From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #114 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, April 16 2001 Volume 04 : Number 114 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Another the Lister [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] Post Listening List (The Wait) [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowla] [idealcopy] Re:jerky versions of the dream ["david mack" ] [idealcopy] Re:Sun Blindness Music ["david mack" ] [idealcopy] OT: Volcano the Bear/Banca de Gaia. [John Roberts ] [idealcopy] let them eat hellshit ["ian jackson" ] [idealcopy] the Wire/Datblygu connection ["ian jackson" ] [idealcopy] lamarr/radio 2 ["ian jackson" ] [idealcopy] Another the lister ["ian jackson" ] [idealcopy] Re: Another the lister [Tim Robinson ] Re: [idealcopy] radio 2 - don't crash [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] RE: [idealcopy] Techno crowds ["giluz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 06:48:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Another the Lister "Wire - Coatings . One thing puzzles me...the sleeve of this is apalling crap but the sleeve of its companion piece Turns & Strokes is one of the best in the history of popular music. Hmmm!" IIRC, the sleeve to T&S is basically the one that was on Rough Trade's Crazy about Love, whereas Coatings has a new one that was not on anything previously. I think it's alright, if not something that makes me go 'oooooh', or whatever. "Depeche Mode - Singles 81/85-86-98 - I'm not really a massive fan of these reformed rock pigs but what electropop giants, and what grrrrrreat pop singles" I always wondered (and still wonder) why Depeche Mode get slagged off by so many people. After all, at least they do something a bit different with every album, unlike some of the '80s crowd (see: Erasure, putting out the same shite for 20-odd years now). Barring some of their terrible early synth-pop efforts, I reckon they've done some pretty decent stuff over the years, and the new single, 'Dream On', is a great slice of alternative pop music... The early narratives were spectacularly naive, but since maybe the mid '80s, Martin Gore has proved his worth as both a wordsmith and songwriter, to my ears at least. Best recent finds for me: Banco de Gaia's 'Igizeh' -- every home should have a copy -- The Orb's 'Cydonia' and rediscovering Oribtal after a gap of several years. C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:54:34 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Post Listening List (The Wait) Rick was listening to Killing Joke - s/t I have been replaying the early KJ albums over the last few weeks and this first one sounds as powerful as ever. In fact it seems to gain more weight and oppressive imminence with every spin as if apocalypse really is just around the corner... going back to the primitive mind! Rick>>>>I invariable find some group I've never listened to in every list that's been posted! Posted listening lists? That's what post rock was all about wasn't it? Hey, I bet I could list a big list of stuff you've never heard of! Or did that happen already? This week I was kindly sent a few discs and went and forked over too much moolah for too many sounds again and got me ears full of: The Rip Off Artist - Brain Salad Surgery (more Hot Air blown out from the post-Matmos, Post-Walkman California chirpy simplesampling dream Stock bag) http://www.simplesampling.com Neil Campbell - The Hearing Force of the Humanverse (lovely tremelo drenched solo experimentation from a bagpipe loving member of Vibracathedral Orchestra) Julian Bradley (another dronier solo offering from another VCOrch bod) Light - Touch tour compilation EP with Hazard, Biosphere and the most utterly gorgeously essential bit of computer music you are likely to hear this year from man o'tha future Fennesz http://www.touch.demon.co.uk Volcano The Bear - The One Burned Ma (Residents fans should check this Leicester UK group out now!) http://www.misrarecords.com X Ray Spex - Germ Free Adolescents (inspired by Keith Levene describing them as 'a joke', me like a joke) Pelt - Rob's Choice (cosmic drone and rattle tattle, nice one Rob!) http://www.vhfrecordings.com Pendro - The Oxide Heresies (industrial humours & impregnated ferris wheels) http://www.fflintcentral.co.uk Transient V Resident - Electrical Shroud (Martin Archer's soundscapes might appeal to BC Gilbert/Piquet listeners and he sells all Discus