From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #119 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, April 20 2001 Volume 04 : Number 119 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] FW: Icky Flix Euro Show Dates Just in!!!! ["Wilson, Paul" ] [idealcopy] Improvisation (Ae) ["ray\)\(o\)\(mac" ] [idealcopy] Metal [Alistair Tear ] [idealcopy] OT: Cale (one more time) [Michael Flaherty ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Autechre [Rick Hindman ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Autechre [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: [idealcopy] When One Is Quite Able To Take Off [John Roberts ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tangerine dream [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] RE: [idealcopy] Re: Tangerine dream ["Ciscon, Ray" ] [idealcopy] Most subversive single of the Eighties? ["ian jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] post-whore [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Most subversive single of the Eighties? [MarkBursa@aol.co] Re: [idealcopy] OT - DEVO/DOVE ["Ian B" ] [idealcopy] outdoor miner 7" ["ian jackson" ] [idealcopy] In Subversive Mode ["ian jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Improvisation (Ae) [Rick Hindman ] [idealcopy] OT - For the Chicago listees... [Rick Hindman ] Re: [idealcopy] Metal [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - DEVO/DOVE [HeySean@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - DEVO/DOVE [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Stereolab [fernando ] Re: [idealcopy] Most subversive single of the Eighties? [HeySean@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] outdoor miner 7" [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Stereolab [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] can i get A Witness? [Aaron Mandel ] [idealcopy] It was all whirlwind, heat and flash! [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=] [idealcopy] The Most Subversive Pop Singles of The Eighties No. 3 [=?iso-] Re: [idealcopy] Re: subversive top 30 pil in pasadena [Jeffrey with 2 Fs ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Stereolab [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - DEVO/DOVE [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Metal [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] stereolab ["ian jackson" ] [idealcopy] post-whore ["ian jackson" ] [idealcopy] outdoor miner 7" ["ian jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] It was all whirlwind, heat and flash! [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] It was all whirlwind, heat and flash! [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: Fred Frith [HeySean@aol.com] [idealcopy] ot-Re: savage republic [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:45:28 +0100 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: [idealcopy] FW: Icky Flix Euro Show Dates Just in!!!! - -----Original Message----- To: SMELLY-TONGUES@LISTSERV.UH.EDU Subject: Icky Flix Euro Show Dates Just in!!!! Hi! This just in from the Cryptics! The RESIDENTS Euro shows June 4 D-Moers, Internationales Jazz-Festival June 5 (TBA) June 6 CH-Genf, L'Usine June 7 NL-Amsterdam, Paradiso June 8 B-Antwerpen, Hof Ter Loo June 9 UK-London, Queen Elizabeth Hall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:49:03 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: subversive top 30 pil in pasadena > i was at the ritz riot in nyc. that was pretty amusing, quite > memorable. this > one you mention was the show with savage republic as the opener? Savage Republic - Now, that's a name I didn't hear for a long time. Used to really like them in the mid-80's, a few years ago I played one of their albums and found it quite dated and boring. Anyone has any idea what they're doing now? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 06:30:48 -0700 (PDT) From: j alberson Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New Whore It will be covers made by fans (idealcopiers, unite). As far as being in charge, that's me (it seems, I'm a bit green about leadership but I'll sort it out). Jack - --- Tim Robinson wrote: > wireviews wrote: > > I think it might get a bit silly if people put up > 40 > versions each. (Avoids hook for bad pun.) Erm. One > or > two would do. Mind you, the response so far hasn't > exactly been deafening. I claim "Brazil" for VMU > :-) > > There seems to be some confusion about whether this > is going to be a > compilation of Wire covers not on Whore, like Big > Blacks Heartbeat or > Elasticas 12XU, or covers made by fans. > > If its the latter I would love to prepare a Wire > cover! Whos in charge > of this? Whats happening?!?!