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idealcopy-digest Tuesday, April 3 2001 Volume 04 : Number 100
Today's Subjects:
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[idealcopy] RE:OT Cabaret Voltaire ["Wilson, Paul"
]
RE: [idealcopy] mark prindle ["giluz" ]
[idealcopy] RE: Punks disobey rules ["giluz" ]
RE: [idealcopy] OT - Questions and trivia about different threads... ["gi]
RE: [idealcopy] mark prindle [PaulRabjohn@aol.com]
[idealcopy] no gondolas [PaulRabjohn@aol.com]
Re: [idealcopy] One Last Laugh (Tomorrow We Die) [MarkBursa@aol.com]
Re: [idealcopy] Ballet Sham Killed Punky Oatey [MarkBursa@aol.com]
Re: [idealcopy] OT: Music Gone Sci-Fi [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ]
[idealcopy] Re:babs ["ray\)\(o\)\(mac" ]
[idealcopy] Re:4:33 ["ray\)\(o\)\(mac" ]
[idealcopy] OT - Joy Division [Wireviews ]
[idealcopy] mark prindle/Wire buyer's guide [Wireviews ]
Re: [idealcopy] Re:4:33 [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ]
[idealcopy] Re:Collapsing the New Math ["ray\)\(o\)\(mac" ]
Re: [idealcopy] OT - Joy Division [MarkBursa@aol.com]
Re: [idealcopy] Advantage in Exile [MarkBursa@aol.com]
Re: [idealcopy] OT - Questions and trivia about different threads... [Mar]
Re: [idealcopy] mark prindle/Wire buyer's guide [PaulRabjohn@aol.com]
Re: [idealcopy] OT: Music Gone Sci-Fi ["Ian B" ]
[idealcopy] [semi-OT] Guided By Voices [Paul Pietromonaco ]
[idealcopy] re: SciFi, or, Dr. Doolittle, updated [ot] [MrSodium@aol.com]
RE: [idealcopy] mark prindle/Wire buyer's guide ["giluz"
Subject: [idealcopy] RE:OT Cabaret Voltaire
It's difficult to know what to recommend. It depends on what sort of stuff
you like. Personally, my favourite is "Voice of America". But, for a good
introduction, "Living Legends" is a good compilation, as is the double CD
"Listen Up With..." (although this one is a bit 'harder' to 'get into').
I prefer the earlier work, but one to listen to is "Yashar" - there are two
excellent versions of the dance track on the Mute CD Single "Nag Nag Nag".
Also worth a look at is the video they did on Doublevision. I think this is
still available from Mute.
By the way, most of the Mute stuff is pretty good value for money (mid-price
stuff).
rezmole
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:50:50 +0200
From: "giluz"
Subject: RE: [idealcopy] mark prindle
> this months wireviews has a link to a page-worth of wire reviews
> from this
> guy. as a coda to the debate on "manscape" in recent weeks , he
> describes it
> as "phil collins on heroin".
As opposed to Phil Collins on Cocaine, which is what you get on his own solo
albums?
giluz
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:50:29 +0200
From: "giluz"
Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Punks disobey rules
> >>>>A minimal set of no more than 2-3 chords per song;
>
> 'Ex Lion Tamer' was not punk. Find one punk band who
> actually stuck to that rule!
Does it really matter? I mean, you're right - you certainly caught me out of
my depth here, but when I come to think of it, in almost every other
artistic genre there are more exceptions to the patterns than people who
actually do things 'by the rules'. It doesn't really matter because the
rules are part of the punk myth. What people think about something is more
important than what actually happened, in the sense that this is what they
react to and not the 'real' situation.
> >>>>(rhythm)guitar based music;
>
> Or noise as some would have it!
Maybe the only rule that trully existed.
> >>>>All of these are actually defined relating to
> prog-rock
>
> I don't think The Damned, for example, sat down and
> defined themselves in relation to anything. They just
> did it! Stooges covers included...