releases for a fiver each!) Ruins - Hyderomastgroningem (my favourite drum & bass combo. All King crimson fans should give this legendary Japanese duo a listen) http://www.tzadik.com Matmos - California Rhinoplasty EP (the hype is a fair do - 'Disco Hospital' is another boundary shaker like a lighthearted Coil bopping gaily with scissors - get ready for the best Bjork album since Kukl!) http://www.brainwashed.com/matmos Kaffe Mathews - CDBea (violin reconstructions from a former Disobedient performer whose laptop also graced Manchester's rumbunctious aLECTRO-eCOUSTIC and way better than the rather more generic follow up CDCecile) http://www.stalk.net/annetteworks Dial - Distance Runner (awesome drilling drum machine damage from former Ut lady Jacqui Ham, a surefire hit or ten for 'Now That's What I Call Post Rock 154' compilation my friends) C-Schulz & Hajsch - Sonig13 (for all those who wish Jim O'Rourke would stop dithering about with those tedious Roy Harper impressions, this is field recording soundscaped brilliantly dilligently) PJ Harvey - Stories From The City, Stories From The Sea (give up lady, you just became a parody of your former glory, gun'n'all. Still a skinny bignose cutie pie though - space here we come!!!!!!!) Gerrrrrrrnetic Engineeeeeeeeeeearrrrring!!!!!!!!!! Lets kamikaze till we get there! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 08:07:18 -0500 From: "david mack" Subject: [idealcopy] Re:jerky versions of the dream as stated before - i have played blessed state in the three bands which comprise my entire musical careen/career - but need to re-record it, as i don't think a complete recorded version is extant not that this would be much of a problem, 'cept'n i won't be able to use real drums ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 08:27:08 -0500 From: "david mack" Subject: [idealcopy] Re:ae actually, i never *got* what the deal was about i the odd track or two, didn't impress me one way or the other, picked up the all black covered one, listened a half dozen times and couldn't hear anything that isn't done better elsewhere my (very subjective) impression is that the chameleon-like nature masks lack of content with exceptional craft the veneer is attractive, but it's still particle board beneath ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 08:20:02 -0500 From: "david mack" Subject: [idealcopy] Re:Sun Blindness Music > Does anyone know anything about it Archival material from the Early Minimalism Outside The Dream Syndicate New York Period. Languished in Tony Conrad's Basement forever. See this month's wire for more detail. V. exciting to these ears, tho I have theis small grain of cynacism about replacing LaMont Young's revisionist history with Tony Conrad's. As with the Velvets, I suspect the egos are almost as large as the music. Tho with the sheer intensity of the times (and the chemicals) I suppose that is to be expected. Cale is my hero throughout. Even his worst recordings have some redeeming qualities (well I haven't found any Words for the Dying yet - but it *could* happen) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:37:10 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Volcano the Bear/Banca de Gaia. > Volcano The Bear - The One Burned Ma (Residents fans > should check this Leicester UK group out now!) > http://www.misrarecords.com Ah! The mighty Volcano. Is this the first time they've appeared on this list? A Frenchman once appeared on the Leicester City FC list asking if anyone on that list knew how to get hold of this lot! Have you ever seen them live Graham? Excellent stuff. Their sense of humour is more evident live. Oh, and Banca de Gaia. I used to live in Leamington and drank in the same pub, played on the same bills as early Banca i.e. Toby. A really nice bloke who had a lot of money and a lot of equipment - and he used to let us use it for free. You can't get much nicer than that. Of course, he might be a complete git these days but I doubt it. John Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:41:46 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: [idealcopy] radio 2 - don't crash So I'm driving up to the football yesterday morning to see Grimsby give Watford a good spanking, thinking I'll be able to listen to Jonathan Ross on the way up, but Mark Lammarr's filling in. 10-40, wahey, I recognise that, Dot Dash comes on. Turn up the volume and become an embarrassing parent for two and a half minutes! (the kids