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:58:29 -0500 From: "ray\)\(o\)\(mac" Subject: [idealcopy] Improvisation (Ae) (As always, the opinions expressed are my own - not yours, and not your cat's) Improvisation involves the risk and promise of failure. The performance aspect of improvised music is not so much entertainment as an energy loop with the audience. So it would not be surprising that an Ae performance might dissappointing. I liken improvisation to bi-polar disorder - the lows are a drag, but oh those highs! Actually this thread has made it eminately more likely that I will see Ae when they come to Chi next month. (Terry Riley tonight ^_^ ) over and out ray)(0 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:12:33 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] Metal >>On that level Pop Poubelle<< >>>which means Pop Dustbin, or Pop Trashcan if you're american... but the French is alliterative, dahling sooo much nicer, n'est ce pas? A ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:02:48 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Cale (one more time) >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:12:50 -0400 >From: "stephen graziano" >Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: "New" John Cale > >it's not on the CD version i have - Spy 004 No, it's on the RE-RELEASE of Sabotage, along w/ Animal Justice. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:55:30 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] under irish patronage Stepping Out was pretty damned good > too Wasn't on Live at the Witch Trials. It's on the Short Circuit comp. although I think I > liked the UK Subs Live In A Car better A quality ditty. And they still do it live. John Punk is dead but you wouldn't know it from looking at my record collection. Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:01:10 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Eno Brian Eno is up on Q's Cash for Questions feature in a couple of months. This is where readers send in questions to ask the participant and any reader lucky enough to have their question asked/answered gets #25. The email address is: cashforquestions@q4music.com - - and make sure that you put Brian Eno in the subject area or it'll probably get put to Chrissie Hynde who is in it next month. John Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:11:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hindman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Autechre Having not heard Autechre (yet) I have to say that the comments about them live perfectly match what a metal-head friend said about seeing Tangerine Dream! That was around 1976, as I recall! > > As a live experience I knew all we were going to get > was two rather > intense young men prodding at Mac Powerbooks, and > from previous > experience I knew there would be no attempt to > perform already known > material, but when I saw them last year they were > just magical, and a > friend of mine saw them in Iceland last year and was > moved to tears by > the sheer beauty of their mostly beatless and > completely improvised > performance. ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "Suffering is our experience of the distance between what we are and who we wish to become. - -Robert Fripp - ----------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:20:55 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Autechre By the way Tangerine Dream are playing Shep Bush Empire next month. Anyone going? Chris. Rick Hindman on 19/04/2001 17:11:06 To: idealcopy@smoe.org, hspencer@oup.co.uk cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/IT/MEDAS) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Autechre Having not heard Autechre (yet) I have to say that the comments about them live perfectly match what a metal-head friend said about seeing Tangerine Dream! That was around 1976, as I recall! > > As a live experience I knew all we were going to get > was two rather > intense young men prodding at Mac Powerbooks, and > from previous > experience I knew there would be no attempt to > perform already known > material, but when I saw them last year they were > just magical, and a > friend of mine saw them in Iceland last year and was > moved to tears by > the sheer beauty of their mostly beatless and > completely improvised > performance. ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "Suffering is our experience of the distance between what we are and who we wish to become. - -Robert Fripp - ----------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:26:14 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] When One Is Quite Able To Take Off I presume by high production values you mean having bags of cash to spend. I think you can get high production value with little money. I don't know who produced this WalkingSeeds record. Was it Kramer? He used to be fairly obssessed with high production values didn't he? OK, he used to use first takes but that's different to having low production values. And Slates is very well produced imo. It's certainly better produced than Shiftwork which seems to have wobbles on sound levels on it which aren't intentional. Compare any of the records you've listed with some really poor production jobs and I think you'll probably agree. (I'm struggling to think of badly produced records now.) John > The eighties were not all about high production > values. Have a listen to the first Butthole Surfers > record or the Dinosaur debut or especially > Walkingseeds Know Too Much EP to see what I mean. > Then > there is of course The Fall Slates 10" to consider > ("academic male slags reel off names of books and > bands") and those early Shockabilly and Half > Japanese > records... etc. Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:45:06 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Tangerine dream Re the tangs ... have to say I'm not heavily tempted by that one. I think that Edgar Froese's son now features in the lineup! Howard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:57:03 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tangerine dream No, me neither. I would have like to have seen them in the 70's just to see the huge banks of electronic equipment. Chris. Howard Spencer on 19/04/2001 17:45:06 To: Chris Ray/IT/MEDAS cc: Rick Hindman , idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Tangerine dream Re the tangs ... have to say I'm not heavily tempted by that one. I think that Edgar Froese's son now features in the lineup! Howard The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:17:15 -0500 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: Tangerine dream Howard wrote: Re the tangs ... have to say I'm not heavily tempted by that one. I think that Edgar Froese's son now features in the lineup! ================ Edgar Froese forced all of the other original members of Tangerine Dream out of the band years ago. I remember reading an article, though my memory is almost certainly faulty, that the band now only consists of Mr. Froese, his son, and possibly his wife. This is all a terrible shame because they WERE a creative force to be reckoned with. Some of their soundtrack work, specifically "Thief" was tremendous. I also remember the article having pictures of Mr. Froese the younger, who appeared to be in his teens, was amusingly chubby, and wore this most dreadful poofed-up mullet. As for other members of T-Dream, Christopher Franke did some wonderful work for the Babylon 5 TV show, Konny Schnitzler continues to work in the electronic music field. I'm sure I'm forgetting other members, but I'm suffering from a particularly bad case of CRS today. Cheers, Ray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:53:00 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Most subversive single of the Eighties? mark wrote :- I thought it said Ardwick Bridge? you're right mark, maybe Graeme wasn't being totally spot on deliberately, but then again he was on a roll.... 'ended up under Ardwick Bridge, with some veterans from the US Civil War' is how i've always heard it... ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:55:18 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] post-whore giluz wrote :- RE: post-whore Unless you're talking about something like the Dugga project, that, regardless of its electronic bias (which I personally approve of), is about taking a song and remaking it as a completely different one for each mix. for once giluz, i'm with you on this. i'd much rather hear an electronic version of, say, 'Marooned' than a straight up standard rock cover. as someone who is about to dip his toes into Cubase and is quite excited by the possibilities, i think we should encourage this aspect of the proposal. it'll be a buzz for me to make my first experiment a Wire cover in this way. not sure which one yet though. ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:38:35 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] post-whore Ian, << for once giluz, i'm with you on this. i'd much rather hear an electronic version of, say, 'Marooned' than a straight up standard rock cover.<< Or a standard rock version of So and slow... ;-) >>as someone who is about to dip his toes into Cubase and is quite excited by the possibilities, i think we should encourage this aspect of the proposal.<< Me too...just bought Cubase and am hoping to spend some time over the next week or so getting it to work! As a strictly analogue musician (retd.) to whom the height of recording technology is a Tascam 244 portastudio it should be interesting! >>it'll be a buzz for me to make my first experiment a Wire cover in this way. not sure which one yet though. >> I must say I'm with Giluz that the original Idealcopy music project idea was a lot more "Wire" than another covers project, though if it gets us moving it's fine. I've been reluctant to revive my take on the original concept as there seemed to be some friction between different ideas - though my take was that nothing was mutually exclusive.... If enough people are interested I'd be happy to revive the concept with anyone who wants to contact me either on or off list.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:41:07 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Most subversive single of the Eighties? Ian, << I thought it said Ardwick Bridge? you're right mark, maybe Graeme wasn't being totally spot on deliberately, but then again he was on a roll.... 'ended up under Ardwick Bridge, with some veterans from the US Civil War' is how i've always heard it... >> Graeme most certainly was on a roll! And a most entertaining one too.... For those listers not familiar with the Geography of Manchester, Ardwick is a shitty part of town just south of the city centre. Its main claim to fame is that it's the location of the Apollo, a major venue for touring bands. The bridge carries the main London-Manchester railway line. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:53:41 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - DEVO/DOVE - ----- Original Message ----- From: - - best bit of concert business since Devo opened for > themselves as Dove! > Sean Tell me more! Also, did you know they were putting an album of electronic surf-rock (or something) under the name The Wipeouters, the conceit being that this is the reformation of their pre-Devo band in the 60s. Sounds like an idea funnier in the abstract than the execution. Ian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:41:11 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] outdoor miner 7" sean wrote :- what's my 7" Outdoor Miner on white vinyl worth these days judging by my emails re Mannequin... probably about about 18 dollars by my reckoning. anyone?? ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:00:50 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] In Subversive Mode i'm throwing the Cocteau Twins before the lions for this one, i'll chose any single...'Aikea-Guinea'... ok...why???????? purely because Liz Frazer could have been singing 'i hope all the people who buy my records catch something they'll find hard to get rid of' or whatever, i rest my case. m'lud. pearly dewdrops of wisdom on sale, a fiver a throw, hit the deck, ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:13:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hindman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Improvisation (Ae) > Actually this thread has made it eminately more > likely that I will see Ae > when they come to Chi next month. Yeah! My curiosity has been piqued a bit as well and I see that Autechre is playing in Oakland next month. Could be interesting. RJH ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "Suffering is our experience of the distance between what we are and who we wish to become. - -Robert Fripp - ----------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:19:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hindman Subject: [idealcopy] OT - For the Chicago listees... Cirque du Soleil's "Dralion" show is due to play in Chicago this June. I saw the show here in San Jose and it was incredible! I highly recommend it!! FYI for Alyce. I tried to stream your last radio show and the site's buttons didn't work right. I could open the schedule, but couldn't get the music. Hmmph! RJH ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "Suffering is our experience of the distance between what we are and who we wish to become. - -Robert Fripp - ----------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:25:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hindman Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Stereolab hmmmmm.... Based on some ICers mentioning them, I picked up Stereolab's "Cobra Phases..." album. I've listened to it a couple of times and find really disappointing. There were a couple of OK ambient/trance tracks, but as a whole, it felt like a compilation of theme songs from French soap operas. Is that a representative album for them? Thanks for any info. RJH ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "Suffering is our experience of the distance between what we are and who we wish to become. - -Robert Fripp - ----------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:30:34 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Metal In a message dated 19/04/01 01:47:08 GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > The best-known French "punk" bands from 77 were the aforementioned Little > Bob > Story (turgid pub rock, with fat bloke in suit on vocals) and Stinky Toys > (er..turgid pub rock, but with a better name, and no fat bloke). I have a > Stinky Toys single somewhere. Must dig it out. (I must...I really must!) > > Mark > ////////// you forgot telephone , who probably sold more french "punk" records than anyone. produced by mike thorne.....can't recall ever hearing much though. i think "big in belgium" etc. p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:43:53 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - DEVO/DOVE LOL here in So cal (New Year's Eve 1979) there was a pretty good concert in Long Beach. X was opening for Devo. But opening for X was some band called Dove. Well, if you were in the know (and this night very few people were - out getting properly trashed for the New Year) you guessed that Dove was Devo. They played all these hilarious rip offs (ala my high school buddy Al Yankovic) like doing Bob Dylan's You Gotta Serve Somebody only offering it up as You Gotta Serve Yourself. Later during the Devo part of the show they clued the rest of the people in on what they had missed. Devo was still wearing the yellow radiation suits at the time and during some drum solo of White Punks On Dope four of the group did jumping jacks at the front of the stage. Each had a letter on the front of the suit: D E V O; then they rearranged to spell out D O V E! (yeah well it was funnier when it happened) As far as there being some pre-Devo 60's anything: sure why the hell not? They love that whole devolution concept and they aren't through with it I'm sure. Here in the states, at the height (?) of their popularity they would appear on the usual boring talking shows and get the host to put on whatever goofy or odd hat they happened to be wearing on the tour at the time. They made mainstream look surreal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:45:00 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - DEVO/DOVE In a message dated 19/04/01 20:10:40 GMT Daylight Time, ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk writes: > Also, did you know they were putting an album of electronic surf-rock (or > something) under the name The Wipeouters, the conceit being that this is the > reformation of their pre-Devo band in the 60s. Sounds like an idea funnier > in the abstract than the execution. > Ian > ////////// i downloaded a devo cover of NIN "head like a hole" off napster. again , not as good in practice as in theory.....p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:48:33 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Stereolab As a long time fan of theirs, I found Cobra a bit of disappointment and the followup mini LP even worse. My faves are the VU-sounding Transient Random Noise and the Neu!