From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #71 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, March 8 2001 Volume 04 : Number 071 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Q+A [Ian Calder ] [idealcopy] OFF TOPIC - Scientists v Luddites/other bands/lists ["ian jac] Re: [idealcopy] WIRE in The Wire [Mark Short ] Re: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Kristin Hersh live in Seattle ["Paul Pietromo] Re: [idealcopy] OFF TOPIC - Scientists v Luddites/other bands/lists [John] [idealcopy] OT - groups postscript~ [Rick Hindman ] [idealcopy] OFF TOPIC Resident's update [Rick Hindman ] Re: [idealcopy] Q+A [JH3 ] [idealcopy] The Rich Man's 8 Track? [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= ] [idealcopy] Lost in Bore Res Beef Wire Music [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Row] Re: [idealcopy] Q+A [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] napster [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] eco-mozzer (OT) [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Q+A ["Stephen Jackson" ] AW: [idealcopy] Q+A [Woerner Frank ] Re: [idealcopy] Q+A [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:34:28 +0000 From: Ian Calder Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q+A Other lists I am subscribed to; Kraftwerk (seems to have lost it from a few years ago - seems when I dip in its pretty lame stuff - My Top 5 KW CDs and that ilk) King Crimson (like others, several hundred posts behind, difficult to keep up with and I really only like Discipline/Thrak era stuff and Fripp-solo anyways) Eno (at least, I used to - all is quiet) In the past I was also subscribed to the XTC Chalkhills list - but it was at a quiet period too pre-'Apple Venus'. The only one I posted to much was the Kraftwerk one, though not in a long time now. I do still maintain a KW site though which kind of attempts to digest decent news (instead of the 'my local radio station played 30 secs of 'Home Computer' on an advert for fridge-freezers last night' type posts). Ian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:06:19 -0000 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OFF TOPIC - Scientists v Luddites/other bands/lists paul wilson wrote :- Gosh, it's all getting very scientific. i agree paul, but hey, each to their own, (and it doesn't take too long to hit the delete button) i can just about set up a hi-fi system without pulling too much hair out. i'm just grateful to be able to hear music (with the big four-o looming), ...is that too, too basic??? nice to see a few Durutti-heads popping up, spent a pleasant few hours last week reaquainting myself with 'Return Of..' and 'LC' still shockingly good. this week oi 'av mostly been listenin' to... the Stephen Malkmus LP.. he's right, it IS just the next Pavement lp with different people. waiting for the new Bonnie Prince Billy lp to hit the shops... with reference to other mailing groups, i've been tempted to join either Guided By Voices or the Fall's lists ...maybe even Pere Ubu's...but, i'm just about able to cope with the Ideal Copy stuff, and the main reason i joined this was i knew there'd be a fairly wide variety of people on it, due to the split 70's-80's Wire thang. don't forget kids, irk the purists, ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:39:28 +0000 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE in The Wire ian jackson wrote: > > anyone noticed all the Wire mentions > in March's edition of 'The Wire"?? > what can this mean? (rhetorical question) > ian.s.j. I counted three namechecks. Does it mean that the Wire PR machine is in full effect? Or does it mean (as someone suggested some months ago) that Wire are indeed the Velvet Underground of their era; couldn't get arrested at the time, but subsequently a seminal influence and the must name to drop? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:53:39 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Kristin Hersh live in Seattle > Finally another Throwing Muses fan! I first saw them live in 1989, and > then twice thereafter, down the street in Portland. Definitely more a fan > of the older material than the new. Hunkpapa and House Tornado are still > in "heavy rotation" at my house. How's her new album? Is there an actual > tour on, or is it just a few one-off shows up there in the NW? > Hi Kevin, Well, she keeps her solo material separate from her Throwing Muses work. I'm much more a fan of the Throwing Muses stuff than the solo stuff. With the exception of Hips & Makers, I haven't found her solo albums to be very satisfying. On the new one, she plays all of the instruments, and it's much closer to a full band sound than previous solo efforts, so I like it better. The lyrics are still problematic though - on her solo stuff she seems to fixate on the same lyrical matter. That being said - it's always worth seeing her live - whether solo or with Throwing Muses. As for the tour, I think there'll be a full tour later. Right now she's playing Borders bookstores. From http://www.throwingmusic.com: 06-Mar 12:30 pm -- 1501 Fourth Avenue, Seattle, WA 07-Mar 7:00 pm -- Mohawk Building, 708 SW Third, First Floor, Portland, OR 09-Mar 6:00 pm -- 400 Post Street, San Francisco, CA 10-Mar 2:00 pm -- 1360 Westwood Boulevard, Westwood, CA 13-Mar 12:00 pm -- 500 Montezuma, Suite 108, Santa Fe, NM 18-Mar 6:00 pm -- 3131 Veterans Memorial Blvd, Metarie, LA 20-Mar 8:00 pm -- 3637 Peachtree Rd. NE, Suite C, Atlanta, GA 22-Mar 7:00 pm -- 5333 Wisconsin Avenue NW, Washington, DC 23-Mar 12:00 pm -- 5 World Trade Center (@ Church and Vesey Sts) New York, NY 24-Mar 12:30 pm -- 10-24 School Street, Boston, MA **PLEASE NOTE** DATE CHANGE FOR ANN ARBOR! 