> Punk was not entirely reactionary. Certainly more punk
> bands (Buzzcocks, Banshees, Warsaw, Slits, etc.) were
> inspired by hearing other punk bands (most often the
> Pistols) than as a reaction against anything. Boredom
> was well documented as a motivator! Defining what they
> were against came later.
Where did the boredom come from then? It wasn't like the music scene of the
mid-70's was fascinating and interesting. I know that lots of the reasons
for the boredom were political-social, and weren't directly related to
music, but most of these people wanted to make music, not paint or write
novels. So they might have defined what they were against later, but they
just put to words what they already did musically. They didn't operate in a
vaccum.
Maybe you think that when I was talking about rules, I was referring to some
manifesto or an oral set of codes being secretly transferred from band to
band in the murky depths of the marqee (naff pun not intentional, sorry). I
was just trying to organise in words an unconscious attitude shared by punk
musicians. I guess you all agree that there was something common to all
those bands. Does it amount to just the 'anything goes' attitude or was
there anything more concrete?
> To me, this stuff isn't punk. I guess this is our
> fundamental disagreement. Style over content was
> always a bore!
I don't think it's punk either - but the fact that it has stylistical
similarities to punk forces the 'true' punk to go look for different styles.
You can't have a 'real' punk band doing Green Day stuff - right?
>
> >>>>Corporations had to ignore the ideological aspect
> of punk because it
> was so threatening, and accept the genristic aspect of
> it 'cause it sold so
> well.
>
> I don't think those in slow dinosaur corporations
> think so deeply about punk that they'd even realise
> there was an idea! Hence the Pistols getting EMI and
> A&M so confused they paid them to go away! Harvest
> didn't seem interested in Wire's artistic ideas - here
> come the weirdos, give 'em some money and they'll go
> away. Wire sold so well they got dropped!
That's what always happens with record companies: The first phase of a new
style/genre is always the best and only time where completely uncommercial
artists could be signed to major record companies. They're signed not
because the record executives think they're good or understand their music.
It's a hype thing and this company should have several artists operating in
this genre. Very fast, they realise the extent of the mistake they did and
get rid of those uncommercial artists. Another phase usually happens years
later, when you have record executives who actually used to be fans of that
same (now changed without recognition if not dead) genre: That's when the
real cooptation happens, when record companies sign artists and label and
market them as 'punk' for example, in the case of Green Day.
> I agree that Cutler's 'File Under Popular' presented
> an interesting perspective, but it was also highly
> personal and too reductionist (after all, no one can
> listen to everything). One always has to remember that
> Cutler abhors repetition in music, which rather limits
> the appeal of anything sticking to the 'punk rock
> musical genre' rules. Cutler saw punk as a glitch with
> little relevance to progression in music and I think
> this is partly because he failed to entertain it as an
> idea as opposed to a genre.
Cutler said lots of nonsense, but it's always interesting nonsense. In the
80's for example, he prophesised that the upcoming digital revolution is
gonna isolate the musicians and turn music from being a collective
experience into an individual narcisistic experience. I'm not saying that
some of this never happened, but electronic artists do have the need to
collaborate with others and to perform in front of audiences. Music and the
way we make it are too basic and too primal to our social existence to
change so drastically just because of technology.
cheers,
giluz
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:52:23 +0200
From: "giluz"
Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT - Questions and trivia about different threads...
> -Since I know about 2 people who have actually heard
> of Joy Division, I don't have much to go on, but were
> they actually considered a punk band??? They seemed
> way too moody and atmospheric to fit that genre. Kind
> of like lumping JG Ballard writing with sword and
> sorcery SF.
I quite agree with the Ballard comparison, but where did the sword and
sorcery come from? There's something very surreal in Joy Division (Ballard),
but also a strong sense of urban realism.
