From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #8 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, January 9 2001 Volume 04 : Number 008 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] OT Big In Japan ["Wilson, Paul" ] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #7 [Ian Calder ] RE: [idealcopy] Idealcopy Music Project ["giluz" ] [idealcopy] IBM news [kevin eden ] [idealcopy] ibm (2) [kevin eden ] [idealcopy] Cutting the Manscape [Wireviews ] Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: [ot] pink ["dMc" ] Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Japanese CD's ["giluz" ] Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [idealcopy] Japanese CD's ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] Japanese CD's [fernando ] Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Cardboard Manscape ["Andrew Lumbard" ] Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape ["Stephen Jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Impressive Beginnings and Sloppy Journalism ["ian barrett] Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape ["ian barrett" ] RE: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:10:05 -0000 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: [idealcopy] OT Big In Japan There was a compilation CD came out a few years ago called "Zoo - Uncaged". It featured nearly all the tracks from the two Big In Japan EP's, as well as Teardrop Explodes, Echo, and other Zoo singles. A pretty good album on the whole. It still gets played occasionally. I once had a request played on John Peel - and he played what I asked for - "Nothing Special" by Big In Japan. If anyone is desperate to hear this album - drop me an email. The Pink Military album was re-released in conjunction with Virgin - I picked up a copy a few years back for less than a quid! As to best opening of an album - I'll have to try a few this evening. Got a sneaky feeling it might be "The First Letter", but I'll go through the rest, just to check! Paul (rezmole) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:31:18 +0000 From: Ian Calder Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #7 >> speaking of manscape...does anyone else have the cd version in the cardboard sleeve with poster inside? the only copy i've ever seen is mine.<< I have this item too, I'm a sucker for nice packaging, and it's a nice little arty package. It was the first CD I bought. In fact, I had to buy a CD player to play it! (#149 from Curry's, I think it was). You could say then that it was because of Wire that I finally waved the white (not pink) flag and succumbed to the CD as opposed to vinyl thing. And all because 'Manscape' had those non-vinyl tracks. Well, there we go, that's devotion for you. Didn't stop me buying the vinyl version too though! I don't think it's all that elusive to find, I've seen new copies for sale not too long ago (i.e. the past couple of years) in major record stores (always stands out in the Wire section because of its smaller size). Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Aktivitaet Online (Unofficial Kraftwerk fan pages) http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/aktivitaet/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:44:47 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Idealcopy Music Project > For us latecomers, what exactly is the Idealcopy Music Project? After we found out that there are lots of musicians on this mailing list, someone came out with the idea of doing a musical project. This was debated at length but nothing came out of it as yet. The basic idea was to exchange files via the net. Stephen Jakcson e-mailed me a drum track which could be used as a basis for anything, really, and I uploaded it to my myspace.com folder on the net. No-one did anything about it as yet (including myself), so here's the message again: "Steve Jackson was kind enough to send me a short drum take of his, which could be the start of our music project. It's a 725 kb mp3 file. In order to download it, you can: 1. goto www.myspace.com, login: wire, password: same_but_different, and download the file "Copy of Feet (drums).mp3". 2. I can e-mail it direct to anyone interested, if you don't have java installed, don't want or can't install any helper applications that are necessary for the usage of myspace.com sites. So mail me if you want this sent via e-mail" As for the way things should be managed, there was an intense debate about this, but it's kinda tiring and I couldn't be bothered to find the relevant quotes: Let's just say that everyone can do whatever one wants and once we have a start we could talk about how to do it properly. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:47:09 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Idealcopy Music Project > Other than that, I have been playing around with a > looping program called Fruity Loops Pro and can save > wave files of loops, but they are only about 2 seconds > long :( I think I'm missing an obvious feature, but > haven't found it yet. I heard that FruityLoops was quite good, but never had the chance to work with it. I think the best PC music software for loops is Sonic Foundry Acid - a really amazing piece of work. You should check it out. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 04:14:09 -0800 (PST) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] IBM news IBM will be performing at the Pompidou Centre, Paris on 18th January 2001 to celebrate the final release of the LP/7" 'The Oval Assembly" ===== kevin eden wmo, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk wmouk@yahoo.com http://wiremailorder.com/ "dreams that money can buy" Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 04:19:35 -0800 (PST) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] ibm (2) it's called 'The Oval Recording' - not 'The Oval Assembly'. It is a combined LP and 7". Available from Mego, These Records, Rough Trade or other suitably clued up outlets. WMO (UK) will not be stocking this item. Check with WMO (US) for North American details. ===== kevin eden wmo, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk wmouk@yahoo.com http://wiremailorder.com/ "dreams that money can buy" Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 04:39:40 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Cutting the Manscape Paul R wrote: the ones i'd cut off that album are "children of groceries" and the one with the lyric "the shit behind the teeth" Wow, I relly like Children of Groceries -- in fact, only You Hung your Lights ranks higher in my view of Manscape! I agree about Morning Bell, though -- I've never liked that track. Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. Snub.Comms: http://welcome.to/snub Veer Audio: http://listen.to/veer - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:23:23 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape Yep. And the Japanese double (with the three extra tracks from the Life in the Manscape single) Mark << speaking of manscape...does anyone else have the cd version in the cardboard sleeve with poster inside? the only copy i've ever seen is mine. >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:19:49 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape how was that japanese manscape packaged then? p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:04:39 -0600 From: "dMc" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: [ot] pink ah those were the days - not to mention Vicious Pink Phenomenon and the Pink Faieries nowadays we get Pink - who makes me sick ;) > the list members seem to have more in common than anyone thinks ... > I also own PM's album - but - haven't listened to it for years. > Must have been during my "pink" period when I also bought > the Legendary Pink Dots and Kissing the Pink. > Somehow a reminiscence to Pink Flag ...???... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:47:30 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape Paul, << how was that japanese manscape packaged then? p >> In one of those big thick US-style 2-CD cases, with the booklet and poster from the cardboard version, plus a translated CD with all the lyrics in Japanese! It might be an interesting exercise to get a Japanese translator to translate them back to English..... There's no mention of the three extra tracks on the actual cover - just on one of those little cardboard spines that you get on Japanese versions, with the title in Japanese. I have to say, those three tracks are probably my least favourite Wire tracks. I'd gyuess they're pretty much Graham solo tracks?? Bought it in Tokyo, at Wave records, in either 91 or 93... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:11:29 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: [idealcopy] Japanese CD's Why are the Japanese CD releases so much better (bonus tracks, sleeves, etc.) than those released in Europe/US? giluz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:29:17 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > In one of those big thick US-style 2-CD cases, with the booklet and > poster from the cardboard version, plus a translated CD with all the > lyrics in Japanese! who's singing the japanese versions? a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:37:53 -0000 From: "Steve Speight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape Corin? Steve - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Mandel Sent: 08 January 2001 16:29 To: MarkBursa@aol.com Cc: Children Of Groceries Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > In one of those big thick US-style 2-CD cases, with the booklet and > poster from the cardboard version, plus a translated CD with all the > lyrics in Japanese! who's singing the japanese versions? a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:21:54 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape I have to say, those three tracks are probably my least favourite Wire tracks. I'd gyuess they're pretty much Graham solo tracks?? Bought it in Tokyo, at Wave records, in either 91 or 93... Mark ///// oooh you jet setter. i don't think i've ever seen a jap import wire record. for other artists they go for silly money. are cd's expensive out there? i thought i might see some interesting stuff in hong kong but they all seemed to be european pressings (strangely) p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:23:32 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] OT ; mistle thrush ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:24:55 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] OT ; mistle thrush anyone know what these sound like? i keep seeing them in ultra vivid scene sections (kurt produced them). worth investigating? p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:37:57 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape Paul, << ///// oooh you jet setter. i don't think i've ever seen a jap import wire record. for other artists they go for silly money. are cd's expensive out there?<< no, pretty reasonable. I've also got the Jap import 154 CD with the extra tracks (same as behind the Curtain). I guess there's a CM in the same series too.... >>i thought i might see some interesting stuff in hong kong but they all seemed to be european pressings (strangely) p >> HK is really cheap for CDs, and the HMV/Virgin shops in Kowloon are both really good. Agreed, most of the stuff was European stock, but there were some Japanese pressings whcih were the same price as the Euro ones. Stuff that's really expensive here is normal price there. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:39:39 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape > speaking of manscape...does anyone else have the cd version in the cardboard > sleeve with poster inside? the only copy i've ever seen is mine. Yup - I've got it. Picked it up on a trip to England. Bargain priced too, if I remember correctly. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:37:41 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Japanese CD's > Why are the Japanese CD releases so much better (bonus tracks, sleeves, > etc.) than those released in Europe/US? > Well, my theory is because they're more expensive. A typical CD in Japan is 3059 Yen. That works out to about $27.34 U.S. Compare that to #13.99, which is about $20.29 U.S. Also, there's a large selection of bootlegs available from Taiwan that forces the Japanese labels to include extra tracks to justify paying the higher non-bootleg prices. That's my theory anyway. