From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #10 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, January 11 2001 Volume 04 : Number 010 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] [ot] digital firsts [jasonmb@calweb.com] AW: [idealcopy] [ot] digital firsts [Woerner Frank ] FW: [idealcopy] It seems ["giluz" ] [idealcopy] Re: various recent threads [Howard Spencer ] [idealcopy] Wire on gemm ["giluz" ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire on gemm [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Wire on gemm [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Digital Firsts [Joseph Silber ] Re: [idealcopy] It Seems on CD [BillyD ] Re: [idealcopy] It Seems on CD [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] It Seems on CD [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] OT - Merzbow & Porridge [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= ] Re: [idealcopy] It Seems on CD [eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang)] Re: [idealcopy] Re: It Seems sticker [Andrew N Westmeyer ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 02:44:11 -0800 From: jasonmb@calweb.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] digital firsts I have to say, this was a great idea for a thread. It's surprising how many times the same titles come up. I grew up during the CD era and can't remember what my first discs were, but since I've only had my current (mature) music taste for about 4-5 years, the earlier CDs I bought don't count anyway. :) The one that really started it all for me, eventually leading to Wire and countless other bands, was New Order's Substance, bought in '96 or '97... does that count? - -- Jason Borchers jasonmb@calweb.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:21:12 +0100 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] [ot] digital firsts My first two were David Sylvian - Brilliant Trees Psychedelic Furs - ..cant remember the title .. ... and had already hundreds of vinyl albums then ... regards, Frank ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 04:23:28 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] It seems " So it's confirmed! There are versions out there! And they sound quite nice, so I am not sure what the "mastering problems" refer to... " The mastering problems were not due to the sound, but the fact (already noted on this list) that a fair proportion of the US-version of It Seems lacks the additional track, Si Tu Attends. IIRC, the Euro-release had no such problems. I've got one of the dodgy US ones... Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:58:17 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: FW: [idealcopy] It seems > The mastering problems were not due to the sound, but > the fact (already noted on this list) that a fair > proportion of the US-version of It Seems lacks the > additional track, Si Tu Attends. > > IIRC, the Euro-release had no such problems. I've got > one of the dodgy US ones... It's not worth getting, unless you're a collector who's gotta have everything. Si Tu Attends is probably the weakest track on It Seems. I didn't even know it existed until I bought the CD, 'cause it wasn't on the vinyl version, and when I did get it I thought it was quite redundant. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:16:47 +0000 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: various recent threads I have a cardboard Manscape, albeit one undefaced with penises by Edvard Graham. There were dozens of them (CDs, not penises) going for 3 or 4 quid in a discount record shop in High Holborn (London) in about 1993 (around when I bought my CD player - first CD might have been 456 by The Grid, but my memory is worryingly bad on this). Morning Bell and Children of Groceries are two of my favourite Manscape tracks - the ones I could probably do without are Torch it and Sixth sense. I agree that the extra tracks on Life in the Manscape are nothing special, but `It can't be true can it?' I'm quite fond of - the only Wire track (as I think I have mentioned before, to yawns of enthusiasm) on which three of them sing - or growl, in Bruce's case. CD versus vinyl - until recently I only had 154 on vinyl, and have always inadvertently played it the 'wrong' way around, making the opening track (and as such my favourite opener) 'A mutual friend', and leaving 'On returning' to round things off. Much better this way round, IMO. Recently picked up the CD in HMV for a fiver - I make it a rule not to repurchase things I already have on vinyl unless I see a real billy billy bargain - on this basis I have the first letter and Bell is a..., each for 4 quid. Recently declined paying 7 quid for the Ideal copy on CD - does this make me the tightest monkey on the list?! Are any London-ish based listers thinking of going to Japanorama thing (Japanese underground stuff) at QEH next Weds? Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:57:40 +0000 From: Chris.Ray@medas.co.uk Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: various recent threads >>Recently declined paying 7 quid for the Ideal copy on CD - does this make me the tightest monkey on the list?! And I thought I was bad. I've been hurt too many times so now I don't really have the guts to pay more than #10 for a CD. Are any London-ish based listers thinking of going to Japanorama thing (Japanese underground stuff) at QEH next Weds? Looks like a good evening. I'm missing this but will at A Silver Mount Zion (Godspeed spin-off), Union Chapel, 220101. Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:18:28 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] It Seems on CD I just made a quick search and found the "It Seems" CD on http://www.gemm.com/. Actually there are 4 copies, prices going from $16.00 to $26.00. Check it out. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:34:01 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire on gemm Been browsing further Wire releases on http://www.gemm.com/ and found some weird stuff. If anyone know something about these, please tell me: In The Pink - LP Selves - EP - USED 1986 They Do a Cover of "Feeling Called Love", in Case Any Wire Fans are Wondering who this is? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:35:08 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire on gemm Giluz, It was a compilation made in the mid-80s, when EMI was prepared to licence out the Harvest stuff. Came out after Wire play Pop, which was a singles compilation. In the Pink takes stuff from the albums too though I don't actually have a copy. Mark << In The Pink - LP >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:06:49 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire on gemm << Been browsing further Wire releases on http://www.gemm.com/ and found some weird stuff. If anyone know something about these, please tell me: In The Pink - LP Selves - EP - USED 1986 They Do a Cover of "Feeling Called Love", in Case Any Wire Fans are Wondering who this is? ///// for a time the EMI lp's were deleted and some compilations appeared. there was a nicely packaged german one called "and here it is again" (i've got this , it has a great cover). there were also 2 fairly cheap ones , "wire play pop" had about 7 tracks and "in the pink" was a full-length lp. none of these had anything particularly interesting , "on returning" blows them all away.p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:34:26 -0800 (PST) From: Joseph Silber Subject: [idealcopy] Digital Firsts Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:59:19 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hindman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [ot] digital firsts > not that we need another ot thread but anyways... <<<>> Maybe pedestrian, maybe not, but all 4 of those have been through my record and CD collections (which are rather fluid sometimes). All of these are known for being experimental while still being accessible pop. One could say that a peak for JM Jarre is a slight hilly bit in the park for our heroes, nonetheless it was some pretty cool stuff. And I still remember the chills I got when I figured out what was being said at the end of the song One of These Days. Creepy cool. I was about 11 when my older sister brough home The Lamb, sat me down with headphones and played the Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging. Also a very chill-worthy experience. That's mein dwei pfennigs on the matter. Oh - my first CDs - Dead Letter Office by REM (with Chronic Town) and Bring On The Night by Sting (not sure why). Pink Flag was about a year later after I head REM's version of Strange. - - - - - - - - - It's no fun being an intellectual by yourself... 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Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:26:17 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It Seems on CD ///// gemm is a useful way of sourcing stuff you really want , but its really expensive. is that "come back in 2 halves" bootleg still on there for $75?.....nuff said.you'd get an it seems cd for $5 - 10 and a vinyl CS for the same on ebay. further dumb question ; does the commercial suicide cd have lyrics and the "10 famous belgians" pictures. which are something everyone should have :-) p << I got a sealed copy a few months ago at half.com for around $8.00. Cheers, Billy - --- giluz wrote: > I just made a quick search and found the "It Seems" > CD on > http://www.gemm.com/. Actually there are 4 copies, > prices going from $16.00 > to $26.00. Check it out. > > giluz ===== ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:44:47 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It Seems on CD Paul, << the "10 famous belgians" pictures. which are something everyone should have :-) p >> Rino Christ is my fave... Best musician's name. Ever. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:18:49 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Merzbow & Porridge I wasn't too sure about a merzbow / orridge collaboration, as Orridge hasn't done anything very interesting in years, at least not stuff thats reached these ears. Anyway i spotted the Cd for a fiver & at that price you can't really go wrong! I'm not the biggest Merzbow afficionado, but I've never understood the criticism that all his stuff sounds the same. The 5 CD's & several compilation appearances I have are all quite different but do have an instantly recognisable signature. This one is no exception. Orridge recorded his out-sane rants & chants in praise of the grotesque then passed them on to Akita for noise domination. So his voice gets mashed through distortion on much of it, although his texts are included to check if it gets too indecipherable. There are some quite long solo spots of Merz-noise on the five long tracks and Akita chucks in some simple beat loops which usually fracture into total distortion eventually. So if you like Merzbow in general then this is worth checking out, although for Orridge fans you'd probably have to reverse to the first 3 Throbbing Gristle albums to hear anything as noisey. The packaging is quite pleasant, and Mr Orridge looks so lovely in his fluffy bra & lipstick & blonde bob how can anyone resist? :-) Actually, Merzbow isn't totally off topic, since he performed at Disobey between DJ Beekeeper swarms. Lock up your hats! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine webzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:46:45 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [idealcopy] Re: It Seems sticker >I misremembered: no sticker. It's just that "Si Tu Attends" is listed as >the final track but does not appear. (I thought maybe the title was French >for "Nutopian International Anthem"...) > Okay - here's the deal. If you have the american Restless/Crammed editions you may or may not have the Si Tu Attends track. You can tell by looking at the inner CD matrix printing. The CD jewel boxes are identical, as are the CD matrix numbers. However, there is a cluster of small dots. If you have two dots, the track is missing. If you have three dots, the track is there. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:47:53 -0800 (PST) From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] It Seems on CD <> Yep, sure does! ES ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:07:18 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew N Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: It Seems sticker Excerpts from mail: 10-Jan-101 [idealcopy] Re: It Seems st.. by Paul Pietromonaco@wrq.co > Okay - here's the deal. If you have the american Restless/Crammed > editions you may or may not have the Si Tu Attends track. > > You can tell by looking at the inner CD matrix printing. The CD jewel > boxes are identical, as are the CD matrix numbers. However, there is a > cluster of small dots. If you have two dots, the track is missing. If > you have three dots, the track is there. Or you can tell by playing the CD. :) (A)ndrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty "Years of dealing with your kind has taught me patience." -Cecil Adams ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #10 ******************************