From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #121 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, April 22 2001 Volume 04 : Number 121 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Wire on eBay [Wireviews ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Feels like 1986! [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Wire on eBay [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Behind the dialogue we're in a mess! [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=2] [idealcopy] The Most Subversive Pop Singles of The Eighties No. 4 [=?iso-] Re: [idealcopy] Devo [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] wire on ebay question [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] [OT] Peter Buck in trouble? ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] [idealcopy] OT - link o' the day [Rick Hindman ] RE: [idealcopy] OT - DEVO/DOVE ["giluz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 02:39:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Wire on eBay "http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1425373560 I recall on the list a gatefold-style version of Manscape being mentioned and was wondering if anyone can verify whether this is one of them? I was under the impression that the limited edition had some bonus tracks, but this one doesn't appear to. hmmmm..." As far as I'm aware, longbox versions just contain the standard CD inside. Weren't longboxes just for packaging anyway -- essentially a disposable to be binned post-purchase? I think the US is the only country they became popular in. I'm not sure re: a "gatefold" sleeve, but there is a version of Manscape with a card cover instead of the usual jewel case. Apart from the packaging, the contents are identical -- ie: no extra tracks. Plenty of bands have done this "dual packaging approach" -- ones that come to mind are Bowie's "Outside", Seefeel's "Quique" and Nick Cave's "Murder Ballads"... C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:03:24 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Feels like 1986! Rick, << Perhaps some listee has heard some info about a rumor I heard at work yesterday. One of my coworkers said there was a Summer tour in the works that would be: The Fixx New Order The Smiths >> New Order are touring in the US with Moby. The Smiths - forget it! After Joyce and Rourke sued Morrissey & Marr I doubt they'll ever play together again. As for the Fixxxxxx, who cares! Rubbish nice new wave pub rock with zero audience in the UK but unfathomable appeal in the US. See also Wang (nee Huang) Chung. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:16:04 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire on eBay << I recall on the list a gatefold-style version of Manscape being mentioned and was wondering if anyone can verify whether this is one of them? I was under the impression that the limited edition had some bonus tracks, but this one doesn't appear to. hmmmm..." The version with the extra tracks is the Japanese double CD, which has Gravity Worship/Who has nine?/It can't be true can it? on a second CD. If you own Coatings, you've got these already. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:12:30 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Behind the dialogue we're in a mess! Sean>>>>the only people listening to PIL Religion Attack were young adults and older I heard PiL's 'Flowers of Romance' at the age of 10 or 11. Hated it the first time as it was just too completely strange and baffling. The second time I heard it I was hooked! Looking back, perhaps I was fortunate to hear it minus the baggage of the Pistols? It just rushed out of the void and turned my mind upside down! It was only about 3-4 years later that I realised that Lydon and Rotten were the same person! Play the drum! Graeme Curently listening to AMP Studio - Unconscious Country ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:16:36 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] The Most Subversive Pop Singles of The Eighties No. 4 Bonnie Tyler - Total Eclipse of the Heart Every now and then she falls apart, but in this bic lighter sponsored stadium opus Bonnie not only glimpses the end of the end of the line but sees the bright eyes of the lightbringer himself glowing there. Bonnie can't keep his attention though and he soon turns around, leaving her in the dark. This is a metaphor for the higher beings turning their backs on the humans who are messing up big time. Who'd want a bunch of gun toting monkeys messing up space with their puny atom bombs and mobile phone masts? All the little hairy demonoids they lapped it up and it shot up to number one. Not so subversive you think, but in the song Bonnie claims to glimpse the infinite. "Forever's gonna start tonight!" Every hour on the hour a secret satanic message of organic collapse disguised as an overwrought megalove ballad inscribed back masked messages into the skulls of the world's least discerning pop pickers. Not only was Bonnie subversive, she was revolutionary. Unfortunately bikers didn't listen to Radio One and when she tried to summon 'bright eye' with this invocation at the Reading festival (where oddly not many people do much reading) they pelted the poor diva with bottles of piss. ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:47:55 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Devo In a message dated 21/04/01 02:32:31 GMT Daylight Time, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: > >> i really didn't like them early on, at the time of 'Jocko Homo', > but now i think 'Be Stiff', 'Come Back Jonee', 'Satisfaction' and 'Whip It' > are classic singles, mind you, i never got round to hearing the lp's! > > ian.s.j. > ////////// the first lp (produced by eno) is well worth a listen. the second has its moments too. not to be taken seriously of course. and maybe the videos actually work better than the records , try "the men who make the music" (promos/live clips compilation) p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:54:16 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire on ebay question In a message dated 21/04/01 05:58:29 GMT Daylight Time, r_j_h@yahoo.com writes: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1425373560 > > //////// i would guess its just a normal manscape cd in one of those long thin boxes used in the USA a few years back. i think for extra tracks you need the japanese issue , which i've never set eyes on. somebody got $45 for a japanese "insiding" 3cd set on ebay a couple of weeks ago. looked nice. p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:42:39 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Peter Buck in trouble? Hiya! Hey - the BBC is reporting that Peter Buck was arrested. Is this true? Peter lives in Seattle, now, so this is of some interest to me. Cheers, Paul http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/music/newsid_1290000/1290231. stm *********************************************************** Brain: "That's brilliant Pinky!!...and Larry... ...Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?" Pinky: "I think so Larry...and Brain...but how can we get 7 dwarfs to shave their legs?" Paul Pietromonaco Test Engineer - Reflection X WRQ, Inc. E-Mail: paulp@wrq.com *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:08:13 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Peter Buck in trouble? Paul Apparently he was arrested at 10am. He got progressively more aggressive as the flight went on and the pilot radioed ahead for the police. He was still being questioned when I heard the news at 11pm. John - --- Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > Hiya! > > Hey - the BBC is reporting that Peter Buck was > arrested. Is this true? > Peter lives in Seattle, now, so this is of some > interest to me. > > Cheers, > Paul > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/music/newsid_1290000/1290231. > stm > > *********************************************************** > > Brain: "That's brilliant Pinky!!...and Larry... > ...Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?" > > Pinky: "I think so Larry...and Brain...but how > can we get 7 dwarfs to shave their legs?" > > Paul Pietromonaco > Test Engineer - Reflection X > WRQ, Inc. > E-Mail: paulp@wrq.com > > *********************************************************** Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:07:20 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Feels like 1986! In a message dated 4/21/2001 6:10:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > . As for the Fixxxxxx, who cares! Rubbish nice new wave pub rock with > zero audience in the UK but unfathomable appeal in the US. See also Wang > (nee > Huang) Chung. > Hee hee hee here's one explanation: one of the biggest new wave radio stations in the US was/is KROQ here in so cal and one of its DJ's (England's very own Richard Blade) force-fed thousands upon thousands of impressionable youngsters tripe such as The Fixxx, Wang Chung, ABC, Haircut 100, Flock of Seagulls and Tears For Fears (TFF Richard called them...we referred to him as Dick). He was/is the foremost purveyor of crap music and all these young minds, just waiting to be told what to listen to, listened to him. The more it looked and sounded like one-hit wonder suckass disco spew, the better he liked it and the more he played. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:39:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hindman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Devo This thread sure brought back some memories! I saw them on their "Duty now for the Future" tour in SF ('78 or '79, I think) and it still rates as one of the top 5 live shows I've ever been to. That said, I only got as far as "New Traditionalists" on albums, and found that while great live, their albums lacked a dimension or two that made them great. And as I recall, alot of their REALLY cool early songs like 'Be Stiff', 'Mechanical Man', and 'Automodown' weren't on LP's. I still think they were an awesome band that probably will never get their due as a result of their quirkiness. Too many people don't get past laughing at the costumes to see what they were really doing. RJH > > >> i really didn't like them early on, at the time > of 'Jocko Homo', > > but now i think 'Be Stiff', 'Come Back Jonee', > 'Satisfaction' and 'Whip It' > > are classic singles, mind you, i never got round > to hearing the lp's! > > > > ian.s.j. > > > > ////////// the first lp (produced by eno) is well > worth a listen. the second > has its moments too. not to be taken seriously of > course. and maybe the > videos actually work better than the records , try > "the men who make the > music" (promos/live clips compilation) p Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:51:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hindman Subject: [idealcopy] OT - link o' the day ICists~ Fans of silly humor, Iggy Pop, and/or the Onion, will probably like this.... http://www.theonion.com/onion3714/song_about_heroin.html RJH ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "Suffering is our experience of the distance between what we are and who we wish to become. - -Robert Fripp - ----------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:40:12 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT - DEVO/DOVE > As far as there being some pre-Devo 60's anything: sure why the > hell not? > They love that whole devolution concept and they aren't through > with it I'm > sure. So, did they devolve or evolve since then? giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #121 *******************************