are with me). An hour later, Robyn Hitchcock was suposed to be on but wasn't so he played the Vera Lynn song (don't know the title). Half an hour later - don't crash again - Ambition, Subway Sect. I can't honestly remember the last time I heard Dot Dash on national radio. This weeks listening: AC Marias - One of our Girls Add(N)toX - Insult to Injury Campag Velocette - Bon Chic Bon Genre Radiohead - Kid A Scott 4 - Works Project Stiff Records 4 cd box set (on 'shuffle' play) The Strokes - The Modern Age ep (mp3 available at http://www.thestrokes.com/band.html AndyL apologies to US readers who aren't conversant with division 1 football, Mark Lammarr and Radio2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:48:29 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Autechre, Push, Struggle, Cale Tim>>>>So GR, we rarely agree on anything but what did you think of Autechre last night? In a word: mediocre. But nevertheless I enjoyed the non-spectacle. The best part of the evening was shouting along to a DJ Carhouse & MC Hellshit track played by Russell Haswell. Arriving at the Music Box to hear him playing what sounded like a tape of Autechre arguing about a 'bass button' was grimly prophetic since the bass was not exactly booming during their set. I'm not sure if that was a problem with the acoustics or just the fact that computers can't do bass (mine certainly can't and Masami Akita lost all his bass when he switched to lazy laptop convenience). Indeed Autechre flogged the same old rhythm for most of the set and just like the time I heard them at Sankey's Soap they did a polite crowd pleaser for people to 'dance' to. But what is it with techno crowds? Why do they all shuffle about like sheep and dance so badly? Only my sweaty friend Brian was really giving it some, as he usually does. I guess in a dark crowded humid overheated room full of smoke it isn't easy to attempt acrobatics. I felt like my feet were made of lead by the time Autechre came on. At one point I sat down and the casual jerk off next to me started shouting something at me and trying to shove me off the seat but I didn't move and just kept shouting "What? I can't hear you" at him. Most people there who I knew were less impressed with Autechre than I was. I think only a couple of people I knew actually enjoyed it a lot. I think I had more fun trying to convince Jansky Noise that Egyptian gods were once again abroad on the planet. Team Doyobi did a passable impression of Autechre. Russell Haswell did a mostly predictable mix of fast gabbaness and defmetal with a few odder things chucked in. The other DJ was just plain old tedious toetapcrap. Haswell pushed up the volume to the point where the PA was ridiculously distorted and it just sounded awful. Later Autechre had their sound levels so that it was either painful or tepid depending on where you stood. As Autechre fired up their comps, DJ Speedranch commented that this would be the same beat all night and it was already boring. Acid Al said they'd save the best bit 'til last. They were both right, but the best bit wasn't really worth passing up a lift home for. Philip Jeck in Burnley was much better. Tim listened to >>>>Stereolab - Emporer Tomato Ketchup - Kraftwerk/Wire/Suicide/Serge gainsbourg I have never heard anything by stereolab that warranted comparison to Wire or Suicide!!!! Which Wire tracks does this album remind you of? >>>>Wire - Coatings . One thing puzzles me...the sleeve of this is apalling crap but the sleeve of its companion piece Turns & Strokes is one of the best in the history of popular music. Hmmm! The sleeve of T&S is a miniaturised multiple version of Bruce Gilbert's sleeve for Crazy About Love / 2nd Length / Catapult 30 RT 12". >>>>Chris Clark - Clarence Park - Nice and Noisy Warp Electronica....Dome Fans may like and its only #6 Heard this spinning in Pelicanneck but didn't hear anything noisy although Chad who works there told me there were noisier bits. Sounded nice if a little generic... Matt Wand then called in with a box of CD's on his label Hot Air by The Rip Off Artist 'Brain Salad Surgery' which is pretty good if rather SH&W / Matmos influenced perhaps. But I recommend to anyone who has enjoyed 'Oh My Bag!' or Matmos (who must like bags). >>>>And surely the only 80s band who can rival Wire for twisted, subversive pop singles are Depeche Mode? No, no, no, fucking no way don't be so silly and reductionist. Ever heard?????????? Loop (Collision, Black