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:46:28 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape > Yep. And the Japanese double (with the three extra tracks from the Life in > the Manscape single) > This is the U.S. Life In The Manscape single, right? I've got it, and mine only has two bonus tracks. Plus, two remixes of Life In The Manscape. Four tracks total. The Japanese double, I think, has the two bonus tracks from the U.S. single plus one other track (It can't be true can it?) that never came out in the U.S. (At least, until Coatings.) Unless the third track is a remix of Life In The Manscape. In which case, disregard everything I've said in this message. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:54:42 -0800 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Japanese CD's The explanation that i have heard is that: [1] Import CDs from the US are still cheaper in Japan than Japanese releases. I went to Tower Records, and notice this, in that a lot of CDs were the US editions. To allure the Japanese buyer to buy the Japanese edition, they include some extra tracks. For the most part, they are b-sides from UK singles. However, in some instances, it is indeed rare tracks or japanese-only tracks. The worst/best offender is Thrill Jockey, where TransAm/Sea&Cake/Tortoise not only get rare gems on the CD (if not outright unique tracks), but they are quite numerous in some cases, or get an entire album released only there. [2] Like in the US, there is a thing with timing on the release of singles relative to the UK (usual) early release, so it makes more sense to break through an artist by including the extra tracks, as it is done here in the US as well. cheers! - -fernando At 06:11 PM 1/8/01 +0200, giluz wrote: >Why are the Japanese CD releases so much better (bonus tracks, sleeves, >etc.) than those released in Europe/US? > >giluz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:04:38 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape Paul, << The Japanese double, I think, has the two bonus tracks from the U.S. single plus one other track (It can't be true can it?) that never came out in the U.S. (At least, until Coatings.) >> Correct. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:44:53 -0000 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: [idealcopy] Cardboard Manscape - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Ian Calder Sent: 08 January 2001 11:31 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #7 >> speaking of manscape...does anyone else have the cd version in the cardboard sleeve with poster inside? the only copy i've ever seen is mine.<< Yep, me too. I didn't think it was particularly unique at the time, though. How about the set of four postcards that came with the Eardrum Buzz 12" ( I think) AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:09:03 -0000 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape >> speaking of manscape...does anyone else have the cd version in the >cardboard >> sleeve with poster inside? the only copy i've ever seen is mine. > >Yup - I've got it. Picked it up on a trip to England. Bargain priced too, >if I remember correctly. Me also. The poster was really nice, until Graham Lewis drew all over it and turned the monument thing into a, errrr, nob. This is true btw..... Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They use the head and not the fist. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:33:35 -0000 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Impressive Beginnings and Sloppy Journalism - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Pietromonaco > > No version of The Ideal Copy begins with Ahead. But the compilation "The A > List" starts with Ahead. It's a compilation, but it's also a Wire album, > so I guess it counts. (Ian? Ian? (^_-)) > Cheers, > Paul > Yep, I was suggesting the first few moments of the first track of the albums (any Wire and solo, etc). But you know, anything that gets us chatting! On the subject of sloppy journalism (re Wire Edinburgh review in NME) this is nothing new. Their original review of 154 inSept '79 referred to the album as 159. Also, the other day I was in a book shop looking at one of those "1000 Great Albums" type books which had a section on PinK Flag. I skim-read the text which had a track listing, and then a mini review, which went on to heap particular praise on 'Sand in My Joints' and 'French Film Blurred'. Maybe I missed something! It's not just the jounalists though. When Wire played at Manchester in 1987 (Stephen Jackson may recall this) just before Graham and Colin came on to do Up To The Sun, Bruce emerged in order to jump (non too gracefully) into the crowd to take photographs of his colleagues; upon his appearance a section of the crowd started chanting "Robert, Gotobed, Robert Robert Gotobed" (football chant style) and this after standing and watching the band for an hour and a half (again, unless I missed something). Worst case of lazy journalism I can think of (apologies to non-football fans) - Leeds United's first game in Division 2 after relegation in the early 80s ended up as a 1.1 draw against Grimsby Town. The following day the Sunday People (tawdry tits 'n' bingo tabloid newspaper) had a match report for a 2.1 Grimsby win, which even described the Grimsby winner and named the scorer. BACK ON TOPIC; Is the song Gravity Worship called Gravity Worship or Gravity Workshop? In a post at the weekend (sorry - can't remember who) it was referred to as Workshop. Coatings lists it as Worship. However, until I bought Coatings (which was the first time I heard the track) I too thought of it as Workshop. Anybody know where this confusion (possibly only on my part) comes from? Ian (big admirer of Children of Groceries) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:41:24 -0000 From: "ian barrett" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape - ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Jackson > Me also. The poster was really nice, until Graham Lewis drew all