From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #78 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, March 15 2001 Volume 04 : Number 078 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V4 #77 ["Wilson, Paul" ] Re: [idealcopy] IBTA Radio One A [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] Eardrum Buzz & American Radio ["Ciscon, Ray" ] Re: [idealcopy] IBTA Radio One A [John Roberts ] Re: [idealcopy] IBTA Radio One A [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] IBTA Radio One A [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] IBTA Radio One A [John Roberts ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:52:00 -0000 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V4 #77 Anyone going to see Nick Cave - in Manchester (UK)? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:21:57 +0000 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V4 #77 I've had it with Nick Cave. He's been on a slow downward spiral since Murder Ballards. #23 (or thereabouts) for a ticket for Brixton is too much. Who does he think he is Elton John? The last decent gig was on the Murder Ballards tour. The Boatman's Call gigs and the "Love Song Lecture" were pretty dull. But enjoy it!!! :-) C "Wilson, Paul" on 14/03/2001 09:52:00 To: "'idealcopy@smoe.org'" cc: (bcc: Chris Ray/IT/MEDAS) Subject: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V4 #77 Anyone going to see Nick Cave - in Manchester (UK)? The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 02:29:01 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] IBTA Radio One A " I've not heard IBTABA, but I can't understand why it would have sold more than say, "ABIACUIIS", when half of it consists of live versions of tracks on that album (and not necessarily the most obvious ones at that)" Well, they're not live versions. The only thing left from the live performance is the drums (and maybe a few bits and pieces of guitar. IBTABA is a variable album, but is probably a better listen than Bell. Maybe (for once) this actually meant more sales, at least in the USA... ", and another quarter of it is "Illuminated" which is one of the least best Wire tracks ever." I think that track is one of the main reasons for getting IBTABA, but each to their own :) "As for Simon Bates playing "Eardrum Buzz", what a star !!! - - The only question is; how would anyone on this list have been listening to Bates' R1 show" Well, Radio 1 wasn't quite as shite in those days as it is now... C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 06:11:08 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IBTA Radio One A Craig, << IBTABA is a variable album, but is probably a better listen than Bell. >> Agreed that it's patchy - don't agree it's better than ABIAC... that's the only 80s Wire album that actually hangs together as a whole for me.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:44:26 -0600 From: "Ciscon, Ray" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Eardrum Buzz & American Radio Craig wrote: "As for Simon Bates playing "Eardrum Buzz", what a star !!! - - The only question is; how would anyone on this list have been listening to Bates' R1 show" ============= The first Wire song I ever heard was "Eardrum Buzz". It was getting relatively good play on Chicago's WXRT. I remember hearing about the last 2/3rds of the song and thinking that the sound was an excellent approximation of the way I feel upon leaving a very LOUD concert. That ears numb, world not quite stable, altered state I find quite appealing after a concert (Mind you, I don't use illicit drugs or drink in excess, so my altered state is caused purely by the concert). Low and behold, when the song was finished, the DJ, I think it was Bobby Skafish, described almost the exact same feeling! Over the next couple of weeks I heard it again, fell in love with the songs ability to 'take me someplace else' (a common feature with most Wire compositions, and one of the reasons I regard them so highly). I bought the IBTABA CD and since then I've been infected with 'Wire in Ear' disease. I subsequently brought the CD into work and I know that at least 2 of my co-workers liked the album and purchased their own copies. My guess is that the Informations Systems department of the Palos Community Hospital caused a small spike in IBTABA sales that contributed to it's charting as well as it did. Cheers, Ray ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:09:21 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IBTA Radio One A Craig, << I agree that Bell is the most "whole" '80s Wire album, but I also find it a bit dull, with few things that stand out -- I think it was overproduced as the live versions of the material are pretty good from the boots I've heard... >> I'd agree with you there - for the definitive '80s Wire sound you're best off with a good live recording. I've said it before - London Astoria '88 takes some beating. The studio recordings suffer from a surfeit of technology (sequenced drums etc). Doesn't look like they're making the same mistake this time ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:01:33 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: [ideal copy] IBTA Radio One A For the best 80s wire is Ideal Copy. I hangs together perfectly well and, I think, flows very well (I would compare it to 154 in that way). I am drawn to ABIAC many for standouts like "It's a boy", "Kidney Bingos", and "Finest Drops" but I do find the album to be more inconsistent. ABIAC is mostly attractive for it's package, the artwork of which stood out so clearly at the time, and even now Eric - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of MarkBursa@aol.com Sent: March 14, 2001 6:11 AM To: wireviews@yahoo.