28-Mar 7:00 pm -- 830 N. Michigan, Chicago, IL 29-Mar 6:00 pm -- 612 E. Liberty, Ann Arbor, MI 30-Mar 7:00 pm -- 800 W. 78th Street, Richfield, MN So, if you still live in the Portland area, she's there tonight. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:30:19 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OFF TOPIC - Scientists v Luddites/other bands/lists - --- ian jackson wrote: > paul wilson wrote :- > Gosh, it's all getting very scientific. > > i agree paul, but hey, each to their own, > (and it doesn't take too long to hit the delete > button) Quite right. > with reference to other mailing groups, > i've been tempted to join either > Guided By Voices or the Fall's lists > ...maybe even Pere Ubu's... I joined the Fall list for about 15 minutes. All I got was a string of non sensical jibberish which I imagine was meant to be some kind of tribute to M E SMith's use of cut up technique or something. Pretty poor imo. I've got a reminder service set up with netmind that informs me when the Fall website is updated. That suits me. I didn't know of a Pere Ubu list. Do you mean the mail list from David that generally serves to inform me of 2PB gigs more than anything else tbh? I'm also on a similar info service from Motion Records, Vic Godard's label. I get enough mail from this list and the Blue Army one...not that I am complaining...life's rich tapestry and all that.... John Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:02:39 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hindman Subject: [idealcopy] OT - groups postscript~ Forgot one group I get mailings from~ In addition to the Resident's group, I also subscribed to "Permanent Flame", the Bill Nelson/Bee Bop Deluxe list. I had considered joining the XTC site, but have been pretty disappointed in them lately. Stay Ideal, you copiers!! RJH Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:05:34 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hindman Subject: [idealcopy] OFF TOPIC Resident's update For all of you on the right side of the Atlantic, I just got a posting that the PAL version of "Icky Flix" has just been released. Should be cool! RJH Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:12:33 -0600 From: JH3 Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q+A Paul R. wrote: >>and i still don't rate xtc and i'm still amazed people bracket >>them with wire and JD. you're joking.p It depends on what you mean by "bracket," doesn't it? Back in the 80's, rawk critics (and label execs) constantly said the same thing about all three of these bands - "If they just tried to write a hit single once in a while, they'd be huge, but they have too much artistic integrity for that," etc. etc. But if you're talking about actual musical comparisons, I'd be interested in knowing what sort of people are making them -- friends, enemies, folks on Internet newsgroups, the music press? XTC is my favorite band, and I've read just about everything ever written about them, but I've *never* seen anything written down *anywhere* comparing them to Joy Division, ever. Occasionally you'd see people using words like "angular" and maybe "oblique" in comparing early XTC with Wire, but (it seemed to me) only because their frame of reference was too limited - either by their insistence on making comparisons to bands people had heard of, or by their sheer lack of exposure to more genuinely comparable stuff. Also because they wanted to show off their impressive mastery of words related to geometry in some way. So I'm not so much disagreeing as trying to rationalize how such a crazy, wacky thing could possibly happen. Paul C.D. wrote: >i'd sooner bracket them with the beatles. i'm not much for >bracketing, mind you, so let me know how many worms got >out of this can! Which can? The Beatles-comparison can, or the other one? I'll be the first to admit that XTC's recent work has taken a turn for the syrupy, at least in comparison to their earlier stuff. I try to be open-minded (otherwise I wouldn't like all three bands as much as I do), but only up to the point at which the gray matter starts spilling out onto the floor in messy, gooey globules. I don't think XTC has quite reached that point yet... for me, at least. John "Swindonmania!" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:15:08 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] The Rich Man's 8 Track? (NB. Shellac listers - Steve Albini's recording techniques are being dissected this week in great detail on the Wire Ideal Copy list & I thought this might be of interest to some of you) >>>>Since Steve doesn't pay any attention to the CDs, generally they don't sound as good, hence diluting the impact of the songs. He does pay attention, it's just that he knows that his band sound better on vinyl! He's right! Shellac lose a lot of detail on CD! I think distorted guitars in general sound crap on CD. The treblier they are, the more the loss of detail. The high end tones he fires off just vanish into digitised nothingness! Probably the crappiest Cd's I've heard, compared to the vinyl are Anything on which Albini plays his trebly, distorted guitar Wire - Pink Flag Sonic Youth - Sister Mudhoney - Superfuzz Bigmuff Dinosaur - You're Living All Over Me Neil Young - Rust Never Sleeps Some releases sound better on CD simply because the vinyl pressings were so shoddy (eg. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless & the first Tortoise album) Wire's 'Turns & Strokes' sounds better on CD because it was digitally remastered for both vinyl & CD. As someone with very sensitive enginears, I found Paul P's physics lectures very illuminating! >>>>How can you be supporting lo-tech and natural sound on the one hand, and release stuff that could only be heard on expensive equiment on the other? Albini's sound is far from lo-tech! He knows his microphones! Anyone using electric amplification can also really not make any claims to be making 'natural sound'. My CD player cost about #120. My 3 turntables cost nothing! 2 of the turntables sound better to me. :-) A passable quality turntable can be bought in the UK for about #100. Through a good amp, these sound better to my ears than the cheap #60 CD players. The turntable on my midi hifi is of such poor quality it's only really much use for making skipping loops channeled thru a distortion pedal. On a crud midi, even the tape decks usually sound better than the turntable! I think that Philips (who made the midi & also make (patented?) Cd's) deliberately made rubbish turntables to convince the public that they should shell out a bit more for a CD and forget their scratchy, warped, off centre vinyl. Poor quality vinyl seemed to proliferate around the time that Cd's were getting the big sell. I joked at the time that the flexi disc seemed to be making a bid for format of the future. The record store cursed me for all the faulty records I returned and ordered me to buy CD's. I told them I would if they'd charge the same price as the vinyl! I only relented and began buying full price CD's because so much good stuff wasn't getting a vinyl release! What really annoyed me about CD's was the way the music biz in the UK used their introduction as an excuse to artificially hike the price of sounds, and pay the artists lower royalties. Apparently, the European Commission (whoever they may be) are now looking into the matter. Check this article out: http://www.cnn.com/2001/SHOWBIZ/Music/01/26/cd.price/index.html I wouldn't expect much of a result there though! Aluminal Hats! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine webzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:18:02 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Roos an Ran got Silo on the Brain! My Silo review appears on 'The Brain' this week - http://www.brainwashed.com/brain/brainv04i08.html I said this - >>>>Bruce wouldn't be very likely to listen to a Swim release unless it happened by chance.<<<< Craig at Wireviews tells me that Bruce and Graham are both Silo fans. Bruce & Graham both collaborated with Pan Sonic. So what I was wondering now is, what does Colin think of Pan Sonic? A. A. A! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine webzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:43:48 -0000 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q+A JH3 wrote.... >I'll be the first to admit that XTC's recent work has taken a >turn for the syrupy, Hardly...Wasp Star is not as syrupy as say Skylarking (1987)....but not as good either. Obviously this 'bracketing' thing doesn't hold much water, but there must be *something* in it. You see, my 3 fave bands of all time are Wire, XTC and Magazine...and two of those are yours also, so there must be something in common in the music. I've read reviews where XTC and Wire are mentioned in the same breath (and I'd be first to say they don't sound remotely similar) .... If you listen to Parklife by Blur it's apparent that Damon Albarn's record collection had a lot of Wire and XTC in it...(London Loves- XTC... Trouble in the Message Centre- Wire)... Dave Gregory (XTC guitar 79-98) told me that he rates Pink Flag. They have something in common, but I'm not entirely sure what.....angles? XTC, to me at least, like Wire continue to interest me. Neither band has ever sacrificed 'artistic credibility' (Andy Partridge could probably write a cheesy piece of chart fodder in his sleep, if he so desired...) Wire have supported XTC interestingly enough....And two great drummers in Terry and Rob. Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They use the head and not the fist. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 22:20:02 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Lost in Bore Res Beef Wire Music Tonight Radio 1 UK 10pm John Peel is broadcasting the second Beefheart session. So yesterday I listened to - HALO - Immanent (but only half of it) 'fuck off you Nazi bastards' being a good way to start the day Wire - The Ideal Copy LP Wire - Drill (Peel session, Coatings) Wire - Its all in the brochure (about half of it) Wire - 12 Times You 7" Wire - 12xu (Turns & Strokes) ....all Wire at max volume, singing along!!!! Vibracathedral Orchestra - bootleg drone om tape of their gig the night before @ aLECTRO-eCOUSTIC Steve Noble - amazing solo percussion improv tape from a-e recorded by me Disco Operating System - Phonia 12" EP .....this guy lives down the road from me & could give Autechre fans a thrill! Tortoise - Standards LP A Welsh V/vm tribute tape by Aled the pig faced boy (I kid ye not) Daniel Weaver - Cello Solos (as I ate vegan chile) Seam - are you driving me crazy? (?????) 71 Minutes of Faust (as I read my email) Melt Banana - Wedge 8 song clear vinyl 7" Turing Machine - A New Machine for Living (thanks, Giluz!) Part of the John Peel Wingding off which I recorded the first Captain Beefheart session & a track off the new Matmos CD Thomas Dimuzio - Louden Berkowitz, Lake & Dahmer - Contraception of the Gods Various Coil, Matmos & Noise Girl MP3 excerpts from Brainwashed Coil - Gold is the metal "Rockin' Time!!!" "Unbelievable !!!!!" "What a lift off!!!!!!!!" "Free Noise & No TV!!!!!!!!!!!!" & I promise (maybe) not to do this again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I listened to 'Thirst' by Clock DVA the same day Rezmole did, yet still haven't heard anything by Slughummer but life's too short when you live on a road where Alex Sanders, king of the witches, did some deeds. Can I have another one at the end please? Boredoms CD should be easily available online via http://www.forcedexposure.com 'Vision Creation Newsun' has just been issued on faux-indie label Birdman in the States, so should be readily available at a standard price outside Japan (the country not the old new romantic combo). Everyone should have at least one Residents LP? I have Residue of the, Meet the & the James Brown at the Apollo tribute. Have heard about 7-8 others though. They're a bit silly. As for The Wire mag - their new logo looks like another Wire I should mention... to finish on topic... "A piano falls from above! It smashes in front of me!!" I'm wearing a hat, A black hat! (2 eyeballs under) Graeme ===== Cracked Machine webzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:38:32 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q+A It depends on what you mean by "bracket," doesn't it? Back in the 80's, rawk critics (and label execs) constantly said the same thing about all three of these bands - "If they just tried to write a hit single once in a while, they'd be huge, but they have too much artistic integrity for that," etc. etc. ////// i've often seen lazy journalistic lists of "post-punk" , "art punk" or whatever including JD , magazine , wire , whatever. more as throwaway comments than anything in-depth. now i'm afraid we are going to disagree on xtc , apologies in advance. but to me they've released a lot of attempts at hit singles , how else would you describe something like "life begins at the hop"? to me that's just a new wave ditty of no real interest at all. (hope that's not your all time fave.....) i did like some of their chart singles but to me they weren't really very musically challenging , and nowhere in the league of real innovators like wire , magazine or JD. but i suppose its just a question of taste and you disagree totally with the above , as is your right. not many of the other lists being mentioned seem to have anything like the diversity of this one , which is probably why it stays interesting.p > But if you're talking about actual musical comparisons, I'd be > interested in knowing what sort of people are making them -- > friends, enemies, folks on Internet newsgroups, the music press? > XTC is my favorite band, and I've read just about everything ever > written about them, but I've *never* seen anything written down > *anywhere* comparing them to Joy Division, ever. Occasionally > you'd see people using words like "angular" and maybe "oblique" > in comparing early XTC with Wire, but (it seemed to me) only > because their frame of reference was too limited - either by > their insistence on making comparisons to bands people had > heard of, or by their sheer lack of exposure to more genuinely > comparable stuff. Also because they wanted to show off their > impressive mastery of words related to geometry in some way. > > So I'm not so much disagreeing as trying to rationalize how > such a crazy, wacky thing could possibly happen. > > Paul C.D. wrote: > >i'd sooner bracket them with the beatles. i'm not much for > >bracketing, mind you, so let me know how many worms got > >out of this can! > > Which can? The Beatles-comparison can, or the other one? > > I'll be the first to admit that XTC's recent work has taken a > turn for the syrupy, at least in comparison to their earlier stuff. > I try to be open-minded (otherwise I wouldn't like all three bands > as much as I do), but only up to the point at which the gray matter > starts spilling out onto the floor in messy, gooey globules. I don't > think XTC has quite reached that point yet... for me, at least. > > John "Swindonmania!" Hedges > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (rly-zd01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.225]) > by air-zd02.