From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #23 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, January 23 2001 Volume 04 : Number 023 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Minimal Compact / Colin on Crammed [Mark Short ] [idealcopy] [ot] Vic Goddard gig! [John Roberts ] Re: [idealcopy] [ot] Vic Goddard gig! [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] [ot] Vic Goddard gig! [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Tunes for the work week! [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #22 [Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Minimal Compact / Colin on Crammed giluz wrote: > > Does anyone know of the David Cunningham MTM 31 - Water? I remember something of that name being released in the early 90's. It's marked on the Piano Records website as an impending (re)release. If memory serves, Water is the soundtrack to a Channel 4 documentary. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 03:18:43 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin Newman/ Wire Rarities This would be The Legend. Sometime early Creation Records recording artist - first single on Creation was by him I think - and Melody Maker journo - he was at the Word studios when Huggy Bear ran riot. Forever lived in the shadow of James Brown's Attack on Bzag fanzine imo. John > Also does anyone know who wrote the tribute on the > back of the "Wire Play Pop" > album. > Cheers > Scott Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:36:23 +0000 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Wire animals Jeff2f said >>>>I hate to say this - but both Rose and I thought Lewis in Chicago last year had a certain Bruce Willis-ness to him... I can see this, but could we say Bruce Willis meets Graham Norton?? (For non UK listers, camp, outre post-pub friday night telly presenter on channel 4). Don't know what J Beuys looked like - any websites that might tell me? >Robert reminds me of an eagle, and Bruce seems vaguely >are like art times. I swear Colin starts to look as >if he's mutating into a duck on the ATP webcast of >'Drill' like some buddhist stunt... But which animal is Lewis? A bear? Bruce Gilbert has always reminded me of fox - not in the Wayne's world sense, but a cuddly, chicken-strangling fox. Colin is, I'm sorry to say, quite definitely a bullfrog, Robert most certainly an Eagle (good luck to the boys at Anfield on Wedsnesday) and Graham is a bullock. Just got 8 Times through the post from 4AD - only ordered on Thursday, so hats off to the mail order people there. Listened once and on the strength of that, it sounds worth having for any moderate to keen Dome enthusiast. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 03:41:09 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: [idealcopy] [ot] Vic Goddard gig! I know there's a few Vic fans on here.... apologies for cross posting. Note: forwarded message attached. Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ X-Apparently-To: johnroberts_stats@yahoo.com via web127 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost2.dircon.co.uk (194.112.32.66) by mta523.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2001 09:21:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from bh-cw134-247.pool.dircon.co.uk (bh-cw134-247.pool.dircon.co.uk [194.112.63.247]) by mailhost2.dircon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA84658; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:10:33 GMT Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20010119095907.009e0b00@popmail.dircon.co.uk> X-Sender: j-d@popmail.dircon.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:10:39 +0000 To: newsletter@motionrecords.com From: Motion Records Subject: Vic gig! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Content-Length: 503 Vic Gig: Vic will be playing a one off gig with Nectarine Number 9. This collaboration will take place at: Rough Trade 25th anniversary show. Tues 27th Feb 93 Feet East .... a cool new venue in Brick Lane, London More details to follow..... James Dutton Motion Records South West London United Kingdom +++++++++++++++++++++ Website: http://www.motionrecords.com email: jd@motionrecords.com FAX 020 8767 0638 R.A.W. Member #1240 +++++++++++++++++++++ http://www.ultimatecharts.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:38:08 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] Vic Goddard gig! //// well vic is right up there on my "people i've loved for years but never seen" list. might try to get to that. does he play a retro set? p Vic Gig: Vic will be playing a one off gig with Nectarine Number 9. This collaboration will take place at: Rough Trade 25th anniversary show. Tues 27th Feb 93 Feet East .... a cool new venue in Brick Lane, London More details to follow..... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:00:29 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] Vic Goddard gig! Paul, << //// well vic is right up there on my "people i've loved for years but never seen" list. might try to get to that. does he play a retro set? p >> I saw Vic twice - once in full-on Subway Sect mode, supporting the Buzzcocks in Blackpool (this was the second punk gig i ever saw, after the Adverts in Preston) and in 1981 in lounge lizard jazz mode, sandwiched implausibly between the Birthday Party and Bauhaus! I think he does some oldies when he's playing as Vic Godard. He also plays as Subway Sect from time to time. A friend of mine actually works with Vic at the Post office (his real name is Vic Napper, trivia fans). He has a locker full of SS CDs and I managed to get a freebie, direct from the man himself.... I bottled out of asking if he had a vacancy for a bassist.... I'm definitely up for the gig, though the timing couldn't be worse...I'm supposed to be in Geneva that day and the next.