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IBTA Radio One A Craig, << IBTABA is a variable album, but is probably a better listen than Bell. >> Agreed that it's patchy - don't agree it's better than ABIAC... that's the only 80s Wire album that actually hangs together as a whole for me.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:26:32 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: chris wire play list - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of CHRISWIRE@aol.com Sent: March 13, 2001 2:47 PM To: Frank.Woerner@nbg.sbs.de; CHRISWIRE@aol.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] OT David Sylvian Radiohead -Kid A (Superb) Severed Heads - Clifford Darling Don't Live In The Past (Absolute Joy !) Chris - ----------------------------------------------------- I am so happy that others listen to severed heads. I always feel so alone when it comes to that band. I have fond memories of overhearing an interview after a concert with Tom Ellard pissed and taking the piss out of an interviewer for calling SH an "Industrial Band". It's interesting the Kid A is on there as well because from the first time I heard "Idioteque" it made me think of SH songs like "Halo" and "Propellor". All this being said, I would like to add my bit to the argument about "current spins" postings. I like them a lot as it sends me back into my collection to listen to stuff that I haven't listened to in a long time. The only frustration is having stuff listed that I only have on vinyl. Poor me, no turntable anymore. In that vein, Chris do you (or anyone) know if B Nelson's Vistamix is available on CD? Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:21:46 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IBTA Radio One A No no no no. How can you all say that IBTABA is better than ABIAC? Clean your ears out at once. I always looked at IBTABA as a second wave version of D&E. I got the feeling that things were running out of steam when they released this. I also thought that they were being deliberately contrary with this. They must have foreseen that Eardrum Buzz was potentially their most commercially viable product for a long time. IBTABA was a way of pissing off both any potential new audience who had bought the album on the strength of the single and their record company at the time - who I suspect would have liked an album more in the vein of E Buzz. I was working for the Cartel when this album came out and it was scaled out to all kinds of major high street stores inc. W H Smiths and Woolies I think. I daresay that each and every copy ended up either in a bargain bin or were returned to Rough Trade warehouse. John - --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Craig, > > << I agree that Bell is the most "whole" '80s Wire > album, > but I also find it a bit dull, with few things that > stand out -- I think it was overproduced as the > live > versions of the material are pretty good from the > boots I've heard... >> > > I'd agree with you there - for the definitive '80s > Wire sound you're best off > with a good live recording. I've said it before - > London Astoria '88 takes > some beating. The studio recordings suffer from a > surfeit of technology > (sequenced drums etc). Doesn't look like they're > making the same mistake this > time ;-) > > Mark Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:27:43 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] There Are (Poets at Work Again) Ian asked >>>>I found the section on The Haring concerning the horse and rider who leap to their deaths from a railway bridge an interesting companion piece. Was the recurring theme of horse/railway/train/death intentional or coincidental? I'd guess it was very unlikely to be coincidence. One of my favourite Bruce lyrics / poems is the one he reads for the opening section of 'There Are' (which incidentally is incorrectly listed as an instrumental on Andrew's Wire Page). Since many of you will have the Cd compilation of 'This Way To The Shivering Man' which omits it, here it is for your perusal and joy! Who knows, it might just make you curious enough to check out the original vinyl edition... Pale and thin, there are angels floating on the water Their pockets are filled with deliverance Printed on the finest bank note paper Weighted down by their holy scriptures The choir dive for oysters Its progress underwater recorded by a column of pearls And there, there are winter men squeezing the light And the princes paint forgeries ('There Are', Bruce Gilbert / The Shivering Man) I think 'winter men squeezing the light' is one of his most resonant images. Spanish squids scratching? Graeme ===== Cracked Machine webzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:32:09 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IBTA Radio One A John, << No no no no. How can you all say that IBTABA is better than ABIAC? Clean your ears out at once.