From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #11 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, January 12 2001 Volume 04 : Number 011 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V4 #10 ["Wilson, Paul" ] [idealcopy] Wire Play Pop [Trevor Dutton ] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #10 ["dMc" ] Re: [idealcopy] Cardboard Manscape [John Roberts ] [idealcopy] OT RADIO3 [Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk] Re: [idealcopy] Wire Play Pop ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] Japanese CD's ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] Japanese CD's [fernando ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire Play Pop/On Returning [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #7 [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Cutting the Manscape ["ian barrett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:46:13 -0000 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V4 #10 My first CD was a freebie given away with the Spiral Scratch Magazine. It is a 3" disc with 4 tracks (including Tame by the Pixies). I then purchased a CD player and on the same day Talk Talk Talk by The Psychedelic Furs (one I'd always liked but never bought on vinyl). I too have the cardboard Manscape, which I enjoy in it's entirety. The whole thing fits together as a package quite nicely. Howard Specer may not like Torch It! very much, but it was a great song to pogo to, on the Manscape tour!! I remember everyone getting very sweaty when they played it! Paul (rezmole) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:46:56 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V4 #10 >Howard > Specer may not like Torch It! very much, but it was a great song > to pogo to, > on the Manscape tour!! I remember everyone getting very sweaty when they > played it! > Manscape's my least favourite Wire album. It actually caused me to lose interest in the band for a few years after that. Recent discussions here caused me to have another listen after many years. It still sucks, I think, the only exception being Torch It! The song does have its problems but the drums+voice are so good they cover up for all the rest. It does sound like a great live song, wish I could have seen it. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:46:24 -0000 From: Trevor Dutton Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Play Pop Just to put in a brief vote for this - it was my first Wire purchase just because it was cheap and I thought I should check them out, as they were always getting namechecked by my faves in the Melody Maker (I guess this was in 1985, just in time for me to get into the reformed version while working backwards to PF). Wire Play Pop is still the only place I have the single version of Outdoor Miner with the sublime piano solo over the crunchy oohs - total bliss, just thinking about it .... Trev ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:50:41 -0600 From: "dMc" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #10 > Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway > Police - Ghost in the Machine > Jean Michel Jarre - Zoolook > Pink Floyd - Meddle 2 of these reside on my shelves today thread-initiator d "be sure to loop" - ooioo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:52:49 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It Seems on CD On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > << the "10 famous belgians" pictures. which are something everyone should > have :-) p >> > > Rino Christ is my fave... Best musician's name. Ever. Indeed - although American session geetarist Gurf Morlix is up there...named by aliens, I think. And wasn't there a punk drummer who called himself Curtis Interruptus? There should've been if not... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reviews.html ::flag on the moon...how'd it get there?:: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:09:59 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #7 From what I remember of my Rough Trade days the cardboard version was meant to be a limited edition only available to Chain With No Name shops (i.e. independent retailers with established records of being able to shift obscure stuff.) As sometimes happens in these instances (think of how 'rare' Outdoor Miner is on white vinyl) the limited edition is probably more generally available in the UK than the version in the normal plastic case. I have no idea if the card version with poster was released in any other countries. - --- Ian Calder wrote: > >> speaking of manscape...does anyone else have the > cd version in the cardboard > sleeve with poster inside? the only copy i've ever > seen is mine.<< Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:16:01 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cutting the Manscape > Wow, I relly like Children of Groceries -- in fact, > only You Hung your Lights ranks higher in my view of > Manscape! > > I agree about Morning Bell, though -- I've never > liked > that track. Hung Your Lights is my fave on this album too - with Patterns of Behaviour and Small Black Reptile. The track I hate the most? Torch It. I could never understand why people liked this one. IMO Graham sounds too posh to get away with the angry (er) young man thing. And the drum program is pants on it too. Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:22:41 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Japanese CD's When I worked in retail it seemed as though all the Japanese CD singles were 3". Is the Manscape one? On translations...I recall the Cocteau Twins being interviewed somewhere and they mentioned that their Japanese company wanted to include their lyrics with their Japanese pressings but the Twins wouldn't allow them the lyric sheets. So the Japanese company went ahead and translated them anyway. Needless to say they struggled. Liz Fraser thought that the finished articles were most amusing. John - --- Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > > Why are the Japanese CD releases so much better > (bonus tracks, sleeves, > > etc.) than those released in Europe/US? > > > > Well, my theory is because they're more expensive. > A typical CD in Japan > is 3059 Yen. That works out to about $27.34 U.S. > Compare that to #13.99, > which is about $20.29 U.S. Also, there's a large > selection of bootlegs > available from Taiwan that forces the Japanese > labels to include extra > tracks to justify paying the higher non-bootleg > prices. > > That's my theory anyway. > > Cheers, > Paul Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:33:49 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cardboard Manscape I never knew they even did the post it notes and mug. I suspect that these were given out to shops by Platinum reps. I have a 3/4 additional set of the IBTABA postcards sent to our sales office from Mute. God only knows why they didn't send us the whole set. I recall Mark Smith getting pissed off with Phonogram for giving out promo Cadbury's Cream Eggs for the Free Range single. John - --- PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > To change the subject. I actually, somewhere, have > some "Eardrum Buzz" > post-it notes that someone gave me when the single > first came out. I > just wish I could remember where. > > -Rob- > ///// what a classic piece of silly merchandise , > wish i had one. > incidentally , nobody was prepared to pay $15 for > the "a bell is a cup" > promotional mug on ebay....p Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:41:33 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] digital firsts I was a anarcho commie luddite punk when CDs first came out and resisted them until I lived in a house where there was a player in the living room. I bought a couple of import CDs from HMV in Coventry - Sly and the Family Stone collection and Husker Du's Warehouse. Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:54:21 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire on gemm Wasn't In The Pink the one that came out on Dojo records (part of Castle Communications)? If it was it was the one with the worst Wire cover ever. John - --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Giluz, > > It was a compilation made in the mid-80s, when EMI > was prepared to licence > out the Harvest stuff. Came out after Wire play Pop, > which was a singles > compilation. In the Pink takes stuff from the albums > too though I don't > actually have a copy. > > Mark > > << In The Pink - LP >> Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:54:42 +0000 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: [idealcopy] OT RADIO3 Hi, I think it's tonight. Or it could have been yesterday. Radio 3 - Late Junction - 10:15pm ish An interview with Simon Raymonde and Robin Guthrie from Cocteau twins. Chris. The Information in this communication is confidential and may be privileged and should be treated by the recipient accordingly. If you are not the intended recipient please notify me immediately. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose its contents to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:25:28 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire Play Pop > Wire Play Pop is still the > only place I have the single version of Outdoor Miner with the sublime > piano solo over the crunchy oohs - total bliss, just thinking about it ... You might want to check out On Returning sometime. The single version is on there, too. It's a pretty good compilation overall. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:35:48 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Japanese CD's > When I worked in retail it seemed as though all the > Japanese CD singles were 3". Is the Manscape one? > I don't know - I don't have any Japanese editions. My U.S. Life In The Manscape single was a 5" CD. As is my limited edition, promo only "Drill - In Every City?" CD single. But, my Silk Skin Paws (U.S.), Kidney Bingos (U.S.), Eardrum Buzz (U.S.) and In Vivo (UK) CD singles were all 3" if that helps any. (^_^) (Okay - I'm bragging. But, just a little. Sorry - couldn't resist.) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:53:56 -0800 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Japanese CD's I think that for the most part, the 3in Japanese CD is the equivalent of the 7in single, with the 5in CD being the 12in equivalent. In the case of Wire, the Manscape CD is 5in... in a double CD case as stated before, though this is not automatic... Stereolab and Lush have had 2CD editions with a 3in CD as the extra CD in the 2CD case. I do not think that it happened with Wire, but at least with New Order, there are two releases with a 3in and a 5in CD issued (Blue Monday 1988 and Touched By The Hand of God), and the 3in CD is a two track issue with the 7in mixes/tracks. hope this helps, - -f. PS yeah, Paul, but how about that "etched" Manscape promo???? ;-) At 10:35 AM 1/11/01 -0800, Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > > When I worked in retail it seemed as though all the > > Japanese CD singles were 3". Is the Manscape one? > > > >I don't know - I don't have any Japanese editions. > >My U.S. Life In The Manscape single was a 5" CD. As is my limited edition, >promo only "Drill - In Every City?" CD single. > >But, my Silk Skin Paws (U.S.), Kidney Bingos (U.S.), Eardrum Buzz (U.S.) >and In Vivo (UK) CD singles were all 3" if that helps any. (^_^) > >(Okay - I'm bragging. But, just a little. Sorry - couldn't resist.) > >Cheers, >Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:58:11 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire Play Pop/On Returning Paul, << You might want to check out On Returning sometime. The single version is on there, too. It's a pretty good compilation overall. >> Never understood why they left Map Ref off On Returning. I can't think of any reason why even the most stupid EMI exec would do that, and I can't imagine Wire are that wilfully perverse? Anybody know? Kevin? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:03:01 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #7 John, In practice this wan't the case. Mine came from Our Price. I remember taking teh standard version to the counter and them giving me a cardboard version. As you know Our Price only employs teenagers who have been lobotomised, and this particular specimen also put the (empty) jewel box of the standard Manscape in the bag. So I have an empty Manscape CD box, as well as the Cardboard version (and the Japanese double...) Mark << From what I remember of my Rough Trade days the cardboard version was meant to be a limited edition only available to Chain With No Name shops (i.e. independent retailers with established records of being able to shift obscure stuff.) As sometimes happens in these instances (think of how 'rare' Outdoor Miner is on white vinyl) the limited edition is probably more generally available in the UK than the version in the normal plastic case. I have no idea if the card version with poster was released in any other countries. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:08:22 -0000 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cutting the Manscape - ----- Original Message ----- From: John Roberts . The > track I hate the most? Torch It. I could never > understand why people liked this one. IMO Graham > sounds too posh to get away with the angry (er) young > man thing. And the drum program is pants on it too. I like Manscape. But I agree that Torch It is overrated. One review I saw described that track as somewhat flaccid. I'd agree, and tended to skip it when I used to play it a lot. far and away my favourite tracks are What Do You See and You Hung Your Lights/Craftsmans Touch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:48:15 -0000 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] (ChrisRay's)digital firsts(and most recent - ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: [idealcopy] [ot] digital firsts > Arab Strap - Elephant Shoe Coincidence, the above was also the last CD I acquired (Christmas present), until about four hours ago. What do you reckon? High quality in my view, but like Philophobia, it becomes tough going if listened to in one go. The 'four hours ago' latest purchase was The Salesman and Bernadette by Vic Chestnut (with Lambchop). (tenuous Wire link; I saw Lambchop at the RFH in September - much better seats than for Wire. Fantastic gig). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:27:24 -0000 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Amazing Free Offer ? - ----- Original Message ----- From: > > In practice this wan't the case. Mine came from Our Price. I remember taking > teh standard version to the counter and them giving me a cardboard version. > As you know Our Price only employs teenagers who have been lobotomised, and > this particular specimen also put the (empty) jewel box of the standard > Manscape in the bag. So I have an empty Manscape CD box, as well as the > Cardboard version (and the Japanese double...) > > Mark > I bought 154 originally on vinyl with the free EP. The quality of the vinyl was pretty ropey. Imagine my surprise when a few years later I bought Dome 2 from a second-hand record shop and found that, oddly, there was a copy of the same EP contained within. Unfortunately the quality was pretty poor again. But I have two vinyl copies! And I only need one! If it'd make anybody happy, and they're genuine about keeping it, and don't already have a copy let me know and I'll send it. I've no idea how attractive an offer this will be so I'll have to say first come first served ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:39:00 -0500 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Firsts, leasts, cardboard & looking for a thread OK--Ill pipe in. My first CD I got was Enos Thursday Afternoon because is was a CD-only issue and I was afraid it might go out of print quickly. I didnt get a player for two or three years. Favorite first cut on a Wire album?