Sun, Arc Lite), Walking Seeds (Know Too Much, Blathering Out, Shaved Beatnik), Pixies (you know the songs surely?), Sonic Youth (Death Valley 69, Starpower, Providence, White Kross, Into the Groove(Y)), Butthole Surfers (CreamCorn From The Socket of Davis, Live PCPPEP, American Woman) Big Black (Rema Rema, Il Duce, Heartbeat, The Model) Dinosaur (Repulsion, Little Fury Things) Spacemen 3 (Rollercoaster, Revolution) Dub Sex (Caved In, Swerve) Swans (Time is Money (Bastard), Holy Money, Raping A Slave, New Mind) Ensturzende Neubauten (Yu Gung, Durstiges Tier) Birthday Party (Blast Off, Mutiny, The Bad Seed) Nick Cave (The Mercy Seat, Tupelo, The Singer) Black Flag (Six Pack, TV Party, Annihilate This Week) Killing Joke (Sun Goes Down, Eighties, Follow The Leaders, Empire Song, Kings & Queens) This Heat (Health & Efficiency) Killdozer (Lupus, Burl) Foetus (Ramrod, Boxhead, Bedrock, etc) Lydia Lunch (Meltdown Oratorio, The Crumb, Die Karibische Western) ....this list could go on for a fair bit longer. Giluz>>>>JOHN CALE: Sun Blindness Music. Couldn't find any info about this new release. Does anyone know anything about it? There's a big article on the 3 new Cale TOTE CD's in the latest edition of 'The Wire'. Apparently this one comprises 3 Cale tracks circa 65-68 with guitar from Sterling Morrison on one track. Title track is described as an extended organ work. 'The Wire' is worth tracking down this month as it has a compilation CD from Matador with great tracks from Bardo Pond, Matmos, Lesser, Techno Animal and some other not so great ones. And of course there's a letter from me in it too but they haven't sent my free CD yet!!!! The eyeball has it! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:49:42 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Jesus Christ in Reverse with Meat Puppets Too Craig >>>>Well, I'd be up for doing something... I do a mean acoustic guitar version of Brazil that'd make your toes curl. I could always resurrect my Marooned, too. Anyone else? Can I do the Dome matchbox percussion thing please? Paul on Meat Puppets II >>>>are the other MP albums up to this standard? This is the best one. The first album is more manic & deranged, acid country punk tongue twisters. The next one 'Up On The Sun' is full of frantic acoustic guitars and great tunes. After that they go back to harder psyche rock every once in a while ('Liquified' from 'Mirage' is as good as the MP II tunes) and then go full on electric freakout for 'Attacked By Monsters', although they slowed it down and at first I was put off by shades of Led Zepellin I detected. The major label releases were more cleaned up but still had good songs although the last one I heard 'No Joke' was just more of the same and I didn't bother with the one that came after that. I bought all their albums way before Nirvana spoiled three songs (not that it matters). So your best bets are to get the SST albums, in preferred order: Up On The Sun Meat Puppets I Mirage Huevos ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:40:08 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: [idealcopy (Depeche-Pop as Good as Wirepop?) Tim wrote > Depeche Mode - surely the only 80s band who can rival > Wire for twisted, subversive pop singles are Depeche Mode? Would this be the twisted, subversive world of Blasphemous Rumours, Masters and Servants etc? Sorry, but I've heard nothing by Depeche Mode that came close to Wire. Their attempts at twisted subversion always struck me as sad attempts at achieving the covetted Radio 1 ban, or the audio equivalent of the posh kid at school trying to get in with the hard boys. Desperate and laughable. It's a lot, it's a lot like....life! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:53:59 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] All Tomorrow's Pus-Ridden Pig Sties The following arrogant obnoxious crap is lifted from the All Tomorrow's Parties website and was supposedly written by the organiser Barry Hogan http://www.alltomorrowsparties.co.uk Hogan: "Happy new year pop kids" Don't call me a kid grandpops. Why make such unfounded assumptions about the people viewing your website? Hogan: "Some of you who e-mailed me are the same people who looked at names like '.....And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of The Dead', 'Alfie or 'Sigur Ros' and thought who the hell are they on ATP 2000? Now after us making their career by giving them a platform at ATP" This guy's as bad as