From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #24 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, January 24 2001 Volume 04 : Number 024 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Silo - Alloy ["giluz" ] [idealcopy] OT Rough Trade 25 Years [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] [idealcopy] CN on Crammed [Wireviews ] AW: [idealcopy] OT Rough Trade 25 Years [Woerner Frank ] RE: [idealcopy] Re:OT water ["giluz" ] [idealcopy] OT PLUG Awards: MUTE Nominated [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #23 [Michael Flaherty ] [idealcopy] Orr [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= ] RE: [idealcopy] Minimal Compact Singles ["giluz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:50:22 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] Silo - Alloy The new Silo's officially out on ~swim's site: check out http://www.swimhq.com/cds/wm29_0.html gilux ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:34:57 +0000 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: [idealcopy] OT Rough Trade 25 Years I think I'm off to the Tindersticks gig. Don't know about the others as yet. I haven't heard of half of these venues??? Chris. ++++++++++++++++++ Sent by Rough Trade: We have confirmed the following events for the 25th Anniversary shows. If you want to keeep up to date on all additions and news go to the Official Rough Trade 25 Years website at http://www.deo.com/roughtrade Union Chapel Thursday 1/3/01 Mark Mulcahy, Mark Eitzel, Stuart Moxham, Darren Hefner, Echoboy, Wisdom of Harry Union Chapel Friday 2/3/01 Monica Queen, Eileen Rose, Ana (Raincoats), Anjali Union Chapel Saturday 3/3/01 Vic Goddard/Nectarine no.9/Gareth Sager , The Raincoats, The Butterflies of Love ICA Saturday 24/2/01 Jega, Team Dyobi, Freeform, Gescom Djs (Main Room) and Warp Dj (Bar Area) 93 ft East Tuesday 27/2/01 Bis, The Pastels, Pram 93 ft East Wednesday 28/2/01 Soul Static Sound System, Tikiman, Tarwater, Stephan Schneider Darryl 93 ft East Thursday 1/3/01 Matmos, People Like Us, Life Without Buildings Tabernacle Sunday 25/2/01 Tindersticks, Tiger Lillies Dingwalls Wednesday 28/2/01 The Avalanches NHAC Saturday 24/2/01 Shifty Disco ShowcaseThe Rock of Travolta Nought Morbius RoTa Afternoon Cargo Monday 26/2/01 Live: Jeb Loy Nichols, Grand Drive Djs: Soul Jazz vs Pressure Sounds Cargo Tuesday 27/2/01 Live: January, Montgolfiller Brothers, Headshoppe Djs : Poptones Dj Crew Cargo Thursday 1/3/01 Lemon Jelly Cargo Friday 2/3/01 Live: The Bees, Shawn Lee Djs: WOS / We Love You Djs Black Lodge Dj / Live The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 04:52:35 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] CN on Crammed > >wondering if anyone knew where to get a hold > >of Colin Newman's Commercial > >Suicide and "It Seems" on cd format. > > They're not in print. If you > Are you sure? The Crammed catalog lists it They've been out of print for some time. Crammed list practically everything they've ever done on their Web site, but quite a lot of it is unavailable. The likelihood of a repressing, although rumoured in the mid-'90s, is very, very unlikely. If you want either of these albums, your best bet is to get them on vinyl, as that's quite easy to find. Hmm... I really must get around to writing that buyer's guide for the Web site. :) Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:27:01 +0100 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] OT Rough Trade 25 Years > Chris. > ++++++++++++++++++ > Sent by Rough Trade: > > We have confirmed the following events for the 25th > Anniversary shows. If > you want to keeep up to date on all additions and news go to > the Official > Rough Trade 25 Years website at http://www.deo.com/roughtrade > > Stuart Moxham, Cool. But that'd be only one third of the Young Marble Giants ... ;-(( > The Raincoats My all-time-favourite girlie band ... besides "Girls at our Best". But that's to far to drive from Bavaria .. ;-(( Frank ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:39:13 +0000 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: [idealcopy] OT ASilverMtZ For those interested: I saw A Silver Mount Zion last night at the Union Chapel. Boy, it's cold in there. They've now got heaters dangling from the ceiling but the guy on the double-bass still had to keep blowing on his fingers. ASMZ were excellent. I'm really sorry I missed Godspeed now. A good night. I am constantly amazed and bewildered my people who attend "quiet" gigs. For 20 minutes I had two "Sex In The City/Friends/Ally McBeal" types giggling in my ear. If anyone taped the gig it will sound like it was recorded in a hospital. 80% of the crowd had *serious* bronchial problems. At crucial musical moments the sound was ripped open by several cans of Red Stripe ring pulls. Beers were slammed down on pews like winning domino hands. Double-six !BANG! Is it just me? It was a good gig but maybe next time I shall put the CD and open my window to the traffic. Chris. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:24:05 -0600 From: "dMc" Subject: [idealcopy] Re:OT water water is one of my favorite david cunningham recordings - it is very peaceful and liquid indeed d ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:01:19 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re:OT water > water is one of my favorite david cunningham recordings - it is very > peaceful and liquid indeed > d Actually, I don't know much about D Cunningham apart from the Flying Lizards, which are one of my favourite 80's bands. Can anyone give me a brief DC biography/discography? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:51:37 +0000 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: [idealcopy] OT PLUG Awards: MUTE Nominated Sent by Mute Records. A chance to vote for Steve Albini, Add N to (X), Dan Miller or if you want Coldplay. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ PLUG 2000 Independent Music Awards Official Nominees Response to PLUG has been great--We totally appreciate everyone around the independent music world who have participated with their nominations and votes for this year's PLUG 2000 Indie Music Awards. Now, though, It's Time To Hear From The Fans--We've now entered the next phase of the PLUG awards by announcing the PLUG People's Choice ballot. Thousands and thousands of votes have already begun spilling in from indie music fans all over. Many of the labels, bands, sites, rags, and stations have been posting fan-ballot links on their sites and in emails to their fans inviting them to weigh in. We just wanted to make you aware of MUTE fans' opportunity to make themselves heard this year--and invite them to cast a vote for air and the doves. We'll keep you posted on all the results. Fans can cast their fan-vote at Votes must be submitted before midnight, January 23rd. Both the PLUG 2000 Music Awards & the PLUG People's Choice Awards will be announced January 26th. Note: For more info on PLUG and this year's voting process, as well as info on how to get into next year's PLUG Music Awards which will run simultaneous with Sundance next year in Park City go to: http://www.plugawards.com/About_Plug2.htm, or contact PLUG at info@plugawards.com The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:12:05 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #23 >From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tunes for the work week! > >i just bought "orr" off ebay ; any good? p I like it a lot. A set of fairly short electric guitar-noise things, some w/ a "felt" beat in there, some w/out. I guess my usual "Bruce disclaimer for those who hate avant garde" applies here, but only for the very squimish ... this one is pretty "musical" (for lack of a better term). >Subject: [idealcopy] Radiator Plane Bang > >>Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 14:37:03 EST >>From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com >><< "GILBERT, BRUCE / RAUM" Radiator Plane Bang >> 7" Ltd 2.99 >> >> >>//// anyone heard this? any comments? p > >I have it. It's a very nice package that will only appeal to those of us >who love Bruce's most experimental side. The title is fairly descriptive. >It's not as harsh as In Esse. That's about all I can do. > >Michael Flaherty I listened to this again last night. It occurred to me that this is "ambient" taken to an extreme ... pure atmosphere. >From: "Cambra, Robert" >It was suggested recently that perhaps ten percent of the people on this >list have to hear everything Bruce Gilbert does. I'm one the ten percent Me too. But I have noticed that no one ever complained that you need a turntable to hear the complete Gilbert. :) and >I wonder, could someone point me to a copy of the CD from the Oxford MOMA >Audible Light exhibit Gilbert and Lewis contributed to? Non UK folk >interested in the CD from the exhibit are instructed on the Oxford site to >e-mail for ordering instructions, but Ive had no response since I did >months ago.Thanks,RobertSan Francisco Hmm... I followed the instructions (while the show was still on)and got the CD (for the record, B's piece is about a minute long and G's is on the first Ocsid cd, but anyway ....). The gentelman I dealt w/ was very helpful, but unfortunately his address is long gone. Tonight I'll check my copy for any contact information. If I find anything I'll post it tomorrow. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:09:39 -0600 From: "dMc" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:OT water everything you want to know (and more) at: http://home.netcom.com/~logan5/ there is a link to cunningham's piano records as well - ----- Original Message ----- From: "giluz" To: "IdealCopy" ; "dMc" Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:01 AM Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re:OT water > > water is one of my favorite david cunningham recordings - it is very > > peaceful and liquid indeed > > d > > Actually, I don't know much about D Cunningham apart from the Flying > Lizards, which are one of my favourite 80's bands. Can anyone give me a > brief DC biography/discography? > > giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:46:29 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Orr >>>>> i just bought "orr" off ebay ; any good? p >>>>Keep the volume low when you play "Minute Hold". Otherwise it's OK. No. Play it as loud as you can. It sounds very good loud. As does the rest of it. great CD IMO. essential listening for all who liked 'Ab Ovo'! Luyhats! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine webzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:38:24 -0000 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Quiet gig etiquette breachers (was ASilverMtZ) - ----- Original Message ----- From: > !BANG! > > Is it just me? It was a good gig but maybe next time I shall put the CD and > open my window to the traffic. > Preach on, Brother Chris! It's not just you. I was at an acoustic set by Kurt Wagner a few weeks ago which was severely marred by people tripping in and out, coughing and spluttering and the like. Even the mild mannered performer was moved to comment, in his extremely polite way. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:42:36 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Orr ////// thanks for the hints , i look forward to it. i got the kendall turner overdrive album, in the same series , that was ok but didn't blow me away. the MOMA disc was pretty good , i bought a handful and have used all bar one as swops so i'm afraid i have no more to give. maybe if you gave MOMA a call? referring to another thread , ebay/gemm have regular availability on "it seems " cd/vinyl and commercial suicide vinyl. you won't struggle too badly on those , but don't expect a CS cd to fall into your lap for $3...... p No. Play it as loud as you can. It sounds very good loud. As does the rest of it. great CD IMO. essential listening for all who liked 'Ab Ovo'! Luyhats! Graeme ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:40:12 -0500 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Minimal Compact Singles > question for you ; are any of the minimal singles worth tracking > down (good > b-sides / different versions etc)? the only one I have (en route > from ebay) > is "immigrant song" but I guess there are others. any thoughts?p > There's another one which I have and it's worth getting if you can find it > . It's a 12" remix single with "Nil Nil" at 45 rpm on side one (I love > this) and "Inner Station" and "The Traitor" at 33 rpm on the other; all > tracks non album versions. > > Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:37:54 +1100 From: "Bigpond" Subject: Fw: [idealcopy] Re: Wire animals I thought Bruce Gilbert came across as an elephant to me but i have just had a vision in my mind that he could be some chimpanzee or an ape.. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Spencer" To: ; Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 10:36 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Wire animals > Jeff2f said > >>>>I hate to say this - but both Rose and I thought > Lewis in Chicago last > year had a certain Bruce Willis-ness to him... > > I can see this, but could we say Bruce Willis meets Graham Norton?? > (For non UK listers, camp, outre post-pub friday night telly presenter > on channel 4). > > Don't know what J Beuys looked like - any websites that might tell me? > > >Robert reminds me of an eagle, and Bruce seems vaguely > >are like art times. I swear Colin starts to look as > >if he's mutating into a duck on the ATP webcast of > >'Drill' like some buddhist stunt... > But which animal is Lewis? A bear? > > Bruce Gilbert has always reminded me of fox - not in the Wayne's world > sense, but a cuddly, chicken-strangling fox. > Colin is, I'm sorry to say, quite definitely a bullfrog, Robert most > certainly an Eagle (good luck to the boys at Anfield on Wedsnesday) and > Graham is a bullock. > > Just got 8 Times through the post from 4AD - only ordered on Thursday, > so hats off to the mail order people there. Listened once and on the > strength of that, it sounds worth having for any moderate to keen Dome > enthusiast. > > Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:40:23 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Minimal Compact Singles > > There's another one which I have and it's worth getting if you > can find it > > . It's a 12" remix single with "Nil Nil" at 45 rpm on side one (I love > > this) and "Inner Station" and "The Traitor" at 33 rpm on the other; all > > tracks non album versions. > > > > Robert Fucking hell - I must have this! All three are great songs (especially Inner Station - one of Minimal's highest peaks). I'll have a look at GEMM/e-bay. Does it have any particular title? giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #24 ******************************