From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #116 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, April 18 2001 Volume 04 : Number 116 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] RIP 2 ["ian jackson" ] [idealcopy] MICHAEL O'SHEA [kevin eden ] [idealcopy] Re: Autechre [Howard Spencer ] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #115 [Mattspearcy@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT: "New" John Cale ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] [idealcopy] Re:RFoS ["ray\)\(o\)\(mac" ] [idealcopy] more Post Whore [j alberson ] Re: [idealcopy] All I said was Depeche mode....... [Miles Goosens ] [idealcopy] DJ Carhouse & MC Hellshit... [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowlan] [idealcopy] Most subversive single of the Eighties? [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graem] [idealcopy] When One Is Quite Able To Take Off [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20R] Re: [idealcopy] RIP [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] more Post Whore ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] RIP ["Katherine Pouliot" ] [idealcopy] Metal ["Cambra, Robert" ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: post-whore [Tim Robinson ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: "New" John Cale [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [none] ["ian jackson" ] RE: [idealcopy] OT: "New" John Cale ["giluz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:27:53 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RIP 2 >From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Odd that no one here's mentioned it yet, >but Joey Ramone died Sunday. Also, the sad passing of John Fahey should not go unposted here i think. See Obit. in this months issue of The Wire. Got lots of his stuff, for anyone unfamiliar with it, it's blues based (but don't let that put you off) instrumental acoustic guitar for the most part, uses lots of drone notes which lends gives it a meditative almost raga-like quality, best place to start could be 'The Best Of John Fahey - 1959-1977'. RIP John & Joey, two great Americans. ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 03:30:31 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] MICHAEL O'SHEA MICHAEL O'SHEA (WMO 12CD) This CD now about to go into production. Contents are the 5 tracks produced by Gilbert & Lewis for the 1982 Dome Records album. PLUS: Alternative take of 'Guitar No. 1' from above album; 2 tracks in collaboration with Stano from his 1983 'Content to Write in I Dine Weathercraft' LP; 2 backing tracks of the same from above; 1 track in collaboration with Larry Cosgrave from the 1985 'Easter Island' cassette. CD has been beatifully re-packaged with 16 page booklet that includes extensive sleevenotes by Kevin S. Eden and previously unseen photographs from O'Shea family archives. Only 1000 copies to be manufactured. Order now to avoid disappointment. Price: GBP12. Contact WMO (US) for USA prices. ===== kevin eden wmo, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk wmouk@yahoo.com http://wiremailorder.com/ "dreams that money can buy" Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:06:37 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Autechre I was at the Fridge - not as an autechre fan as such - just liked odd bits I'd heard and fancied going. Quite liked the support but couldn't see the point in what Autechre did at all. I can't say anything more profound because I reacted to by disappointment by drinking large amounts of lager. I do recall that the crowd reaction at the end was one of the most muted of any gig I've been to. I have to admit to a luddite/theatrical element in me that wants to see more from live performance than blokes crouched over laptops, twiddling and clicking. A short and striking-looking middle aged man shouting YOU REALLY TAKE THE BISCUIT does nicely. Then again, if the music's good enough, that dosen't matter so much. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:24:15 EDT From: Mattspearcy@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #115 my band, Fat Chance does a great cover of 12XU ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:03:19 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: "New" John Cale >That song was on "In the Flat Field" CD and is credited to 'Cale'. >No first name, but JC is a pretty good guess. Found it on allmusic.com - it is by John Cale and appears on his 79 "Sabotage/Live" album Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:01:55 -0500 From: "ray\)\(o\)\(mac" Subject: [idealcopy] Re:ATp-RPS Imagine! An arogant , ignorant, egotistical promoter. What are the odds? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:16:19 -0500 From: "ray\)\(o\)\(mac" Subject: [idealcopy] Re:RFoS I have a US IRS single (45) of Mercinaries (Ready for War) c/w Rose Garden Funeral of Sores. Don't think it made it on to the album. If it did, that would be Sabotage. Ofcourse there is a great amount of 'cred in covering b-sides ;) Bahaus never did it for me - tho they were pretty stupendous live the one time i saw them (around the sky's gone out) Haskins and Ash spent that evening trying to convince a friend of mine that she should commit suicide rather than sleep with them, which was rather evil indeed. She's happilly married to a dentist in Philladelphia (and I am sure she feels healthier) now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 06:44:37 -0700 (PDT) From: j alberson Subject: [idealcopy] more Post Whore Okay, so it's (so) obvious there's some interest in another collection of Wire covers. Will anybody else commit to doing a cover for it? I'm going to meet with the other guy I'm recording with tomorrow to decide on a song...and possibly start recording my contribution. Whooping and such-like, Jack Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:51:32 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] All I said was Depeche mode....... Tim Robinson takes on Graeme, or vice-versa... > And surely the only 80s band who can rival > > Wire for twisted, subversive pop singles are Depeche > Mode? > > No, no, no, fucking no way don't be so silly and > reductionist. Graeme, let's not call fellow listmembers "silly," 'k? "Reductionist" is fine. :-) >Oooooh get you! OK it was a sweeping statement, but I stick by it! >I can't believe Im defending 'ver mode here, cos they are a bit crap, but >if you blank out the image of the band, the dreadful stadium rock stuff >they did in the 90s, and just listen to those great and *strange* >singles. Its not the lryics at all, its the weird little melodies....that >shouldn't be on the radio! > > Ever heard?????????? > >(long list of fairly well known mid 80s alt-rock follows) snip > >I could say you were being ever so slightly patronising there, and is >that a whiff of dusty old rock-snobbery on the breeze? >But I *was* talking about Pop with a capital P, meaning radio-friendly >unit shifter with shiny production values. Argument falls a bit flat cos >Wire didn't shift many units, but the intention was there (whether from >band or label). This is what I was about to say -- Tim's not making an argument for DM as a hugely innovative paradigm-shifting band; rather, he seems to be saying that DM managed to sell millions of albums and get played on the radio tons (somewhat less in the consciousness and radio towers of mainstream USA, though the "Personal Jesus" / "Enjoy the Silence"-era stuff *did* break them on MTV and top 40 radio for a while, and well before that, "Never Let Me Down Again" went top 20, if I remember correctly) while doing some fairly unconventional things within that context. And I agree with that. Where I differ from Tim is on the "Its not the lyrics at all" score -- I think the lyrics have a lot to do with it! I know I enjoyed hearing "Never Let Me Down Again" -- which is, after all, a man singing about his penis -- all over the radio during the height of the Tipper Gore-PMRC '80s rock censorship crusade. Again, lest I be barraged with a list from Graeme of more dangerous lyrics, I'm not claiming that DM penned the cleverest lyrics ever, only that they slipped in more subversion and cleverness than a first listen to their glossy dance-y poppy sounds might lead you to believe. later, listowner Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:58:59 +0100 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: [idealcopy] Enjoy The Video FEATURED VIDEO Wire, "Ahead" http://www.epitonic.com/video/wireahead.html Get a glimpse inside the dark complicated world of one of the seminal bands of the late twentieth century. Make sure to fasten your seatbelt and hold on; the road ahead is bumpy and unpredictable. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:47:08 -0400 From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT: Eater/Punk Rock movie I agree, it actually played in the NYC movie theatres (well one actually) back in the late 70's and I recall going to see it, mostly out of curiosity, not expecting too much and it was releavatory. A lot of the bands I had heard on vinyl but the performances and the verite shots of fans and clubs was like looking in on another planet. Even at the height of the CBGB/Max's scene, the kids never dressed to advertise the lifestyle. And of course it was both a releif and a vindication to see that the Sex Pistols actually rocked when they were onstage and for years I carried the strong memory of the sheer charisma of Johnny Rotton with that closing bit w/ just him and the camara and his insane glee at smashing something or other up whilst the camera person just kind of intoned his name. A wizard a true star. Steve. G >From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com >To: johnroberts_stats@yahoo.com, PaulRabjohn@aol.com, idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: [idealcopy] Re: OT: Eater >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:20:55 EDT > >In a message dated 14/04/01 17:46:39 GMT Daylight Time, >johnroberts_stats@yahoo.com writes: > > > > For my sins