-sounding Mars Audiatic Quintet... some people prefer Emperor Tomato Ketchup... which is a nice album as well. Dots and Loops is also good... but continues downward process (for me). cheers! - -fernando At 12:25 PM 4/19/2001, Rick Hindman wrote: >hmmmmm.... > >Based on some ICers mentioning them, I picked up >Stereolab's "Cobra Phases..." album. I've listened to >it a couple of times and find really disappointing. >There were a couple of OK ambient/trance tracks, but >as a whole, it felt like a compilation of theme songs >from French soap operas. > >Is that a representative album for them? Thanks for >any info. > >RJH > > >===== >----------------------------------------------------------- >"Suffering is our experience of the distance between what we >are and who we wish to become. > >-Robert Fripp >----------------------------------------------------------- >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:49:22 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Most subversive single of the Eighties? ok musical taste aside...is there anyone more subversive (in the literal sense of the word) than his Popness, Michael Jackson?? I mean, the only people listening to PIL Religion Attack were young adults and older. But MJ had little boys and girls riveted on his every word and gesture (why does Michael Jackson shop at K-mart? He heard little boys pants were half off). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:50:18 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] outdoor miner 7" In a message dated 19/04/01 20:22:18 GMT Daylight Time, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: > sean wrote :- > what's my 7" Outdoor Miner on white vinyl worth these > days > > judging by my emails re Mannequin... > probably about about 18 dollars by my reckoning. > anyone?? > > ian.s.j. > > ////////sounds about right. hardly "rare" though but nice to have. question > ; do all pic bag outdoor miners contain a white vinyl single? p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:53:15 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Stereolab In a message dated 19/04/01 20:30:07 GMT Daylight Time, r_j_h@yahoo.com writes: > Based on some ICers mentioning them, I picked up > Stereolab's "Cobra Phases..." album. I've listened to > it a couple of times and find really disappointing. > There were a couple of OK ambient/trance tracks, but > as a whole, it felt like a compilation of theme songs > from French soap operas. > > Is that a representative album for them? Thanks for > any info. > > /////////// they get smoother with time. i bought about the first 6 albums and got bored , i'm sure later albums have their moments but it was getting a bit samey. i prefer the earlier edgier stuff like "peng" or the super-electric single.p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:45:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: [idealcopy] can i get A Witness? I don't know if this band is acclaimed, reviled or ignored by you all, but I just yesterday received my copy of the A Witness compilation disc Threaphurst Lane from voiceprint.co.uk, and I'm loving it. At first I was a little unhappy that it was just one disc, but the discography in the back reveals that it leaves out only two songs plus a few Peel Sessions-only tracks. I never thought I'd have "Sharpened Sticks" and "I Love You Mr. Disposable Razors" on CD. I suppose the band was shorter-lived than I remembered... Nevertheless. The point is, I had no idea this reissue existed until a few months ago, and wanted to share that information with any Copyists who might get some use out of it. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:52:11 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] It was all whirlwind, heat and flash! Michael>>>>What about SYR 3 (w/ Jim O'Rourke)? I like it but not as much as the first two, although it is very good in parts. I almost bought the Oasis interview argument single Steve Shelley plays sped up on it for a couple of quid but in the end having to have the Gallagher's dumb faces in the house would have been too debasing... >>>>I'm wondering if you've heard any of Thurston's free-noise albums or Kim's syr5. Actually parts of Lee R's 'Dirty Windows' feature the whole SY minus Kim. I have a big problem with most of her post-Dirty vocals. She just sounds like she's singing a deaf baby to sleep or something (well actually its the last track on Dirty were she began to sound awful). From the few tracks I heard on SYR5, it would have been great if they'd erased the vocals. Ikue Mori the drum programmer on SYR5 is an original and her two Death Ambient collaborations on Tzadik with Fred Frith and Kato Hideki