the eNMEy he appears to read so avidly. Bands make their own 'careers' and don't you forget it! ATP might help them flog more aluminium and vinyl, but ultimately for Hogan to take the credit for making anyone's career but his own and anyone he might happen to employ on a regular basis for a living wage is frankly laughable - nearly as laughable as the footling Oasisclonecrud Alfie pedal. Hog: "you went and bought the record, bought the t-shirt and then sucked their rock star genitals and went to every show they played in your home town." I've never bought a record, sucked the genitals or had anything to do with T-Shirts advertising any of the above. Alfie did keep me in the bar whilst I waited for Kreidler to play, and Sigur Ros keep cropping up on bills with other bands I like and they're pleasant if a bit over precious, and Trail aren't doing anything that hasn't been done better many times before but I have nothing against them and their style of high energy rock. Don't tell me, as someone reading your spew on your website, what I listen to. I've never met you! Hog: "Hypocrites all of you." I guess everyone is guilty of hypocrisy from time to time. Perhaps even the mighty Mr Hogan who has made so many of today's fabulous rock stars the wonderful people we worship and fellate at every opportunity. Hog: "We are picking good music on this bill and the diversity scares you." No it doesn't you patronising old fool. Hog: "You will also be able to log onto this site and listen to what makes artists like Tortoise get jiggy before going out." So it's not the drugs? Hog: "You won't win the lottery but you might get a chalet and just think." I always go to festivals just to think. I spend so much time thinking that I miss all the bands but I do get some amazing ideas for cheap insults to put on my website! And I'm not even pus-ridden! Hog: "You'll be able to spend your #100 you saved on a ticket and buy you a very unhealthy amount of drinking and some jazz mags depending on how sad you are you'll have the best festival ever." This is more a reflection on Hogan's tastes in entertainment than anyone else's I imagine. Some paying punters at ATP might even spend some cash on records. After they've paid Alfie for the honour of some tremendous fellatio of course. Hog: "It has also been reported that I have ripped the kids off because I never replaced ESG or Black Heart Procession. Perhaps you should hear the truth instead of soap dodging students giving their two cents worth." Is soap dodging a thrilling new sport? What happens? Do the contestants get extra points for not getting hit by the soap thrown at them by the opposing team? Is this sport already so intellectually demanding that the players must prove their ability by studying for degrees in it? So someone who paid #100 for the honour of being a 'miserable cunt' at ATP was only allowed two cents worth? That seems a lousy deal! Hog: "for any of you to say this year was a rip off you are quite simply a bunch of cunts." Better a cunt than an arrogant patronising arsehole with poorly punctuated diahorrea. Hog: "Look what I am trying to say is, if you don't like what we are doing................Then fuck off and don't come back." Never been and never will after visiting this stupid website. Hog: "By the way this is not aimed at everyone just the ones who criticised everything to do with this year. ''Oh the line-ups not my bag and this is wrong and where's my towel to wipe up my wet bed''." So it's pretty dumb to put it on a website where everyone can read it and see the contempt Hogan has for the fans who complained about aspects of the festival. There must have been a lot of them, otherwise surely it would have made sense to email them all individually. Surely no one would complain if the price was raised two cents a head to pay for the bed wetters' extra laundry costs? Hog: "one thing we will do is not disappoint you with the line-up and even the damn students will dig it." Is this comment also only aimed at those who complain or does Hogan just have a chip about students in general? Maybe they should organise an NUS boycott. Hog: "And the patronising tone indicated they were a bunch of pus -ridden students who went on to say the success of this year is down to the past." Tones that can be used to detect pus could be a fairly useless medical trick even if he can pull it off, which is doubtful. Too busy making the careers of all those rock stars! But is it all