From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #68 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, March 6 2001 Volume 04 : Number 068 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: [OFF(?) TOPIC] A Quick Shellac Primer, with some Wire references ["giluz" ] [idealcopy] Off-Topic: How I learned to stop worrying and love Faust ["gi] [idealcopy] OT David Sylvian [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #67 [Howard Spencer ] [idealcopy] tim curry (OT) [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] tim curry (OT) ["giluz" ] [idealcopy] Wireviews March update [Wireviews ] Re: [idealcopy] Beefaust Mining Shellac ["Jan J Noorda" ] Re: [idealcopy] Q+A [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT David Sylvian [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT David Sylvian [Paul Pietromonaco ] [none] ["Cambra, Robert" ] [idealcopy] Q+A [Tim Robinson ] [idealcopy] Re: Ricks Picks [Tim Robinson ] AW: [idealcopy] OT David Sylvian [Woerner Frank ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:47:02 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: [OFF(?) TOPIC] A Quick Shellac Primer, with some Wire references > Another thing to bear in mind is that Steve puts a lot of effort into the > Shellac vinyl releases. He does the CD release as an afterthought. (In > fact, "1000 Hurts" includes the CD in the vinyl release just to point out > how inferior it sounds. (^_^)) A large part of the appeal (in my opinion) > of Shellac are the sonic textures they generate. Anything that dilutes > those textures dilutes the impact of the songs. Since Steve doesn't pay > any attention to the CDs, generally they don't sound as good, hence > diluting the impact of the songs. What a snotty attitude, just like deliberately making LP's in the 80's that would sound bad on compact cassettes, just so people won't play them in their cars. I really like the lo-tech concept, but I don't like people that seem to think it's religion. Any attempt to make music using these kind of extreme dogmatic theoretical boundaries is not flexible enough for me (for example, Wire wouldn't have done phase 2 if they were too strict about their punk ideology). I know I'm quite exhaggerating, but it really pisses me off to hear of someone who deliberately releases crap quality CD's and hi-quality vinyl. Regardless of the debate whether vinyl is superior or not, the simple fact is that vinyl equipment is much less accessible and far more expensive than CD equipment. Even if vinyl is superior to CD it's not that much superior - most of this vinyl hype is just old-fashioned romanticism. Just like when the first digital multitracks were out and they made them look just like analogue multitracks, so that the engineers won't have any psycholoogical barriers about using them. How can you be supporting lo-tech and natural sound on the one hand, and release stuff that could only be heard on expensive equiment on the other? Consider the opposite example, that of Wire's 12 times you: This was released on a limited edition 7" vinyl and was also made available for digital download for people that don't have turntables. Though they cannot enjoy the full range sound of an analogue player invented more than 100 years ago, they still deserve to enjoy it on their crappy digital CD players, with no discernible loss of quality. (digi)luz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:48:07 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] A Funny Old Quote > Whats's this pigshit about Colin's guru kibosh then? > I think he must be referring to Colin's trip to India. What's kibosh? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 13:18:30 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] Off-Topic: How I learned to stop worrying and love Faust MarkBursa@aol.com write: > Faust - I recently bought the box set, and I have to say it's > disappointing > compared to Can or Neu! When it's good it's very good - but a lot of the > stuff meanders (like you might imagine jazz-influenced German > hippies jamming > in a commune might, I suppose!). Probably enjoyed the Peel CD > best of all in > the box - good old BBC engineers making order from chaos! Worst thing about the box set is the omission of Faust IV (and that is because it was released on Virgin and they wouldn't give the rights - bastards). Maybe it's because that was my first introduction to Faust (coincidentally found on side B of a tape of Eno's Music For Films vol 2 which I got for my 18th birthday), but I consider this album their best and also the best one to start with. After this I could accept any other Faust album, even though most of them are far less communicative. Any Faust album, however obscure, however noise-led or hippy, has at least one track worth its price (usually there's more). I was a bit amazed to discover that they couldn't really play when they started out - always thought this was a kind of virtuoso krautrock band, like Can. MrSodium@aol.com wrote: > Never heard Faust. Being a cynic, I harbor a sneaking suspicion > that this is > one of those bands that gets name checked all the time but who is > actually > never listened to. BZZZZZZZZ ! WRONG ANSWER ! Why - are musicians saying all the time in interviews about how Faust-influenced they are? Or are you just talking about current list members? I think in both situations you're wrong. Graeme Rowland wrote: > Most Faust fans would agree that 'Tago Mago' tops any > Faust album from the 70's, but 'Saw Delight' or 'Flow > Motion'? No