> -My personal opinion is that King Crimson stopped
> being a "progressive/Prog" band when they reformed in
> the early 80's. At that point they were producing more
> powerful energy (live, at least) than alot of
> punk/metal bands will ever muster.
True, but they still had a certain kind of prog-rock attitude. KC never
simply rocked. They always did something else, very complicated musically.
What made them so great is the fact that they did these prog-rock things and
also rocked (what Fripp once described as music for the feet and for the
head).
giluz
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 06:05:55 EDT
From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com
Subject: RE: [idealcopy] mark prindle
....i might have guessed mogadon was phil collins drug of choice. or night nurse? p
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 06:59:40 EDT
From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com
Subject: [idealcopy] no gondolas
i have dug into this a little and it appears wire will not be playing at the venice biennale as previously advised. seems like crossed wires etc (pardon the pun). shame as i had great visions of being punted around the canals in an "idealcopy" gondola with a ghetto blaster blaring out something suitable. but sadly this now appears unlikely.
.......wonder if this whitechapel gallery thing involves a live performance or just soundtracking an installation? here's hoping.p
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 07:50:23 EDT
From: MarkBursa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] One Last Laugh (Tomorrow We Die)
Graeme,
<< Another good bit of Coleman negative showbiz was on
some late night video jukebox jury type affair.
Participants were able to stop a video by leaping up
and pushing a button. Of course dear ol' Jaz stopped
every single one almost immediately and had a huge
amount of vitriol for the Blue Aeroplanes in
particular. >>
C4's Night Network. First all-night TV we'd had in the UK, late '80s.
Astonishingly had Mark E Smith on as a guest once. Stopped one video
immediately because "the bass player had a pony tail".
Saw Blue Aeroplanes once - too many people in the band, including a Bez-style
dancer.
Mark
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 08:18:18 EDT
From: MarkBursa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ballet Sham Killed Punky Oatey
I saw Jimmy Pursey about 6 months ago, doing his shopping in Waitrose
(Weybridge branch)...just a couple of miles from 'Ersham. Failed to check
footwear/trouserine for lace up boots & corduroys unfortunately. Apparently
he's rude to the staff if they don't recognise him. That's what the check-out
girl who pointed him out to me said.
Mark
<< > > Punk was dead when Sham 'singer' Jimmy Pursey did the
> > most inept ballet ever seen on TV.
> > It laughed itself to death.
> >
> Would that be the one to The Stranglers' Meninblack?
>
>
> //////// sadly , yes. it got shown again recently on one of these endless
> "top 10" shows they use to fill up saturday night tv cheaply. exceedingly
> poor , even by jimy p's standards. his 2 solo albums used to fill every
> dump bin in the british isles for about 25p a go. but no , i never was
> quite that curious.p
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:33:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Music Gone Sci-Fi
On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 voyteck@webtv.net wrote:
> 'sampled' and applied. Interestingly, I heard of someone a few years ago
> who went into the jungles with a sound sampler to record animal (&
> insect?) sounds for a record project. Did, whoever this person was / is,
> simply overdub in recording the jungle sounds, or was it digitally
> precise intro-outro editing / mixing, as to which he could insert /
> excerpt samples (juxtapositioning) at will as to what sounded best? If
> anyone knows about this "jungle sampler", please post info (he may also
> have done a similar "city sounds" sampler). Reading recent posts
Isn't this Coldcut? There have been at least two records composed entirely
of sampled animal noises - one that came out a few years back whose name I
can't recall, and one that came out on Ralph Records (I think) by Big City
Orchestra, I think called _Animal Religion_ or something like that. Scares
my cat.
> Tomita - 'The Planets' (sci-fi "communications")
Uh...isn't this just a version of Holst's orchestral suite done up with
cheesy synths? There's nothing particularly "sci-fi" about it - unless
"planets" are "sci-fi" in themselves, or synths are.