I have never seen the Punk Rock Movie. > >///////// i was only slagging the eater bit , not the whole thing ; its got >some fabulous footage of almost every great 77 band except wire (wonder if >their roxy performance got filmed?). it got released on video a few years >back in a censored form (cutting out a scene of keith levine shooting up) >and >is well worth getting hold of. p _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:18:16 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Sonic Youth eps; Cale Track >- -paul c.d. was listening to >sonic youth-syr 1 > >Although I think SY releases on Geffen have all been a >bit patchy, I highly rate this one and SYR2 (apart >from the last track) and most of the 'Goodbye 20th >Century' (especially the James Tenney & Pauline >Oliveros pieces), What about SYR 3 (w/ Jim O'Rourke)? I love all 4 of these releases, far prefering them to the Geffen stuff (although I think the last several Geffen releases have been excellent at times), but #3 is easily my favorite. and the best Sonic Youth related >release in years is Lee Ranaldo's 'Dirty Windows' Again, no real argument, but I'm wondering if you've heard any of Thurston's free-noise albums or Kim's syr5. (Just curious of what you think, if you have). >Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:27:43 +0200 >From: "giluz" >Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: "New" John Cale > >> Talking of Cale: I have 2 of his albums- Guts and Fear, and I >> think they're >> ok. Now Bauhaus had a song (on Dark Entries) that was called Rosegarden >> Funeral of Sores, which apparently was written by a Cale (presumably >> John).... Can anyone confirm this, and tell me if Cale has his own version >> somewhere? > >Don'y know in what form it was originally released, but I've got Cale's >version of this song on a bootleg. I don't think you can get it through any >of the official releases. And it's even better than the Bauhaus version. > >giluz It was a b-side to a single, and was once quite a collector's item. It is now readily available on the re-release of "Sabotage" on cd. The cd also includes the out of print 3 song ep "Animal Justice." Well worth getting, if you're into Cale. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:54:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] post-whore/Erasure erased [Another Whore] "So I guess the order of business is...do we treat it like an album? Do we limit ourselves to one (or two) covers apiece or should we just put up however much we want? Any ideas?" I think it might get a bit silly if people put up 40 versions each. (Avoids hook for bad pun.) Erm. One or two would do. Mind you, the response so far hasn't exactly been deafening. I claim "Brazil" for VMU :-) [Erasure] "i think everything they did was a hit til "figures in crumbs" so maybe wir killed them off. result." Oddly enough, if you look at their chart positions, it was that utterly abysmal Abba cover that killed them. They got to no. 1, but after that: nothing. Serves the buggers right. C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:59:04 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] DJ Carhouse & MC Hellshit... Ian sj asked >>>>oh man, is any of their stuff easily available? Unfortunately maybe not. I have a 7" EP which came with Resonance the LMC magazine (live in London) and the 3" Manchester Disobey performance on Blast First plus another BFFP 3" compilation from Frieze magazine shared with Merzbow & Masonna (and compiled by Russell Haswell if memory serves). All of these are definitely out of print. The Blast First 3" documents the funniest gig I have ever seen. There was also a CD on Japan Overseas which I have never seen or heard. I think this was a document of a performance in Hong Kong or Japan and it would only be available as an expensive import if at all. It might be worth contacting the Rough Trade shop in London or http://www.forcedexposure.com If you like MC Hellshit try anything by Boredoms, UFO Or Die, or Naked City's 'Torture Garden' or 'Heretic'. Hanatarash 4 (Public Bath) is also one to look for. Eye's mad versions of Buzzcocks 'ESP/Nothing Left' and Pistols 'God Save The Queen' have to be heard to be believed! If you like Otomo Yoshihide's DJ Carhouse stuff try Ground Zero - Null & Void (Tzadik) http://www.tzadik.com - Revolutionary Pekinese Opera (Recommended) Otomo Yoshihide & Jon Rose - Tatkiuri (Creativeman) Otomo Yoshihide - We Insist? (Sound Factory) Some of these might still be available from Recommended records http://www.megacorp.u-net.com The Ground Zero discs should be regular stock at any halfway clued up independent record shop with an 'experimental' section. >>>>anyone got any idea how much the 'Mannequin' 7" is going for these days?? Not even curiosity. It's a waste of space with no natural grace. ;-) Actually I saw a copy for #12 within the last year or so. The other early Wire singles seem to go for about #7-8 up here in the North of England, except black vinyl Outdoor Miners which are sometimes a bit cheaper. Almost bought a pricey Map Ref a couple o'years back for the Go Ahead version I'd never heard, then a few weeks later bought a 154 CD for a couple of quid less than the 7". Haven't seen Question of Degree, Our Swimmer or Crazy About Love around for a long time and coincidentally these are the ones I have. You'd have to be a starving moron to flog your copies of these though, wouldn't you? John asked >>>>Have you ever seen Volcano the Bear live? No, but the album is better than I expected it to be from the one track I'd heard previously. If they play in Manchester I'll go, maybe I'll even put them on if need be. BTW poor ol' Joey Ramone died of lymph cancer on Sunday (Jesus Christ in reverse?) He wasn't Too Tough To Die! He never wanted to grow up! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:01:09 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Most subversive single of the Eighties? I would like to nominate for this title, not a Depeche Mode single. No, not even a Wire single. From the orbit frame that also spat out a belated 'Crazy About Love' 12" and the fourth Dome, I give you... "Wings" by The Fall (1983, 1860's and the future) This shocking expansion vignette concerns a small alteration of the past which turns time into space. This event enabled the Fall group to entertain the neighbourhood of infinity in the time of the giant moths. This is not only subversive to the minds that encroach upon freedom and quench change forces, but is of course the next step in the evolution of the beings we call 'human'. The only way to avert imminent collapse and death of the planet is to go boldly where our starpower saviour 'William Shatner' flapped his vinyl front ear. This vinyl front ear is a new body modification but not necessarily specific to the evolutionary process which will enable sheer will spirit to inhabit space beyond planetary confines where gravitational reductions and gaseous lack take their toll on fleshy organs. Specifically, the protagonist purchases a pair of flabby wings and takes to doing some hovering. To get clear of the airlanes he hires some gremlins and pays them off with stuffing from the wings. The stuffing lost makes him hit a time lock and he ends up in the US Civil War where he shoots dead a stupid sergeant under a brick bridge. The stupid sergeant can be seen as a metaphor for obvious direct control. The brick bridge can be read as a metaphor for indirect passive but more pervasive control. We can shoot all inept leaders who always sell us out but can only afford temporary respite from bodily confines. Returning to his former time he finds the shop that sold him the wings no longer exists. Let down by the hollow transient promises of capitalism, he sleeps in ditches and hides away from nosy kids while the wings rot and fester under him. Whether the wings were made in distant foreign lands by people forced to live like lab rat sacrifices on the aimless altar of abundance is unclear. But he should have grown his own wings and not relied on dubious cheapo substitutes. Day by day, the moon gains on him. Space and time are the same. Only limited planetary perception causes the illusion of difference. The author, known by many as 'MES', is also credited with writing 'Elastic Man' at one step removed and since then has spotted Hawkman looming above the Manchester skyline and Lucifer rising over Lancashire. Like the sun, Lucifer was known as lightbringer in ancient times. 'Elastic Man' may be an evolutionary step towards attainment of sheer will spirit, if only Elastica guest slot routines can be avoided. A few dinosaurs adapted to become birds, including hawks. Their general shrinkage enabled flight. >>Why do birds sing?!<< And no birds do sing. In present primitive warlike bodies human beings are not fit for space conditions. The dinosaurs, in their popular Disney debased behemoth form, became unfit even for planetary conditions. All are just cattle for slaughter. Another meteor will impact and all the money in Hollywood will not make it bow to Uncle Sam or Bruce Willis in his orange jumpsuit. Sheer will spirit will save plenty on your laundry bills! ~RTZ~CIA~NME~AIDS~WTO~MTV~DNA~NWO~CJD~MP3~NASA~DNA~12XU~DNA~ "Call for Escape Route!" Escape the coil. It's time to go. "cLEAR oFF." >>What's this for?!<< Turning time into space is what music is for. >>Why are we here?!<< "We are all here to go into space." William S. Burroughs "We should kill time, shut it down!" Lee Ranaldo The stars are burning bright tonight. No time for Gahan's leather trousers or old romantic fashion dish! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:02:50 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] When One Is Quite Able To Take Off >>And now back to our scheduled program<< Finally got around to cutting the slack and listening to the original 'Crazy About Love' 12" for the first time since hearing Colin's drastic remix and suddenly it seems very melodic and has a new life to it. The remix has made the original sound better and more vibrant, although I kind of miss Lewis' atonal interjections. But in a way the whole point of the rmix seems to have been to make the melodic aspects more apparent, and Lewis is inverting them all the way through the original. I guess it was Graham who played the sax on the original? Who was playing the piano? Colin? The other side of the 12" of course features '2nd Length' which is the sped up redone version of 'Our Swimmer'. What I'm curious about now is whether this was played live or if some studio trickery or primitive sampling or sequencing process was involved? I think it must've been played live as 1980 was before that kind of thing was being done, wasn't it? However the drums, at least, sound sequenced. 'Catapult 30' sounds like another partially sequenced track but is it? Why is it called 'Catapult 30'? There is certainly a parallel between Our Swimmer's accelerated forward propulsion into the 2nd Length and Colin's remix of the live '12XU' tapes which makes the original sound a bit lethargic! Since 2nd Length and Catapult 30 were the last Wire recordings before the preSnakeDrill hiatus this can only mean one thing if the parallel is strong: the next Wire release must surely be new material! Will it appear at the same time as the Disobey event? Has anyone heard Colin's 'Another The Letter' remix? (didn't someone hear him DJ with it in Chicago?) How did it compare to the original amd the Brochure+ version? Tim on ACR>>>>A bit overproduced but so was Ideal Copy and A Bell is A cup from the same era...it was the 80s after all. I disagree. I wouldn't change anything about these except maybe replacing Finest Drops with German Shepherds, but if you want to give these albums a more lo-fi brutalist feel try playing them through a distortion pedal (The In-Ideal Esse Bell). I stopped bothering with the Digital Hardcore label after discovering I could have much more fun with generic bargain bin techno CD's scribbled on with felt tip to cause occasional glitching and fed through a distortion pedal. Hours of limitless time collapsing! The eighties were not all about high production values. Have a listen to the first Butthole Surfers record or the Dinosaur debut or especially Walkingseeds Know Too Much EP to see what I mean. Then there is of course The Fall Slates 10" to consider ("academic male slags reel off names of books and bands") and those early Shockabilly and Half Japanese records... etc. I started listening to pop music avidly in 1979 with the Stranglers' Duchess and Elvis Costello's Oliver's Army and was listening throughout the eighties. It was an arbitrary ten year period of vast musical diversity if you look for it. The Emperor Augustus and Jesus Christ were to blame for it. Not Trevor Horn and Laurie Latham. To swim and to swim and to swim... Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:06:58 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RIP In a message dated 17/04/01 04:55:08 GMT Daylight Time, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: > Odd that no one here's mentioned it yet, but Joey Ramone died Sunday. In > some respects, the Ramones and Wire are at terminal poles opposed, but the > Ramones are one of those rare bands without which it's hard to imagine > very much of what followed - including the early Wire. > > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > //////// just saw an obituary today in the guardian. shame. went to see > television on sun night (absolutely brilliant......) and saw that "NY punk > family trees" the other week so i'd been thinking about those CBGB bands > recently. the ramones in particular kick-started so much back then. you can > only guess that joey and co. had a "25 year celebration" under > consideration if he got better ; and i bet they aren't the only ones...p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:48:42 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] more Post Whore I would be interested in having a go at "The 15th". Is there a deadline? I hate deadlines. Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of j alberson Sent: April 17, 2001 9:45 AM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] more Post Whore Okay, so it's (so) obvious there's some interest in another collection of Wire covers. Will anybody else commit to doing a cover for it? I'm going to meet with the other guy I'm recording with tomorrow to decide on a song...and possibly start recording my contribution. Whooping and such-like, Jack Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:11:43 -0400 From: "Katherine Pouliot" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RIP I am really sad to hear about this. Saw it on an internet browser "news" page yesterday and my jaw dropped. Was amazed at how little attention was given and that nothing was mentioned in the evening news on TV. Heard "I wanna be sedated" today on the radio, and nobody made any mention about Joey's death before or after. DUH. How sucky! kath - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey To: A Rich and Comfortable Life with