way! Once Holger Czukay took a back seat > in Can they got pretty boring Absolutely right - and you can't compare Can's 80's reunion album with Faust's 2nd phase albums. I can't say that I prefer the new stuff to the old, but albums like Rien or Ravivando are certainly some of the best releases of the last 10 years. > Some say these recent > Faust albums are more 'industrial' for want of a > better term. They are, but in the same vein you could also claim them to be post-rock - kinda ridiculous, just like the Beatles reforming and being labelled as BritPop. > The Faust Peel session > is very good indeed (despite what Colin said on > Totally Radio, it's one long track a few years before > 'Crazy About Love' which was not therefore the first > Peel session to consist of one long track!). I've read somewhere that the Krautrock Peel session version wasn't actually recorded at the BBC studios but was done independently by Faust and sent to the BBC later. Some even suspect that it's the same version from the Faust IV album (I haven't heard it yet, so I can't judge). Anyway, Colin was right in a way, 'cause the track wasn't strictly a peel session track. cheers, giluz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:20:38 +0000 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: [idealcopy] OT David Sylvian Interview with Sylvian. Is anyone going to pay the #50 to go and see him this year? http://avclub.theonion.com/bonusfeature1.html C The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 11:37:25 +0000 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #67 What other music related lists are Ideal Copiers > subscribed to? Telex! Appears deceased. > Are there any Wire fans here who dislike Faust, > Beefheart or Shellac? > If so, what was it about it you didn't like? Haven't heard enough of Faust and Beefheart to say. I like Neu! v much, but find much of Can's stuff difficult and think I might have the same trouble with Faust. What I've heard of Beefheart I've liked without having the urge to race down to HMV. Shellac, no idea, probably not. I'm not incurious, but there is only a certain amount of time and money to be spent on records and CDs. Unfortunately. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 13:25:17 -0000 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - acting musicians someone wrote :- Lemmy and Iggy Pop in 'Hardware' spring immediately to mind... actually, Iggy in Star Trek - (Next Gen, DS9, Voyager) can't remember which one, was a real head-wrecker!!! ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:05:54 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: [OFF(?) TOPIC] A Quick Shellac Primer, with some Wire references On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, giluz wrote: > I know I'm quite exhaggerating, but it really pisses me off to hear of > someone who deliberately releases crap quality CD's and hi-quality > vinyl. what's more, it doesn't even make the point that he's trying to make. if he thinks vinyl's so god-damn superior, then shouldn't he be spending the same amount of time on both versions and saying "see, the CD still sounds worse"? instead, he's rigging the experiment, and admitting that he's rigged it out of pique, and expecting people to say "ah, yes, now i see that you were right". a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 08:54:22 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hindman Subject: RE: [idealcopy] coeur de boeuf Other lists: Smelly Tongues And that's it I am somewhat interested in loopers delight as people from it put on some looping shows in the Santa Cruz area recently. I haven't signed up for the list yet. RJH Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:35:10 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] tim curry (OT) just remembered this ; i didn't realise the guy had some sort of singing career. was he in a band or solo or what? any of you king crimson fans enjoy that "top 10 of prog rock" on saturday? i think the film of rick wakemans pantomime horses on ice was my favourite bit. plus i saw nothing to challenge my view of ELP as probably the worst (real) band in history.p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:20:04 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] tim curry (OT) > just remembered this ; i didn't realise the guy had some sort of > singing career. was he in a band or solo or what? I think he released one or two solo albums. Actually he even had a hit single in the 80's - Working on My Tan. But his "musical fame" comes mostly from an earlier song called Sloe Gin (aka I'm So Fucking Lonely - very subtle). giluz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:41:07 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Wireviews March update The Wireviews Web site @ http://welcome.to/wireviews has just been updated for the March edition, including: - - Reviews of IBM and CN1 - - Interview (part 1) with Kevin Eden - - WMO 0301 newsletter and more... Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 22:05:01 +0100 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Beefaust Mining Shellac - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme Rowland" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 12:17 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Beefaust Mining Shellac > > Big Black was one of THE greatest rock bands!!! > However I reckon the first Shellac album 'Shellac At > Action Park' is Albini's finest work. Also Weston (bs) > & Trainer's (drums) finest for that matter. It might > not push the extreme quite as much as 'Songs About > F*!?