From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #39 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, February 5 2001 Volume 04 : Number 039 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] wire photos ["Uri Baran" ] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #38 ["squonk" ] Re: [idealcopy] vic / raincoats gig [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] raincoats? ["Alyce Ornella" ] [idealcopy] Wireviews February update [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] An afternoon in the Loft ["Andrew Lumbard" ] RE: [idealcopy] OT: Worst Band ["giluz" ] RE: [idealcopy] Re-Napster ["giluz" ] [idealcopy] OffTopic: Runk Pock ["giluz" ] Re: [idealcopy] End of text quiz- ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 11:26:01 -0800 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire photos I tried that and could only locate one of the shots, good as it was. But I did see some shots of the B-52's at the Electric Ballroom Nov11th 1979, my first gig - sigh.... - -----Original Message----- From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com To: idealcopy@smoe.org Date: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:22 PM Subject: [idealcopy] wire photos >go check out www.rockphotos.i12.com. some guy is trying to sell a set of 5 >wire photos from the electric ballroom1980 for #17.50. luckily for us he >posts 4 of the 5 up on his website. 2 nice "atmospheric" ones of colin , one >of c , b and r but best of all is a pic of graham screaming into the mike >whilst bashing a piece of metal with a lumphammer (anyone here at the gig? >what song was that on?) i printed them off and they look pretty good , make a >nice cover for a bootleg cd :-) > >maybe we should club together , buy a set and run off copies. or is that >naughty? p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 06:42:05 -0600 From: "squonk" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #38 on the other hand - the 12" mix of said song (thankfully included on the CD reissue) is brilliant, esp the f^(<#d-up backwards tape break i recall causing disintegration on the dancefloor filed next to ACR's sextant for white british dance music that works > p.s. for whoever had asked about section 25, their biggest commercial success > (in the clubs for the most part) was with the third album "from the hip," > featuring the song "looking from a hilltop" and bernard sumner production. if > your taste leans much more to joy division/early new order than to later new > order, you could probably skip this one. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:10:40 -0000 From: "scott kellock" Subject: [idealcopy] Re-Napster Go to Napster to Download Wire - Sixth ( 8.09 ) Wire - What ( 6.24 ) Wire - 12 Drill U ( 4.49 ) Wire - Underwater ( 4.11 ) All Tracks recorded May 1990 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 13:27:02 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] vic / raincoats gig Paul, Got my ticket....so I'll see you there. Who else is going? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 12:56:16 -0600 From: "Alyce Ornella" Subject: [idealcopy] raincoats? heywhats this about a raincoats show? i think i missed the original email. do tellalyce - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 12:03:04 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Wireviews February update Dear all Wireviews has been updated for February, including a review of the excellent new Silo album, Alloy. http://welcome.to/wireviews Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:13:34 -0000 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: [idealcopy] An afternoon in the Loft Continuing with that ever popular thread "You had to be there" I spent several hours in the loft this afternoon. Low and behold they were still there, my wife hadn't thrown them out; my brother-in-law returned them intact - every New Musical Express from 1/1/77 to mid Oct '80, I've a feeling '76 is somewhere. Anyway: January 13th 1979. "This record is white and shows the dirt. Its surface is injured but rarely hurt. Guitars twang, keyboards ching, a voice intones.it is 3.55: your reviewer groans. It sounds soft and squishy, I can't hear the words. Time passes how absurd. This group are overrated your correspondent demurs...sod it, I'm bored. Onwards (nice cover tho')." Charles Shaar Murray's review of Outdoor Miner. What other significant Wire dates were there, I'll see if I can dig out the review, if anyone is interested. AndyL [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:38:34 -0000 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] An afternoon in the Loft AndyL [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Interesting? As there was no attachment. What does it mean, anybody? Anything to do with a 2000 upgrade. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:19:50 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Worst Band > Can this band be produced by Jeff Lynne, maybe? > > giluz > > ////// do we really need yet another > version of abbey road? jeff has already given us about 37. and pete > waterman would be gutted at missing this one........p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:39:40 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O'Shea/Downriver In a message dated 03/02/01 01:44:49 GMT Standard Time, Robert.Cambra@HARPERCOLLINS.com writes: > I finally found a copy of Iain Sinclair's DOWNRIVER cd with incidental music > by Bruce Gilbert a few months ago. Has anyone else? The author reads his own > work here. I don't know yet quite what to make of the story by this modern > novelist but I'm intrigued and will keep going back to it. The music is some > of my favorite by Gilbert and is a great compliment to the story and > reading--so it seems. > > ///////// never heard of this. can you give some label info and tell us where you got it? thanks,p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 00:57:27 -0000 From: "scott kellock" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re-Napster - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M Campbell" To: "scott kellock" Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re-Napster > er, have you put these up? Any recomendations as to what server they're > on? - Napster is so huge.........Cheers johnc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "scott kellock" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 10:10 AM > Subject: [idealcopy] Re-Napster > > > > Go to Napster to Download > > Wire - Sixth ( 8.09 ) > > Wire - What ( 6.24 ) > > Wire - 12 Drill U ( 4.49 ) > > Wire - Underwater ( 4.11 ) > > > > All Tracks recorded May 1990 Well after trying for about 5 hours they are finally on now.I dont know much about the network etc . What do you mean and I'll find out. Well if you want to hear some rare footage you might be lucky. Let me know if anybody gets it Cheers Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:02:47 -0800 From: jasonmb@calweb.com Subject: Re:superhighways/sxxv: was [idealcopy] OT: Hook(ed) >superhighways by