject: [idealcopy] Re: please stop sending me all this shit > >Sorry, I didn't realize I sent the same message twice....that's what I >get for trying to jump into the fray. Back to the sidelines for me. > >Kevin-- Don't worry about it ... it had nothing to do w/ your error. I got the same message from this guy ... too lazy to figure out how to unsubscribe, I guess. That's his problem, not ours. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:07:20 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Solo Thurston Moore (Completely Off Topic)--short addition and correction At 07:28 PM 4/23/2001 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 23/04/01 22:11:30 GMT Daylight Time, >mflaher3@triton.cc.il.us writes: > > > This list is not complete. > Depends on who is selecting and > I'm glad to have it all. > >Michael Flaherty > > > >& will hunt out said Thurston for >closer examination.I'll report back... > Thanks Michael Well, I'm glad someone could use it--I almost sent it to G. Rowland off list. Anyway, as I did the whole thing from memory, I am surprised at how well it went, but when I checked at home I did notice 2 major errors: 1. I forgot one of my favorite cds of recent years: Lost in the City, a rock-noise album w/ Surgal and Winant. I'm particularly amazed that I forgot this because not only is it among my personal favorites, but it has the same line up as Jetson Dolma--which is in the same catagory I'd put this one in. Getting old sucks. ;) 2. The name of the box set is not the Toronto Noise Festival, but the No Music Festival (from LONDON, Ontario). By the way, this is a 6cd $75 set. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:26:41 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Kitchens of Distinction I was the only person that I knew until today who owned a Kitchens of Distinction album. I still listen to it from time to time. The one with "Drive That Fast" on it. Excellent!!! kath - ----- Original Message ----- > >>>I just want to throw in "Kitchens Of Distinction" who I also rate very > highly & am currently having "Stephen Hero" e-mails pasted at me every > other month. > Drive That Fast - a gem of a song. > > Kitchens were excellent! I great guitar band. It's about time they got a > mention on the list. > > C ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:41:15 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Kitchens of Distinction I only recently got hold of a copy of Cowboys And Aliens. Excellent! Why were they so overlooked? Strange Free World is great but Love Is Hell a bit ropey. What about the 3rd? The one with Blue Pedal on? C "Katherine Pouliot" on 24/04/2001 15:26:41 To: Chris Ray/IT/MEDAS, CHRISWIRE@aol.com cc: paulp@wrq.com, idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Kitchens of Distinction I was the only person that I knew until today who owned a Kitchens of Distinction album. I still listen to it from time to time. The one with "Drive That Fast" on it. Excellent!!! kath - ----- Original Message ----- > >>>I just want to throw in "Kitchens Of Distinction" who I also rate very > highly & am currently having "Stephen Hero" e-mails pasted at me every > other month. > Drive That Fast - a gem of a song. > > Kitchens were excellent! I great guitar band. It's about time they got a > mention on the list. > > C The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:20:56 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Guitar bands for the 80s (in pop?) That I recall... most often times that I hear Kitchen of Distinction, along with Comsat Angels, is in the discussion of the Chameleons... still loved, but never the driver of a topic, it seems. As a result, I did try both bands, but never clicked with either one of them... though I would not say that they are bad... cheers! - -fernando At 10:23 AM 4/24/01 +0100, Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk wrote: > >>>I just want to throw in "Kitchens Of Distinction" who I also rate very >highly & am currently having "Stephen Hero" e-mails pasted at me every >other month. >Drive That Fast - a gem of a song. > >Kitchens were excellent! I great guitar band. It's about time they got a >mention on the list. > >C > > > > >The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged >and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the >intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or >use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:28:39 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] Jackdaw with Crowbar/The Ex >are there any list members who love the ex as much as i? I never heard The Ex (can someone write a little buyers' guide?), but love the record that the guy from The Ex did with Leonid Soybelman from "Ne Zhdali". It came out on John Zorn's Tsadik records and the band was titled "Kletka Red". Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:26:12 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: [OT] Guitar bands for the 80s (in pop?) I personally liked Husker Du better than the Pixies (at first, when I got Flip Your Wig and Surfer Rosa), but these days I am exploring the Pixies a bit more... nice, but does not move me like That Petrol Emotion. I do think that the Pixies had more of an impact than Djr, Husker Du, TPE, etc. There is no doubt about it. I am not really sure that House of Love was in the same line with the above, in terms of advancing guitar music as the others managed to do (mostly through grunge)... and Keving Shields always credited Sonic Youth with keeping guitar music alive. For the Loveless tour, it has been the only time that I wish that I had ear plugs, for such a large venue in San Fracisco (The Warfield). cheers! - -fernando At 06:59 AM 4/24/01 -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >Ian, > ><< >in some quick pop sense (so as not compare to the more off-center bands > >like The Chameleons, House of Love, or even My Bloody Valentine). > > Well, I always admired the Pixies far more than I loved them. For me, the > very magnificent Dinosaur Jr soared far higher and touched more raw nerves > at that time. And they were pop in much the same way as the Pixies were > pop, really. > >> > >Pixies(dynamics), DJr (tunes) and Husker Du (guitar racket, more tunes) >between them fathered the Nirvana end of grunge (not the Pearl Jam end - that >came from more traditional rock sources eg Led Zep). All top bands, those >three. Put fast/hard guitar music back on the map in a way that bands like >House of Love could only dream of. MBV were another entity altogether. Wish >I'd seen one of the later gigs where the sheer volume made members of the >audience ill.... > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:31:11 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Guitar bands for the 80s (in pop?) I saw The Chameleons last year and a couple of months ago at Shep Bush Empire. Really great show. Live album and new studio album coming soon. C fernando on 24/04/2001 17:20:56 To: idealcopy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/IT/MEDAS) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Guitar bands for the 80s (in pop?) That I recall... most often times that I hear Kitchen of Distinction, along with Comsat Angels, is in the discussion of the Chameleons... still loved, but never the driver of a topic, it seems. As a result, I did try both bands, but never clicked with either one of them... though I would not say that they are bad... cheers! - -fernando At 10:23 AM 4/24/01 +0100, Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk wrote: > >>>I just want to throw in "Kitchens Of Distinction" who I also rate very >highly & am currently having "Stephen Hero" e-mails pasted at me every >other month. >Drive That Fast - a gem of a song. > >Kitchens were excellent! I great guitar band. It's about time they got a >mention on the list. > >C > > > > >The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged >and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the >intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or >use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:59:02 EDT From: WAndyComer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] The Ex Agreed...the Kletka Red cd is wonderful, and Andy Moor, who plays on that release and is one of the more recent (i.e. early '90s) additions to the Ex's guitar lineup, is one of my favorite guitarists (up there with Colin, Bruce, Rowland S. Howard, Keith Levene, and, well, Terrie of the Ex). As for an Ex "buying guide," I'd recommend the excellent collaborations they did with NY cellist Tom Cora in the early '90s as a good starting point: "And the Weathermen Shrug Their Shoulders" and "Scrabbling at the Lock." Of course, one could also start at the beginning, with "Disturbing Domestic Peace" (1980) and "History is What's Happening" (1982), in my opinion two of the best punk records ever recorded. The latter of the two includes a humorous track called "E.M.Why" which takes the Gang of Four (and, by association, I suppose, Wire) to task for signing with said label by parodying the "Entertainment" album cover ("Gang of Four smiles, they think EMI is their friend / EMI smiles, they are glad Gang of Four are fooled / Now they can exploit them.") At any rate, a history of the Ex needs badly to be written, and I myself have thought of doing so. For those in the NYC area, they will be playing at the Knitting Factory on June 20th and 21st...This is absolutely not to be missed. Besides the Dog Faced Hermans (also essential...Andy Moor played guitar for them, as well), the Ex have far and away put on the best shows I have ever seen (of course, I'm only 24, so that may not be saying too much, but you catch my drift). Andy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:09:25 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: [OT] Guitar bands for the 80s (in pop?) > I personally liked Husker Du better than the Pixies (at first, when I got > Flip Your Wig and Surfer Rosa), but these days I am exploring the > Pixies a > bit more... nice, but does not move me like That Petrol Emotion. I was a big Pixies fan since Surfer Rosa, and I still like them today, but their music didn't survive the years as well as I thought it would, and they don't hold the same power that they had at that time. > For the Loveless tour, it has been the > only time that I wish that I had ear plugs, for such a large venue in San > Fracisco (The Warfield). Their sound engineer had a white noise fader that he would use in those parts where you thought that it can't get any noisier (it did). The Loveless tour was the utmost sonic experience, I think. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:54:41 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] 80 Sub-Pop #6 Wire - Kidney Bingos Money Spines Paper Lung Kidney Bingos Organ Fun What else can you say? ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:53:53 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Kitchens of Distinction Chris.Ray writes: >I only recently got hold of a copy of Cowboys And Aliens. >Excellent! Why were they so overlooked? Homophobia? Bad hairstyles? Or just your basic good ol' lack of label support? Take your pick, I guess. >Strange Free World is great but Love Is Hell a bit >ropey. What about the 3rd? The one with Blue Pedal on? "The Death of Cool"! Not as good as "Strange Free World" or "Cowboys & Aliens," but better than the 1st album. (IMO.) The songs are longer & spacier, with more extended delay- guitar jams than the other albums... there are two or three real gems on it, but it's probably not as worth-seeking-out as any of the better Pixies, House of Love, Chameleons, or Slowdive rekkids, just to mention a few bands that have popped up here recently. (And again, IMO.) But it's out of print like the rest of 'em, so if you see it in a used bin, you could do far worse than to pick it up. John "you now have will" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:16:11 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Kitchens of Distinction In a message dated 24/04/01 16:56:52 GMT Daylight Time, Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk writes: > Strange Free World is great but Love Is Hell a bit > ropey. What about the 3rd? The one with Blue Pedal on? > > C > > I just lost out on e-bay for a copy of this album,otherwise I would have > been more than happy to let you know.Love them to bits but agree with you > about Love Is Hell. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:23:26 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 80 Sub-Pop #6 In a message dated 24/04/01 19:00:16 GMT Daylight Time, crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk writes: > Money Spines > Paper Lung > Kidney Bingos > Organ Fun > > What else can you say? > > I say that is still one great lyric & a very catchy pop song. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:59:20 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) James Brown of 'BZAG'.. - ----- Original Message ----- From: John Roberts > Despite their constant attention in fanzines like > James Brown's 'Attack on Bzag' and John Robb's 'Rox' > (both now media stars in the UK I used to know James Brown years ago. He was the vocalist in a band in Leeds called The Butter Cookies (which featured a couple of good mates of mine). He was a completely unselfconcious front man, and not a bad bloke, although he tried to blag his way onto a trip to Madrid where me and a mate had been invited on to 'perform'. The Madrid trip never took place. Note to Kevin Alexander, who the hell was that guy giving you the email grief? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:17:38 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Planet X & Probe Please do keep sending in your record reviews Tim. Well Tim's memories of Planet X raised a laugh here, it was a really dank old piss flooded dive but the jukebox had Big Black's Heartbeat 7" and some Dead Kennedys so ya can't complain? Tim on Probe: >>>>it was the kind of shop where one felt inspired to really explore and find something new. This was mainly because of the fear of the snorts of derision that would follow if you bought a Farm record or something! Now I recall some amusingly sociopathic customer baiting at Probe. Some squat middle aged woman was returning a faulty U2 album and swore she'd never set foot in the shop again and tell all her friends not to either, after being told, "Well what do you expect if you buy crap records like that?" They told her they didn't want her or her friends in the shop anyhow. John>>>>Walking Seeds: used to speak to Bob a lot when I worked at the Cartel. He used to work in the Probe Shop. Bob used to give me a 'regular who spends too much on vinyl' discount sometimes, perhaps due to me buying WalkingSeeds albums... although he tried to short change me when I bought one secondhand elsewhere! It was worth raking through all the records just to read Bob's acerbic commentaries on stickers which were just as likely to make you think twice about buying a record as pick it up - I must say I don't recall him ever recommending something that wasn't up to much though! There was sometimes a smell of formaldehyde in the old Mathew St shop wasn't there? I think they were embalming zombies in the cellar. (Bob having put out a comic called 'Zombie Flesh' was a dead giveaway). Even if you don't want the Rhombus of Doom album, the more or less completely out of date Probe website is quite amusing, having more reviews of pubs than records! http://www.probe-records.com The history of the shop is a good read. I quite liked those horrible longhairs Das Damen actually. Might well have been a Probe recommendation. Lock up your hats! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:19:14 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Ex Pixies Joker Witness John Roberts on A Witness: >>>>Despite their constant attention in fanzines like James Brown's 'Attack on Bzag' and John Robb's 'Rox' I think the former bassist from A Witness now plays alongside John Robb and Jay Taylor (ex Dumb) in Gold Blade (who despite being a laugh never did much for me). I did enjoy the 'I Am John's Pancreas' album at the time. Charles asked >>>>Anyone ever notice the similarity between Wire's "Panamanian Craze" (from Turns & Strokes) and The Cosmic Jokers "Galactic Joke (Teil B)? Thanks, I've made a note to hear that. I've never heard the Cosmic Jokers but their name has comeup a few times elsewhere recently and they are now edging up the mental list of things to hear before I keel over... Do you have any more info on them or recommendations? What do you think of Guru Guru? Andy asked >>>>are there any list members who love the ex as much as i? Their collaboration with Tortoise was very good indeed. I heard on the Shellac list that they're soon doing a gig with Shellac & Fugazi in Chicago (if memory serves...) Ian Grant said >>>>Well, I always admired the Pixies far more than I loved them. For me, the very magnificent Dinosaur Jr soared far higher and touched more raw nerves at that time. And they were pop in much the same way as the Pixies were pop, really. I'd say so... although I think I err on the side of Pixies rather than Dinosaur. One of the most deafening gigs I ever saw was Dinosaur Jr (around the time 'Freak Scene' was released) at the Temple St black cave decor Planet X Liverpool. L Barlow would scream between songs and that was all the vocals I could hear. Standing next to the guitar amp might explain why every time Mascis hit the wah wah pedal, everything vanished in a tidal wave of ampnoise, even the drums. Pixies might have been lyrically rather more carnal but Dinosaur took pop to further sonic extremes, at least with their original liner up (Mascis, Barlow, Murph). There were many good guitar bands in the eighties as I have said a few times before! Frank Black trotted out a few Pixies numbers when I saw him recently - mostly carbon copies and not perhaps the ones you might expect! Apparently his manager has hinted that if the money is right (like millions of dollars!) a Pixies reunion is not entirely out of the question (or so someone said on the Shellac list). Rabbit falls away from me? Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:41:49 -0500 From: "Alyce Ornella" Subject: [idealcopy] Chicago people Hi everybody Anyone in Chicago who's interested....Tommorow and Thursday night starting at 8PM and lasting about an hour will be a group show of sound artists at the Spareroom (2416 W North Ave). It's free and my stuff will be Wednesday night. The Spareroom is off the Damen stop on the blue line, just a few blocks away on North. Near North & Western. Thanks! Alyce _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:57:51 +0100 From: "scott kellock" Subject: [idealcopy] Cinerama Gig Was at the Cinerama Gig at King Tuts last night.Check them out if they come to a town near you. Played the couple of Wedding Present songs as promised. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:04:20 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 80 Sub-Pop #6 >Wire - Kidney Bingos > >Money Spines >Paper Lung >Kidney Bingos >Organ Fun > >What else can you say? > Or, to quote another Wire song: "What would you say?" (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:07:29 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Chicago people > Hi everybody > Anyone in Chicago who's interested....Tommorow and Thursday night > starting > at 8PM and lasting about an hour will be a group show of sound artists at > the Spareroom (2416 W North Ave). It's free and my stuff will be > Wednesday > night. What kind of stuff do you do then? What exactly is a sound artist? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:27:29 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] [OT] Guitar bands for the 80s (in pop?) Fernando wrote: > Do people in this list think that the Pixies were really *the* > guitar band, > in some quick pop sense (so as not compare to the more off-center bands > like The Chameleons, House of Love, or even My Bloody Valentine). Used to think so in the late 80's. I still think they're good, but their music's certainly lost its edge, and would probably sound really dated in about 10 years time or so. Graeme Rowland wrote: > Frank Black trotted out a few Pixies numbers when I > saw him recently - mostly carbon copies and not > perhaps the ones you might expect! Apparently his > manager has hinted that if the money is right (like > millions of dollars!) a Pixies reunion is not entirely > out of the question (or so someone said on the Shellac > list). Oh, that's so boring: I think we're in the midst of what might be called later on as the reunion era: Anyone that's been in the music biz for more than 10 years is now reuniting his or her old band. They sould have thought of that when they originally broke up! Saw the Pixies live twice: Once in the Hammersmith Odeon on the Bosanova tour (wicked); the other time was a few months after that at Crystal Palace Bowl, when I was nearly trampled to death by over-enthusiastic Ride fans at the support act. The Pixies didn't really know how to react to so many people in the crowd (20,000 I think it was). Their music's too intimate to be played in stadiums or parks. giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #125 *******************************