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:03:04 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hindman Subject: [idealcopy] Tunes for the work week! Here's the latest and greatest! One item of note is the last album which I was inspired to buy from the responses on this list....bought it yesterday and am anxious to check it out! hasta luego todos! RJH Laurie Anderson - Mr Heartbreak Kate Bush - The Dreaming Beck - Mellow Gold Cocteau Twins - The Pink Opaque The Damned - Light at the End of the Tunnel Brian Eno - Before and After Science Gong - You INXS - Listen Like Thieves KMFDM - Agogo Love and Rockets - Express Oasis - Definitely Maybe Radiohead - The Bends The Residents - Fingerprince Simple Minds - Sparkle in the Rain Skinny Puppy - Rabies UK - Night After Night XTC - Black Sea King Crimson/ProjeKt 4 - West Coast Live Xorcist - Bitches EP Genesis - Seconds Out Gilbert/Hampson/Kendall - ORR The Fall - The Frenz Experiment Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:19:53 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] Vic Goddard gig! I saw Vic twice - once in full-on Subway Sect mode, supporting the Buzzcocks in Blackpool (this was the second punk gig i ever saw, after the Adverts in Preston) and in 1981 in lounge lizard jazz mode, sandwiched implausibly between the Birthday Party and Bauhaus! //// my brother saw the latter tour at aylesbury and rates it as one of his all-time best. me , i'm jealous. I'm definitely up for the gig, though the timing couldn't be worse...I'm supposed to be in Geneva that day and the next.... //// london on a tuesday is not the easiest for me but i'll give it a try.p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:52:10 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] Vic Goddard gig! Paul, << //// my brother saw the latter tour at aylesbury and rates it as one of his all-time best. me , i'm jealous. >> It was a great gig (Nottinham Rock City), though I've seen all three bands play better....Bauhaus at Dudley JBs (around the time of the first album) was stunning. I saw the Birthday Party at least five times after that. Best was probably the Venue gig (most of which is on the live album) with Cocteau Twins supporting. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:23:37 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tunes for the work week! i just bought "orr" off ebay ; any good? p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:14:09 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #22 >From: "scott kellock" >Subject: [idealcopy] Colin Newman/ Wire Rarities > >Having looked out my vinyl wire collection to give it an airing I was >wondering if anyone knew where to get a hold of Colin Newman's Commercial >Suicide and "It Seems" on cd format. Ebay, GEMM ... places that sell used cds. They're not in print. If you want the bonus track on "It Seems" make sure the seller is aware that there needs to be 11 tracks on THE DISC. As discussed here recently, some US editions have only 10 tracks, even though the sleve lists all 11--mine for example. :( Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:19:28 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Radiator Plane Bang >Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 14:37:03 EST >From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com ><< "GILBERT, BRUCE / RAUM" Radiator Plane Bang > 7" Ltd 2.99 >> > >//// anyone heard this? any comments? p I have it. It's a very nice package that will only appeal to those of us who love Bruce's most experimental side. The title is fairly descriptive. It's not as harsh as In Esse. That's about all I can do. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:25:23 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tunes for the work week! Excerpts from mail: 22-Jan-101 Re: [idealcopy] Tunes for t.. by PaulRabjohn@aol.com > i just bought "orr" off ebay ; any good? p Keep the volume low when you play "Minute Hold". Otherwise it's OK. (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "Years of dealing with your kind has taught me patience." -Cecil Adams ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:39:57 -0500 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Water Gilbert Audible Light Made to Measure Giluz asks: "Does anyone know of the David Cunningham MTM 31 - Water?" Yes!--this is a wonderful album. Robert Fripp is on one track and the whole album is highly recommended. Also, a year ago or so I had the same question about the Colin Newman Made to Measure disc; someone came forward to say that though it is listed as one of the releases it was never issued. PaulRabjohn asks: << "GILBERT, BRUCE / RAUM" Radiator Plane Bang 7" Ltd 2.99 >> //// anyone heard this?any comments? p Yes, I have this. The Bruce Gilbert side doesnt get me too excited but the Raum side does. Gilbert fans should check out, of course. It was suggested recently that perhaps ten percent of the people on this list have to hear everything Bruce Gilbert does. I'm one the ten percent and I wonder, could someone point me to a copy of the CD from the Oxford MOMA Audible Light exhibit Gilbert and Lewis contributed to? Non UK folk interested in the CD from the exhibit are instructed on the Oxford site to e-mail for ordering instructions, but Ive had no response since I did months ago. Thanks, Robert San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:53:19 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #22 On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Michael Flaherty wrote: > >From: "scott kellock" > >Subject: [idealcopy] Colin Newman/ Wire Rarities > > > >Having looked out my vinyl wire collection to give it an airing I was > >wondering if anyone knew where to get a hold of Colin Newman's Commercial > >Suicide and "It Seems" on cd format. > > Ebay, GEMM ... places that sell used cds. They're not in print. If you Are you sure? The Crammed catalog lists it (www.crammed.be, as someone else mentioned) - but I can't quite tell whether they're simply listing every last thing they ever issued or what's currently available. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Sting, where is thy death?:: __Alan Gray_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:52:09 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #22 Are you sure? The Crammed catalog lists it (www.crammed.be, as someone else mentioned) - but I can't quite tell whether they're simply listing every last thing they ever issued or what's currently available. ///the crammed mail order catalogue is years out of date ; those colin cd's are long long unavailable.p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #23 ******************************