the other two came out around september 1999 here in the >states. i never picked it up cuz it was like $23 and i don't listen to the >first album as much as i listen to revenge and monaco or electronic. i >haven't gotten twisted tenderness yet either (for the same reason). i do >prefer hooky's solo stuff to the other, um...ur, 3. I think it only came out in the UK and Japan, I had to buy the UK import. It's much better than anything Monaco ever did, but probably unnecessary unless you're a New Order completist like me. (Though even I haven't picked up the new Monaco disc yet... think I'll wait for the price to drop before going near it.) Speaking of Twisted Tenderness: definitely consider picking it up, especially since it's finally available in the US. >p.s. for whoever had asked about section 25, their biggest commercial success >(in the clubs for the most part) was with the third album "from the hip," >featuring the song "looking from a hilltop" and bernard sumner production. if >your taste leans much more to joy division/early new order than to later new >order, you could probably skip this one. I have the From The Hip and Love & Hate reissues but still need to get the first two. I don't like From The Hip that much but Love & Hate is decent. - -- Jason Borchers jasonmb@calweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:51:19 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: OT Re: sxxv: was [idealcopy] OT: Hook(ed) In a message dated 2/4/1 10:07:39 PM, jasonmb@calweb.com writes: >I have the From The Hip and Love & Hate reissues but still need to >get the first two. I don't like From The Hip that much but Love & >Hate is decent. love & hate is a bit closer in sound (than from the hip) to the earlier works, yet still quite different. it is very much a home recording, which is probably what gives a bit of the feel that the first two had. the first lp, always now, was produced by martin hannett, and for simplicity's sake, has a similar feel to joy division (dark), pil (sparse and bass heavy), and early acr/cabaret voltaire (minimalistic with feedbacky guitar). the second album, key of dreams, is largely made up of very psychedelic jammy kinda stuff, retaining a lot of the sound from always now. some of the material came from long jam sessions that were edited down. cheers, paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:02:46 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hindman Subject: [idealcopy] End of text quiz- OK, I had a free, no-responsibility day and was able to read "Everybody loves a History" in one sitting this morning! What an awesome book! The only one that seems close to it is Armando Gallo's Genesis book. I wish more bands had books like that; ie written by people that care about them! Anyway, I had a couple of comments/questions/queries I thought I'd toss out to the group for the hell of it: Things that occured to me: - - Graham Lewis is one intense MF-er!!! - -Bruce Gilbert is right behind him! - -Malka and Colin are married, and not just in the same band. - - I am in awe that all four members of Wire can actually be together long enoughh to get an album out! - - The story behind "Up to the Sun/Vivid Riot of Red" was so amazing I got goosebumps reading it! Of the four, I probably identify with Robert more than the others. And one question arose, in one of the later chapters is a mention of a film where a character is a "VDU slave" and I have no idea what that means! Can anyone enlighten me? T I A RJH __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:00:56 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Worst Band > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of PaulRabjohn@aol.com > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 12:20 AM > To: giluz@nettalk.com; idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Worst Band > > > > Can this band be produced by Jeff Lynne, maybe? > > > > giluz > > > > ////// do we really need yet another > > version of abbey road? jeff has already given us about 37. and pete > > waterman would be gutted at missing this one........p I think the fact that we don't need another Abbey Rd. on our hands shows Lynne's the best man for us: This band is The Worst Band, i.e. it should not only be composed from the most awful and redundant players, but it should also make the most awful and redundant music. However, I'm perfectly willing to consider somone else for the role of producer. An engineer is needed as well (the 2nd worst engineer can be the tape operator). Any suggestions? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:05:58 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re-Napster If anyone can put them up somewhere on the web I'd be really happy. Couldn't find them in Napster now. You could also give us the Napster user's name you downloaded it from (and/or yours as well, since you have them now) and we can look for them that way. giluz > > > > > Go to Napster to Download > > > Wire - Sixth ( 8.09 ) > > > Wire - What ( 6.24 ) > > > Wire - 12 Drill U ( 4.49 ) > > > Wire - Underwater ( 4.11 ) > > > > > > All Tracks recorded May 1990 > > > Well after trying for about 5 hours they are finally on now.I > dont know much > about the network etc . What do you mean and I'll find out. > Well if you want to hear some rare footage you might be lucky. > Let me know if anybody gets it > Cheers Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:18:33 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] OffTopic: Runk Pock Just to summarise this thread (or maybe reopen it), we've been talking for days about Punk Rock from an evolutionary perspective, where everyone was giving his own version of what came first, which band was the most influential, American Punk vs. British Punk, etc. Just read in Cale's autobiography about his dismay at the cult status of the Velvet Underground. Apart from the fact that he didn't understand how such an influential band could sell so little, he thought that rock music wasn't about influences but about the current moment. This is basically a Punk attitude, and it kinda seemed weird to me that not one of the old punksters in this list came on with this line of argument. Can punk really be understood as an evolutionary step? Did punk bands really listen to all those pre-punk artists before starting making music? Which were more influential - the Velvets or the Stooges (hey - I didn't forget Iggy this time),as idols, or the Pink Floyd and ELP as an example of what you should not do with music? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 01:13:29 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] End of text quiz- > And one question arose, in one of the later chapters > is a mention of a film where a character is a "VDU > slave" and I have no idea what that means! Can anyone > enlighten me? > I think it's a term used more in Europe than here in the 'states. I think it stands for Video Display Unit - what we would call a video monitor. Am I close? Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #39 ******************************