students who spoil ATP by being 'miserable cunts' or just the pus-ridden ones studying for degrees in soap dodging? Hog: "But rules are made to be broken so off you go and do want you want....." Just as long as you pays your money, don't forget to wash your pustules and don't complain. Do as you are told! I suspect that Hogan knows that the names booked and size of the venue guarantee a sold out event when Shellac curate it next year and so he feels free to insult everyone who reads his website. This stupid website really spoils the whole event doesn't it? Tell you what Hogan, I'll make your career if you give me a well paid job as your PR. You need one desperately. In my favour, I can actually write grammatically if I have to. I can even do punctuation! He'll turn once more to Sunday's clown! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:21:44 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: [idealcopy (Depeche-Pop as Good as Wirepop?) Now now...mustn't be too hard on depeche mode...many's the time I've been waiting to check out at the grocery store and been entertained by the muzak version of everything counts...what higher recognition could any band hope for?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:58:44 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] mannequin anyone got any idea how much the 'Mannequin' 7" is going for these days?? i once saw it at a fair for #10, maybe 7 or 8 years ago. wondering how much i might have to pay now. (squeezes eyes tight shut, in anticipation) cheers, ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:40:36 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] let them eat hellshit Graeme re : DJ Carhouse & MC Hellshit oh man, is any of their stuff easily available? i've got one track on cassette that i treasure (from Peel inevitably), blows my head off every time!! ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:57:49 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] band of susans Re: band of susans (can't remember who asked about them) their version of 'Too Late' was pretty good actually, not particularly divergent from the original. i remember hearing it for the first time (wasn't it from a Peel session?) and thinking... 'i know this, what is it?' ! thought they were ok early on, but kind of lost steam quite quickly, i only have a few tracks on tape so can't really recommend anything. ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:13:03 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] the Wire/Datblygu connection with reference to 'Wire-sounding' things, it struck me that there was a Wire type tune on Datblygu's lp 'Libertino' (pronounced Dat-bluggy, for non-Welsh speakers... me included!) The backing track is pure Wire ABIAC period with a Welsh Mark Smith type vocal, which actually veers towards G.Lewis near the end. the track is called 'Dim Deddf, Dim Eiddo' (No Law, No Property) it's on the mighty Ankst label, Cat. No.- Ankst 037. ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:33:13 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] x-ray harvey From: Graeme X Ray Spex - Germ Free Adolescents (inspired by Keith Levene describing them as 'a joke', me like a joke) i know this can get boring for 'young' folks... but i saw them at the time and it was one of the best nights of my life! sardine time, sweat dripping off the walls, actually captured by BBC (i think) cameras for a documentary. another great lp probably considered as 'dreck' by the so-called intelligentsia. PJ Harvey - Stories From The City, Stories From The Sea (give up lady, you just became a parody of your former glory, gun'n'all. Still a skinny bignose cutie pie though - space here we come!!!!!!!) yes, Graeme, totally agree (on both counts!). saw the original 3-piece in Liverpool and she/they were awesome. tonights emails all done to Wire's 'Behind The Curtain'. i can't begin to tell anyone how much joy i got from hearing 'Stepping Off Too Quick' and 'It's The Motive' for the first time a few years ago. buzzin' lar... ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:55:10 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] lamarr/radio 2 From: "Andrew Lumbard" So I'm driving up to the football yesterday morning to see Grimsby give Watford a good spanking, thinking I'll be able to listen to Jonathan Ross on the way up, but Mark Lammarr's filling in. 10-40, wahey, I recognise that, Dot Dash comes on. Turn up the volume and become an embarrassing parent for two and a half minutes! (the kids are with me). An hour later, Robyn Hitchcock was suposed to be on but wasn't so he played the Vera Lynn song (don't know the title). Half an hour later - don't crash again - Ambition, Subway Sect. I can't honestly remember the last time I heard Dot Dash on national radio. This weeks listening: AC Marias - One of our Girls Add(N)toX - Insult to Injury Campag Velocette - Bon Chic Bon Genre Radiohead - Kid A Scott 4 - Works Project Stiff Records 4 cd box set (on 'shuffle' play) The Strokes - The Modern Age ep (mp3 available at http://www.thestrokes.com/band.html AndyL apologies to US readers who aren't conversant with division 1 football, Mark Lammarr and Radio2 >relpy to : andrew@lumbard.co.uk >cc : idealcopy@smoe.org andy, it doesn't surprise me that Lamarr played Dot Dash, (one M by the way, i checked the paper...then again it was the Guardian!!) despite his 'public' rep as a born again rockabilly. i had a quick chat with him at a Jon Spencer Blues Explosion gig a few years ago, and he seemed like a nice guy, though the chat was brief... 'Ambition' as well though, maybe he's a secret idealcopyist! i always try to check when he's filling in on Saturday mornings, it's always an interesting show. His rock'n'roll show on Monday evenings is great as well... but no chance of a stray Wire or Sect track there, i think. The Strokes sound interesting (are they the new Pavement?..anyone?) but only heard bits on John Peels show. Add N to X - 'Monster Bobby', a monster indeed! ''oo are ya, 'oo are ya, 'oo are ya, 'oo are ya?' ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:00:14 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Another the lister From: Tim Robinson This week I have mostly been listening to: Stereolab - Emporer Tomato Ketchup - Kraftwerk/Wire/Suicide/Serge gainsbourg..IC-ers start here if you don't know them. i'd have said 'Mars Audiac Quintet' but i think i've said it before here..., still, both are fairly cool lp's, let's be honest. Don't get that whole 'Gainsbourg' thing though. Pere Ubu - Dub Housing (I've got these arms and legs and legs a flip flop flip flop....boy that sounds swell!...and presuambly Klive agreed!)....Forken great! absolutely tim, one of my best vinyl finds ever was in 1989, an original copy of 'The Modern Dance' for #8 at Affleck's Palace (NB - an indoor market in Manchester, non-UK people) i was so pleased i was practically jumping up and down for joy!!!!!!!!! ACR - Must thank Ian for helping to rekindle my enjoyment of this marvellous band (A comp of The Fox/Flight/Shack-Up/Knife Slits Water etc...all essential listen for Our Swimmers!) thanks tim, i'm really pleased about this, your emails have done the same for me, i've been playing all the old stuff again, what was the name of the 4th lp? the one after 'I'd Like To See You Aagain' ? i even had that on tape for a while. The Avalanches - Since I Left You LP. one of those records that is too nice, like Pet Sounds....use sparingly! is this a recommendation?? i'm interested in this one, i've heard a few tracks which sound good, i love 'Pet Sounds', but i'm wary of the hype. ...is it for me then?? Depeche Mode - Singles 81/85-86-98 - I'm not really a massive fan of these reformed rock pigs but what electropop giants, and what grrrrrreat pop singles ...and Martin Gore has such as way with a chord/melody which only listening back to ver Mode, do I realise that he has infected me as a writer! And surely the only 80s band who can rival Wire for twisted, subversive pop singles are Depeche Mode? sorry tim, but i'm with Mr.Rowland on this one. apart from 'Everything Counts', which really only appealed to my politics anyway. regards, ian.s.j. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:23:56 +0100 From: Tim Robinson Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Another the lister Tim wrote > > ACR - Must thank Ian for helping to rekindle my enjoyment of this > marvellous band (A comp of The Fox/Flight/Shack-Up/Knife Slits Water > etc...all essential listen for Our Swimmers!) Ian wrote: > > thanks tim, i'm really pleased about this, your emails have done the same > for me, > i've been playing all the old stuff again, what was the name of the 4th lp? > the one after 'I'd Like To See You Aagain' ? i even had that on tape for a > while. I presume you mean Force which was the next Studio LP. It was a bit too smooth but had its moments and I think the