From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #19 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, January 19 2001 Volume 04 : Number 019 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Off-Topic (???) - Andy Gill on Krautrock ["giluz" ] [idealcopy] OT: New King Crimson [Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Off-Topic (???) - Andy Gill on Krautrock http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb/krautrock/mojo-krautrock.html - a site with a few articles / interviews by Andy Gill on Krautrock in general and Can/Faust/Kraftwerk in particular. This is very interesting and well worth a visit (the Faust piece is particularly good, including hillarious descriptions of the kind of life they led as a commune in Wumme back in the 70's). There's also an interview with Eno on Krautrock. Check it out. cheers, giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:33:58 +0000 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: lookalikes/ Manscape I was watching the Mark Thomas comedy product last night on Channel 4 (for US listers - he's like Michael Moore but swears more). Suddenly I realised - he and Mr Newman were separated at birth! MT seems to have eaten the more pies of the two since then, but otherwise I found the similarities startling. Anyone else see this/ think of any other plausible lookalikes? Good musical/travel symbiotic moment this morning listening to CN's `Voice' (notably the track FAQ) while in a coach going out of London along the Westway, looking out over the city on a bright clear and frosty day, with the towerblocks and the church spires puncturing the skyline, and watching the planes nearly colliding overhead. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:29:39 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] OT: New King Crimson >> King Crimson - Heavy Construction > >Is that a new one, or did you rename contrukction of light, or whatever >their last album's name was. > >giluz It's a 3 CD set (cheaply priced) from their recent tour. Discs 1 & 2 make up a typical performance (taken from numerous sources); disc 3 is additional improvs ... something the current quartet is pretty good at. I liked it much more than C of L, and so, it seems, did most people (on the Fripp list) who liked the studio album, but I don't believe it converted anyone w/ reservations regarding KC 2000. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:45:14 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] I saved Oto-MIT (Yes I did) mit Fall-ah! Been on my travels - only as far as Liverpool - for Otomo Yoshihide's bash - cymbals on turntable; mind shattering head shifting Sachiko sine waves; top notch improv; Taku Sugimoto playing a broom w/violin bow; a boring Okinawan folk singer and a slow building finale of 2 ensemble compositions played at the same time - well worth hearing twice I expect! They hit Manc tonight so no lack of cutting edge sounds in the city this evening! In Manchester record shop before coach, picked up a copy of 'DECAY' compilation on Ash International. The 2 stand out tracks are from Fennesz & Edvard Graham Lewis, whose 'I saved MIT (Yes I did)' is anchored around a raw, addictive helicoptering loop with much repetition of the 'Yes I did' sample - if you are interested in Ocsid genesis then please do check it out! As for the Fall, I say start at the prime Brix albums (Wonderful & Frightening World, This Nation's Saving Grace, Bend Sinister) and move out in both directions... no one who likes rock'n'roll (with a brain that works) can deny their splendiforous bulbs or the unique proletariat spectral visions of 'man with chip' Mark Eggbert Smith. Brix Smith wrote the best rollin' rocky guitar riffs of the 80's. I was quite very very disappointed that she left. Other must-hears are 'Hex Enduction Hour' & 'Perverted By Language' for 2 drummer 10 min rantathons (for there is one light left and that is the science law... what's a computer? Snow on Easter Sunday - Jesus Christ in reverse), 'Infotainment Scan' for how to do 'glam wreck' techno rock hybridisation well, 'Live At the Witch Trials' for genuine no sell out anti-stupidpunk action, 'Dragnet' for definition of 'lo-fi' and death of any lingering traces of inoffensive cap touching choc stock attitude and 'Grotesque' & 'Slates' for anti-pop inferno of alternate northern histories in the park. Best compilation is 'Palace of Swords Reversed'. Looks like I could do a much better job of sleevenotes than the dull fawning crap that their shoddy demo comps usually get plastered with. There is a tribute to The Fall on my website in the 'Reviews' section. It won't leave you much the wiser, but may just get you even more curious... So come all ye Fall botherers, in which song does the phrase 'Roll up for the underpants show' occur? Those flowers take them away, They're only funeral decoration, Graeme ===== Cracked Machine webzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:15:03 -0000 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: lookalikes/ Manscape - ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Spencer > I was watching the Mark Thomas comedy product last night on Channel 4 > (for US listers - he's like Michael Moore but swears more). Suddenly I > realised - he and Mr Newman were separated at birth! MT seems to have > eaten the more pies of the two since then, but otherwise I found the > similarities startling. > > Anyone else see this/ think of any other plausible lookalikes? > There was a car add not too long ago (not sure which) but they'd be one ad with a woman (French accent) going on about 'size matters' and one with a bloke in a posh flat going on about 'extra v-v-voom'. The bloke looked like Colin Newman c.1979 but with a c.2000 haircut. One of the music papers once came out with something along the lines of 'Lewis is Arnold Schwarzenneger to Newman's Sylvester McCoy.' Make of that what you will. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:19:20 -0500 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Taking the 'Fall' >Infotainment Scan is highly regarded. By whom? :) The only good tracks there are 2 or 3 covers - all originals are boring to hell. For a newbie the good place to start with The Fall would be the A Sides compilation (also referred to by number) and "Seminal Live" concert. Which brings me to a question - other than "The Fall" - the band and "Killing An Arab" - the song - what are the other musical references to Camus? Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:05:59 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Taking the 'Fall' Syarzhuk, << Which brings me to a question - other than "The Fall" - the band and "Killing An Arab" - the song - what are the other musical references to Camus? >> Adrian Borland's pre-Sound punk band was called The Outsiders. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:07:12 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: lookalikes/ Manscape << > Anyone else see this/ think of any other plausible lookalikes? >> Bruce circa 1979 and Robert Forster out of the Go-Betweens circa 1989 Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:01:55 -0500 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Fall into Heavy ConstrucKtion King Crimsons "Heavy ConstruKction" is a newer album than "The Construction of Light"--three CDs of live material, one just of improves, from last year and a forty minute video. Its great; makes the studio album kinda pointless. I guess I shouldnt be but Ive always been a bit baffled by how fondly The Fall are regarded on this list. Am I missing something? I saw them once in the early/middle 80s, at the same place I first saw Wire, at the I Beam in San Francisco. Their whole set was--as you Brits say--pants, until the encore when they did "Totally Wired," which was a fine ending to a bad show. The Fall have always struck me as a band that no matter how long they are around will sound like theyve all picked up instruments for the first time two months ago and got together as a band just last week. Is that part of their charm? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:11:02 EST From: MrSodium@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall into Heavy ConstrucKtion Robert.Cambra@HARPERCOLLINS.com asks: <> Not to put too fine a point on it, but the Fall are an acquired taste to say the least; how anyone can be a completist about them is beyond comprehension. I got "Totally Wired" on 45 when it first came out and was sort of interested. A whole LP of shambolic performance and monotonous ranting? No thanks. I learned that lesson pretty quickly. It's a chore to sit thru more than three songs in a row. As to "pants," that's another one I'd like an explanation on. Here in the states, it's usually considered a good thing to get into someone's pants. I guess our cousins across the pond don't feel the same way. MrNa NP: Roxy Boxy, disc 3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:10:36 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: lookalikes/ Manscape On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, ian barrett wrote: > From: Howard Spencer > > > Anyone else see this/ think of any other plausible lookalikes? > > > One of the music papers once came out with something along the lines of > 'Lewis is Arnold Schwarzenneger to Newman's Sylvester McCoy.' Make of that > what you will. I hate to say this - but both Rose and I thought Lewis in Chicago last year had a certain Bruce Willis-ness to him... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::Being young, carefree, having your whole life ahead of you, ::dancing the night away to celebrate... ::oh, and the untimely death of Jackson Pollock. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:12:04 +1100 From: "Bigpond" Subject: Fw: [idealcopy] Re: lookalikes/ Manscape Me and a friend spotted a modern day Bruce Gilbert lookalike waiting at a bustop in Newtown,Sydney.He had cropped grey hair,glasses and a large nose. Alex - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: lookalikes/ Manscape > << > Anyone else see this/ think of any other plausible lookalikes? >> > > Bruce circa 1979 and Robert Forster out of the Go-Betweens circa 1989 > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:16:48 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Taking the 'Fall' On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Syarzhuk Kazachenka wrote: > Which brings me to a question - other than "The Fall" - the band and > "Killing An Arab" - the song - what are the other musical references to > Camus? Tuxedomoon had a track called "L'Etranger" - and Ragnar Kvaran (named after its main writer), a band active in Ann Arbor, MI when I was an undergrad at the U of Michigan in the early '80s, began a song by quoting the opening of that novel (I believe) in French. My obscurity quotient for the day fulfilled. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::In terms of the conjunctures of cultures, [LA is] less like a salad bowl ::and more like a TV dinner with those little aluminium barriers keeping ::all the vegetables in their places. __Catherine Ann Driscoll__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:13:48 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?V29lcm5lciBGcmFuaw==?= Subject: [idealcopy] =?UTF-8?B?QVc6IFtpZGVhbGNvcHldIE9mZi1Ub3BpYyAoPz8/KSAtIEFuZHkg? = =?UTF-8?B?R2lsbCBvbiBLcmF1dHJvY2s=?= Hi, is this Andy Gill of Gang of Four ? Frank JC -----UrsprC Von: giluz [mailto:giluz@nettalk.com] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2001 15:33 > An: IdealCopy > Betreff: [idealcopy] Off-Topic (???) - Andy Gill on Krautrock > > > http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb/krautrock/mojo-krautrock.html - a > site with a > few articles / interviews by Andy Gill on Krautrock in general and > Can/Faust/Kraftwerk in particular. This is very interesting > and well worth a > visit (the Faust piece is particularly good, including hillarious > descriptions of the kind of life they led as a commune in > Wumme back in the > 70's). There's also an interview with Eno on Krautrock. Check it out. > > cheers, > giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #19 ******************************