- --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:58:33 EDT
From: MarkBursa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] no gondolas
In a message dated 4/2/2001 12:10:36 PM GMT Daylight Time,
PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes:
<< i have dug into this a little and it appears wire will not be playing at
the venice biennale as previously advised. seems like crossed wires etc
(pardon the pun). shame as i had great visions of being punted around the
canals in an "idealcopy" gondola with a ghetto blaster blaring out something
suitable. but sadly this now appears unlikely.<<
I was in Las Vegas recently where an Ideal Copy Venice has been create. It's
called the Venetian Hotel and Casino (tm) and has full-size replicas of the
Doge's Palace, Rialto bridge etc...all in the wrong orientation but hey! The
Rialto bridge has an authentic 15th century trav-o-lator qhich takes you to
the Grand Canal shopping mall. Nice restaurant in St Mark's square. They have
gondolas too, taking Japanese tourists down the "canal", which has a blue
bottom like a swimming pool.
Maybe Wire should play there instead. It definitely qualifies as the gambling
museum.
>> .......wonder if this whitechapel gallery thing involves a live
performance or just soundtracking an installation? here's hoping.p >>
Me too. I would probably have gone to the Venice thing too as EasyJet fly
there for $30.
Mark
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:40:20 +0200
From: "giluz"
Subject: RE: [idealcopy] no gondolas
> i have dug into this a little and it appears wire will not be
> playing at the venice biennale as previously advised. seems like
> crossed wires etc (pardon the pun). shame as i had great visions
> of being punted around the canals in an "idealcopy" gondola with
> a ghetto blaster blaring out something suitable. but sadly this
> now appears unlikely.
Hehehe - just imagine those Italian gondola guys singing a romantic version
of 12XU.
giluz
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:16:46 -0500
From: "ray\)\(o\)\(mac"
Subject: [idealcopy] Re:babs
Barabara and Other Musical Instruments was the album she recorded with
Orchestra and Kitchen Appliances.
I seem to remember Maxwell Anderson's hand in there somwhere, but it is not
on my shelves at this time ^_^
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:26:26 -0500
From: "ray\)\(o\)\(mac"
Subject: [idealcopy] Re:4:33
being pedantic again:
4:33 is not about the performer doing nothing
that semi-famous story 'bout david tudor (btw - does anyone know if it is
true or mythic?) obscures the point that the structure of the piece is
whateveer non-deliberate sounds occur in the proscribed time period
it is extremely math-based in that the *only* compositional component is the
duration
the performer is entirely superfluous
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:31:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Wireviews
Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Joy Division
"Since I know about 2 people who have actually heard
of Joy Division, I don't have much to go on, but were
they actually considered a punk band???"
Pre-Joy Division = Warsaw, which was punkier, but
still not really "traditional" punk. I wouldn't lump
Joy Division in with punk at all. If anything, their
music is more similar to '80s dance music than
anything else, albeit with a gloomier stance. Think
New Order - technology + more guitars * miserable
"someone stole my sandwiches type day".
Craig.
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:35:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Wireviews
Subject: [idealcopy] mark prindle/Wire buyer's guide
Paul Rabjohn wrote:
" this months wireviews has a link to a page-worth of
wire reviews from this guy. as a coda to the debate on
"manscape" in recent weeks , he
describes it as "phil collins on heroin". meanwhile
154 is a goth album and "the ideal copy" is likened to
INXS. er , what can you say?"
To be honest, I can't say I really agree with (m)any
of the reviews and I'm not particularly endeared to
the writing style. However, it'd be somewhat
superfluous adding my comments, what with editing a
site with lots of Wire reviews already! :-)
Mind you, Paul, didn't anyone tell you: "everything
after 154 sucks" :-)
Craig.
PS: if anyone on this list can help out with the
fledgeling buyer's guide on my site (off-list,
obviously) then it'd be much appreciated...
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:18:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rick Hindman
Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT - Questions and trivia about different threads...
> I quite agree with the Ballard comparison, but where
> did the sword and
> sorcery come from? There's something very surreal in
> Joy Division (Ballard),
> but also a strong sense of urban realism.
