From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #74 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, March 11 2001 Volume 04 : Number 074 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Acute Symptoms of Autechre with Haswell Complications [=?iso-] [idealcopy] Wire "hits" [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] Silence, Poets At Work [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= ] [idealcopy] Pop, Art or Pop Art ["Stephen JC Sheen" ] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) sod quad [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:54:58 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Acute Symptoms of Autechre with Haswell Complications Anyone whose faveband is Autechre should check out Symptoms on Swim Bruce Gilbert - Insiding ....the first time I heard Autechre was a remix of another Sheffield group called V. It reminded me of Wire! I don't think they really took off into definitive uncharted headspace until 'Chiastic Slide' though... The couple of times I heard them live I found them pretty dull, but like the more recent records a lot. They are playing in Sheffield as part of 'lovebyte2001' on 24.03 at the national centre of popular music. Also on the bill is Russell Haswell, the noisy designer with multiple Wire connectivity He designed 'The First Letter' (album cover) He woke the fly at the start of 'A Bargain @ 3 an 20 Yeh!' He helped Bruce do his 'TV Spot' remix He did the excellent DJ stint on Garage Sunday And of course, he Disobeyed!!! Mego bod Hecker (who Bruce remixed not so long ago) will also rumble a bit - more info from info@lovebytes.co.uk (apparently) Sadly I can't make it as it clashes with Low & Vibracathedral Orchestra in Manchester. 'lovebyte2001' is also hosting other events with Microstoria, Oval & Terre Thaemlitz. You've got a hat, And I've got a dog that eats Brian Ferrys! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine webzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 05:52:48 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Wire "hits" "Trainspotters point - Eardrum Buzz WAS a hit in the UK - got to no 73! Now then, now then, rattle-rattle, jewellery-jewellery, cigar-cigar etc." Thanks, Jim :-) Well, "hit" is top 100, I guess, but afaik, the only Wire top 40 was 154, which got to 39 in the UK album charts. According to some photocopy I grabbed from a big discog book, Chairs Missing got to 49 and Outdoor Miner 51 before it was pulled... Erm... time to remove "trainspotter hat". C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:29:12 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Silence, Poets At Work Stephen Jackson said >>>>what *really* does "drag my canal you saucy old salt pale in belief I'm not without fault" mean? Not sure, but I've always thought the first 2 couplets had an air of sexual innuendo. 'Pale in belief' could be a punning put down of mediocrity. 'I'm not without fault' is fairly self explanatory. The lyric "drag my canal you saucy old salt" from 'Free Falling Divisions' started out as part of another song ('Ambitious'). Since 'Ambitious' is about that most ambitious of replicators DNA, the sexual innuendo seems appropriate in the context of the original song it appeared in. Also, the sound of the words as Colin sings them is quite hypnotic and wonderful. Since Colin's approach to lyrics is often more concerned with what the words sound like, as opposed to Graham's concern with meanings, chances are that Colin simply transplanted a discarded lyric because he liked the way it sounded when he sang it. >>>>Morning Bell...terrible lyric By the high standards Wire had set themselves, perhaps. All that 'boys' stuff is a bit cringe worthy I suppose. >>>>Over Theirs-lyric=bag o' shite..... Not bag o's! (over and over lack a doom or lack a doom or like a Dome, something snapped - a millenial prophecy? Maybe not!) >>>>Curiously my favourite Wire lyric is one of Bruce's- "The Other Window" The man was possessed by genius that day. Colin's favourite Wire lyrics are often the ones Bruce brings, I think. Some things are better than poetry, aren't they? ;-) And some aren't... Around him people spoke in French They dragged his canal and sourced a tench! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine webzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 19:09:30 -0000 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Silence, Poets At Work Graeme wrote: >Not sure, but I've always thought the first 2 couplets >had an air of sexual innuendo. You know, even though I was condemning the song for it's ambiguity...I've always thought that line might have been about anal sex...and it's only after your comments that I've had the nerve to say so.... I've often wondered if that song had some reference to the (at that time) media portrayal of HIV (with the song's references to AIDS) and homosexuality ('saucy old salt')...Or am I talking complete bollocks as usual...? Interesting that a lyric that I thought was poop is, in fact, now intriguing me... Some things are better than poetry, aren't >they? ;-) > Oh yes. Some poetry I like, but there's nothing quite as moving as a top notch lyric set in a *musical context* which adds something to the experience that words alone could not. I guess that's why I prefer listening to music than reading poetry... Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They use the head and not the fist. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:25:07 -0000 From: "Stephen JC Sheen" Subject: [idealcopy] Pop, Art or Pop Art In order to help deliberations, these are apparently the suggestions that the very discerning records buyers at hmv.co.uk are recommending as "next buys" for fans of various Wire LPs ... Pink Flag ... Public Image Ltd - PIL Internal Wrangler - Clinic Rapper's Delight - Sugarhill Gang Chair's Missing ... Public Image Ltd - PIL Fear of Music - Talking Heads Erotica - Madonna On Returning ... Electronic - Electronic Elastica - Elastica Everley Brothers - Lucille and Other Hits PF/CM/154 Box ... Leonard Cohen - Greatest Hits Joy Division - Complete Radio 1 Recordings Jacques Brel - 24 Great Successes For comparison, XTC get "Pyromania" - Def Leppard and "fourth Drawer Down" - the Associates for "Fossil Fuel"and "Ultravox !" - Ultravox and "Solo 10 CD box set" - Freddie Mercury, demonstrating the soundness of these links. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 18:12:07 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) sod quad On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > Let's see, we have CD, CD Extra, CD+G, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, Video CD, > Super Video CD, DVD, DVD-Audio, DVD-R, SACD - that's just not enough!!! > That's just not enough!!!! We need more formats!!! For me, I think the best fidelity is obtained by taking the sort of LPs you find 5 for a dollar at Goodwill and playing them on a turntable created by extending a bicycle axle with a screw of appropriate length, pedaling the bike at the correct speed, punching an old sewing needle through a discarded cardboard toilet paper tube secured to the frame of the bike, and running a piece of string connected to a pair of tin cans that are then strapped around the ears. Not only do you get great sound, you can lose weight, too! Some day scientists will beam music directly into the appropriate brain-receptors, and then we'll all be happy. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::glibby glop gloopy nibby nobby noopy la la la la lo:: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 18:17:18 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Silence, Poets At Work On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Stephen Jackson wrote: > Graeme wrote: > Some things are better than poetry, aren't > >they? ;-) > > Oh yes. Some poetry I like, but there's nothing quite as moving as a top > notch lyric set in a *musical context* which adds something to the > experience that words alone could not. I guess that's why I prefer listening > to music than reading poetry... Despite the fact that what passes for my gainful employment involves my paying close attention to words, I all but ignore them when listening to music. I think music can say things that words can only struggle to do, so for me the best lyrics are those that, after I understand what the music means, seem to reinforce or otherwise comment on that musical meaning (contrast can work here as well). This means I actually tend to prefer lyrics that are less rather than more specific: Wire's lyrics fit the bill for me because I seldom know what they're about! Part of that is, as an American I'm missing some context - but I think Lewis may be interested in lyrics that suggest or insinuate rather than boringly tell. After all, if all you want to do is *tell*, just make a numbered list and mail it, right? This also means I can more readily ignore crappy lyrics with good music than vice versa. If the music sucks and the lyrics are good, I'd rather just read 'em. - --Jeff, who agrees with the general interp of what "drag my canal" means - interesting that lots of us do, no? J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 03:36:44 +0000 From: Tim Robinson Subject: re: [idealcopy] reaaalllyyy OT Vic Reeves is a very well known'alternative' comedian here in Britain and has been for the last 10-12 years mainly as one half of comedy duo Reeves and Mortimer His style of humour doesn't seem to 'travel' beyond these shores which always puzzles me because I always thought it was very Python-esque. Perhaps its his broad North-eastern accent that is the problem. Anyway the 'I will Cure You' LP is probably the crappest thing he ever did, so seek out some of his Tv shows on Video if you can find them, I dont know where you are. My favourite character of his was 'Morrissey the Consumer Monkey', which was a Monkey puppet with a Morrissey haircut and deaf-aid who gave out consumer advice about "Kettles with defective leads", or "unsafe parachutes", and he spoke in a ridiculous high pitched camp voice and was in love with Vic. Now to me that is really funny, but the rest of the world obviously didn't get it! Here is the On Topic part: If I'm not mistaken one of the songs on I will Cure You is 'I remember Punk Rock' which goes something like: "Oh I remember Punk Rock....and I recall all those melodies.... by The Clash, The Adverts, Wire, Eater....not to mention ATV" ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #74 ******************************