Paper Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:40 PM Subject: [idealcopy] RIP > Odd that no one here's mentioned it yet, but Joey Ramone died Sunday. In > some respects, the Ramones and Wire are at terminal poles opposed, but the > Ramones are one of those rare bands without which it's hard to imagine > very much of what followed - including the early Wire. > > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > ::"In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - > :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:35:14 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Metal Long entries on The Fall, Joy Division and The Cure are something I endure to enjoy this list overall, but it's all worthwhile for those occasional mentions of those old not so well know favorites Metal Urbain, Blurt/Ted Milton (very exciting to hear that he did a guest shot with Wire last year) and DAF. The Metal Boys were a bit of Gothic fun, but Metal Urbain--imagine Wire were French and for some reason wanted to be the Sex Pistols, ate meth amphetamine all day long and took their inspiration for guitar playing from Eddie Cochran. The CD has a lot of stuff not on the LP including a live recording of Lady Coca Cola with a pack of girls screaming on cue between riffs. By around '81 the main guy was doing something called Dr. Mix and The Remix, all whacked out classic rock covers. Hilarious. Robert > Metal Urbain: les hommes morts sont dangereux > Excellent ! Another Metal Urbain enthusiast.I have a couple of singles & the one they released as "The Metal Boys" (I presume).Can you elaborate on this release ? Cheers Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:34:35 +0100 From: Tim Robinson Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: post-whore Certainly sounds good to me...perhaps we could host the files at both MP3.com and WMO. Good idea but I was under the impression that MP3.com don't allow cover versions or anything to which you don't own the copyright to be uploaded. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:50:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: "New" John Cale On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Syarzhuk Kazachenka wrote (re "Rosegarden Funeral of Sores"): > Found it on allmusic.com - it is by John Cale and appears on his 79 > "Sabotage/Live" album That must be a reissue - I have a copy of the LP release, and it's not on there. (At least I think it's a copy of the LP release - might be a copy of the CD release. I taped it from a friend, cuz I'm a cheap, music-industry - cheating bastard.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 02:41:40 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] re:Mannequin reply Thanks Paul, this is the only 70's Wire single i don't have, a mate has one which i covet greatly! i'm going to have to find one soon before it creeps up towards #15. stupid, but neccessary! cheers ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 03:43:46 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [none] Graeme wrote :- (Jim O'Rourke's) 'Eureka' was quite forgettable - just too sugary. strange, but this lp i really didn't like at first (i haven't heard any of his other stuff, not heard much Gastr Del Sol either...remedy, remedy) the Ivor Cutler cover to start 'Eureka' drew me in, but it took a lot of perseverance.....and....... it turned into my most played lp of last year!! yes it's sugary, yes the backing tracks are easy-listening..., but there are some fabulous lyrics if you can get behind the 'sheen', e.g. 'You're thinking on your feet, while you're sitting there, on your ass', or... 'I going to a place, where the women have nothing on but their radio's turned up to 10', i mean...come on!! genius! >>Ian sj listened to Meat Puppets - II Lets hear it for one of the greatest feelgood psych-punkfreakouts ever recorded. i've already admitted that it was the Nirvana thing that made me buy it, i had heard the odd track on the radio and liked them, but i knew this was their best lp by far. >>And Ian was listening to Dubsex - Swerve 12" Dub Sex/Dumb are to my mind one (or two) of the most underrated bands ever. Never saw D.S., but i caught Dumb once at the famous Brian's Diner in Liverpool and they were tremendous even in a place like that. 'Thirsty-Don't Drink From The Overflow' is a great lp, what's the other one, Graeme? was that after 'Thirsty..' ? ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:23:08 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: "New" John Cale > Found it on allmusic.com - it is by John Cale and appears on his 79 > "Sabotage/Live" album Really? So they probably put it as a bonus track - it wasn't released on the vinyl version (which only had live material). I remember seeing the CD release of Sabotage and noticing that the Animal Justice EP is there in its entirety (not only is it a great release, it was the first Cale solo that I bought). I didn't notice this one, though. giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #116 *******************************