Perhaps it's a bad analogy, but I was imagining
Ballard/JD vs most punk/Conan-style search and destroy
SF books. They are worlds apart, but tend to end up on
the same shelf in alot of bookstores around here.
> True, but they still had a certain kind of prog-rock
> attitude. KC never
> simply rocked. They always did something else, very
> complicated musically.
> What made them so great is the fact that they did
> these prog-rock things and
> also rocked (what Fripp once described as music for
> the feet and for the
> head).
I can see that point. In terms of how they do the
interlocking guitar parts, use odd time signatures,
and chording is certainly in the spirit that lead alot
of prog bands away from standard pop song structures
in the 60's/70's.
Writing that bit reminded me of a moment at one of
their Nashville rehearsals last May. During a quieter
passage in one song, Adrian Belew chuckled in his mike
and said something like "I just love watching people
try to dance in 9/15 time!"
I guess they showed their true colors that night!
Hasta,
RJH
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:19:50 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?=
Subject: [idealcopy] Advantage in Exile
Looking at the lyrics on 'The Wire Page' I found the
word 'Terraze' in the song 'Advantage In Height'.
Is this an archaic word?
What is a Terraze?
Could the line in question actually be 'To erase, wipe
out'?
"A brief Bombay, Colosseus encounter" could be
"A big Bombay Colossus encounter"
Should be a 'Bee Driver'.
"Two men in white"?
I always sang "To men in white"!
Its a tricky one!
Ally In Exile / d+e
"Receives no welcome despite" should be
"Receives an unwelcome dispatch" I think...
Comments please!
Graeme
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:44:28 +0100
From: "Stephen Jackson"
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Advantage in Exile
>What is a Terraze?
>Could the line in question actually be 'To erase, wipe
>out'?
Dunno, but that's what it says in the lyric book....your interpretation
seems to make more sense....
>"Two men in white"?
>I always sang "To men in white"!
>Its a tricky one!
Nah, two men..the Pope and errr the other one....the Bombay colosseus?
>"Receives no welcome despite" should be
>"Receives an unwelcome dispatch" I think...
>
Definitely. I said so myself about 2 years ago ;-P
Steve.
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:05:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:4:33
On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, ray)(o)(mac wrote:
> being pedantic again:
> 4:33 is not about the performer doing nothing
I see your pedanticism and raise it: I didn't say it was *about* that; I
only said that's what the performer does. The rest of my post should make
clear that I agree with you that:
> the structure of the piece is whatever non-deliberate sounds occur in
> the proscribed time period...
such as the sounds in the room, noise from outside, nervous coughing and
shuffling, etc.
However, when you say...
> it is extremely math-based in that the *only* compositional component is
> the duration...
I again disagree, because there's nothing "math-based" about a particular
duration. We happen to measure and subdivide time numerically; one doesn't
have to (other cultures don't - they might denote duration by the length
of common tasks or time of day or season by certain natural events). Just
because it has numbers involved doesn't mean it's math.
Is "1 2 X U" math, then? ;)
- --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey
J e f f r e y N o r m a n
The Architectural Dance Society
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:: this is nothing new," said the priest.
np: The Fall _This Nation's Saving Grace_
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:04:41 -0500
From: "ray\)\(o\)\(mac"
Subject: [idealcopy] Re:Collapsing the New Math
> Every Wire fan should have a Neubauten disc or seven.
agreed
the band who single-handedly redefined "Heavy Metal"
I saw Neubauten open for JG Thrillwell in a church in Kansas City some
years back
Einheit sliced his leg open junping around in a contact-mic-ed shopping cart
and required some 20 stitches,
but not before they finished the set
Mr. Thrillwell was very pale by comparison and I lost what limited
enthusiasm I had held after seeing his 'performance' in that light.
A tough act to follow indeed.
> I met my wife at a Neubauten gig.