#ing', but... Yes that's ok to mention that. These were indeed the hard times. My all time heaviest concert I was with were Swans Paradiso, just before the Children of God time. Double bass, Double drums with Michael Gira and Jarboe. Gerard Walhof, our Dutch progressive music radiomaker would say: These are Songs About F*!?#ing Dinosaurs. p.s. Who were the Boredoms Where to find Vison Creation New Sun Quote: from Gilberts Ab Ovo - Where did the time go? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 16:31:46 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q+A Paul, I like XTC but I totally agree that they're not in the Wire/JD bracket. The only band of that vintage that is on that level for me is Magazine... Mark >>.......and i still don't rate xtc and i'm still amazed people bracket them with wire and JD. you're joking.p<< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 13:46:43 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] A Quick Shellac Primer >they still deserve to enjoy it on their crappy digital CD >players, with no discernible loss of quality. > Ah - but Steve would disagree with you. His basic take is that a 16 bit, 44 kHz CD *cannot* reproduce his music accurately - no matter how hard you try. Only a device capable of generating a continuous analog waveform (i.e. a record player) can accurately reproduce the electrical signals he's recording. Plus, since the entire recording chain is analog, any digital step would interfere with the inherent quality he's achieving. His CDs are actually mastered quite well - they don't overload the digital signal like modern pop CDs, for instance. Shellac's last two CDs were even mastered at Abbey Road studios. It's just that they're not "mastered direct to metal on 165 grams of virgin, dye-blackened vinyl" to paraphrase "At Action Park"'s liner notes. Also - don't confuse Steve's approach with lo-tech. His approach is very hi-tech in a way. It's just non-digital. And, Steve's not alone in this respct - Neil Young, oddly enough, has the same philosophy. (Who would have thought of Neil Young and Steve Albini agreeing on anything? (^_^)) Neil finally got around his dislike of digital by using 20 bit systerms to do his mastering from his analog master tapes. He can then release the CD with HDCD technology and feel better about the results. If you're Neil, you can use a HDCD decoder and hear superior sound. If you're anyone else, you can play the CD in a regular player and hear a little better sound. You should hear Neil talk about DVD, though - he's certainly not very impressed, to put it mildly. (^_^) I think that the ideal solution to this would be the higher bit-rates and 24 bit/96 kHz resolution provided by something like DVD Audio. Unfortunately, this technology is still pretty new, and technically kinda shaky. (I bought a DVD Audio disc over the weekend, just to see what it would do in my DVD video player. For $25.00 U.S., I wasn't very impressed with the Dolby Digital playback. I'll have to hear it in a DVD Audio unit to see how the other digital audio streams sound. (^_^) ) In my opinion, without gadflies like Steve and Neil, the formats will never advance. Like 'em or not, you need people pointing out when there's problems, or you get the same crap endlessly. CD was great in 1984, but we can do better now, and we should. (In fact, we are in the professional recording studios - 24 bit mastering is quite common now.) Instead, consumers are settling for MP3 and other convenient, but not necessarily high quality, audio formats. And, that to me is a real shame. Cheers, Paul P.S. For further info about HDCD, surf here: http://www.hdcd.com or e-mail me privately. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 13:49:05 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] A Funny Old Quote >> Whats's this pigshit about Colin's guru kibosh then? >> I think he must be referring to Colin's trip to India. > >What's kibosh? From Merriam-Webster: "One entry found for kibosh. Main Entry: ki7bosh Pronunciation: 'kI-"bdsh, kI-'; ki-'bdsh Function: noun Etymology: origin unknown Date: 1836 : something that serves as a check or stop - kibosh transitive verb Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:01:17 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q+A In a message dated 05/03/01 21:31:46 GMT Standard Time, Mark Bursa writes: > > I like XTC but I totally agree that they're not in the Wire/JD bracket. The > only band of that vintage that is on that level for me is Magazine... > > Mark > > ////// mmmm , i could see the point about most people into wire probably > liking shellac/faust/beefheart but i'd have though magazine/JD were more > obviously linked (or they are if you're english and in your mid/late > thirties.........). > > i've heard pieces of beefheart/faust , but far from all of it. the reviews > certainly tempted me to get the faust boxset , i'll see how rich i'm > feeling. like a few other acts of that vintage , its a bit of a "where do i ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:27:20 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT David Sylvian Chris Ray I have already bought my ticket for Sylvian at the Nottingham Centre & believe me having seen him before it is worth every penny.Check out the relatively new compilation CD spanning the last 20 years.It costs about 20 quid with a 3rd CD thrown in.He is one of the small stench free islands you come across in a sea of shit.I count Wire as a small cluster of islands (made up of the individual members).But I'm beginning to ramble so I'll get my coat... Chriswire ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:33:41 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT David Sylvian > I have already bought my ticket for Sylvian at the Nottingham Centre & > believe me having seen him before it is worth every penny.Check out the >relatively new compilation CD spanning the last 20 years.It costs about 20 >quid with a 3rd CD thrown in. Man - we in the states got ripped off again. I bought that CD when it came out over here, and there's no 3rd CD. Cheap label bastards....