CD includes Si Firmo O Grido which was their brazillian street-samba epic that closed their 90s gigs. A bit overproduced but so was Ideal Copy and A Bell is A cup from the same era...it was the 80s after all. . But between then was the Old & The New compliation (good starting point for listees maybe?) and the Live in America LP captures them on good form, revisiting their past while also finding the Mickey Way! > The Avalanches - Since I Left You LP. one of those records that is too > nice, like Pet Sounds....use sparingly! > > is this a recommendation?? i'm interested in this one, i've heard a few > tracks > which sound good, i love 'Pet Sounds', but i'm wary of the hype. > ....is it for me then?? Yes its a recommendation and yes I think you will love it..... > > r! And surely the only 80s band who can rival > Wire for twisted, subversive pop singles are Depeche Mode? > > sorry tim, but i'm with Mr.Rowland on this one. > apart from 'Everything Counts', which really only appealed to my politics > anyway. Oh, OK! I Don't know what Graeme said so I'll have to wait for the next digest to come through.....! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:26:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] radio 2 - don't crash On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Andrew Lumbard wrote: > An hour later, Robyn Hitchcock was suposed to be on but wasn't so he played > the Vera Lynn song (don't know the title). That's a good joke: the song in question is "The Yip Song," and Robyn sings "yip" about 7,000 times in it. Not sure how it could possible be titled anything else... Yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I can bellow like a clown school drill instructor:: __Brian Block__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:34:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] All Tomorrow's Pus-Ridden Pig Sties Bravo! A prime piece of venomous invective! And, it appears, what the pea-brained earwig deserved. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. ::I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! __"raus"__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:04:39 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re:Sun Blindness Music > Subject: [idealcopy] Re:Sun Blindness Music > > > > Does anyone know anything about it > > Archival material from the Early Minimalism Outside The Dream > Syndicate New > York Period. > Languished in Tony Conrad's Basement forever. > See this month's wire for more detail. > > V. exciting to these ears, tho I have theis small grain of cynacism about > replacing LaMont Young's revisionist history with Tony Conrad's. Wasn't Conrad playing with Cale and Young together then? I have to admit that I do admire and appreciate Cale's avant-garde minimalistic ventures in the 60's. These works had great influence on the sound and content of the Velvets' music and lots of things that happened after the Velvets. Judging from a brief listen I had to the Dream Academy CD a year ago, I can't say it gave me any musical pleasure - just a drone going on and on and on. I hope these recordings are more, how shall I say this - musical? > Cale is my hero throughout. Even his worst recordings have some redeeming > qualities (well I haven't found any Words for the Dying yet - but > it *could* > happen) Words For the Dying is not THAT bad (though it does have a boys choir in it). You should try Cale's last 'songs' album, whose name I forgot, to really acquaint yourself with Cale's worst. Best comparison I could come up with (and I am a devout Cale fan, don't mistake me) is Phil Collins. cheers, giluz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:13:21 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Techno crowds > But what is it with techno > crowds? Why do they all shuffle about like sheep and > dance so badly? Techno crowds are people that used to be into a very high-bpm type of naff dance music (i.e. Trance) when they were younger. As they reach their 30's, and cannot afford the energy and fitness to jump all night to a 160 bpm, they compromise with doing it to a slower beat - and that's why they dance so horribly. The sheep related behaviour is not really a result of the music - it's probably something they ate. giluz, a 30-something that was never into trance music, but still insists on dancing horribly to Techno music. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #114 *******************************