I met mine at the Smart Bar in Chicago, but we danced to the 12" remix of
CV's Yashar to keep that thread alive.
I spent months looking for that tune not realizing it was the Cabs.
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:23:43 EDT
From: MarkBursa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:4:33
In a message dated 4/2/2001 5:39:10 PM GMT Daylight Time, dmack2002@yahoo.com
writes:
<< being pedantic again:
4:33 is not about the performer doing nothing
that semi-famous story 'bout david tudor (btw - does anyone know if it is
true or mythic?) obscures the point that the structure of the piece is
whateveer non-deliberate sounds occur in the proscribed time period
it is extremely math-based in that the *only* compositional component is the
duration
the performer is entirely superfluous >>
Being hugely pedantic....
The performer IS involved. The piece is in three movements, which are
signalled by the performer. (It is a piano piece). Part way through the third
movement the performer has to close the piano lid. I'll check the recording I
have for the exact timings if you like.
Cage's joke is that 4'33'' has to be performed by a proper classically
trained musician as part of an orchestral concert programme. The performer
should be in evening dress, and has to physically not play the piano. Most
people think it is just a recording of nothing. Far from it!
Mark
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:29:47 -0500
From: "ray\)\(o\)\(mac"
Subject: [idealcopy] Re:4'33''
I stand corrected:
http://www.azstarnet.com/~solo/4min33se.htm#3.%20Description%20of%20a
for more detail
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:29:24 EDT
From: MarkBursa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Joy Division
Craig,
<< Pre-Joy Division = Warsaw, which was punkier, but
still not really "traditional" punk.<<
Totally punk IMO. Almost heavy metal (eg Novelty), but if you check out
Warsaw's contribution to "Short Circuit" next to that of the Drones on the
same album there's not a lot in it!
>> I wouldn't lump Joy Division in with punk at all.<<
Really something else entirely. But Wire circa 154 are definitely in the same
area, only more detached. What separated JD was the raw emotion that other
"gloom" bands of the time lacked...
>> If anything, their music is more similar to '80s dance music than
anything else, albeit with a gloomier stance. <<
Only towards the end. Though NO did pretty much invent 80s dance music, once
the technology caught up with them!
>>Think New Order - technology + more guitars * miserable
"someone stole my sandwiches type day". >>
For some of us it meant a bit more than that ;-)
Mark
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:36:01 EDT
From: MarkBursa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Advantage in Exile
Graeme,
>>What is a Terraze?
Could the line in question actually be 'To erase, wipe
out'?<<
Therese?
<< "Two men in white"?
I always sang "To men in white"!
Its a tricky one!<<
I always assumed it said "Do men in white have an advantage in height?" Fits
the pope vs Bombay colossus theme.
>>Ally In Exile / d+e
"Receives no welcome despite" should be
"Receives an unwelcome dispatch" I think... >>
"An ally in exile - Receives an urgent dispatch" according to Colin's lyric
sheet from Edinburgh! But it could have been changed since D&E
Mark
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:38:27 EDT
From: MarkBursa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Questions and trivia about different threads...
Rick,
<< I can see that point. In terms of how they do the
interlocking guitar parts, use odd time signatures,
and chording is certainly in the spirit that lead alot
of prog bands away from standard pop song structures
in the 60's/70's. >>
Probably why I don't like them!
Mark
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:43:09 EDT
From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] mark prindle/Wire buyer's guide
In a message dated 02/04/01 17:45:39 GMT Daylight Time, wireviews@yahoo.com
writes:
> PS: if anyone on this list can help out with the
> fledgeling buyer's guide on my site (off-list,
> obviously) then it'd be much appreciated...