over it and > turned the monument thing into a, errrr, nob. This is true btw..... > Steve. Bang goes the image of G Lewis as a thoughtful, sensitive intellectual ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 22:07:21 +0000 From: akfirth Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Impressive Beginnings and Sloppy Journalism It's listed as "Gravity Worship" on Coatings, which I thought was a little strange when I saw it, cause on the US Only "Life In The Manscape" CD single, it's called "Gravity Workshop". Strange indeed.... ian barrett wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > > BACK ON TOPIC; Is the song Gravity Worship called Gravity Worship or > Gravity Workshop? In a post at the weekend (sorry - can't remember who) it > was referred to as Workshop. Coatings lists it as Worship. However, until > I bought Coatings (which was the first time I heard the track) I too thought > of it as Workshop. Anybody know where this confusion (possibly only on my > part) comes from? > Ian (big admirer of Children of Groceries) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:11:45 -0800 (PST) From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Impressive Beginnings and Sloppy Journalism << Is the song Gravity Worship called Gravity Worship or Gravity Workshop? In a post at the weekend (sorry - can't remember who) it was referred to as Workshop. Coatings lists it as Worship. However, until I bought Coatings (which was the first time I heard the track) I too thought of it as Workshop. Anybody know where this confusion (possibly only on my part) comes from? Ian (big admirer of Children of Groceries)>> Ian- I have the CD single for Life in the Manscape which lists it as 'Gravity Workshop'. Very interesting as Coatings does indeed list it as 'Gravity Worship'. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:10:19 -0000 From: "Stephen Jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Impressive Beginnings and Sloppy Journalism >It's not just the jounalists though. When Wire played at Manchester in 1987 >(Stephen Jackson may recall this) just before Graham and Colin came on to do >Up To The Sun, After having a fag break IIRC... Bruce emerged in order to jump (non too gracefully) into the >crowd to take photographs of his colleagues; upon his appearance a section >of the crowd started chanting "Robert, Gotobed, Robert Robert Gotobed" I'd forgotten about that. Many drunken Mancunians patting him on the back. Mind you, you can almost forgive the mistaken identity what with BCG having his back to the audience msot of the way thru. One of the best Wire gigs tho. GL was amazing, I got my vinyl copy of D&E signed (I was only 19 at the time) and my mate got a setlist, which strangely had a song listed as "Kidney Lockups"....some bizarre K Bingos/Boiling Boy hybrid? Played ABIACUIIS today. Don't know about best album starts, but i'm always amazed with the start of The Finest Drops...I'm a drummer but I can hardly ever work out that first snare crack...that weird keyboard/guitar start throws me everytime. Steve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They use the head and not the fist. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:39:12 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Impressive Beginnings and Sloppy Journalism It's Gravity Worship on the Japanese album, both printed on the CD and in the Japnese book, which helpfully has the lyrics of the three extra tracks in English too. The key line is: Gravity dictates And worship defies So it's Gravity Worship, not Workshop. Or even Worksop. Mark << It's listed as "Gravity Worship" on Coatings, which I thought was a little strange when I saw it, cause on the US Only "Life In The Manscape" CD single, it's called "Gravity Workshop". Strange indeed.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:58:31 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Impressive Beginnings Paul, << the ones i'd cut off that album are "children of groceries" and the one with the lyric "the shit behind the teeth". >> Morning Bell. I really like that one, not least because Wire were specifically trying to create a song like Timmy Thomas' "Why can't we live together"..... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:01:49 -0600 From: Rob Warnock Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cardboard Manscape Andrew Lumbard wrote: > > Yep, me too. I didn't think it was particularly unique at the time, though. > How about the set of four postcards that came with the Eardrum Buzz 12" ( I > think) > To change the subject. I actually, somewhere, have some "Eardrum Buzz" post-it notes that someone gave me when the single first came out. I just wish I could remember where. - -Rob- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:16:03 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Steve Speight wrote: > Corin? And Glaham... > Of Aaron Mandel > Sent: 08 January 2001 16:29 > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaking of manscape > > On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > > In one of those big thick US-style 2-CD cases, with the booklet and > > poster from the cardboard version, plus a translated CD with all the > > lyrics in Japanese! > > who's singing the japanese versions? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 03:58:41 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cardboard Manscape To change the subject. I actually, somewhere, have some "Eardrum Buzz" post-it notes that someone gave me when the single first came out. I just wish I could remember where. - -Rob- ///// what a classic piece of silly merchandise , wish i had one. incidentally , nobody was prepared to pay $15 for the "a bell is a cup" promotional mug on ebay....p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:17:42 +0200 From: "giluz" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Cardboard Manscape > Yep, me too. I didn't think it was particularly unique at the > time, though. > How about the set of four postcards that came with the Eardrum > Buzz 12" ( I > think) > I got them with the vinyl release of IBTABA. giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #8 *****************************