(^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:07:31 -0500 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [none] Graeme asks: >Are there any Wire fans here who dislike Faust, >Beefheart or Shellac? >If so, what was it about it you didn't like? A couple years ago I finally picked up Trout Mask Replica. Well, of course I like it--I need freak out music. In the 70s I wondered what that clear Faust record sounded like, and I'm still wondering; but now I'm also wondering what the box set sounds like. Shellac--such a great name I want to like the band--but first I have to hear it. Big Black is amazing--are they close? >If you had to choose one non-Wire related release to >listen to over & over, what would it be? Fripp & Eno's No Pussyfooting. I've long felt that if I had a church this would be the first music in the hymn book >What other music related lists are Ideal Copiers >subscribed to? Just one, the King Crimson list, but Im several hundred issues behind. My interest has really been more in Fripps work than in just King Crimson. I read Fripp's stuff on his site instead now. When I subscribed to this list I thought that Wire and King Crimson were two separate worlds (felt very strange to think of KC when I first heard The Queen of Ur and the Queen of Um) but right away I noticed one member here who was also a regular contributor to the KC list, then Charles subscribed, and Fripp and KC get mentioned here on a regular basis, especially in this last week. The more I listen to music the more obvious it is that genre doesn't mean much. The early KC was a bit of work for me, not having a natural sympathy for the music of the previous generation and I can see how people younger than I am could be put off; I came in with the 73-74 band and if you want to know what Bartok's ideas would sound like successfully interpreted by a rock band--in part, this is it!, particularly live. The band's uneven and varied but if Fripp's in a band theres usually something worthwhile. OK, Ive revealed myself, for me its Fripp and Wire . . . and Monk and Satie. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 02:18:58 +0000 From: Tim Robinson Subject: [idealcopy] Q+A For what its worth this is my response to a few things that have cropped up over the last few days: << Are there any Wire fans here who dislike Faust, Beefheart or Shellac? If so, what was it about it you didn't like?<< Must confess to complete ignorance of all these. I've heard a bit of Shellac and I didn't really get it. Not my bag. I got their last LP as well cos I liked the box, but I found it too rock-tastic for my tastes and gave it a mate of mine, who loves it! Faust and Beefheart are those bands I know I ought to check out put I always prefer to buy new stuff thats just come out if I'm shopping, but I'll probably shell out for some beefheart one quiet week! A few months ago I would have put Pere Ubu in that category...but I'm listening to some Pere Ubu at this precise moment (Terminal Tower) and its f**king tremendous! Great voice! Great noises! >>If you had to choose one non-Wire related release to listen to over & over, what would it be? >> None! I can't listen to anything over and over. Attention span too short. However, if I had to to choose one band to listen to over and over and study for a while it would be Autechre because their stuff is so complex and intricate always sounds different whenever you listen to it. But if you listen hard enough you get these funny little melodies every so often which are just gorgeous. What other music related lists are Ideal Copiers subscribed to?<< i recently subscribed to Peng! which is the Stereolab list. I got bored with cos it was just three lads discussing whether cardboard cd-cases were better than jewell cases. Lifes too short for that one! I was on the Beach Boys list which was good fun actually as BB attract a vast range of backgrounds...the conversation never got too bogged down in trivia because you had people posting who claimed to had shagged Dennis Wilson, snorted coke with Brian etc....Must rejoin that one actually! I was on MBV list as well, and thru that I met an Icelandic girl who is now a very good friend indeed, but we both un-subsribed because if you think there is a lot of OT stuff on IC, what about a list where the band in question only did 2 proper LPs and hasn't got out of bed for ten years? The last straw for me was when the discussion descended into biscuits that are popular in Canada. Re: Eardrum Buzz vid. Haven't seen it for a while but and didn't spot Radio Fab FM's Dave Lee Travis but isn't the other hairy cornflake, Robin Guthrie from Cocteau Twins in it as well? Re: Factory/Hacienda Flick A friend of mine ended up in the mock-up Hacienda (re-created to the last detail in a disused Warehouse in Ancoats, Manchester) last week during filming for some crowd scenes and said it was scarily real! They had a real working (free) bar and at one point he turned round to see Steve Coogan (dressed in character as Tony Wilson) talking to the actor playing Rob Gretton. Later on he saw the real Bruce Durutti Column, Barney & Hooky from New Order. Only when they went through the doors where the bogs should have been did they remember they were on a film set....the door led to some porta-loos amid all the film trucks....weird! Paul Rabjohn wrote: "........and i still don't rate xtc and i'm still amazed people bracket them with wire and JD. you're joking." Well I don't know..... they come between Wire and Yo La Tengo on my CD racks. Some of Wires more jovial moments go nicely with XTC. Dot Dash, Outdoor Miner, Map Ref. Like Wire they are also very English/European, they have the same kind of loyal fanbase who stick wth them through various 'challenging' moments and also were also ripped off like mad by Blur et al during the Brit-pop wars, and they make some fine tunes and are still doing their thing outside the mainstream. Their recent stuff has been a bit...Nick Hornby though....yuck! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 02:36:51 +0000 From: Tim Robinson Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Ricks Picks Re: Ricks Picks Leave Rick alone! Rick is cool! I enjoy Ricks posts because he isn't a total music snob unlike some of you. :( Best thing about this list is the range of musical backgrounds and tastes we all come from so lets keep it that way. Its alright for the rest of you to thrill us with your words of praise for thejapanese import of Slaghammer you bought, or the new 7" by Cockfight and the Farmers of Destiny but don't start getting all shirty when Rick tells us he's beenlistening to something that which the alternative press (The Wire, Q, NME) considers un-cool like Godley & Creme or whatever...Each to his own I say. The reason we are all here is because we love Wire, and If you are going to subscribe to a list about Wire who have been around for 25 years, have done punk, new wave, synth pop, indie, post-rock, avante-garde etc etc then you are gonna get a lot of people with different musical tastes and different takes on what Wire is all about which makes for an interesting and lively discussion if you keep an open mind and don't try and attack anyone who doesn't fit in with your blinkered little view of things So....in capital letters *stop dissing Rick* and respect each others differences! It takes Diff'rent strokes folks! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:00:14 +0100 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] OT David Sylvian > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: CHRISWIRE@aol.com [mailto:CHRISWIRE@aol.com] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Mdrz 2001 01:27 > An: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk; idealcopy@smoe.org; lpyusg@nottingham.ac.uk > Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] OT David Sylvian > > > Chris Ray > I have already bought my ticket for Sylvian at the > Nottingham Centre & > believe me having seen him before it is worth every > penny.Check out the > relatively new compilation CD spanning the last 20 years.It > costs about 20 > quid with a 3rd CD thrown in.He is one of the small stench > free islands you > come across in a sea of shit.I count Wire as a small cluster > of islands (made > up of the individual members).But I'm beginning to ramble so > I'll get my > coat... Hi, it'd be nice if you could tell me/us what's on this 3rd CD. This album is very expensive over here in Germany and I did not buy it yet as I thought I already have most of the songs on it. Isn't the development of DS from being a pop star with Japan to what he is today really astonishing. I still listen to their early stuff now and then. And also the solo album of Mick Karn is worth listen to. Frank from Bavaria ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:12:16 -0000 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: [idealcopy] OT Various bits Various bits: << Are there any Wire fans here who dislike Faust, Beefheart or Shellac? Faust - Have some stuff on tape, but it bores me. Capt Beefheart - Can't stand the stuff. Shellac - Recently got 1000 Hurts (yes, the vinyl does sound better than the CD - of course). Not a bad album, but the first track hits you, and the rest just don't quite match up. >>If you had to choose one non-Wire related release to listen to over & over, what would it be? >> Tough one, this, could pick something by TV Personalities, Tuxedomoon or an early Fall album, but in the end, I'd have to go with 'Not Available' by The Residents. If you haven't heard this one, I suggest you do. It is an album of stunning beauty and innovation. Everyone should have at least one Residents record in their collections, and this is the one to start with! >>What other music related lists are Ideal Copiers subscribed to?<< I tried the Virgin Prunes one, but it seemed to consist of half a dozen people who just talked amongst themselves and didn't seem to like the intrusion! I also gave Joy Division list a go, oh dear! So, apart from this, I subscribe to Smelly Tongues (Residents) and The Moles list and web-site (Residents). Paul (rezmole) www.theresidents.co.uk PS Last night, I listened to the following: TV Personalities The Painted Word Residents Eskimo Adverts Crossing the Red Sea Clock DVA Thirst (twice) Wire 154 (but only half of it) The Spizzles Spikey Dream Flowers ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #68 ******************************