--Cant beat Reuters for full-throttle pagan power! I got the It Seems CD when it came out and was disappointed enough that a track was missing--particularly in those days of Bonus CD Tracks-- that I wrote a whiney letter to Enigma and they very nicely sent me a replacement copy of the CD with the additional track. Not a favorite but it had to be heard. Manscape is my least fave Wire album--as it is for many of us--but that doesnt stop me from having it in three versions: the cardboard sleeve, import LP and regular CD, not to mention the single. Looking for a thread? How about this: assuming, of course, that Wire always give their best effort, and in a spirit of critical goodwill, what is it about this one that so many find disappointing? One of my favorite things about Wire for me has always been the compelling and unique sound textures they use; but it all sounds out-of-the-box here. Thing #1. Others? Or have we already covered this already? (We could make a list.) Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:52:53 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Si tu attends: Envy-inducing rarity Clean forgot I had this when the topic came up.... a copy of a US magazine called Reflex which contains a flexidisk of Si tu attends. It was given away because it had been missed off the CD. The mag dates from August '88 and Wire are on the cover....there's also an interview with Colin about his solo stuff. The flexi is still stiutched in to the mag, and has never been played (as I had STA on vinyl). The other side of the flexi is a Devo track. BTW my It Seems CD, which is a US cutout, is a "three-dot" edition... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 03:47:30 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cutting the Manscape The track I hate the most? Torch It. I could never understand why people liked this one. IMO Graham sounds too posh to get away with the angry (er) young man thing. And the drum program is pants on it too. //// it was never my fave either but it made quite a good encore on the manscape tour. and it was the only manscape track that got enough votes to get on the a list cd so i guess a few people must've liked it.p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 03:49:58 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire on gemm << Wasn't In The Pink the one that came out on Dojo records (part of Castle Communications)? If it was it was the one with the worst Wire cover ever. ///// yep , must've had a budget of about #15....... p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 04:03:15 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Si tu attends: Envy-inducing rarity anyone ever played the devo track on that reflex flexi? i bought the mag but didn't have the heart to rip out the disc. i've got si tu attends elsewhere but i quite like early devo and that track isn't readily available as far as i know... p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 01:23:42 -0800 (PST) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] fave 2000 releases Here's my 10 Fave releases from 2000 a la The Wire (in no particular order): VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR - THE BOX: 1968-1978 4CD box set from Peter Hammill and cohorts. One of the heaviest bands ever, and still one of Britains best songwriters. FAUST - THE WUMME YEARS 1971-73 Digitally remastered to prstine clarity with unreleased tracks. Still as funny, noisy and powerful as ever. PAN SONIC - AATOPIIRI Finnish duo show they still have some different colours to apply to their sonic palette. BIG YOUTH - NATTY UNIVERSAL DREAD 1973-79 3CD set from Jah Youth. Classic DJ reggae with excellent sound and presentation from Blood and Fire posse. SCANNER - DIARY Tour CD of live moments. Warm and luxurious and occassionaly mysterious. Like tucking up in bed... with a stranger. BRIAN ENO - MUSIC FOR CIVIC RECOVERY CENTRE Installation CD from South Bank Sonic Boom show. The Godfather of Ambient still at his best. HAROLD BUDD - THE ROOM Back to basics with piano to the fore. Another future classic. SOUPSONGS LIVE - THE MUSIC OF ROBERT WYATT If anyone had said that Roberts songs could be equalled by others I'd have laughed. I'm really pissing myself at this one. Excellent. OCSID - OPENING SWEEP Well, I would wouldn't I? But this is a great impressive slab of noise at its best. AMELIA CUNI - ASHTAYAMA: SONG OF HOURS Indian Dhrupad singing from Italian diva. Brings the ancient tradition up to date within new sonic settings without losing site of its roots. Sublime. There are more, but these are the first ten that came to mind and have been on my CD deck more times than others this last year. ===== kevin eden wmo, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk wmouk@yahoo.com http://wiremailorder.com/ "dreams that money can buy" Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #11 ******************************