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 14:31:46 > -0500 > Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [216.200.102.14]) by > rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 14:31:20 -0500 > Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id OAA07397; > Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:14:51 -0500 (EST) > Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:14:49 -0500 > Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id OAA07359 > for idealcopy-outgoing; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:14:08 -0500 (EST) > Received: from smtp02.infoave.net (smtp02.infoave.net [165.166.0.27]) by > smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id OAA07350 for > ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 14:14:02 -0500 (EST) > Received: from JH3 ([207.144.222.77]) by SMTP00.InfoAve.Net (PMDF > V6.0-24 #45322) with SMTP id <01K0X29FSTSK937Q8I@SMTP00.InfoAve.Net> > for idealcopy@smoe.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 14:12:12 -0500 (EST) > Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:12:33 -0600 > From: JH3 > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q+A > To: Ideal Cops > Reply-to: JH3 > Message-id: <000f01c0a73a$911ccf20$4dde90cf@JH3.alternatech.net> > MIME-version: 1.0 > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org > Precedence: bulk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:44:01 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] napster well somebody told me today napster has 72 hours to live , which is a real shame. i've been really going for the wire downloads and still finding some great things. today i got the panasonic peel session (with bruce) , somebody put 2 tracks on one mp3 ; rockabilly and girders. i'm no panasonic expert at all but this was really good. i also got "urania" , but not the version they did with graham. anyone got this? any other recommendations of good panasonic stuff? wish i'd realised this a long time ago.p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:55:49 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] eco-mozzer (OT) last night vh1 showed a smithss gretest hits half hour , the contents of which did make me laugh i always rated the 3 vids they did with derek jarman as excellent stuff , needless to say they didn't show those. they showed a crap version of panic , some ropey live footage intercut with some of the jarman film. also a "what difference" clip i'd not seen before , i thought they were anti-video for the first couple of albums. the funny one though was the "moz clones ride around on bikes" film. now i'm sure that was originally the video for one of the "strangeways" singles. then on the "complete picture" compilation they used it for "stop me if you.....". last night they used it for "there is a light". maybe now he's had to finally pay the band poor ol' moz needs to save some cash , but this seems like a fascinating idea to get the maximum payback out of a film shoot. for its next airing i might suggest "headmaster ritual" , i always liked that one.p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 07:38:22 -0000 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q+A Paul wrote: now i'm afraid we are going to disagree on >xtc , apologies in advance. but to me they've released a lot of attempts at >hit singles , how else would you describe something like "life begins at the >hop"? to me that's just a new wave ditty Outdoor Miner, anyone? XTC also have an experimental side....The Dub Experiments (which were errr...shite) and songs like Snowman (off English Settlement) and Travels in Nihilon (Black Sea) which proves nothing, I guess. Still a great band tho... Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They use the head and not the fist. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:51:51 +0100 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] Q+A > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Stephen Jackson [mailto:smj@zen.co.uk] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Mdrz 2001 08:38 > An: PaulRabjohn@aol.com; jh3@winco.net; idealcopy@smoe.org > Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] Q+A > > XTC also have an experimental side....The Dub Experiments (which were > errr...shite) and songs like Snowman (off English Settlement) > and Travels in > Nihilon (Black Sea) which proves nothing, I guess. Still a > great band tho... Might I add that they also have a psychedelic side ... Anyone remembering the Dukes of Stratosphere ? I've listened to XTC from Science Friction till today and did so with Wire from Pink Flag till today ... and as those groups got mature so did I. I don't know any other group ( besides JD -> New Order ) which kept my interest for over 20 years. Frank from Bavaria ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 03:50:02 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q+A "life begins at the >hop"? to me that's just a new wave ditty Outdoor Miner, anyone? ///// well shoot me down in flames if you will , but to me OM has some good , interesting lyrics and LBATH is just a really cliched pop song. "there's c-c-c-cola on tap" indeed.p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #71 ******************************