rate as some of the greatest music ever recorded. Thurston Moore does so much that the quality sometimes suffers. I enjoyed his light and airy collaborations with drummer Tom Surgal. The Root remixes had their moments (best Add N to X track ever?) but Bruce's contribution was a bit obvious. Someone who went to the Root installation said the best remix of all was the Pan Sonic one which didn't feature on the compilation (what purse watcher left them off in favour of Blur and Pulp and Stereolab????) Miles>>>>I know I enjoyed hearing "Never Let Me Down Again" -- which is, after all, a man singing about his penis -- all over the radio during the height of the Tipper Gore-PMRC '80s rock censorship crusade. I thought all Robbie Williams' songs were about a penis too! A bit 'old hat' after the shaman of spirits (alcoholic type) Jim Morrisson did that "oooh missus me mojo's risin'" routine (forget the exact lyrics) but nevermind. I also have to give Little Richard some credit for his dingalang lingalong or whatever it was. Morrisson also might have given Gahan the leather trousers shtick as buffalo herds rotted on the plains. Stadium rock was always a bore! I thought the cover of Sonic Youth's 'Goo' album was a rather good slap at the face of the PMRC. A badly proportioned Ray Pettibone picture of a couple at the wheel of a car with the legend: "I stole my sister's boyfriend. It was all whirlwind heat and flash. Within a week we killed my parents and hit the road." Better still was Alternative Tentacles stickering up lots of albums with labels that read: "WARNING! Explicit opinions. If you want your kids to grow up as blinkered and stupid as you don't let them buy this record." That's more my idea of subversive. Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:54:09 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] The Most Subversive Pop Singles of The Eighties No. 3 Shakin' Stevens - This Ole House Thatcher pushed miners to their knees and bulldozed hospitals leaving minors to sneeze. She stripped jolly Olde England (before Lady Die and Chunnel) of all its dwindling glory to make a fast buck and give a few boring old liers an easy fat pension. This was predicted by one prescient Welshman, who had a vision of Elvis in denim that made him shake! Shaky (as they called him) sang of an old house. This was a metaphor for jolly Olde England. Shaky had no time to fix the windows and doors, or the shingles and floors. These were of course the mines and hospitals, utilities and schools. The criticism of the government is clear: the old house had shingles on the roof, so a Thatcher was not what it needed! Sadly before he could bring down the government his old house was blown to pieces by a leaky gas main. Shaken by his ordeal, Shaky retired from the music biz and hid behind the green door where he was employed on a government rehabilitation scheme for former Elvis impersonators as a footballer in a comic strip. ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:07:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: subversive top 30 pil in pasadena On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 HeySean@aol.com wrote: > At the time punk was all posturing here in sunny So Cal. We had angst; only > it was shopping mall angst, where do you wanna eat for dinner angst, can we > have the pool party at your house angst. After the Ramones came through and "Let's get sushi...and not pay!" --_Repo Man_ - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::can you write underwater on liquid paper?:: __Zippy__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:12:58 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Stereolab Rick, << Based on some ICers mentioning them, I picked up Stereolab's "Cobra Phases..." album. I've listened to it a couple of times and find really disappointing. There were a couple of OK ambient/trance tracks, but as a whole, it felt like a compilation of theme songs from French soap operas. Is that a representative album for them? Thanks for any info. >> It's representative of the way they've been for the past few years, but far from the best stuff they've done. Start with Mars Audiac Quintet and work backwards. The compilation Switched On Stereolab is recommended too, as well as the earlier albums. Much more kraut/drone sounding than the later "noodling" easy listening stuff. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:13:36 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - DEVO/DOVE Paul, << again , not as good in practice as in theory.....p >> Pretty much sums Devo up for me. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:16:38 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Metal << ////////// you forgot telephone , who probably sold more french "punk" records than anyone. produced by mike thorne.....can't recall ever hearing much though. i think "big in belgium" etc. p >> Much more in the "Nice New Wave" genre. A couple of years ago I bought a French album simply on the strength of the band's name - Aston Villa (honest!) Pearl Jam-esque grunge, actually quite listenable (disappointingly!) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:00:41 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] stereolab fernando wrote :- As a long time fan of theirs, I found Cobra a bit of disappointment and the followup mini LP even worse. My faves are the VU-sounding Transient Random Noise and the Neu!