From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #66 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, March 4 2001 Volume 04 : Number 066 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Why are Beef Hearts? [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Why are Beef Hearts? Ian Grant said >>>>>>>Woah! Steady! While Rick's lists are certainly the source of some welcome entertainment, that's mainly because he only occasionally lists a non-Wire related record that I wouldn't want to take a flamethrower to. It's fascinating how two people on one music-based list can have such different perspectives.<<<<<<< Well I don't rate much of it either but I don't think it's surprising that Wire fans should have different tastes. Certainly the range of music listened to by folks on this list seems to be much broader than on the other 2 interactive band-lists I'm on (Faust & Shellac). Consider this: Colin probably wouldn't be interested in hearing what was afoot at Disobey. Bruce wouldn't be very likely to listen to a Swim release unless it happened by chance. And none of them put their feet up with '154' blasting from the cabinets!!!! The only musical touchstone which I'm pretty sure united all four members of Wire was Captain Beefheart (although there must be others, maybe the first Buzzcocks EP?)... & funnily enough, in a recent poll of sorts, it emerged that the most popular album amongst Faust list members was 'Trout Mask Replica'! Are there any Wire fans here who dislike Faust, Beefheart or Shellac? If so, what was it about it you didn't like? If you had to choose one non-Wire related release to listen to over & over, what would it be? What other music related lists are Ideal Copiers subscribed to? And as for Rick's lists, if I don't have time to read them, I worked out how to move a mouse long before I got my first email (which was sent by Mr Colin Newman!) So I cast a vote for freedom of expression, whatever that might entail. Look up its Rickette Morton taking off the once over again! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine webzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 09:25:43 EST From: MrSodium@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why are Beef Hearts? In a message dated 3/3/01 7:59:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk writes: << Are there any Wire fans here who dislike Faust, Beefheart or Shellac? If so, what was it about it you didn't like?>> I became a beefheart fan after seeing the cap'n & crew navigating the shoals of sound on one of the late night US "comedy" shows (Saturday Night Live, or maybe Fridays. How times have changed--the music featured on these shows used to include some adventurous performers ). I don't remember the exact track, but the highlight and hook was at the end, when Don decided to spew some of his inventive soprano sax all over the mix. He got too close to the mike, jammed the bell of the sax onto it, and knocked it over. The band stopped playing, and someone then exclaimed "Shit" quite clearly. Quite a coda. I went out and got Doc@the Radar Station the next day. Never heard Faust. Being a cynic, I harbor a sneaking suspicion that this is one of those bands that gets name checked all the time but who is actually never listened to. Shellac is not known to me. <> Oh boy. The ultimate desert island disc question. Almost impossible to answer, but I guess I'd go with FSOL's Dead Cities. <> Cabaret Voltaire (appears dead), Meat Beat Manifesto (ditto), Orbital, FSOL, & Durutti. MrNa I don't mind a car hitting me, but I do mind a driver trying to hit me. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:28:28 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why are Beef Hearts? Graeme, >>Certainly the range of music listened to by folks on this list seems to be much broader than on the other 2 interactive band-lists I'm on (Faust & Shellac).<< Hardly surprising given the scope of Wire and related solo music - say Commercial Suicide through to In Esse - compared o the other groups you list, which are pretty one-dimensional in terms of sound. << Are there any Wire fans here who dislike Faust, Beefheart or Shellac? If so, what was it about it you didn't like?<< Beefheart is fine - though Trout Mask I find grating compared to earlier/later stuff. Too many ideas, I think. Faust - I recently bought the box set, and I have to say it's disappointing compared to Can or Neu! When it's good it's very good - but a lot of the stuff meanders (like you might imagine jazz-influenced German hippies jamming in a commune might, I suppose!). Probably enjoyed the Peel CD best of all in the box - good old BBC engineers making order from chaos! Shellac I've heard very little by. Made no real impression. >>If you had to choose one non-Wire related release to listen to over & over, what would it be? >> Difficult - probably Unknown Pleasures. JD adds a dimension of emotion which Wire go out of their way to eradicate. Both approaches are good. >>What other music related lists are Ideal Copiers subscribed to?<< Absolutely none whatsoever. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 21:48:55 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Eardrum Buzz Video Bjork is certainly in it, as is Howard Devoto . Also watch out for the bit where Bruce peers into his pocket and beckons to Graham in a conspiratorial manner. Apparently the idea here was that he was bored with the video shoot and wanted to sneak off and buy a Dome curry instead, leaving Colin to buzz the goat and Robert to drum. Then there's Graham and Colin pushing each other out the way, vying for singing space. Bruce's hat & wig & out of time effete tambourine are also a bit silly. Only pop video I've ever seen which could possibly top this daft thing is the even dafter 'In Vivo' in which Colin goes out to the park with an old hat & sandwich board to proclaim that 'The Revolution began'. Bruce observes him wryly with an eye patch, Robert glumly walks his dog and takes him home in a taxi, giving Colin a don't-I-Know-you-from-somewhere look and Graham exhausts himself doing an OTT & quite vicious impression of an American tourist in London. Colin does quite a good acting job in it I think, very convincing as a down & out preacher type! Maybe they could get him to play Bernard Sumner in the fake Hacienda flick? Pure comedy! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine webzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 00:12:38 +0100 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why are Beef Hearts? > Are there any Wire fans here who dislike Faust, > Beefheart or Shellac? > > Beefheart's Trout Mask Replica is a classic, Faust I don't know very well Shellac also. Big Black was a good band. I liked Songs about fucking. > If you had to choose one non-Wire related release to > listen to over & over, what would it be? > > Tuxedomoon's Desire. Hard to choose out of my 2000 > What other music related lists are Ideal Copiers > subscribed to? > > None ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 18:44:02 -0800 (PST) From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Why are Beef Hearts? <> I don't like any of them. <> Where should I begin? <> The The's Soul Mining <> None Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 11:24:09 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] acting musicians, was RE: OT 24HourPartyPeople - FINAL > kemps, sting, bowie, haven't seen phil collins act but i believe you :o) Sting is even worse as an actor than he is as a singer/songwriter - could you believe that? > > haven't seen adam ant act except in that episode of northern > exposure, and i > liked him in that. Haven't seen tha one, but I had enough of Mr. Ant after watching Derek Jermain's Jubilee (on the other hand, I also had enough of Mr. Jermaine after that film, but fortunately I was later introduced to his later films, which are significantly better). i think meatloaf was great in rocky horror. He was also great in Fight Club. > which brings > us to tim curry who was also great in the few things i've seen him in. Curry always struck as more of an actor than a singer, I think he also did more films than albums, didn't he? giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #66 ******************************