>> er...it wasn't me sir it was Gannell wot said it sir >> I always looked at IBTABA as a second wave version of D&E. I got the feeling that things were running out of steam when they released this. I also thought that they were being deliberately contrary with this. They must have foreseen that Eardrum Buzz was potentially their most commercially viable product for a long time. >> I think it's two ideas. I liked the idea of a live album that wasn't, and IBTABA would have been fine if that's what it had been. But the CD had the two post-ABIAC singles added on (basically the last four "proper" Wire tracks of the time that were worked out live - In Vivo, Eardrum Buzz, The Offer and German Shepherds....pre-Manscape, which was a studio concoction). Love all those four songs more than anything on Manscape or First Letter.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:59:08 -0800 (PST) From: j alberson Subject: [idealcopy] OT okay, here's my play list (sticks tongue out) I'm definitely for the lists (thanks for reminding me of Severed Heads...I'm topping my list off with...) Severed Heads--Rotund For Success Recoil--Hydrology plus 1+2 Wire--Chairs Missing Danielle Dax--Blast the Human Flower Death Cab For Cutie--Something About Aeroplanes Brian Eno--Ambient 4: On Land ta! Jack Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:28:01 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IBTA Radio One A - --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > << No no no no. How can you all say that IBTABA is > better than ABIAC? Clean your ears out at once.>> He didn't. I did and I still stand by that (although I am not counting the extra tracks on the CD...) > er...it wasn't me sir it was Gannell wot said it sir Gannell????!?? > >> I always looked at IBTABA as a second wave > version of > D&E. I got the feeling that things were running > out > of steam when they released this. I also thought > that > they were being deliberately contrary with this. Not really. Sure, EB is very "pop", but then Wire weren't without their pop moments on every other CD they'd done to that point. Kidney Bingos is overtyly pop, albeit less frantic than Buzzzzz. I'm not sure they were running out of steam, although I think they may have been running out of material that they felt they could perform with the beat-combo set-up... > They must have foreseen that Eardrum Buzz was > potentially > their most commercially viable product for a long > time. >> I think post-Bell, Wire had ceased to be a commercially viable entity. EB was probably the most cynical piece of pop ever -- there aren't many who basically slag off the genre in their own record... > concoction). Love all > those four songs more than anything on > Manscape or First Letter.... Well, I still really like TFL and having listened to Bell for the first time in about six months today, I still stand by my original comments of "a bit dull, but quite nice"... IBTABA at least gave Wire one decent piece of production from the '80s too... C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:48:06 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IBTA Radio One A >No no no no. How can you all say that IBTABA is >better than ABIAC? Clean your ears out at once. > Okay - I cleaned out my ears. And, I still like IBTABA better than ABIAC. (^_-) I haven't contributed to this thread yet, but I might as well. My 80's Wire (not Wir) rankings, in order of preference, are The Ideal Copy, IBTABA, ABIAC, The Drill and Manscape. (If we count Wir, I would place The First Letter after ABIAC, but before Drill). I rate TIC, IBTABA and ABIAC very high - the rest less so. The others are still interesting, mind you, just not as "classic" as the first three. >I always looked at IBTABA as a second wave version of >D&E. I got the feeling that things were running out >of steam when they released this. I also thought that >they were being deliberately contrary with this. I never got that impression. To me, IBTABA brought back some of the passion that was missing in ABIAC, and was a very valid release. You know, I used to play IBTABA all the time, and it drove my girlfriend crazy. She preferred ABIAC or TIC. Years later, after we had broken up, and she had married her current husband, we were talking about Wire, and she mentioned that now IBTABA was now one of her favorites. She said something along the lines of "it took me a while to 'get' it - now I can't stop playing it". Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:52:16 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IBTA Radio One A >I think it's two ideas. I liked the idea of a live album that wasn't, and >IBTABA would have been fine if that's what it had been. But the CD had the >two post-ABIAC singles added on (basically the last four "proper" Wire tracks >of the time that were worked out live - In Vivo, Eardrum Buzz, The Offer and >German Shepherds....pre-Manscape, which was a studio concoction). Love all >those four songs more than anything on Manscape or First Letter.... > Uh, no edition of IBTABA that I own has the studio German Shepards on it. That's on the Silk Skin Paws single. The German Shepards on IBTABA is a rework, just like the rest of the album, except for In Vivo, Eardrum Buzz and The Offer. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:09:50 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IBTA Radio One A > I think it's two ideas. I liked the idea of a live > album that wasn't, So typically Wire basically. I mean it is a lot different to D&E in that it is barely new material whereas D&E was. But the guitar in IBTABA is very weak. But this was a weakness of them live at the time I always thought. and > IBTABA would have been fine if that's what it had > been. But the CD had the > two post-ABIAC singles added on (basically the last > four "proper" Wire tracks > of the time that were worked out live - In Vivo, > Eardrum Buzz, The Offer and > German Shepherds....pre-Manscape, which was a studio > concoction). Love all > those four songs more than anything on Manscape or > First Letter.... S'funny you should say that but I've always thought tht those last two tracks could have made very good pop singles. Mind you, so could a lot of Wire songs. John Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 02:12:11 +0000 From: Dr Volume Subject: [idealcopy] Autechre Gilbert Symptoms > ?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Wrote > > Anyone whose faveband is Autechre should check out > Symptoms on Swim > Bruce Gilbert - Insiding Symptoms is a very tasty Post-rock record but I can't see the Autechre comparison at all...the beats are very conventional compared to Ae, and its more of a guitar record. Haven't heard Insiding.....I like Bruce a lot, a lot of the Dome stuff is superb (some Autechre comparisons there especially in the use of tricky beats/melodies) but I'm kind of put off by the Channel 4 Contemporary Darnse angle...is it a good record? > > ......the first time I heard Autechre was a remix of > another Sheffield group called V. It reminded me of > Wire! Actually they are from Middleton which is a dreary suburb of Rochdale. The music press often refers to them as a Sheffield band. Probably due to Warp being associated with Sheff in the same way Factory were with Manchester. > > I don't think they really took off into definitive > uncharted headspace until 'Chiastic Slide' though... Ooh dear I totally disagree! All their albums are superb. Amber is one of the most beautifully crafted and emotinal records ever made for gods sake! They have always been incredibly inventive in terms of melody, rythmns, production and their ability to create new sounds, yet they are also fairly acessible...lots of electro/techno references amongst the multi-tonal chordwrangling. If Wire are the British Velvet Underground then Autechre are the British Kraftwerk. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:23:16 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT okay, here's my play list (sticks tongue out) As its late and I've just back from a friend's house after a very nice meal thank you for asking, and yes, a few glasses of wine, I thought I'd venture my now expanded listening horizons. Normally I wouldnt bother venturing a list as I tend to listen to records in clumps - i.e. the same ones over and over again in a certain period of time, i.e. I'm having a Vic Godard and Pere Ubu phase at the moment. At home: Vic Godard and Subway Sect - 20 Odd Years 2nd disc Vic - Long Term Side Effect Vic - TROUBLE Pere Ubu - Pennsylvania Pere Ubu - Worlds In Collision Pere Ubu - Terminal Tower Television - Marquee Moon Nightingales - Hysterics The Saints - Eternally Yours At friend's house: Stranglers BlueTones Belle and Sebastiane Bob Dylan Buzzcocks Beck Coldplay Propellorheads David Gray Badly Drawn Boy Eels NWA Eminem Some Moog version of Ziggy Stardust ELO Should I stay in more often or go out more often? John Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:25:54 -0600 From: JH3 Subject: [idealcopy] Fave contempo existential horror novelist strikes again Hi folks: I know this is rather off-topic, but I just wanted to mention that I've just finished ex-Ideal-Copyist Michel Faber's 1st novel "Under the Skin," and I seriously recommend it! Putting aside the fact that it manages to be disturbing, funny, and thought- provoking all at the same time, it's actually a real page-turner. I usually take two weeks to read an average novel, but I was through this in just two days. I took a day off from work just so I could read the last half in one sitting... Admittedly, parts of it are not for the squeamish. (One part, especially.) Also, people who hitch-hike should probably avoid it completely. It's probably the best book I've read in this genre in at least ten years, with the (probable) exception of Mark Danielewski's "House of Leaves," assuming you consider that to be in the same genre... I also like Wire, of course! (Did I mention that earlier?) John "thinking of naming my own farm 'Ablach' now" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:28:27 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IBTA Radio One A being deliberately contrary with this. > > Not really. Sure, EB is very "pop", but then Wire > weren't without their pop moments on every other CD > they'd done to that point. Kidney Bingos is overtyly > pop, albeit less frantic than Buzzzzz. > > I'm not sure they were running out of steam, > although > I think they may have been running out of material > that they felt they could perform with the > beat-combo > set-up... No - fair comment. > > They must have foreseen that Eardrum Buzz was > > potentially > > their most commercially viable product for a long > > time. >> > > I think post-Bell, Wire had ceased to be a > commercially viable entity. EB was probably the most > cynical piece of pop ever -- there aren't many who > basically slag off the genre in their own record... But EB had a smart campaign focus with the 'ear'. It had a decent in MTV terms video too. It got them good exposure on Snub for example. > > > concoction). Love all > > those four songs more than anything on > > Manscape or First Letter.... > > Well, I still really like TFL and having listened to > Bell for the first time in about six months today, I > still stand by my original comments of "a bit dull, > but quite nice"... IBTABA at least gave Wire one > decent piece of production from the '80s too... I still don't see this. Mybe I ought to clean MY ears out. 8-) John Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:44:44 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] OT re:nick cave In a message dated 3/14/1 6:28:04 AM, Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk writes: > >#23 (or thereabouts) for a ticket for Brixton is too >much. Who does he think he is Elton John? i know what you mean. i still enjoy his music and would like to see him again, but on his last trip through nyc, tix were $30 for irving plaza...sorry. no can do. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:38:23 +0100 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: AW: [idealcopy] OT David Sylvian Chris, thanks for the info about DS latest album. What I also wanted to write is that I got lots of inspiration on this list about other bands which might be worth to discover. So whenever I read about a group which might seem interesting I try to download some songs through napster and if I like it there is ebay for the older material or my favorite shop for the newer ones. Last sunday I checked Autechre, Cosmic Rough Riders, the Orb, Longpigs, Low, Filter and Shellac. At least Autechre is very good as a background music for playing 3d Tetris on my PC. I first heard of Sigur Ros on the ideal copy list, napstered them and bought the cd shortly after. regards, Frank from Bavaria - -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: CHRISWIRE@aol.com [mailto:CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Mdrz 2001 20:47 An: Frank.Woerner@nbg.sbs.de; CHRISWIRE@aol.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Betreff: Re: AW: [idealcopy] OT David Sylvian Frank , Sorry to take so long to get back to you but you were wondering what was on the 3rd CD given away with the David Sylvian "Everything & Nothing" compilation. 4 Tracks 1/ The Scent Of Magnolia (edit) 2/The Blinding Light Of Heaven (written with Robert Fripp) 3/The Scent of Magnolia (Portobello Mix)\ 4/ Brilliant Trees (Version 2000) I just wanted to add a comment regarding Graemes provocative questions on other listings.Strangely enough, although this is my main listing ( Wire having etched themselves on my brain over the last 25 years) I have this week been mostly also subscribed to : Bill Nelson's Permanent Flame list. XTC's Chalkhills list Orbital's Loopz site. I say strange because time & again these bands come up in conversations. That is not to deny my soft spot for Joy Division,Magazine,Buzzcocks,The Fall,Television, et al. I will also be visiting The Residents website soon.Do we do too much naval gazing & hanker after the old "punk days" too much ? I I may be so bold ,I think it's important as a list to encourage list members to listen to the new music out there.Like Silo,Autechre or whoever else .What I find really positive from the mails is the new bands (or old bands occasionally I've missed !) discovered purely from discussion on the list.For me Autechre is a good example. Finally music from the last week on the O'Connell lo fi system. AC Marias -One of Our Girls CDS Radiohead -Kid A (Superb) They Might Be Giants - Flood Autechre - Amber The Ramones -Live 1977 -German CD (Kickin !) Future Sound of London - Lifeforms CDS Severed Heads - Clifford Darling Don't Live In The Past (Absolute Joy !) Red Lorry Yellow Lorry -Paint Your Wagon Dif Juz - Extractions LP and to get rid of the cobwebs after a stressful work day..... Metal Urbain --Paris Maquis 7" I'll get my coat (Flameproof ) Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:18:34 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IBTA Radio One A - --- John Roberts wrote: > But EB had a smart campaign focus with the 'ear'. To a certain extent, but then there had been "gimmicks" with previous releases, too, such as that plastic cup for Bell. Granted, the ear was more memorable. Maybe Mute knew a good thing when they saw it/heard it and made the effort... > It had a decent in MTV terms video too. That's because it's a great video and certainly Wire's best from that period. Remember, MTV used to play decent music back then! :) > It got them good > exposure on Snub for example. Perhaps, but Snub was the bastion of the indie band. From what I remember, Wire was actually one of the most famous bands on that show!! ... C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. 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