-sounding Mars Audiatic Quintet... some people prefer Emperor Tomato Ketchup... which is a nice album as well. Dots and Loops is also good... but continues downward process (for me). agree with all the above, though i'd say check out 'Peng!' as well, ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 02:04:25 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] post-whore mark wrote :- Or a standard rock version of So and slow... ;-) absolutely mark. Me too...just bought Cubase and am hoping to spend some time over the next week or so getting it to work! As a strictly analogue musician (retd.) to whom the height of recording technology is a Tascam 244 portastudio it should be interesting! again...me too! I must say I'm with Giluz that the original Idealcopy music project idea was a lot more "Wire" than another covers project, agreed... Wire, what a band...bunch of schizo's....... ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:53:58 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] outdoor miner 7" sean wrote :- what's my 7" Outdoor Miner on white vinyl worth these days ian wrote :- judging by my emails re Mannequin... probably about about 18 dollars by my reckoning. anyone?? Chriswire wrote :- I bought a very good condition copy on e-bay about 3 months ago for 4 pounds. ian writes back :- maybe not 18 dollars then, i suspect there are more white vinyl copies of Outdoor Miner out there than we realise... but then someone else has mailed to say i'm about right... oh i don't know, somewhere inbetween Sean??????? ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:53:07 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It was all whirlwind, heat and flash! In a message dated 19/04/01 21:59:36 GMT Daylight Time, crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk writes: > Ikue Mori the drum programmer on SYR5 is an original > and her two Death Ambient collaborations on Tzadik > with Fred Frith and Kato Hideki rate as some of the > greatest music ever recorded. > > Errr ! How the hell on earth would I know about this !.Doffing my cap in deference. (I have consumed about 7 pints of Wadsworth 6X ) This is my pathetic "Get Out Clause" by the way. Fred Frith .... now then Graeme. A man to be reckoned with ! Thoroughly enjoyed The Fall bantar.Excellent prose.Beautiful punctuation. Can Ikue Mori handle " Sitting here in Queens eating refried beans" "Reading all the magazines" "Gulping down Thorazines ' I won't bore you with the rest but the last line of " We're a Happy Family " by the Ramones (sadly now minus Joey} is " Daddy likes Men ! " . Teenage angst ! I have just realised that I have been replying to individuals on e-mail to Idealcopy rather than to Reply All.Lucky you ! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:58:36 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It was all whirlwind, heat and flash! In a message dated 19/04/01 21:59:36 GMT Daylight Time, crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk writes: > but nevermind. I also have to give Little Richard some > credit for his dingalang lingalong or whatever it was. > Chuck Berry? Lying flat down on the ground ! covered in flame resistent material ! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:26:02 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Fred Frith Fred Frith...Chris Cutler...Dagmar Krause Art Bears, a band I would have truly loved to have seen live. Rats and monkeys crowd the city as it crumbles into ruins...walls are loosening true but gates are blocked. It puts me in mind of The Residents and Tuxedomoon. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:03:11 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] ot-Re: savage republic bruce licher, ipr guy and founding member of savage republic, has a new(er) project called scenic. i say newer, because they're really not new anymore. scenic has been around about 6 years, yet have only released 2 albums and a few singles/eps. there is a new ep titled spheres, and the long-awaited album will eventually follow...hopefully soon. the ep is quite atmospheric, in contrast to the tribal rhythms of savage republic. as for savage republic, there are plans to rerelease the albums soon. if the last you heard was from the mid-80s (possibly the ceremonial album), you may want to try finding their later work from 88-90. if you like the tragic figures album, you may like those. they released 2 studio lps and 1 live one during those years. titles are jamahiriya (very hard to find on cd), customs (contains a great song called rapemans first ep), and live in europe 88. here comes the shameless self promotion...if you want to see savage republic or other ipr letterpress artwork online, please visit my website Trudge Trudge (http://members.tripod.com/~Trudge). there are also links to other ipr related sites and an email group. - -paul c.d. In a message dated 4/19/01 4:48:17 AM, giluz@nettalk.com writes: >Savage Republic - Now, that's a name I didn't hear for a long time. Used >to >really like them in the mid-80's, a few years ago I played one of their >albums and found it quite dated and boring. Anyone has any idea what they're >doing now? > >giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #119 *******************************