>
> /////// just to say something i saw today on ebay. 2 different people have
> put up "154 test pressings". one has started the bidding at $69 and the
> other $3.50. now what's one worth........?
must say test pressings are one of those things i can't get worked up about.
like cassettes. does anyone collect cassettes? still wish i'd got that
8-track though.p
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:19:32 +0100
From: "Ian B"
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Music Gone Sci-Fi
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey
> Isn't this Coldcut? There have been at least two records composed entirely
> of sampled animal noises - one that came out a few years back whose name I
> can't recall, and one that came out on Ralph Records (I think) by Big City
> Orchestra, I think called _Animal Religion_ or something like that. Scares
> my cat.
>
There are a couple of Coldcut / Hexstatic tracks/videos, Natural Rhythm and
Timber, where the sounds and visuals are made up almost exclusively of
animal and logging sounds respectively. The former are culled from natural
history programmes rather than from direct field recordings.
Also (and I don't know because I've never heard it) was Nurse With Wound's
'Insect and Individual Silenced' album made up of magnified insect sounds?
Or am I thinking of some recording project by SPK's Graeme Revell?
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:59:21 -0700
From: Paul Pietromonaco
Subject: [idealcopy] [semi-OT] Guided By Voices
Hi everyone,
I went to see Guided By Voices last Friday night at the Showbox
theater here in Seattle. A really amazing show, and I'm glad I went,
even though I was sick as a dog the next morning. (Stay away eating
pasta late at night after drinking many "Seven & Sevens". (^_^) ) They
played over two hours of classic and brand new Guided By Voices songs,
and the energy was tremendous. (That, and since Jack Daniels was
banned on the Seattle stage due to an incident involving the band last
year, they were largely sober this year. (^_^))
That was the Semi-Off Topic part of the e-mail. Here's the
semi-on topic part: As has been mentioned on this mailing list a
number of times, the lead singer of Guided By Voices, Robert Pollard,
is a Wire fan. One of the songs on a solo album of his, "Subspace
Biographies", sounds for all of the world like a Wire out-take.
Well, even though it was a Guided By Voices show, and not a
Robert Pollard solo show, they played "Subspace Biographies".
I thought of all of you listmembers at that point. (^_^)
Cheers,
Paul
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Brain: "Pinky, Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?"
Pinky: "I think so Brain, but can the gummy worms
really live in peace with the marshmallow
chips?"
Paul Pietromonaco
Test Engineer - Reflection X
WRQ, Inc.
E-Mail: paulp@wrq.com
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:20:15 EDT
From: MrSodium@aol.com
Subject: [idealcopy] re: SciFi, or, Dr. Doolittle, updated [ot]
>I heard of someone a few years ago
> who went into the jungles with a sound sampler to record animal (&
> insect?) sounds for a record project. Did, whoever this person was / is,
> simply overdub in recording the jungle sounds, or was it digitally
> precise intro-outro editing / mixing, as to which he could insert /
> excerpt samples (juxtapositioning) at will as to what sounded best? If
> anyone knows about this "jungle sampler", please post info
The first one of these that I know about is "Gorillas in the Mix," by Bernie
Krause from 1988. Here is some of what the Rykodisc website says about it:
Krause, who travels the world gathering natural sounds, delved into his
massive library of material to compose and produce GORILLAS IN THE MIX.
Every sound on GORILLAS IN THE MIX has been created from the voices of
animals and the natural environment. The album is dedicated to the memory of
Francisco (Chico) Mendes Filho, who was murdered in December 1988 while
working to save the Brazilian rainforest. Go to
http://www.rykodisc.com/Catalog/dump/rykoalbums_305.asp for more info.
Most of the sounds are heavily gated, processed and generally "monkeyed"
around with. (Sorry, couldn't resist).
I don't mind a car hitting me, but I do mind a driver trying to hit me.
MrNa
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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:52:21 +0200
From: "giluz"
Subject: RE: [idealcopy] mark prindle/Wire buyer's guide
> Mind you, Paul, didn't anyone tell you: "everything
> after 154 sucks" :-)
That's "Everything after Pink Flag sucks" (and some say that even before).
giluz
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